View Full Version : Is Nathan Buckley the Trevor Chappel of Aust rules Footy?
Defender
18 Jul 2002, 11:14
I would say its a lot more disgusting to smear blood on your opponents jumper to make them leave the field when your team is down than bowling an under arm
Definately a dark and dispicable moment in Australian sport.
No not really.
you are comparing 1 moment of frustration to 1 moment of calculated 'tactics' that changed the result of a game.
Destructive
18 Jul 2002, 11:26
yes it was. It was arrogant and rude.
Originally posted by Defender
I would say its a lot more disgusting to smear blood on your opponents jumper to make them leave the field when your team is down than bowling an under arm
Definately a dark and dispicable moment in Australian sport.
It's a lot more disgusting to intentionally open a wound on the forehead of another human being with your elbow, in my less than humbe opinion!
You are a tool Defender.
Originally posted by FIGJAM
You are a tool Defender.
Here Here.
Defender
18 Jul 2002, 12:00
Given it was early in the game it was still a tactic of cheating proportions. And disgusting at that.
I think it is one of the lowest acts I have ever seen in footy..and the trever chappel underarm was not in the spirit and an lives as a very disappointing legacy in Australian cricket history.
The Buckley act is much worse in my mind. And that is coming from a Collingwood supporter who also follows Australia in the cricket.
Originally posted by FIGJAM
It's a lot more disgusting to intentionally open a wound on the forehead of another human being with your elbow, in my less than humbe opinion!
You have to stop using that defence figjam...its ****en stupid and reeks of 'well he did it to me and so i'll do it back to him.."
Both of them were idiots, but buckley an even bigger idiot as he is the captain of the side. He should have know better!
Originally posted by Diego
Both of them were idiots, but buckley an even bigger idiot as he is the captain of the side. He should have know better!
Agreed.
Just for clarification, Trevor Chappel did what his captain told him and should not be blamed. He was clearly not in favour of the action. Greg was the master of that victory which, in reality, was never in jeopardy.
Ford Fairlane
18 Jul 2002, 14:43
Originally posted by MarkT
Agreed.
Just for clarification, Trevor Chappel did what his captain told him and should not be blamed. He was clearly not in favour of the action. Greg was the master of that victory which, in reality, was never in jeopardy.
Can't agree with that. Trevor Chappell may have only been "following orders" but that does not excuse his culpability. Life is about choices and he did not have to choose to bowl that underarm delivery. In fact if he was so strongly opposed to it he should have shown the - pardon the pun - balls not to bowl underarm.
As to the victory never being in jeopardy, I'd say "in likelihood" not "in reality". I guess you didn't see Wayne Daniel (considered a true bunny with the bat) belt Mick Malone out of Waverley Park off the last ball of the innings to secure a victory for the Windies in a WSC game. Greg Chappell did - he was there.
goal_umpire
18 Jul 2002, 14:47
Nathan Buckley should have known better. It was disgusting. I hope that he learns from this suspension.
EVERYBODY - 3 cheers for suzi.......................
Originally posted by Diego
You have to stop using that defence figjam...its ****en stupid and reeks of 'well he did it to me and so i'll do it back to him.."
Dude, I ain't using the retalliation excuse.
What I am saying is this:
Given the choice of you (who I don't know from Adam) wiping your blood on my work shirt, or elbowing me in the head to cause my head to bleed, you can wipe away!
I haven't once defended Buckley. I have defended the supposed severity of the incident. People are going too far with it and that is my opinion.
Ford Fairlane
18 Jul 2002, 14:51
Originally posted by noodle
No not really.
you are comparing 1 moment of frustration to 1 moment of calculated 'tactics' that changed the result of a game.
From the report of the tribunal hearing in The Age:
Buckley told the tribunal he made a "split-second decision" to wipe the blood from his cut eye on Ling as he left the field because he knew the Geelong tagger would be also forced from the ground.
This was described by the tribual chairman as a deliberate and calculated act.
Both actions seem fairly similar in that light.
Briedis
18 Jul 2002, 14:56
Originally posted by FIGJAM
It's a lot more disgusting to intentionally open a wound on the forehead of another human being with your elbow, in my less than humbe opinion!
