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Grimreepah
31 Jul 2007, 19:48
Australian Rules Football League of Ireland (http://www.arfli.com/)
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Shane O'Rourke
Link (http://www.hoganstand.com/Meath/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=80703)
O’Rourke among trio to impress AFL Coach
19 July 2007
Meath youngster Shane O’Rourke is among a trio of GA stars which Brislane Lions manager Graeme Allan is planning to pilfer, with Carlow’s Brendan Murphy and Laois’ Conor Meredith also grabbing his attention.
Allan travelled to Ireland last weekend to target possible signings and was impressed with the performances of the trio who could follow in the footsteps of Tadgh Kennelly, Colm Begley, Setanta O’Halpin and Martin Clarke.
Murphy has already discussed a possible move ’Down Under’ with an AFL representative but Meredith and O’Rourke have yet to be approached.
Australian newspapers confirmed yesterday that the Lions’ are targeting O’Rourke as a possible recruit while Carlton are also supposed to be interested in the Simonstown clubman.
“Getting Irish guys in has become all the rage. You can bring in a rookie and you don’t have to go through the draft.
“The Irish guys are ready to play in 12 to 18 months and you don’t have to pay that much for them,” Damien Stafford of the Australian Daily mail said.
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Meath’s Shane O’Rourke
Link (http://au.setanta.com/portal/article/gaa?open&articleid=e40f266ea0faf75f8025731d005bf51f)
Aussie Lions eye Leinster cubs
Carlow minor footballer Brendan Murphy has confirmed that he was approached by a representative of an AFL team after his side's loss to Laois in the Leinster MFC final in Croke Park last Sunday.
Brisbane Lions head coach Graeme Allan is believed to have been in attendance at GAA headquarters to watch the giant 18-year-old.
"I met them alright, but it's only in the very initial stages," Murphy told the Carlow Nationalist newspaper.
The Rathvilly clubman played a starring role for the losing Leinster finalists, kicking two points from play from the Carlow midfield. That performance capped an amazing run for the youngster in the Leinster MFC this year; his virtuoso display in the quarter-final against Westmeath firmly placing him in the public consciousness.
"Brendan is one of the brightest prospects we have had in Carlow for many a day. We would hate to lose him because he is the future of Carlow football," Carlow PRO Tommy Murphy told Setanta Sports.
Rumours have also been circulating that Laois full-forward Conor Meredith has also been attracting the attention of scouts from down under. Meredith scored three goals and a point in the provincial final and would have caught the eye of any potential suitors.
Both youngsters have the physique required for the abrasive nature of Australian Rules Football. Laois has proved a happy hunting ground for the Brisbane Lions in the past, with former senior footballer Colm Begley currently starring for the Australian outfit's senior side.
Current Laois player Brendan Quigley also made the switch to the oval ball code with Brisbane, but returned to his native county for personal reasons.
Meanwhile, former Cork minor hurler Aisake O'Hailpín has made the transition to the senior list for the Melbourne-based Carlton Blues side.
The 21-year-old will join older brother Setanta in the senior ranks for the 2008 season. The Corkman has spent three years on the rookie list at Carlton but he impressed with Carlton's affiliate team Northern Bullants and was due to make his senior debut last month until injury scuppered his plans.
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Link (http://www.worldfootynews.com/article.php/20070720104623288)
Carlow Kid on AFL radar
Tuesday, July 24 2007 @ 01:46 AM EST
Contributed by: Troy Thompson (http://www.worldfootynews.com/users.php?mode=profile&uid=106)
We recently asked who would be the next Martin Clarke? Well it just might be Brendan Murphy. Murphy who plays Gaelic football for Carlow admitted this week that he had discussions with an AFL club representative, and described the talks as ‘very preliminary’. The 18 year old Murphy, like Clarke is another young star of the Gaelic game.
Coincidentally Brisbane Lion’s footy Manager Graeme Allan is in Ireland and Brisbane are believed to be the club involved. Recently Brisbane Lions Coach Leigh Matthew indicated that they were likely to look for more Irish players on the back of Colm Begley’s rapid transition to the game. Begley no doubt would aid the transition of any new Irish rookie to come on board.
What will be interesting to see this year, is whether any sort of recruiting battle ensues or even if clubs unexpectedly draft Irish youngsters from under the noses of other clubs that have been courting them. It has also been rumoured that Laois’ Conor Meredith and Meath’s Shane O’Rourke are high on Graeme Allan, Gerard Sholly and other club recruiters' lists.
Murphy, an electrician, by trade is pictured with this article (http://www.kilkennyadvertiser.ie/index.php?aid=6587), applying his kicking skills for his Carlow side.
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Link (http://au.setanta.com/portal/article/gaa?open&articleid=d22218054d4c291c80257324005c4a0d)
Friday, 27 July 02:52 AET
Carlow minor star Brendan Murphy has confirmed that he will travel to Australia later this year to take up a trial offer with Aussie Rules outfit Brisbane Lions.
Murphy, who starred in Carlow's surprise run to this year's Leinster MFC final, said he is keen to 'give it a go' in Oz.
"They haven't made an offer yet, but they said they'd be in touch and it is likely to be a month's trial around October or November," he added.
If the Rathvilly youngster impresses in the trial, he could be offered a permanent deal at the beginning of 2008.
However, he will see out this campaign with the county minors, who will meet Galway in the All-Ireland quarter-final on Saturday week.
Link (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22163117-23211,00.html)
AFL poachers worry Irish
By Mark Stevens
July 31, 2007
ANGER is brewing in Ireland as AFL clubs step up poaching raids on young Gaelic stars.
Brisbane Lions is leading the charge, approaching towering teenage Carlow midfield player Brendan Murphy.
Murphy has confirmed he is willing to travel to Australia for a post-season trial with the Lions.
Spurred by the instant success of Gaelic convert Martin Clarke at Collingwood, other clubs are also circling.
County Meath stars Shane O'Rourke and Kevin Reilly and Laois full forward Conor Meredith have also attracted attention.
County boards in Ireland are becoming increasingly restless about the threat of losing their best talent.
Poaching is likely to become the hottest issue when the GAA and AFL meet in October - overtaking the future of the International Rules Series.
GAA secretary of County Carlow, Tommy O'Neill, said last night it would be "heart-wrenching" if Murphy was lured to the AFL.
Murphy, a 194cm 18-year-old, is considered the most exciting young talent in Ireland. His loss would be a huge blow to the county, which has a population of only 35,000.
"He's very good. He was in the Leinster Final for us over here a couple of weeks ago and he was best player on the field by a mile," O'Neill said. "He's very slight, but full of skill - left foot and right foot.
"It's one of the downsides over here of guys being so good that they're being looked at. It is heart-wrenching here, because we're small."
Lions football manager Graeme Allan and recruiting manager Craig Brittain recently returned from a talent-spotting trip to Ireland and Murphy is the No.1 priority.
"Yes, we have invited him over to have a look at our facilities and spend some time over here," Brisbane chief executive Michael Bowers said last night.
And the Lions, convinced Ireland is a fertile recruiting ground, is poised to invite others for testing.
"There are a couple of other people we've talked to and said 'you should pop over and say hello'," Bowers said.
Although some in Ireland encourage the Australian adventure, there is growing resistance.
Gaelic football's ruling body, the GAA, does not want recruiting to become a free-for-all with ad-hoc trials and camps.
The Lions narrowly lost Clarke to Collingwood and two years ago lured Colm Begley and Brendan Quigley.
Quigley returned home, but Begley played a part in Brisbane's demolition of Collingwood on Saturday night.
Reilly, 19, is believed to be strongly in Brisbane's sights. He played on Sydney's Barry Hall during last year's International Rules series and is understood to be keen for a trial.
Under AFL rules, clubs can select Irish players as international rookies - as long as they have turned 18.
Sydney coach Paul Roos yesterday predicted recruiting would flourish with International Rules now in recess.
"If the series doesn't go ahead I would say that the wealthier clubs will put a lot of resources into Ireland," Roos said.
The changes in AFL to a more running-style game has opened the door and made it more attractive for the amateur gaelic players, with five already with AFL clubs.
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Right - Kevin Reilly
Grimreepah
31 Jul 2007, 19:59
Link (http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,,22163582-23211,00.html?from=public_rss)
Clubs prepare to raid Irish talent
By Malcolm Conn
July 31, 2007
WEALTHY clubs are preparing for a mass raid on young Irish talent to get around the AFL's restrictive draft and salary cap rules, according to Paul Roos.
Sydney's coach believes that the only thing preventing large-scale recruiting from the Gaelic game now is the relationship between the AFL and the Gaelic Athletic Association.
