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Drummond
1 Mar 2008, 19:30
Half time Adelaide v Hawthorn...
Mackay? Not sighted. What the heck? Probably been our most promising young midfielder over the pre-season and yet he hasn’t stepped foot on the field tonight.
Moran? Not sighted.
Griffin? Not sighted.
I’m assuming they’ll all play the majority of the second half and perhaps guys like Vince, Tippett and Maric will take a seat. Maybe he’s putting them “head to head” to see who performs the best but personally I can’t understand the logic.
hey shorty
1 Mar 2008, 19:32
I think theyll give the 3 of them the entire 2nd half, maybe giving Maric and a couple others a rest. I can half understand it, and really as long as we win the game im not too bothered, its not as if Craigy will do it during the season.
Drummond
1 Mar 2008, 19:58
I think theyll give the 3 of them the entire 2nd half, maybe giving Maric and a couple others a rest. I can half understand it, and really as long as we win the game im not too bothered, its not as if Craigy will do it during the season.
Yeah I can understand it too, but I certainly don’t agree with it. We should be giving the youngsters as much time as possible during the pre-season, not sitting them on the bench for an entire half.
And Moran should’ve played a total of 2-3 minutes tonight, as I would’ve dragged him after his Jericho like effort shortly after the third term began. The ball was in dispute, and instead of running at his opponent, tiny Tim Clarke I believe, he shirked the contest big time. It’s very disappointing seeing a guy who has 20cm and 20kg on his opponent refuse to take the contact.
As for Mackay, splendid output in limited time. 7 possessions in about 15 minutes.
hey shorty
1 Mar 2008, 20:01
Gee harsh on Moran, yes he shirked a contest but he more than made up for it IMO. Agree with you on Mackay, fantastic young player.
Gee harsh on Moran, yes he shirked a contest but he more than made up for it IMO. Agree with you on Mackay, fantastic young player.
good thing his name's not jericho. :)
hey shorty
1 Mar 2008, 20:14
He shirked A contest, not every one ;). Im no Jericho hater myself but hes got a long way to hopefully not travel to get there.
He shirked A contest, not every one ;). Im no Jericho hater myself but hes got a long way to hopefully not travel to get there.
sorry, only a certain type of player obviously and noticeably shirks a contest.
save the - it was only once nonsense - as you noticed it enough to mention it.
hey shorty
1 Mar 2008, 20:32
Didnt cost us a win im all happy, but he would want to improve further. Griffo struggled I thought but Mackay is all class.
RoosterLad
1 Mar 2008, 20:33
Moran does look good though, I think he will be a very good pickup for us.
Very good win tonight after I thought Buddy would **** us over again. Our forward line will play sexy football this year.
Tippett looks a likely type and Burton is fit and firing.
ToeKneeArmStrong
1 Mar 2008, 20:38
Good win by the boys.
hey shorty
1 Mar 2008, 20:38
Just love Tippett sticking up the one mit in the 3rd qtr..... quality stuff.
I think Moran is best suited to the running half back at this stage of his development but IMO will be a good pickup for us and yes...... I was cursing B Franklin again with 4 minutes to go, I was actually pretty wound up for a PS game.
What was the deal with that super goal being disallowed?
I thought it was a good hard game of footy and will be invaluable to some of the inexperienced players.
RoosterLad
1 Mar 2008, 20:41
Just love Tippett stick up the one mit in the 3rd qtr..... quality stuff.
I think Moran is best suited to the running half back at this stage of his development but IMO will be a good pickup for us and yes...... I was cursing B Franklin again with 4 minutes to go, I was actually pretty wound up for a PS game.
That one mit stuff was absolute quality wasn't it! Include that huge grab he took in Dubai and this kid looks the goods.
I did get wound up as well, it's a semi-final I guess so it's a bit of a big game for a pre-season match... but maybe I'm just missing my footy! I'm almost over the cricket even though the finals should be alright.
Just wait til we get Gilly back in there ;)
FlyingCrow
1 Mar 2008, 20:42
Whats up with Maric....Griffen and Tippett in the round 1 team for mine.
hey shorty
1 Mar 2008, 20:42
Not too sure, I mean even The Chiefton could see it with his brown and gold eyes...... id hate to hear what the 5AA boys had to say about it !!!