"Intentionally open a wound" ?? Get your hand off it! Ling went to belt him, yes, but intentionally open a wound? Good one!!
Blood is considered a lethal weapon in society and it is a criminal offence to threaten someone with blood or to actually smear blood on someone else. Buckley is lucky he wasn't up on criminal charges according to many observers.
Maybe he and Eddie can share the same cell!
Docker_Brat
18 Jul 2002, 14:57
Low act? Yes.
Trevor Chappell? No.
I think he would be more compared to Greg Chappell, they both came up with the idea, both captains who should have known better.
Originally posted by Briedis
"Intentionally open a wound" ?? Get your hand off it! Ling went to belt him, yes, but intentionally open a wound? Good one!!
I have never witnessed anyone punch, elbow, scratch or whatever someone, without that person having intent to cause the other person maximum pain.
You'd reckon Bucks pulled a Brad Pitt outta Fight Club!!
"YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE I'VE BEEN LING, YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE I'VE BEEN"
Defender
18 Jul 2002, 15:14
Originally posted by Docker_Brat
Low act? Yes.
Trevor Chappell? No.
I think he would be more compared to Greg Chappell, they both came up with the idea, both captains who should have known better.
That's fair enough too..
not in the spirit of the game, damning and disgusting! Something that wont be forgotten easily and will definately tarnish Buckley's career..very poor sportsmanship
No he isnt....I tell you what,if some one smacked me in the head and I bled the way he did,I would wipe my blood on his shirt as a retaliation and nothing else..
How many of the people that have written posts about this ACTUALLY follow the game??????????????????
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
Can't agree with that. Trevor Chappell may have only been "following orders" but that does not excuse his culpability. Life is about choices and he did not have to choose to bowl that underarm delivery. In fact if he was so strongly opposed to it he should have shown the - pardon the pun - balls not to bowl underarm.
That's a fair enough point of view but we are not talking NAZI wartime Germany here. We are talking about sportsmanship as opposed to humanity.
Originally posted by Ford Fairlane
As to the victory never being in jeopardy, I'd say "in likelihood" not "in reality". I guess you didn't see Wayne Daniel (considered a true bunny with the bat) belt Mick Malone out of Waverley Park off the last ball of the innings to secure a victory for the Windies in a WSC game. Greg Chappell did - he was there.
Believe it or not I did see that match. It was the one and only WSC match I went to - unless you count a washed out practice match. I know what you are talking about but in reality it wasn't going to happen. No doubt the possibility existed but my comment was based on practicality as opposed to theory.
Interesting to ponder Trevor minus that incident. Would anyone remember him? He wern't no left handed f. genius as Mr. Fairlane would say.
Originally posted by Briedis
Buckley is lucky he wasn't up on criminal charges according to many observers.
Maybe he and Eddie can share the same cell!
What absolute rubbish. Are you really that stupid? Any player who hits anyone during a match or otherwise could be arrested and charged. To say he was lucky not to chareged is the same as saying Ling or anyone else was lucky not to be charged. It's just not based in reality.
And why would Eddie end up in a cell? Maybe the padded one next to yours?
Defender
18 Jul 2002, 16:07
MY SAY - herald sun - Thurs. 18 July 2002
Playing the rules
The football public seems to be missing the point about the incident involving Collingwood skipper Nathan Buckley and Geelong giant killer Cameron Ling. This si being seen as a health issue although there is no hard evidence to link external blood flow with the transmission of disease.
The incident should be look at from an entirely different angle.
Leigh Matthews said it was an offence similar to spitting, but I still disagree.
What Nathan Buckley didwas equivalent to ball tampering in cricket.
Every cricketer knows it is illegal to scratch or modify the ball to help the bowler. The Buckley episode was a blatant case of cheating. Anyone with blood on them must leave the field and that is how it have been interpreted.
Whether the blood rule is realistic is irrelevant.
So making someone bleed is cheating, as is knocking someone out - they all have to leave the field. What's your point?
Defender
18 Jul 2002, 16:18
Buckley has tarnished his career with very bad sportsmanship
He will be remember forever more for this dispicable dirty low and filthy act.
Shame !
Originally posted by MarkT
That's a fair enough point of view but we are not talking NAZI wartime Germany here. We are talking about sportsmanship as opposed to humanity.