However, if that relationship breaks down, as it threatens to do, Roos said clubs would feel unrestrained in their attitude to plundering Ireland's talent.
"That's going to be a big debate," Roos said yesterday. "One of the things that has probably stopped teams tapping in to Ireland with a lot of finance is respect for the hybrid game of international rules.
"If that's not going to go on I'd say teams are going to go holis bolis over there and there's going to be a mass approach by all clubs to get all the best kids out of Ireland."
Good Irish recruits are a real bonus for AFL clubs because they do not have to go through the draft. They are simply listed as rookies.
So Collingwood attracted teenage star Martin Clarke, who has made a dynamic AFL debut this season, at what would have been equivalent to about the 120th pick in the draft system.
Yet he is so talented he probably would have been ranked in the top two dozen prospects if he were Australian, a valuable first-round or second-round draft choice.
Collingwood's chief recruiting officer, Derek Hine, who brought Clarke to Australia, said the system created "a fair incentive" for teams to go after Irish players.
Much will hinge on a meeting between the AFL and the GAA in October.
The AFL is keen for the combined international rules concept between Australia and Ireland to continue each October.
However the Irish, who bump but do not tackle in their native game, have become increasingly incensed by what they regard as rough play by the Australians.
So angry were GAA officials following the 2006 series in Ireland, when an Irish player was knocked out after a Danyle Pearce tackle, that they have refused to play in Australia at the end of this season.
Officially the series has been suspended while the Irish look at revising the rules on tackling and physical contact but the AFL has yet to see any proposals.
"It's our view the series is extremely worthwhile," an AFL spokesman said yesterday.
Indeed, the past three two-matches series in Australia, played at Subiaco Oval and Telstra Dome, have been sold out.
And the two largest crowds to watch sporting events in Ireland, 76,000 and 74,000, were both for international rules matches at Croke Park.
"If the series doesn't go ahead I think all clubs, and certainly the wealthy clubs, will put more resources into Ireland," Roos said.
Following the initial impact of Melbourne's Brownlow medallist Jim Stynes and key defender Sean Wight in the '90s, Sydney's Tadhg Kennelly has popularised AFL in Ireland to the point where it is televised regularly. There is strong media interest from Ireland, which has only been enhanced by the impact of Clarke.
Hine claims Collingwood gets a dozen emails a week from Ireland requesting merchandise.
"I'm always being contacted by players from Ireland who want to come out and play professionally in Australia," Hine said.
The biggest difference between the games is that while the Gaelic code, which uses a round ball, is amateur, the average wage for an established AFL player is now more than $200,000 a year.
Brisbane football manager Graeme Allan, who returned from Ireland only last Wednesday after a two-week mission, claimed it was a fertile recruiting ground.
"There are a lot of players over there. What Roosy says is totally right," Allan said.
"Their game is very similar to our game so they're really brought up playing our game. It's not that hard to adjust."
While not all AFL clubs have official involvement in Ireland, Allan believes they will soon.
However Hine warned of attempting to gain instant results with the young talent on offer.
"Family is a very big thing with Irish guys," Hine said. "You have to win the trust of their parents and have to be very aware of the 'go home' factor."
Grimreepah
31 Jul 2007, 20:06
Link (http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=48100)
Irish junior to trial with Lions
12:57 PM Fri 27 July, 2007
By Catherine Murphy
THE BRISBANE Lions' Colm Begley could find himself with Irish company in the not so distant future as Carlow junior star Brendan Murphy has confirmed that he will travel to Australia later this year for a trial with the Queensland club.
Murphy, who starred in his county’s run to this year’s provincial under-18 final, says he is keen to “give it a go” in Australia.
“They haven’t made an offer yet, but they said they’d be in touch and it is likely to be a month’s trial around October or November,” Murphy said.
Should the Rathvilly teenager impress at the trials and decide to pursue an AFL career, his departure from the Emerald Isle would be seen as a huge loss to his county team Carlow, where he has been heralded as the team’s brightest talent for many years.
However, he will see out his side’s campaign in the under-18 championship and will be playing when Carlow meets Galway in the All-Ireland quarter-final on Saturday week.[/COLOR]
Brisbane Lions coach Leigh Matthews confirmed that his club’s recruiting staff had been looking at Irish talent.
“The recruiting people only got back (from Ireland) on Wednesday and we left town last night so we haven’t had a chance to catch up with them… I think there’s a couple of players over there that they’re interested in giving a go to.”
Matthews says the success of Irish players currently playing AFL has given him confidence that ‘the Irish experiment’ is a worthwhile venture.
“Looking at what Marty Clarke’s done this year, you couldn’t believe that someone wouldn’t ever have played our sport and come over a be quite a good player.
“I was amazed at Colm who looked like he picked it up pretty quick but what Marty’s done is unbelievable.”
Grimreepah
31 Jul 2007, 20:35
Link (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/O%C3%A2%C2%80%C2%99Rourke%20senior%20quells%20AFL%20rumours)
O’Rourke senior quells AFL rumours
21 July 2007
Colm O’Rourke has quashed speculation that his son Shane will be following in the footsteps of Tadgh Kennelly and heading Down Under to play in the AFL.
There had been reports circulating that Shane O’Rourke, Conor Meredith and Brendan Murphy would be approached in regard to a possible move to the AFL but the Meath legend was keen to stress that his son was going nowhere.
“It’s all a load of speculation. The recruitment officers are around looking at players but I can tell you now that he is not one bit interested in going down there,” O’Rourke said.
While O’Rourke may not be heading to Australia, one player who could be making the move is Meredith, after the Laois County Board revealed that they would not stand in his way if he chose to go down that path.
“It is a good opportunity and I can’t blame young lads for going, that’s life. We would prefer if he stayed and we would advise him to but it is their life and you can see the opportunity,” said a source within the county.
Grimreepah
31 Jul 2007, 20:52
Link (http://www.kilkennyadvertiser.ie/index.php?aid=6881)
Aussie scouts Carlow's Murphy
Carlow minor footballer Brendan Murphy has met with officials from an Australian Rules club with regards to a possible move down under.
The 18-year-old midfielder has emerged as the latest Irish player to be linked with an AFL club.
An apprentice electrician, Murphy met with representatives from a club, widely believed to be Brisbane Lions as their manager Graeme Allan is in Ireland this week, but admitted that discussions are only in the "very initial stages."
The Rathvilly clubman shone in Carlow's narrow Leinster minor final defeat to Laois at Croke Park last Sunday, with Allan an interested spectator.
But putting concerns over a possible code-switch aside, Murphy has declared himself available for the Barrowsiders' upcoming All-Ireland quarter-final against Galway.
There are currently five Irish players plying their trade in Australia with the group including Sydney Swans favourite Tadhg Kennelly, Carlton duo Setanta and Aisake Ó hAilpín, Brisbane's Colm Begley and Collingwood's rising star nominee Martin Clarke.
Luring young footballing talents from these shores to Australia has become a popular pursuit in recent years with as many as 10 AFL clubs now employing Irish agents.
Gerard Sholly, who played a key role in getting Begley and Brendan Quigley to Brisbane in 2005, as well as assisting in the move of the Ó hAilpíns and Clarke, is also believed to be currently on the lookout for Irish players for Carlton.
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Carlow's Brendan Murphy considering a move down under
Quigley
31 Jul 2007, 22:12
Great effort Grim.
At 194 and skilled off either foot Murphy could be an interesting prospect. Hopefully he likes it and sticks it out. The young irish guys are usually good runners and he might fit in very well with what the coaching staff are trying to do.
Grimreepah
1 Aug 2007, 10:01
Link (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2074&Itemid=103)
HANLEY TO HIT FOR OZ
Mike Finnerty & Edwin McGreal
Tuesday, 31 July 2007
MAYO football is bracing itself for the loss of one of the county’s best young talents after Pierce Hanley was offered a two-year Australian Rules contract earlier this month.
The 18 year old Ballaghaderreen star was approached by scouts from the Brisbane Lions after Mayo’s defeat to Derry in the recent All-Ireland SFC Qualifier.
He is due to travel to Australia in late October, early November to sign up to a two-year deal and told The Mayo News last night that he is excited at the prospect.
“I’ve no final decision made. It’s not guaranteed that I’m going out but it is probable,” said Hanley. “The chance of being a full-time professional athlete is hard to turn down. It’s hard to believe that I will be paid to play football. You grow up in Ireland playing football as a hobby and expect to be working in an office or wherever during the week.
“They [the Brisbane Lions] came to me last Thursday week and it really came as a surprise,” he added. “I was shocked. A coach/scout came from Australia and called to the house and showed me a DVD. I had had no other contact with any club up to that point and I was very surprised when it came along, from nowhere.”