RoosterLad
1 Mar 2008, 20:43
What was the deal with that super goal being disallowed?
It is ridiculous. Apparently it was supposed to be reviewed at quarter time... not that it did much as the blind fools still missed it. If it doesn't get overturned at quarter time then no deal as well.
hey shorty
1 Mar 2008, 20:43
Whats up with Maric....Griffen and Tippett in the round 1 team for mine.
Didnt think Griffo was that good either to be honest...... Maric was better around the groun IMO.
Eastern Crow
1 Mar 2008, 20:43
Adelaide and NC obviously went in with a player rotation plan no matter what the scoreboard was...
Some good signs tonight
Midfield looks strong, VB, Scotty Thompson, Radar and Proplyzia looked strong, well supported by Vince and Symes
Tippett looks ahead of Sellar for a spot
Griffen and Maric performed strongly in the ruck
We won tonight without relying on Macca and Goodwin, however, Birdman looked the goods
Eastern Crow
1 Mar 2008, 20:44
Didnt think Griffo was that good either to be honest...... Maric was better around the groun IMO.
Griffen was very good in the second half :thumbsu:
hey shorty
1 Mar 2008, 20:46
I guess the telling factor was that neither Hawk ruckman had an influence on the game.
RoosterLad
1 Mar 2008, 20:46
Symes is going to be awesome for us as well, good game tonight by the young man. Hopefully he plays every game so he doesn't front up for those damn Dogs!
Tippett is miles ahead of Sellar, not to write the kid off as I think he will still be good, but he needs some solid league games for the Bays this year.
FlyingCrow
1 Mar 2008, 20:47
Griffen was very good in the second half :thumbsu:
yep that was when Maric dropped off, like I said what is wrong with him...I thought he would be the stand out fro Ruck this year for us. But his last two games he has dropped off in second half.
Eastern Crow
1 Mar 2008, 20:48
No Injuries :):thumbsu:
FlyingCrow
1 Mar 2008, 20:48
It is ridiculous. Apparently it was supposed to be reviewed at quarter time... not that it did much as the blind fools still missed it. If it doesn't get overturned at quarter time then no deal as well.
I was at the game and up that end, it WAS a supergoal....
I was at the game and up that end, it WAS a supergoal....
It looked like thommo's bounced over the line before coming back too
RoosterLad
1 Mar 2008, 20:50
I was at the game and up that end, it WAS a supergoal....
Damn right, they showed quite a few replays that did confirm it. How did the video umpires miss it????
hey shorty
1 Mar 2008, 20:50
Yep no injuries again which is a good thing, we need everyone up and running (bar Rowdy of course) come Rd1 for those Bullies.
:thumbsu: Tippet
Sellar looks like he needs some more time in sanfl, although very impressed by his effort.
Moran ... we all saw the no contest against a hawk 20kg lighter???? but he did some good work. I think he will be a good long term prospect. As a key position backline player he is way behind bock and rutten. As a long term replacement for stevens as a utility tall :thumbsu:
FlyingCrow
1 Mar 2008, 20:54
Damn right, they showed quite a few replays that did confirm it. How did the video umpires miss it????
I havent seen it on TV, watching ten now.....
If it was reviewed they have grapes for eyeballs
RoosterLad
1 Mar 2008, 20:55
Yep no injuries again which is a good thing, we need everyone up and running (bar Rowdy of course) come Rd1 for those Bullies.
Please don't use up all the luck in the pre-season.....!
Eastern Crow
1 Mar 2008, 20:55
Yep no injuries again which is a good thing, we need everyone up and running (bar Rowdy of course) come Rd1 for those Bullies.
especially given that it is Johnson's 300th game
:thumbsu: Tippet
Sellar looks like he needs some more time in sanfl, although very impressed by his effort.
Moran ... we all saw the no contest against a hawk 20kg lighter???? but he did some good work. I think he will be a good long term prospect. As a key position backline player he is way behind bock and rutten. As a long term replacement for stevens as a utility tall :thumbsu:
I thought he played good without being great. Lets not make one contest define him. He hasn't put a foot wrong the entire NAB cup.