Believe it or not I did see that match. It was the one and only WSC match I went to - unless you count a washed out practice match. I know what you are talking about but in reality it wasn't going to happen. No doubt the possibility existed but my comment was based on practicality as opposed to theory.
That 6 really opened up WSC and the One day game as a spectacle.
You were there? Wow..I wish I was older to watch WSC.
Nothing beats the footage of the funky West Indians celebrating in the tiny coaches boxes with two blondes sitting on their lap! :eek:
As for Trev..a case of doing what big brother tells you. Simple. I don't think DK would have bowled an underarm delivery.
Originally posted by MarkT
Interesting to ponder Trevor minus that incident. Would anyone remember him? He wern't no left handed f. genius as Mr. Fairlane would say.
I doubt it..but he did peg an umpire years ago in a one day match when it was called the McDonalds cup. He was was out deep in the boundary and threw it back to the keeper baseball pitcher style, hitting the umpire at square leg in the back of the head.
:D
Anybody remember this?
Is Buckley the Trevor Chappel of AFL ?
No !
What Chappel did was legal and within the rules (if not the spirit) of the game.
John
Ford Fairlane
18 Jul 2002, 16:29
Originally posted by MarkT
That's a fair enough point of view but we are not talking NAZI wartime Germany here. We are talking about sportsmanship as opposed to humanity.
Believe it or not I did see that match. It was the one and only WSC match I went to - unless you count a washed out practice match. I know what you are talking about but in reality it wasn't going to happen. No doubt the possibility existed but my comment was based on practicality as opposed to theory.
Interesting to ponder Trevor minus that incident. Would anyone remember him? He wern't no left handed f. genius as Mr. Fairlane would say.
Excuse my hyperbole ... ;) I think without that incident T. Chappell would have been long forgotten. On the same page, do you think Greg would have asked Dennis Lillee to do it ... and what might Dennis have replied?
I saw the game on TV ... I can still remember it. And to this day I have no idea where the ball landed!
Originally posted by Defender
Buckley has tarnished his career with very bad sportsmanship
He will be remember forever more for this dispicable dirty low and filthy act.
Shame !
I doubt it butcher i mean defender..there have been players in the past who have been legends and have commited low acts.
Wayne Carey on the other hand....:eek:
Ford Fairlane
18 Jul 2002, 16:31
Originally posted by Diego
Nothing beats the footage of the funky West Indians celebrating in the tiny coaches boxes with two blondes sitting on their lap! :eek:
Marat Safin's "entourage" at the Oz Open?:D
Defender
18 Jul 2002, 16:35
Wayne Carey was a champion with the Kangaroos! He messed up off the field.
Buckley blew it with what he did on the field. He is tarnished a lot more than Carey in my mind.
Why are you so negative towards your club and especially your captain?
You would never hear me be negative towards the swans and especially paul kelly!
You are nothing but a primma donna! Get over it! :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Defender
Wayne Carey was a champion with the Kangaroos! He messed up off the field.
Buckley blew it with what he did on the field. He is tarnished a lot more than Carey in my mind.
you really seem to have it in for bucks.
yeah what bucks did was dumb and pretty low but comparing it to sleeping with a guys wife... well that speaks for itself.
(i can't believe that i'm defending buckley :confused: )
Originally posted by Diego
That 6 really opened up WSC and the One day game as a spectacle.
You were there? Wow..I wish I was older to watch WSC.
Nothing beats the footage of the funky West Indians celebrating in the tiny coaches boxes with two blondes sitting on their lap! :eek:
Depending on your point of view, WSC killed cricket or it was the saviour cricket. It certainly popularised the one day game and brought women to the cricket. That 6 was pretty dissapointing at the time for a young Aussie supporter - we could never beat those buggers. In hindsight, it was a classic moment. The Windies did alright with the chicks out here didn't they.
Originally posted by Diego
As for Trev..a case of doing what big brother tells you. Simple. I don't think DK would have bowled an underarm delivery.
Interesting one. DK wasn't above a tactic or 2. Depends on how far you think he would take it. I would suggest he wouldn't defy Ian but perhaps Greg. He would have told Kim Hughes exactly where to stick the ball.