Hanley only made his inter-county senior debut against Cavan last month but caught the eye with his explosive pace and strong-running game.
The Ballagh’ teenager first came to prominence two years ago when touring Australia with the Irish Compromise Rules U-17 team. Hanley was awarded the Ron Barassi medal (for the best player of the series) and was known to have attracted the attention of a number of AFL scouts in the process.
“People had told me after the U-17 tour that clubs would be interested but up until last week I hadn’t heard anything,” he admitted. “I have to sign for the season in November and I might go out beforehand. I haven’t seen the contract yet so I will have to wait until I receive that.
“The prospect of Ballaghaderreen winning a county title was one big thing that made me sit up and think. There were lots of things holding me back. The months I could go out to see what I made of the place were August and October. August would have interfered with the club and in October I’d be missing college. I really want to win a county title with Ballaghaderreen, that would be great to do before I go.”
Grimreepah
1 Aug 2007, 10:10
Junior International Rules Team (http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.gaa.ie/images/unattachedpages/internationalrules/pearce_hanley_-_13.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.gaa.ie/page/international_rules.html&h=120&w=160&sz=4&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=RH49jpiG3ec_kM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=98&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPierce%2BHanley%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3De n%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG)
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Pierce Hanley
(Mayo)
Height: 1.84m
Weight: 78 Kg
Horsebox
1 Aug 2007, 10:15
He's a good bit bigger now. Very strong runner as well.
Grimreepah
1 Aug 2007, 10:28
Link (http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-qqqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=38789-qqqx=1.asp)
Brisbane football manager Graeme Allan, who returned from Ireland only last Wednesday after a two-week mission, claimed it was a fertile recruiting ground.
“There are a lot of players over there. What Roosy says is totally right,” Allan said. “Their game is very similar to our game so they’re really brought up playing our game. It’s not that hard to adjust.”
The development comes as the Brisbane Lions admitted Carlow’s Brendan Murphy is their number one priority after a talent-spotting trip to Ireland.
Allan, who was spotted at the Leinster minor final with recruiting manager Craig Brittain, spent several days approaching rising stars from around the country.
“Yes, we have invited him over to have a look at our facilities and spend some time over here,”
Brisbane chief executive Michael Bowers said yesterday.
And the Lions, convinced Ireland is a fertile recruiting ground, are poised to invite others for testing.
“There are a couple of other people we’ve talked to and said ‘you should pop over and say hello’,” Bowers added.
One of those is Mayo teenager Pierce Hanley who admitted in an interview with the Mayo News yesterday that he had been approached with an offer of a two-year contract by the Brisbane club. The Ballaghaderreen man, who made his senior debut for Mayo against Cavan, could travel to Australia in late October/early November to sign a deal.
“I’ve no final decision made. It’s not guaranteed that I’m going out but it is probable,” said Hanley.
“The chance of being a full-time professional athlete is hard to turn down. It’s hard to believe that I will be paid to play football. You grow up in Ireland playing football as a hobby and expect to be working in an office or wherever during the week.
“They (the Brisbane Lions) came to me last Thursday week and it really came as a surprise,” he added. “I was shocked. A coach/scout came from Australia and called to the house and showed me a DVD. I had had no other contact with any club up to that point and I was very surprised when it came along, from nowhere.”
Hanley won the Ron Barassi medal with the under 17 Compromise Rules team two years ago when he was voted player of the series and has been attracting interest since then.
Pierce Hanley (http://www.cadburygaau21.com/heroes.php?hero=23)
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COUNTY: Mayo
CLUB: Ballaghderren
It's with mixed feelings that I view our poaching of the Irish... On one hand it does seem we're strip-mining the top level of talent out of the Irish leagues, but on the plus side we're offering these guys a chance to earn a very decent paypacket playing a game close to the one they love, as well as improving our team. I can always hope that once they've wrapped up their AFL career they can go back and more than pay back the Irish leagues. :)
It's very reminiscint of the Aussie league stars heading over to England to play at the moment, actually.
I'm with you there. There's rumours of Tadgh going back soon, and I think I read one interview where Colm said he might return home when he's 28 or something.
Since the breakdown in AFL-GAA relations and before international recruiting is regulated, there exists a small window that you can get whoever you like. For me there's no moral right or wrong about this - it's natural that every club seeks to gain advantages wherever possible (and if some clubs decide that looking in Ireland is not in their best interest, so be it), and it's not like these young Irish guys are being forced to leave home at gunpoint. In the above interview Hanley expresses his delight at the possibility of being a professional footballer.
The best young Australian basketballers and soccer players may look to go to USA or Europe respectively to ply their trade at the highest level. To me it's a similar thing - you can't blame people or the system if guys want to explore their options.
Oh, and who else thinks Brendan Murphy in that photo looks like Cameron Wood? There's a certain determination written in those furrowed brows too. ;)
TheBrownDog
1 Aug 2007, 13:20
It's with mixed feelings that I view our poaching of the Irish... On one hand it does seem we're strip-mining the top level of talent out of the Irish leagues...
At the risk of appearing like an evil capitalist... stuff em.
All we're doing is offering these kids an opportunity that the GAA is unable to do.
We live in a global economy now where your skills and talents can be significantly more valuable in other places if you are willing to look.
Can't blame these players for being attracted by the offer of being paid to do what they love.
Grimreepah
1 Aug 2007, 15:19
Link (http://www.worldfootynews.com/article.php/20070801102233929)
Lions in first for Irish Talents
Wednesday, August 01 2007 @ 11:22 AM EST
Contributed by: Troy Thompson (http://www.worldfootynews.com/users.php?mode=profile&uid=106)
Views: 40 It seems that as previously reported here Brendan Murphy will be coming out to check out the Brisbane Lion’s facilities (as Martin Clarke did at Collingwood 13 months ago) after a visit from Gabby Allen recently and confirmed by Brisbane’s Michael Bowers yesterday. Also yesterday it was confirmed in many Irish papers including the Mayo News (Hanley hits for Oz (http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2074&Itemid=39)) that Pierce Hanley has been offered a two year contract to join the Brisbane Lions.
Hanley plays Gaelic football for county team Ballaghaderreen, and hopes to win a title with them this year. Timing looks to be an issue for the gifted youth to come and view the Lions with both the championships and his studies both on when the Lions would like him to come out to Australia. Although he has been offered a contract he is yet to see it, and review for details but he would need to sign up before the National draft. Hanley is also a Ron Barassi medal winner for best player of the series in the Under 17 – International Rules series against Australia.
The Australian media has been focussing more on the Irish recruiting in the past weeks and speaking with the recruiters and gauging the feeling in Ireland. Conversely the Irish media have been reporting the flurry of activity and noting the effect it may have on their game. Yesterday it was widely reported that Sydney coach Paul Roos felt that without the resumption of the International Rules series the recruiting of Irish talent would become even more widespread. A view we have held here for some time – that the International Rules series is really the only bargaining chip that the GAA have at their disposal and that it must resume if they wish to try to stem the tide. The GAA are due to meet the AFL in the US in October. We would also speculate that the trip will allow the AFL delegates to attend the USAFL’s 10th Anniversary National Championships in Louisville Kentucky.
And while it looks like the Lions are the first in to encourage these two Irish youth to come to Australia to play for them, we still wonder if there will be moves by other clubs to come in and offer something more attractive at the last minute?
And while it looks like the Lions are the first in to encourage these two Irish youth to come to Australia to play for them, we still wonder if there will be moves by other clubs to come in and offer something more attractive at the last minute?
Hmm this could be a problem with rival clubs poaching at the last minute. We'll need to hope that Gubby et al have done a good enough job, but also our offer needs to be good enough. Thinking from the Irish lad's point of view, there's plenty of reason to go for a substantially better offer.
The bit about Hanley having been offered a contract but not yet read it - that's a bit strange. I'd make sure he reads it, and if he's keen to come out, for him to sign it soon.
Yeah, it's not like they're getting raided from a tiny African banana economy that could never even contemplate competing for their services -- the Irish economy competes highly effectively with other European nations. Their controlling body has taken a purely philosophical, almost dogmatic approach to it's structure.
That's admirable and I respect the position they're taking, but they don't exist in a bubble. It would be hard to imagine any more than a maximum of three or four ever being at any club, but they'll be the better kids.
TheBrownDog
1 Aug 2007, 19:06
I wouldn't say that the GAA is being merely philosophical or dogmatic with their refusal to go pro.
The current GAA has over 60 teams in the county system, would be very hard to sustain that in a meaningful way if they went pro.
They'll likely end up accepting the poaching of a few elite players as the lesser of two evils.