Drummond
1 Mar 2008, 20:58
Player Review:
Bassett: Good to have him back, will be better for the run. Didn’t notice him much but he certainly didn’t look as rusty as some would after a long layoff.
Bock: Only injury will prevent him from being the AA CHB. Brilliant game yet again, provided a heap of rebound from defence.
Burton: Started slowly but finished very well. Presented well and took a hanger in the third term. 16 possessions, 3 goals, should be his averages for the year.
Doughty: Another solid game. There’s no doubt he’s playing Round 1 with the dumping of Campbell.
Douglas: A typical game from Douglas. 11 possessions and little influence. Needs to find more of the ball and make his tackles stick. That’s the main problem I have at this stage, he constantly fails to make tackles stick.
Edwards: Had a pretty solid outing but wasn’t overly noticeable.
Goodwin: See Edwards.
Griffin: I thought he rucked very well and that one passage of play where he grabbed the loose ball, weaved through traffic and delivered to Burton was impressive.
Johncock: Superb game, as usual. I see no reason why he too can’t be an AA this year. Just doesn’t put a foot wrong in defence.
Knights: Less game time this week and as a result only had the 15 possessions. He did kick a terrific super goal in the last term which put the game beyond doubt.
Mackay: Played about 40% of the game and played very well. Finished with10 possessions, used it very well and that spear pass to Burton in the third term was a beauty. Unfortunately with the way he was used tonight I don’t see him playing in Round 1.
Maric: IMO the most pleasing aspect of the game. Had an impact around the ground and won the majority of ruck contests. Had 10 possessions, which is a number he’s never reached during the season proper. He looks set to go and hopefully this will boost his confidence for Round 1.
McGregor: Started very well but dropped off considerably. His lack of pace was noticeable tonight.
McLeod: See Ewdards, Goodwin…
Moran: Shirked a contest even Jericho probably would’ve attacked. How poor was his body work against Roughead in the final term? Completely pushed off the contest, a worry for a “key defender”.
Porplyzia: A somewhat quiet game tonight from Porps, but he finished well by kicking two goals in the final minute. Great contested mark which led to the first goal.
Reilly: As with Porplyzia, I thought he was relatively quiet. Drifted in and out of the game but no big deal.
Rutten: Brilliant game, even if Franklin did get away from him in the last term. 20 possessions is pleasing.
Sellar: Back to the SANFL reserves. Okay, being completely serious, he’s nowhere near ready to play AFL footy. Looks slow, uncoordinated and struggles to have an impact. There will be struggles for him this year, even at SANFL level. He looked like a slow ruckman out there tonight.
Shirley: Poor disposal, especially by hand, putting teammates under pressure. Obviously his spot is under no pressure as Campbell was dropped and Mackay played less than 50% of the game.
Stevens: Spent quite a bit of time up forward and didn’t have much impact.
Symes: Great, great game. Good against Collingwood, poor against Fremantle, but responded well tonight. Used the ball well and he kicked 2 goals. Cemented his spot for Round 1.
Thompson: Does anyone doubt the fact that he’s an elite midfielder? What a great game by Thommo; 29 possessions and 2 goals. His first quarter was one of the main reasons we won.
Tippett: Will make his debut against the Dogs as he is miles ahead of Sellar at this stage and offers more flexibility which Neil Craig loves. Fantastic athleticism and even though he only had 4 possessions he looked dangerous up forward and made a contest. Pleased to see him get a goal late.
van Berlo: Had a massive 28 possessions, only 9 of which were kicks though. Led the game with 13 contested possessions and put his body on the line a number of times. A very good game from VB, his best of the pre-season and for once he played more than 75% of the game.
Vince: Some very good, some very bad. Had some nice passages of play but they were undone by poor skills and hands. He had a costly fumble late in the game which directly resulted in a goal. Had a few poor kicks and once again blazed away without looking for a better option. But on the flipside it was good to see him use his left boot and he did kick a lovely snap around his body to an open man. Dicey as to whether he plays Round 1.
Dandy_GO
1 Mar 2008, 21:16
yep that was when Maric dropped off, like I said what is wrong with him...I thought he would be the stand out fro Ruck this year for us. But his last two games he has dropped off in second half.
He dropped off because he was barely on the ground.