Originally posted by Diego
I doubt it..but he did peg an umpire years ago in a one day match when it was called the McDonalds cup. He was was out deep in the boundary and threw it back to the keeper baseball pitcher style, hitting the umpire at square leg in the back of the head.
:D
Don't recall that one.
Originally posted by Diego
Why are you so negative towards your club and especially your captain?
You would never hear me be negative towards the swans and especially paul kelly!
It ain't his club.
He is just a sad sole pretending to be a gay Collingwood supporter for attention. I am thinking of buying him a dog for xmas but I'm scared it will push him over the edge if it refuses to play with him.
Defender
18 Jul 2002, 18:16
Originally posted by noodle
you really seem to have it in for bucks.
yeah what bucks did was dumb and pretty low but comparing it to sleeping with a guys wife... well that speaks for itself.
(i can't believe that i'm defending buckley :confused: )
i wont get into carey's personal life that is his business..when he goes on the ground he is fair game
buckley is the same..buckley smearing blood like he did is absolutely dispicable and in my mind unforgivable!!
yes im not happy with him at all..
Mudholian
18 Jul 2002, 18:26
There are probably going to be degrees of blood related offences but this is the first so we have to start somewhere. He just wiped his head on the jumper. Had he used his hands and gone for an orifice it might be worth a lot more. Just ask hipopote.. hipoptti.. that rugby guy.
Defender
18 Jul 2002, 18:34
he purposely rubbed the blood from his head to lings jumper
he has admitted to it
that is something i guess but it is no excuse..the video footage was damning enough..
McAlmanac
18 Jul 2002, 18:47
Originally posted by MarkT
The Windies did alright with the chicks out here didn't they.
When Joel Garner played a season for SA, he was the Number 1 Legend in town. ;)
Buckley's act will be one of those footy folklore stories in due course. Like the ones you hear about some first game player getting poleaxed by Mopsy Fraser or the like. It was a moment of madness that he shouldn't be solely remembered for.
Originally posted by Hoggy
Here Here.
where where Hoggy?
backpacker
19 Jul 2002, 01:05
Sorry do not slur Trevor Chappell's name with this. Trevor was under orders from Greg Chappell to bowl underarm which was within the laws of the game at the time.
This is worse as Buckley is captain and broke the laws of the game.
Doesn't change the way I thought of him anyway. I always thought he was a bit of a ****er now he has proven it to me.
machiavelli
20 Jul 2002, 16:28
Originally posted by Defender
i wont get into carey's personal life that is his business..when he goes on the ground he is fair game
buckley is the same..buckley smearing blood like he did is absolutely dispicable and in my mind unforgivable!!
yes im not happy with him at all..
One of the moderators here has confirmed that once you were born your parents were so shocked with what they produced they committed joint suicide.
And really, who could blame them? Put them out of their misery!
THat is why I feel sorry for you....b/c it was left to you favourite pet Fido (who later became your mysterious lover) to raise you, and that explains why you are a dog now!
SO I feel vewy vewy sad for you!
Defender
21 Jul 2002, 00:03
interesting that the poll here is pretty conclusive with what the general public said in the herald sun poll..simialr!
from listening to talkback most people feel the penalty should have been much harsher though and that the AFL dropped the ball with the seriousness of the blood smearing in relation to such a small penalty. Most people are saying 3 -7 weeks with a fine as well.
dancingdoggie17
21 Jul 2002, 11:13
Originally posted by Rocky
No he isnt....I tell you what,if some one smacked me in the head and I bled the way he did,I would wipe my blood on his shirt as a retaliation and nothing else..
How many of the people that have written posts about this ACTUALLY follow the game??????????????????
You would only get smacked in the head cos you're a collingwood supporter and the person would be trying to knock some sense into you. (not a personal attack, moderator, a general point i am making that is tounge in cheek!):p
What buckley did was horrible. He should be ashamed rather than walking out of the tribunal smirking. Im glad he can't win the brownlow cos he's not the best or fairest.
You are switching people now and going on about Wayne Carey so to create a diversion. What carey did was off the field. He slept with a friend and coworker's wife. Im sure there are alot of people who have slept with co-workers and friend's wives, but Im sure not many have wiped blood on their co-worker's jumpers.
only 1 week wasn't good enough. If it was libba what would you guys all be saying and what would the penalty have been?