It's not like you have to flick a switch and turn the whole thing into the NFL. English football has a structure that reaches down into what amounts to small, almost village clubs. Theoretically they are in the same system as Man-U but they obviously operate in a completely different economic universe. Pro Golf is the same in some ways.
I'd imagine the GAA would end up with a scaled down version of that. Larger clubs would would operate with bigger budgets and drift towards the highest division, where they'd be the ones luring players from the smaller clubs in lower leagues.
Grimreepah
3 Aug 2007, 01:24
Link (http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/why-the-roos-are-mixing-it-with-the-best/2007/08/02/1185648060989.html)
One with the lot … and Mayo
THE news that gifted young Gaelic footballer Brendan Murphy is reportedly heading out to the Brisbane Lions for a look-see at the end of the season apparently sent a few ripples of angst through Ireland's 32 counties this week. But in County Mayo, they're fuming about news that their own bright young thing, 18-year-old Pierce Hanley, pictured, reportedly has been offered a two-year deal by the Lions. "The chance of being a full-time professional athlete is hard to turn down," Hanley told the Mayo News. "It's hard to believe that I will be paid to play football. You grow up in Ireland playing football as a hobby and expect to be working in an office or wherever during the week. (The Lions) came to me last Thursday week and it really came as a surprise. I was shocked. A coach/scout came from Australia and called to the house and showed me a DVD. I had had no other contact with any club up to that point and I was very surprised when it came along, from nowhere." Hanley won the Ron Barassi Medal (player of the series) two years ago when touring Australia with the Irish under-17 team.
Horsebox
3 Aug 2007, 07:33
"But in County Mayo, they're fuming..." Very shoddy journalism. Where is the evidence that they are fuming? Are they disappointed to be losing a good young player? Absolutely. But fuming? Gimme a break.
TheBrownDog
3 Aug 2007, 10:22
"But in County Mayo, they're fuming..." Very shoddy journalism. Where is the evidence that they are fuming? Are they disappointed to be losing a good young player? Absolutely. But fuming? Gimme a break.
Well I don't think the journalist actually implied fumes were coming out of their ears. :rolleyes:
AFL may reconsider Irish poaching agreement
THE rule which prohibits AFL teams from recruiting Irish Gaelic players under 18 years of age could be abolished if the International Rules Series is not resurrected.
The GAA and the AFL are due to meet in Melbourne in October to discuss the future of the International Rules series.
High on the agenda is Australia's growing interest in scouting teenage Gaelic talent and its impact on the amateur Irish competition.
The relationship between the two sporting codes will be severely frayed if the International Rules series does not continue.
In the absence of any working relationship, the age limit for a player to be recruited for Australian football could revert back to the standard age limit which is 15-years-old.
This would leave the door open for AFL club scouts to plunder Ireland's most promising, young talent.
The AFL's international scouting rule prohibits the recruiting of players under 15 years of age, but has kept the age limit at 18 in a bid to preserve Ireland's native game and to maintain a healthy relationship between the two indigenous sporting bodies.
"In other countries such as South Africa, for example, players can be scouted at 15 years of age," AFL talent manager Kevin Sheehan says.
"That's the international scholarship rule but it doesn't apply to Ireland.
"Our age limit in Ireland is set at 18 years of age. That's a bit older than our normal draft age. That's the one barrier that we've got in place that players can't be signed until their 18th year and come out in their 19th.
"We're continually trying to work with the GAA because we understand their issues."
The GAA and the AFL plan to meet face to face in October and conduct a complete review of the international series.
Sheehan insists that the AFL is keen to preserve their relationship with the GAA and revive the series.
"We value our relationship with the GAA. We've had a 10-year relationship during which time we've seen the senior teams and the youths play," he says.
"Played in the right spirit, the series is certainly a wonderful spectacle …
"Scouting is an issue that has been discussed at recent meetings and we'd expect that it would again be on the agenda."
The AFL is preparing material to its concerns regarding current recruiting rules and are waiting on a submission from the GAA which includes feedback from past international rules coaches.
"For us to come together and drag together a set of rules is near impossible but we've managed to achieve that given that we've still got a few frustrations. That can happen even in our established codes.
"In Gaelic footy I dare say there are many debates about what's right and wrong in terms of referees' interpretations just like in our own game."
Sheehan believes the violence which marred the 2006 series, and caused the GAA to pull the plug on the hybrid game, is down to a competitive nature and cultural differences.
"In one country a bump to someone's chest can be seen as normal behaviour where as in another country it might be seen as an affront similar to punching someone in the face," he says.
"The teams are playing to win a big game of football, a big game of international sport and sometimes that can bring out, even with the best coaching, some of the things that you've been brought up to do in your own code.
"When you get the clash of cultures, the clash of codes in front of a big audience, it can end in flash points as we saw in the first 10 minutes of that game last year."
In the meantime, Sheehan is hopeful that the two codes can overcome their differences and proceed with the series.
"I think that anyone who's had an association at senior or youth level in Australia or in Ireland with the series would have that view," he says.
"I truly believe that the chance to represent your country is important for players and officials. From that point of view anyone would hope that the issues that have been raised can be resolved."
http://www.afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=48587
danielcanberra
9 Aug 2007, 21:03
Brisbane Lions chase Hanley deal
Wednesday, 1 August 2007 10:42
Mayo forward Pierce Hanley has become the latest young Irish footballer to be linked with a move to an Aussie Rules club.
According to a report in the Mayo News, the 18-year-old star has been offered a two-year contract by AFL outfit Brisbane Lions, the club of former Laois footballer Colm Begley.
Brisbane are also chasing the signature of Carlow minor Brendan Murphy after his display in the recent Leinster MFC final against Laois.
Hanley was approached by Brisbane scouts after Mayo's All-Ireland SFC qualifier defeat to Derry on July 14.
The Ballaghaderreen clubman was Mayo's minor captain last year and only made his debut for the seniors in last month's qualifier win over Cavan.
Hanley is yet to confirm whether he will accept the offer from the Lions but it is anticipated that he will travel to Australia in October or November to meet with club officials and finalise the contract.
'I've no final decision made. It's not guaranteed that I'm going out but it is probable,' he told the Mayo News.
'The chance of being a full-time professional athlete is hard to turn down. It's hard to believe that I will be paid to play football. You grow up in Ireland playing football as a hobby and expect to be working in an office or wherever during the week.
'They (Brisbane) came to me last Thursday week and it really came as a surprise - I was shocked. A coach came from Australia and called to the house and showed me a DVD,' he added.
'I had had no other contact with any club up to that point and I was very surprised when it came along, from nowhere.'
Hanley won the Ron Barassi medal for the best player of the series when he starred for the Irish U-17 International Rules team against Australia two years ago.
He is hoping to guide Ballaghaderreen to a county title before he flies Down Under in the autumn.
http://dynimg.rte.ie/0000f96610dr.jpg Mayo forward Pierce Hanley is being pursued by AFL club the Brisbane Lions
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2007/0801/hanleyp.html
danielcanberra
9 Aug 2007, 21:11
Pierce Hanley can kick
dnOwEEa63EI
Begley believes AFL is a great opportunity
By: Damien Stannard and Terry Reilly
STRADBALLY’S Colm Begley has three words of advice for anyone thinking about taking up a contract with an Aussie Rules side - “go for it”.
The Brisbane Lions player who left Ireland two seasons ago has enjoyed the transition to the new game and his side made the playoff spots for the first time this season with a big win at the weekend.
“It’s a great opportunity,” the energetic Brisbane Lions defender said.
http://www.laois-nationalist.ie/news/story.asp?j=26491
TheBrownDog
13 Aug 2007, 11:26
Begley is going to cop it from the Irish press now.
He's a big boy.
The GAA bluff and bluster a bit, but I actually think the Irish press has been pretty balanced and measured with their commentary. Certainly that article wasn't painting Begley out to be some puppet of the almighty dollar, helping to ensnare poor, innocent Irish youths. The article paints Begs as a success story, and also highlighted another player (Conor Meredith) decided not to take the offer up. If you were scaremongering, or lobbying you wouldn't focus on those kinds of facts.
Generally there seems to be a some sense that they are losing something, but it's also tempered by a bit of pride and satisfaction that their lads came go across the globe and cut it against guys that have been playing the game much longer.
danielcanberra
13 Aug 2007, 12:44
I think it's great.
Colm will be introducing Hanley and Murphy to the finer points of Australian culture in a few months time...
...starting with wearing thongs/flip flops.
(sorry Colm, I couldn't resist that one. At least your family and mates in Ireland will get it :D).