Just as Griff was barely on the ground for the first half, Ivan would have played 2-3 minutes in the second half.
I thought he was brilliant, and near best on ground in the first half. His tapwork was good, and he did a LOT around the ground and used his body and height well. Well and truly made up for last weeks effort.
hey shorty
1 Mar 2008, 21:16
Alright ill give this a whirl......
Bassett: Didnt really put a foot wrong..... adds another dimension and always good to have him back in.
Bock: Agree with Drum on this one, should be AA CHB
Burton: Still shudder when he kicks for goal but if he gets 3 a game ill be happy, and took a nice hanger for us all.
Doughty: Didnt really do anything outstanding but made few if any mistakes.
Douglas: When he got the ball I thought he was OK, still not strong enough yet,
Edwards: Seems to be moving better than last year, good pinch hitting player for us this year
Goodwin: Didnt have to do alot which was promising
Griffin: I actually didnt think he was that great, but neither were his opponents. Should be in RD1.
Johncock: Looks to have so much more time than most and loves to back himself in, great game.
Knights: Pretty good, im expecting really big things from this guy, as are most I think.
Mackay: Well this guy just keeps getting better. Even with limited gametime still impressive and has some very very nice skills.
Maric: Loved his 1st half, especially around the ground which Drum mentioned. Will lead our rucks and jump all over Huddo come RD1
McGregor: Pretty reasonable effort from Kenneth. Must play RD1 and ill be happy if he can get his 2-3 goals a game.
McLeod: Again didnt have to do much but what he did was good.
Moran: Drummond was way too harsh on this guy IMO. Did shirk a contest but more than made up for it with his rebound out of defence. I think this is his role for now but may not push his way into the real team just yet.
Porplyzia: Just love this guy. So silky smooth and as the commentators said, not long until more people recognise him as an A Grader.
Reilly: Pretty quiet
Rutten: The best FB in the business without a doubt. Yes Buddy got a couple towards the end but he'll do that to everyone.
Sellar: Looooong way off.
Shirley: Put his head over the ball and won a few contests, didnt do too much wrong IMO.
Stevens: Again pretty quiet but solid enough.
Symes: I think Brad is ready to step up and be a very good AFL player. Tonight he showed the poise he usually does for the Doggies.
Thompson: 35/1 for Charlie really does look like good odds now doesnt it ??
Tippett: Sticking up the one hand for a grab already :thumbsu::thumbsu: I like this guy alot.
van Berlo: Could step into the "elite" bracket this season and along with Radar and Thommo will lead our new generation of midfielders
Vince: Needs to settle on his kicks a bit but pretty good IMO. Looks to have picked up a yard of pace too which is pleasing.
Drummond
1 Mar 2008, 21:24
He dropped off because he was barely on the ground.
Just as Griff was barely on the ground for the first half, Ivan would have played 2-3 minutes in the second half.
I thought he was brilliant, and near best on ground in the first half. His tapwork was good, and he did a LOT around the ground and used his body and height well. Well and truly made up for last weeks effort.
Exactly, why can’t people realise this? Maric dropped off because he barely played after half time! Griffin didn’t play the first half; Maric practically did the same in the second. 10 possessions and 10 hitouts in about 55-60% game time, I’ll take that any day. I was very impressed with him and it was a great response after being dominated last week.
Burton: Still shudder when he kicks for goal but if he gets 3 a game ill be happy, and took a nice hanger for us all.
I still shudder when he’s near the ball full stop. I know he’s a good player but my word he frustrates me.
Tippett: Sticking up the one hand for a grab already :thumbsu::thumbsu: I like this guy alot.
:p Liked it too. Actually there were a few times tonight where he implemented a bit of basketball.
Dandy_GO
1 Mar 2008, 21:25
Bock: Only injury will prevent him from being the AA CHB. Brilliant game yet again, provided a heap of rebound from defence.
Douglas: A typical game from Douglas. 11 possessions and little influence. Needs to find more of the ball and make his tackles stick. That’s the main problem I have at this stage, he constantly fails to make tackles stick.
Moran: Shirked a contest even Jericho probably would’ve attacked. How poor was his body work against Roughead in the final term? Completely pushed off the contest, a worry for a “key defender”.