Grimreepah
29 Aug 2007, 17:13
Link (http://afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=50018)
Collingwood eyes Irish target
2:42 PM Wed 29 August, 2007
By Catherine Murphy,
COLLINGWOOD may have company for its Irish recruit Martin Clarke next season, with Kevin Dyas, a talented Gaelic footballer from County Armagh, arriving in Melbourne for a trial with the Magpies.
Dyas is a much sought after recruit, with the Brisbane Lions reported to have also be in the hunt.
The teenager’s friendship with Martin Clarke is said to be the main reason for him picking Collingwood over the Lions. The two have competed against each other at Under-18 level in Ireland.
Dyas already has quite a list of credits to his name.
He represented Ireland against Australia at Under-17 level in the International Rules series and impressed in both Under-18 and Under-21 level competitions, winning the Ulster Minor (Under-18) League in 2003 and captaining the team to an Ulster Championship title in 2005.
Dyas was also in the Armagh Under-21 squad which won this year’s Ulster title. With his club Dromintee he has won Armagh Senior League and Reserve Championship medals in 2005, an Under-21 Championship in 2003 and Under-16 and minor league medals.
His achievements are even more surprising considering he didn’t even start playing Gaelic football until he was 13 years old. Until then he put all of his energy into soccer.
It’s a big loss for his home county as the talented youngster was on the senior county squad and was expected to make a big impact on the team in the coming years.
Link (http://afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=50018)
Dyas on trial at Collingwood club
Kevin Dyas
Kevin Dyas was part of Armagh's winning Under-21 squad
Armagh player Kevin Dyas has travelled to Australia to have a month-long trial with AFL club Collingwood.
A representative of the Melbourne club watched rising star Dyas play for his club Dromintee against Crossmaglen Rangers in the Armagh SFC last weekend.
Dyas hopes to join former Down player Martin Clarke who has proved to be a sensation since joining the 'Magpies'.
The Armagh player also received an offer from the Brisbane Lions but Collingwood is his first choice.
This year, Dyas was part of Jordanstown's Sigerson Cup panel, the Armagh U21 squad which won the Ulster title and Joe Kernan's senior squad.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/6966520.stm
Grimreepah
29 Aug 2007, 18:42
http://i14.tinypic.com/6hgh4qt.jpg
Kevin Dyas was part of Armagh's winning Under-21 squad
The Royal Sampler
29 Aug 2007, 18:45
Fantastic thread guys, great info on here. :thumbsu:
TheBrownDog
29 Aug 2007, 18:49
So which ones are coming out for the trial with Brisbane?
Pierce Hanley
Brendan Murphy
Is that it?
Or is that O'Rourke fella still in the frame?
The Royal Sampler
29 Aug 2007, 18:52
Sounds like O'Rourke's dad was pretty adamant on him staying in Ireland.
Grimreepah
29 Aug 2007, 19:24
So which ones are coming out for the trial with Brisbane?
Pierce Hanley
Brendan Murphy
Is that it?
Or is that O'Rourke fella still in the frame?
At this stage I understand they are the only two, but Kevin Reilly and Conor Meredith have also attracted interest. I believe O'Rourke has stated his intention is to stay in Ireland.
Bobby Beecroft
29 Aug 2007, 19:31
What is the rule regarding the maximum 1 club can have?
It just seems we are connected with every Irishman that gets mentioned.
Grimreepah
29 Aug 2007, 19:47
What is the rule regarding the maximum 1 club can have?
It just seems we are connected with every Irishman that gets mentioned.
I believe clubs are allowed to have two internationals rookies on their list.
notting18
29 Aug 2007, 20:03
I believe clubs are allowed to have two internationals rookies on their list.
Meaning we have two spots open for next year as Colm will definitely be promoted to the senior list at years end.
TheBrownDog
29 Aug 2007, 20:10
Meaning we have two spots open for next year as Colm will definitely be promoted to the senior list at years end.
Nope. Colm is going to Richmond in the PSD.
:(
I hear there's a plan afoot for Carlton and Richmond to split our entire team through the PSD, even those not off-contract.
Grimreepah
30 Aug 2007, 10:33
Link (http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/pies-push-on-with-gaelic-plans/2007/08/29/1188067190238.html)
Pies push on with Gaelic plans
Michael Gleeson | August 29, 2007
COLLINGWOOD'S Gaelic experiment is continuing, with another Irish player arriving in Melbourne yesterday to spend a month with the club.
Buoyed by Irish recruit Martin Clarke's rapid transition, the Magpies have enticed athletic 19-year-old Kevin Dyas to Australia, heading approaches from other clubs, including the Brisbane Lions, for the County Armagh player.
Dyas will spend the month familiarising himself with Melbourne and the oval ball game before deciding whether he wants to commit to attempt a conversion to professional sport in the AFL, and before the club decides it wants to commit to him.
Dyas is not allowed to train with the full group, but will work with development coaches Alan Richardson and Brad Scott.
"We are obviously extremely interested in him, and believe he can make the transition to AFL or we would not be doing what we are doing," Collingwood national recruiting manager Derek Hine said.
"But Kevin has to be comfortable with it also and, like we did with Marty, we think it is important he has this time to adjust."
Dyas is a wiry 181-centimetre prospect likely to develop, according to Hine, into a Paul Kelly-type of build should he commit to AFL.
"He has explosive pace and that lateral movement and spatial awareness that the gaelic players have," Hine said.
"He is a player we have been researching for two years. There is always an element of risk to these things, but we are very confident in Kevin's ability to adapt to our game."
The same age as Clarke and from neighbouring counties - Dyas from Armagh and Clarke from Down - the pair played against one another in club and county games and both represented Ireland in the under-17 international rules series.
Playing for Dromintee, Dyas won Armagh Senior League and Reserve Championship medals in 2005 and an under-21 championship in 2003.
Should the teenager agree to play here, Collingwood would have the right to sign him as a pre-listed international rookie ahead of the rookie draft, which is held the same day as the pre-season draft.
He would then be automatically added as the final selection for Collingwood in the rookie draft.
Like all rookies he would then need to be promoted to the senior list - after a retirement or long-term injury - before he could play senior football.
TheBrownDog
30 Aug 2007, 11:36
Appears we have lost Brendan Murphy.
Murphy Swans Off
By: Terry Reilly
CARLOW minor football star Brendan Murphy will join Aussie Rules team the Sydney Swans for two years.
Murphy returned from a trial with the Swans on Sunday evening. A meeting of the officers of his club, Rathvilly, were told that the teen prodigy will travel out again in November, return home for Christmas, and then join on a 24-month deal in the New Year.
Though Murphy could not be contacted yesterday before
Murphy returned from a trial with the Swans on Sunday evening. A meeting of the officers of his club, Rathvilly, were told that the teen prodigy will travel out again in November, return home for Christmas, and then join on a 24-month deal in the New Year.
Though Murphy could not be contacted yesterday before Murphy (18), who was brilliant for Carlow minors as they reached this year’s Leinster final, is an apprentice electrician and has starred for his club in senior action for the last two years.
County Board Chairman and Rathvilly man Pat Deering wished his club-mate the very best of luck but noted that the news was a major blow for Carlow football.
“Obviously everyone at county and club level would prefer if he stayed, but we hope it goes well for him,” said Deering.
“You would be disappointed that the Australians are recruiting players like Brendan, especially from weaker counties like ourselves.
“We can’t afford to lose players like him, he is one of the very best talents we have produced in a long time.
“But I hope everything goes well for him. It’s an opportunity any young man would be interested in and if he comes back after two years he would still be eligible for the U21s and hopefully he does.”
Rathvilly PRO Declan Clarke echoed Deering’s sentiments and said that while it was a blow for the club, they were all united in wishing their player well.
It would appear that Murphy will be available for Rathvilly’s SFC quest this autumn as he is not due to depart until November.
Meanwhile, the draw for the quarter-finals of that competition has been made.
The tie that stands out is the clash between county champions Palatine and many people’s favourites to depose them, O’Hanrahan’s.
...ire ”g face a tough test against Old Leighlin, while Fenagh and Kildavin/Clonegal face off in a repeat of last year’s quarter-final, with Fenagh favourites to reverse the result on current form. Elsewhere, Rathvilly take on inform Mount Leinster Rangers in a fascinating tie.
Ties are scheduled for decision on September 8/9.
Grimreepah
30 Aug 2007, 11:51
Damn, he was the one that sounded the most promising.
TheBrownDog
30 Aug 2007, 12:05
Damn, he was the one that sounded the most promising.
Its obvious we just aren't meant to draft a kid named Murphy.
Lace Out
30 Aug 2007, 12:55
It seems we are getting our lunch cut on this front...
danielcanberra
30 Aug 2007, 13:29
Damn, wouldn't surprise me if there was a Tadhg factor there.
We need more than Colm to entice them our way. A vat of cál ceannan and Guinness perhaps.
notting18
30 Aug 2007, 15:33
It seems we are getting our lunch cut on this front...
It would be interesting to see what their reasoning is. I would think that we have a few other options though....
Grimreepah
31 Aug 2007, 01:45
Link (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22337025%255E19746,00.html)
Swans nab Irish teenager
31 August 2007 Herald Sun
Mark Stevens
SYDNEY has used the clout of Tadhg Kennelly to help snatch Ireland's most exciting teenager from the Brisbane Lions' grasp.Carlow midfielder Brendan Murphy has agreed to a two-year deal with the Swans.
Only last month Murphy indicated he was keen for a trial with the Lions.
Kennelly, revered in Ireland as an AFL trailblazer, played a key role in convincing Murphy to switch his allegiance to the Swans.
"Tadgh helped us in chatting to Brendan. Having another Irishman to talk to him makes it a bit easier," Sydney football manager Andrew Ireland said last night.
"We're really pleased. Brendan knows he has a lot of work to do, but he has a good attitude and is the type of boy who will work at it."
Murphy, a 194cm 18-year-old, is a freak gaelic athlete with all the attributes to make a smooth transition into AFL.
"It looks like we've missed out on him . . . that's life," a disappointed Brisbane chief executive Michael Bowers said last night.
Spurred by the instant success of Gaelic convert Martin Clarke at Collingwood, several clubs are circling Irish talent.
Angst is continuing to mount, with a growing number of Irish players weighing up offers of a professional career in the AFL.
Poaching is likely to become the hottest issue when the GAA and AFL meet in October - overtaking the future of the International Rules series.
Lions football manager Graeme Allan and recruiting manager Craig Brittain recently returned from a talent-spotting trip to Ireland and Murphy was their No. 1 priority.
Now the Lions have other players in their sights. They were also interested in Armagh 19-year-old Kevin Dyas, who has agreed to a one-month trial at Collingwood.
Murphy, poised to sign as an international rookie, will arrive in Sydney in November before returning to Ireland for the Christmas break. He will return early next year for a full tilt at an AFL career.
Murphy's county board chairman Pat Deering told Ireland's The Nationalist newspaper that Murphy's loss was a major blow.
"You would be disappointed that the Australians are recruiting players like Brendan, especially from weaker counties like ourselves," Deering said. "We can't afford to lose players like him, he is one of the very best talents we have produced in a long time."
TheBrownDog
23 Sep 2007, 13:07
Although we missed the boat on Murphy, I assume Hanley et al are still coming out for a trial next month?
Rookie spots will need to be freed to make way for them if successful...
BigCat2
23 Sep 2007, 13:11
Brendan Quigley quit the club.
Marc Murphy refused to come to us.
So how is a bloke called Brendan Murphy any sort of chance of joining us anyway? :rolleyes:;)
Grimreepah
4 Oct 2007, 04:30
Link (http://afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=52066)
Lions sign promising Irish junior
10:28 AM Wed 3 October, 2007
By Catherine Murphy
THE BRISBANE Lions look set to welcome the arrival of another Irish recruit, with Mayo teenager Pierce Hanley’s team manager John O’Mahony confirming that the talented young player has accepted a two-year contract from the Queensland club.
The Lions already have Colm Begley on their books.
Hanley’s imminent departure is a big blow to his county as, unlike previous Irish recruits, he was already making an impact at senior level and had played a crucial role in the county’s senior football campaign.
Speaking to Irish newspaper the Evening Herald, O’Mahony admitted that although he wished Hanley the best for his future, he couldn’t help but be disappointed at losing the young star.
“As I said so many times, he had a big future ahead of him playing for Mayo. He has come up through the ranks and starred at minor (under-18) and under-21 level,” O’Mahony said.
“You would have been looking forward to him progressing in his career, but that’s on hold certainly. Obviously we wish him the best of luck but he is a loss to us, no doubt about it.”
The news comes just weeks before the GAA and the AFL are due to meet to discuss and revival of the international rules series and the scouting issue.
However O’Mahony, who is one of the highest profile county managers in Ireland, believes there is not much the GAA can do to halt the march of young players Down Under.
“The frustrating thing from a GAA point of view is that they cannot compete with the professional game. It’s not an even playing field.”
notting18
4 Oct 2007, 08:33
That is one over Sydney and Collingwood! I think Hanley can expect to have more of a Begley-like welcome than a Clarke-like over the top orgasmic welcome by media and fans...which is a good thing IMO
danielcanberra
4 Oct 2007, 09:20
So what are we going to nickname him?
"Wayne" Pierce
Pierce "Off"
Pierce "Up"
TheBrownDog
4 Oct 2007, 11:26
"Wayne" Pierce
Pierce "Off"
Pierce "Up"
Broz
danielcanberra
4 Oct 2007, 12:04
Bondy?
007
danielcanberra
4 Oct 2007, 12:05
James
danielcanberra
4 Oct 2007, 12:06
But going by convention of our Haddles, Braddles, etc
I reckon Handles...
ah ha ha ha ha ha...
TheBrownDog
4 Oct 2007, 12:14
But going by convension of our Haddles, Braddles, etc
I reckon Handles...
ah ha ha ha ha ha...
Pierceles.
Pierceles.
Stop Piercing in his pocket
danielcanberra
4 Oct 2007, 17:11
Pierce Off?
TheBrownDog
9 Oct 2007, 16:19
I've heard rumours that we've signed another Irishman (in addition to Hanley).
His name is John O Loughlin and he is from Begley's county of Laois.
Can anyone confirm?
EDIT: According to a GAA Message board, it is a FALSE rumour. Link here. (http://www.hoganstand.com/laois/MessageBoardForm.aspx)
danielcanberra
9 Oct 2007, 16:36
I've heard rumours that we've signed another Irishman (in addition to Hanley).
His name is John O Loughlin and he is from Begley's county of Laois.
Can anyone confirm?
EDIT: According to a GAA Message board, it is a FALSE rumour. Link here. (http://www.hoganstand.com/laois/MessageBoardForm.aspx)
I can confirm* that it is a rumour at this stage. Nothing has been signed yet.
(*in a conversation with the club)
mayofans
9 Oct 2007, 17:07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YstaJ1f7Rj0
Above is a link to Hanley in action. Wearing number 11. Picture quality is poor, the play isn't
Thanks mayofans, top stuff. :thumbsu:
It was a little hard to tell, but which of the plays in that clip were by Pierce? Or all of them? ;)
It must be tough for you guys to lose one of your top prospects, but glad to see you have listed us as your AFL club. I'm sure you'll be following his progress with great interest, as will I. :)
danielcanberra
31 Oct 2007, 11:24
Mayo youngster Hanley joins exodus to Aussie Rules
Friday October 05 2007
JOHN O'Mahony has identified the international rules under 17 series as the chief recruitment ground for the growing number of young GAA players being signed by AFL clubs.
Mayo manager O'Mahony has confirmed that his county's rising star Pierce Hanley has become the latest to pitch for a career in the paid ranks in Australia.
Hanley, who was to undertake a scholarship in DCU, has instead put pen to paper for Brisbane Lions on a rookie contract.
He will link up with Colm Begley in Brisbane and bring to eight the number of ex--GAA stars pursuing professional careers in Australia.
O'Mahony believes the under 17 series, which has been placed in cold storage along with the senior series because of last year's disciplinary chaos, offers the chief shop window for the recruitment drive.
"Much more than the senior series this is the place where talent is most identifiable to Australian clubs because the players are at the age that they want them. Most of the senior players that play the series would be considered too old to cross codes," said O'Mahony.
Hanley was one of the Irish stars of the 2005 series and makes his move just months after breaking into the Mayo first 15.
"No doubt he's a huge loss. There was no pressure placed on him. We sought to advise him but you realise the motivation behind these players when they decide they want to go. It's the chance at a professional sporting life in a nice country."
Earlier this week Armagh's Kevin Dyas confirmed he would be heading for Collingwood where Martin Clarke has already made an impact, while Carlow's Brendan Murphy will link up with Tadgh Kennelly at Sydney Swans.
GAA concerns over the flow of players in the last 12 months are inevitable but there are little or no preventative measures they can take.
The GAA president Nickey Brennan outlined this week that he would be having informal talks with the AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou about the current status of the series. l Andy Shortall has been confirmed as Laois football selector for 2008.
Shortall has agreed to link up with Laois manager Liam Kearns, just six months after stepping down as manager with Carlow.
He left Carlow after a disappointing start to the NFL, a malaise that they didn't recover from for the rest of the season.
Kearns has been in the market for two new selectors since the departure of Sean Dempsey and Tommy Conroy who worked with him this year.
It is understood that the former Laois player Leo Turley was in the frame up to recently but withdrew his interest. Dermot Murphy, a former Laois player, will complete Kearns' backroom team for 2008.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/mayo-youngster-hanley-joins-exodus-to-aussie-rules-1116194.html
So when is Handles getting his own thread?
Grimreepah
31 Oct 2007, 11:37
So when is Handles getting his own thread?
4th October 2007 (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=381922);)
The Royal Sampler
2 Nov 2007, 23:09
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/quigley-rejoins-growing-aussie-exodus-1209579.html
Looks like Quigley is giving it another go, this time with Carlton.
Thoughts?
Grimreepah
3 Nov 2007, 01:02
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/quigley-rejoins-growing-aussie-exodus-1209579.html
Looks like Quigley is giving it another go, this time with Carlton.
Thoughts?
Does anyone know what he was paid for his time at Brisbane? Did he forfeit his salary when he walked out?
Carlton? I thought Brendan said that if he were ever to consider trying AFL again, it would be to Brisbane because Colm's his friend, or something along those lines...
TheBrownDog
3 Nov 2007, 01:53
Carlton? I thought Brendan said that if he were ever to consider trying AFL again, it would be to Brisbane because Colm's his friend, or something along those lines...
Could be quite possible that we aren't willing to give him another go.
He's tearing it up in the GAA, but he had his chance to be a Lion, and wussed out.
He's too old now.
Could be quite possible that we aren't willing to give him another go.
He's tearing it up in the GAA, but he had his chance to be a Lion, and wussed out.
He's too old now.
Good point first up.
But too old at 21? We chased Cavanagh who was 23 IIRC...
Tall athletic player at 21, still plenty of room for improvement.
So how old is hanley? is he going to be on our senior list next year or what?
notting18
4 Nov 2007, 12:26
is he going to be on our senior list next year or what?
He would have signed an "international rookie" contract, so Hanley will only be able to be promoted to the senior list after a long-term injury to a listed player, just like any other rookie.
So how old is hanley? is he going to be on our senior list next year or what?
If Colm can't get on the senior list, no chance Hanley will be - but Hanley will be given time to find his feet as an International Rookie - don't expect too much in the first year - guts like Begley and Clarke are exceptions to the rule - but if he does come on quicker; great - IIRC from an article earlier this year, someone was commenting that Colm was well more advanced than Tadgh after 1-2 years.
I still expect Colm to be elevated by the time the last list lodgement occurs (whenever that is).
So will Hanley most likely just be playing all his games for Suncoast next year?
TheBrownDog
4 Nov 2007, 13:51
So will Hanley most likely just be playing all his games for Suncoast next year?
Yup.
Grimreepah
1 Dec 2007, 15:32
Quigley not joining Carlton... yet (http://afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=53964)
TheBrownDog
1 Dec 2007, 15:53
Quigley not joining Carlton... yet (http://afl.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=53964)
Interesting to see how Carlton are spinning it, as if it was an administration issue. Trying to save some face.
This tells a slightly different story. (http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=3807&ArticleID=3536662)
Grimreepah
1 Dec 2007, 16:10
Interesting to see how Carlton are spinning it, as if it was an administration issue. Trying to save some face.
This tells a slightly different story. (http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=3807&ArticleID=3536662)
Haha, quite a different version there, and is less flattering to both Carlton and Quigley.
notting18
2 Dec 2007, 20:01
Interesting to see how Carlton are spinning it, as if it was an administration issue. Trying to save some face.
This tells a slightly different story. (http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=3807&ArticleID=3536662)
Now who is surprised by that?:p
JimStynes
21 Feb 2008, 10:24
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7255939.stm
This lad is playing great stuff at the minute for his county and university. He played on the same team as Martin Clarke when County Down won the Under 18 All Ireland Championship. This isnt going to go down well in Ireland.
Grimreepah
21 Feb 2008, 10:59
Link (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416275)
McComiskey linked with AFL move (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7255939.stm)
Down youngster Paul McComiskey has become the latest young GAA player to attract interest from an Australian Rules Football club. McComiskey has been offered a trial with the Brisbane Lions which he may take up during the summer.
The Down lad is establishing himself as a key member of Ross Carr's county squad and he plays for Queen's Sigerson Cup team.
His 2005 Down minor team-mate Martin Clarke has already moved Down Under. Clarke has been a huge success with Collingwood in Australia while Armagh player Kevin Dyas has also opted to have a career in the AFL.
Tyrone minor star Kyle Coney also plans to travel to Australia next June for a two-week trial with the Sydney Swans.
http://i30.tinypic.com/4qsfa0.jpg
Paul McComiskey is one of Down's football big hopes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/7255939.stm
This lad is playing great stuff at the minute for his county and university. He played on the same team as Martin Clarke when County Down won the Under 18 All Ireland Championship. This isnt going to go down well in Ireland.
You'd think they'd be used to it by now.
TheBrownDog
21 Feb 2008, 13:37
Bring em on! The more the merrier.
Hope we have someone with a toe in the water in South Africa as well.
rebelcounty
22 Feb 2008, 08:10
At the risk of appearing like an evil capitalist... stuff em.
All we're doing is offering these kids an opportunity that the GAA is unable to do.
We live in a global economy now where your skills and talents can be significantly more valuable in other places if you are willing to look.
Can't blame these players for being attracted by the offer of being paid to do what they love.
To do what they love??
To do what they MIGHT like.
To do what they love??
To do what they MIGHT like.
True. Quite true.
I guess if it came down to making a tidy living out of Gaelic football or AFL 95% of kids would choose Gaelic footy.
But if the decision is something closer to: Continue as apprentice plumber vs. get paid to play and train for a sport, the appeal is there for many of them -- though not all clearly.
Would it be fair to say that virtually all these guys are highly talented, natural athletes who love competition in general -- and it's that 'love' that is being tapped into? I mean, the starting money alone isn't anywhere near big enough to justify moving across the globe on purely financial grounds. There's something more than just the dollar that's sparking their interest.
rebelcounty
22 Feb 2008, 10:01
You'd think they'd be used to it by now.
Try telling that to Ross Carr, (Down manager) or hell even Ulster GAA alone, that's Clarke, Dyas, McComiskey. That's Ulster, one province alone.
(Not mentioning the rest of the)
Nothing to be pissed off about, these players don't grow on trees, we can't just buy in a new player. Now don't get me wrong, it's great to see the lads over there, everyone hopes they're doing well..etc. But like, there has to be some sort of limit.
rebelcounty
22 Feb 2008, 10:29
True. Quite true.
I guess if it came down to making a tidy living out of Gaelic football or AFL 95% of kids would choose Gaelic footy.
But if the decision is something closer to: Continue as apprentice plumber vs. get paid to play and train for a sport, the appeal is there for many of them -- though not all clearly.
Would it be fair to say that virtually all these guys are highly talented, natural athletes who love competition in general -- and it's that 'love' that is being tapped into? I mean, the starting money alone isn't anywhere near big enough to justify moving across the globe on purely financial grounds. There's something more than just the dollar that's sparking their interest.
I could pretty much guarantee that 99% hell ALL of the players over there would be here if the GAA was professional.
It's the same with football as well, off the top of my head I can think of 3 players who would most definatley be playing GAA if it was pro, they've openly said that either hurling or g football is their first love. And that's just off the top of my head, there's loads more.
There is something more to it, I remember I think it was Sean Og (o Hailpin's brother) saying that how he HATED the winter training, training in the pissing rain in Fermoy in the cold nights but he'd do it all just for ONE day in the sun in Thurles, or Croke Park.
You're right. These lads are unbelievable athletes, they're fitter then anyone, any professional players in most sports. Outstanding coordination, thrive when pushed, LOVE the game, that's what everyone plays it for because they are desperately in love with it. I play half a dozen sports and none of them give me the same rush as hurling or football does.
They'll do whatever it takes to do well and fight bloody hard for it because when it comes down to it, because there's no money it's all about the crest, the flag and the parish, and most of these lads would die for their county. The sacrifices they make is I can't even began to explain and all for the love of the game. It's professional in all but name.
Whatever ye say, it's not only about the money, they don't, wouldn't walk away from what, 16 years of hard work for just money and move across the world.
So you wonder why the Irish lads are making it so well and making it look so easy over there, because they are bloody hard workers, and most will make it happen because they wont give you anything less then 110% and they hate to fail and if they do fail it wont be threw the lack of trying. (They're all adrenaline junkies, half of them are anyway) They're being pushed all the time over there, and they're getting paid to train and play the game, a game that they're learning about all the time, what a rush, an adventure.
And there is something special about all of the boys over there, Kennelly is the Horses' son, "bred to be brave," on and off the field that's enough in itself to have great things expected of him and rightly so. Clarke "has magic in his boots", Paul McComiskey is a deadly marksman, Seanty and Aisake, Seanty was one of the most amazing forwards I've seen play in a Rebel jersey and looking at Cork's success in the past, the most decorating county in both codes, is a dalm good compliment, and all that was only after one season, the fame and success he had after ONE season, unbelievable. A season that ended cruely in defeat, (I don't think anyone will forget seeing him crying and Sean Og hugging him). He started off that season as Sean Og's little brother and by the end of it we'd a new hero, Aisake was next in line to come in to that..etc. Get where I'm coming from. All have something special about them to some degree.
But sometimes it's not going to be the fairytale that they'll think it'll be and that's what we're afraid of cause at the end of the day, they're just kids. Exploiting them on a whim is just cruel.
Grimreepah
22 Feb 2008, 10:43
But sometimes it's not going to be the fairytale that they'll think it'll be and that's what we're afraid of cause at the end of the day, they're just kids. Exploiting them on a whim is just cruel.
I enjoyed the passion in the rest of your post rebelcounty but this is going a bit over the top IMO. Most footballers in Australia would say it is a great privilege to be playing professional sport. I don't think they are enduring cruelty and I don't think they're being exploited. Some may not succeed but that doesn't mean their life is over. In fact I would argue that it is still a good experience that puts them in good stead when they move onto other things.
rebelcounty
22 Feb 2008, 10:56
I enjoyed the passion in the rest of your post rebelcounty but this is going a bit over the top IMO. Most footballers in Australia would say it is a great privilege to be playing professional sport. I don't think they are enduring cruelty and I don't think they're being exploited. Some may not succeed but that doesn't mean their life is over. In fact I would argue that it is still a good experience that puts them in good stead when they move onto other things.
It's 2 in the morning (here) what do ya expect, of course it's going to get a little rough at the end.
Not to mention that I'm not completely sober, but we'll leave that for another day.
I don't mean exploit them like that I mean what do I mean, I mean, take a bunch of young talented lads and bring them over because everyone else is doing it and there's a chance that they could be as good as Clarke or Kennelly, without the real picture being shown to them first.
I could pretty much guarantee that 99% hell ALL of the players over there would be here if the GAA was professional.
It's the same with football as well, off the top of my head I can think of 3 players who would most definatley be playing GAA if it was pro, they've openly said that either hurling or g football is their first love. And that's just off the top of my head, there's loads more.
There is something more to it, I remember I think it was Sean Og (o Hailpin's brother) saying that how he HATED the winter training, training in the pissing rain in Fermoy in the cold nights but he'd do it all just for ONE day in the sun in Thurles, or Croke Park.
You're right. These lads are unbelievable athletes, they're fitter then anyone, any professional players in most sports. Outstanding coordination, thrive when pushed, LOVE the game, that's what everyone plays it for because they are desperately in love with it. I play half a dozen sports and none of them give me the same rush as hurling or football does.
They'll do whatever it takes to do well and fight bloody hard for it because when it comes down to it, because there's no money it's all about the crest, the flag and the parish, and most of these lads would die for their county. The sacrifices they make is I can't even began to explain and all for the love of the game. It's professional in all but name.
Whatever ye say, it's not only about the money, they don't, wouldn't walk away from what, 16 years of hard work for just money and move across the world.
So you wonder why the Irish lads are making it so well and making it look so easy over there, because they are bloody hard workers, and most will make it happen because they wont give you anything less then 110% and they hate to fail and if they do fail it wont be threw the lack of trying. (They're all adrenaline junkies, half of them are anyway) They're being pushed all the time over there, and they're getting paid to train and play the game, a game that they're learning about all the time, what a rush, an adventure.
And there is something special about all of the boys over there, Kennelly is the Horses' son, "bred to be brave," on and off the field that's enough in itself to have great things expected of him and rightly so. Clarke "has magic in his boots", Paul McComiskey is a deadly marksman, Seanty and Aisake, Seanty was one of the most amazing forwards I've seen play in a Rebel jersey and looking at Cork's success in the past, the most decorating county in both codes, is a dalm good compliment, and all that was only after one season, the fame and success he had after ONE season, unbelievable. A season that ended cruely in defeat, (I don't think anyone will forget seeing him crying and Sean Og hugging him). He started off that season as Sean Og's little brother and by the end of it we'd a new hero, Aisake was next in line to come in to that..etc. Get where I'm coming from. All have something special about them to some degree.
No argument, and I can feel your sense of loss. Any decent basketballer born here is in the States before he's finished high school. Kewell was in London by the time he was 15 and most of the other great kids are in Europe by the age of 20. If things work out, we see them every now and again for World Cup qualifier or friendly.
But sometimes it's not going to be the fairytale that they'll think it'll be and that's what we're afraid of cause at the end of the day, they're just kids. Exploiting them on a whim is just cruel.
As good as they've been lately, I tend to think Marty Clarke is so good that he's has made it look easier than it is and I believe many other will struggle. Quigley couldn't adjust, and back in Jim Stynes and Sean Wight's time there were two or three other Irish players who couldn't quite cut it. Even the O'Hailphin's have been here for 4 years. Sentanta has probably established himself in the seniors (in a struggling club mind you) and Aisake is still to establish himself, so it's not a walk in the park, even if you're naturally gifted.
But as Begley has said in interviews, he's always looked at it as in his worst case scenario, he'd give it a crack, have an adventure, get bigger, stronger and harder with the full time training and go back to Ireland after two years as a better prepared footballer. Can't see Begs getting sent home now, but I do think you'll see plenty more Quigley situations.
If those guys try out and don't make it, that wouldn't seem to me to be a dire situation for them -- doesn't seem to have damaged Quigley and plenty of young people go away for university at a similar age without apparent harm -- so I don't know if 'exploited on a whim' is quite the right term.
rebelcounty
22 Feb 2008, 11:01
Em, ya I could explain what I mean, and what lack of sleep and a little bit of alcohol means to me, (a lot of rambling) or I could go to bed..ah, screw it, it can wait, good night or morning whatever.
It's 2 in the morning (here) what do ya expect, of course it's going to get a little rough at the end.
Not to mention that I'm not completely sober, but we'll leave that for another day.
Understood. :D I've no problem with a man defending the competition he clearly loves. I'd be doing the same.
TheBrownDog
22 Feb 2008, 12:26
To do what they love??
To do what they MIGHT like.
By doing what they love, I wasn't referring to AFL, I was referring to playing sport in general.
But like, there has to be some sort of limit.
Why? The GAA doesn't own the players? If the players want to do it, who are you to stop them?
You make it sound like we are slave traders loading these kids onto boats against their will.
notting18
22 Feb 2008, 12:36
You make it sound like we are slave traders loading these kids onto boats against their will.
Maybe we should be;)
Maybe we should be;)
Stolen Generation V2?
rebelcounty
22 Feb 2008, 22:51
By doing what they love, I wasn't referring to AFL, I was referring to playing sport in general.
Why? The GAA doesn't own the players? If the players want to do it, who are you to stop them?
You make it sound like we are slave traders loading these kids onto boats against their will.
Meh I didn't really mean the last part, it's the only thing I could put together in that hour :D:D.
TheBrownDog
22 Feb 2008, 22:55
Meh I didn't really mean the last part, it's the only thing I could put together in that hour :D:D.
Fair enough.
I can understand your frustration but its hard to begrudge Australian clubs for offering them the opportunity and even harder to begrudge the Irish lads for accepting.
The amateur nature of the GAA is what gives it its soul and makes it so special, unfortunately the downside in the global economy is that the elite players will be subject to offers to use their skills for financial gain.
TheBrownDog
22 Feb 2008, 22:57
Meh I didn't really mean the last part, it's the only thing I could put together in that hour :D:D.
Fair enough.
I can understand your frustration but its hard to begrudge Australian clubs for offering them the opportunity and even harder to begrudge the Irish lads for accepting.
The amateur nature of the GAA is what gives it its soul and makes it so special, unfortunately the downside in the global economy is that the elite players will be subject to offers to use their skills for financial gain.
Its pretty much a no-lose situation for these players.
At the very least they spend two years in Australia on a working holiday getting paid to kick a footy around, meet some new people and come back to Ireland fitter than ever before.
Best case scenario is they become an elite player and fly their counties flag on foreign soil while earning a pretty penny at the same time, retire early and return home to help lead their club and/or county to glory.