Rutten: Brilliant game, even if Franklin did get away from him in the last term. 20 possessions is pleasing.
Sellar: Back to the SANFL reserves. Okay, being completely serious, he’s nowhere near ready to play AFL footy. Looks slow, uncoordinated and struggles to have an impact. There will be struggles for him this year, even at SANFL level. He looked like a slow ruckman out there tonight.
Tippett: Will make his debut against the Dogs as he is miles ahead of Sellar at this stage and offers more flexibility which Neil Craig loves. Fantastic athleticism and even though he only had 4 possessions he looked dangerous up forward and made a contest. Pleased to see him get a goal late.
Bock: Injury, or a ridiculously biased selection panel ;)
Douglas: I don't think you're giving him enough credit. Didn't get a heap of the ball, but was miles better than last week. Used it reasonably well, apart from in front of the sticks, and did some really good stuff in close. A very solid game for him, especially in the first half, where he appeared to get far more gametime. Agree about his tackles - and the opposition seem to know that they can run through him too.
Moran: Yes, I noticed those two incidents, and they weren't particularly pleasing, but there's something to work with here - moves brilliantly for a big man, and I loved how he ran through a couple of smaller blokes when he had the ball, approaching the 50. He can play, and, whilst he's not the hardest bloke out there, he's not Jericho either.
Rutten: I agree - didn't do a lot wrong - 2 of Franklins goals were crumbed and dribbled through and would have been kicked on any other full back in the league, and 2 others were from ridiculous angles near the 50: right where Rutten would want him. I thought Rutten played him really well, and, until the last quarter when Franklin started pulling goals out of his arse, was clearly on top.
Sellar: Agreed. He can play, and he's agressive, so I'm a fan, but if he doesn't mark it then he won't kick a goal. Not that he doesn't try - his second efforts are great - he's just seemingly awful below his knees and goes to ground way too easily. When the marks start sticking, and he kicks straight, he'll be something, but he needs time.
Tippett: Gun.
Great post btw :thumbsu:
Do you think Sellar, Moran, Douglas & Vince to miss round 1 from this team?
ToeKneeArmStrong
1 Mar 2008, 21:27
Do you think Sellar, Moran, Douglas & Vince to miss round 1 from this team?
Vince will get a gig infront of Mackay.
Not that I agree with it, but he will.
Douglas will probably get a gig as well.
hey shorty
1 Mar 2008, 21:28
IMO those 4 to miss yes. See how next week goes with a bit more pressure.
Eastern Crow
1 Mar 2008, 21:28
35 / 1
today sportsbet listed Thompson at 126/1 and Proplyzia at 501/1
hey shorty
1 Mar 2008, 21:30
35 / 1
today sportsbet listed Thompson at 126/1 and Proplyzia at 501/1
I think 35/1 was just for a place...... like I said..... great odds.
Eastern Crow
1 Mar 2008, 21:34
Vince will get a gig infront of Mackay.
Not that I agree with it, but he will.
Douglas will probably get a gig as well.
I thought Shirley was ordinary tonight
IMO Tippett will win selection in front of Sellar
Moran will miss as the Doggies are small up forward
I do not believe Shirley has done enough
Douglas, Vince and MacKay will fight for one, possibly two spots
Doughty has done enough to earn early selection
ToeKneeArmStrong
1 Mar 2008, 21:35
I thought Shirley was ordinary tonight
IMO Tippett will win selection in front of Sellar
Moran will miss as the Doggies are small up forward
I do not believe Shirley has done enough
Douglas, Vince and MacKay will fight for one, possibly two spots
Doughty has done enough to earn early selection
Shirley has a particular role though.
Not going to put Mackay, Douglas or Vince in as a tagger.
Eastern Crow
1 Mar 2008, 21:37
Shirley has a particular role though.
Not going to put Mackay, Douglas or Vince in as a tagger.
No, however, Symes can play the tagger role
NC has also gone on record by saying he wants flexibility and players that can play more than 1 role
Drummond
1 Mar 2008, 21:44
It was a good game tonight because we learnt a lot about our best 22.
• Forwards:
Sellar clearly won’t make the team to face the Dogs, whereas Tippett will. The latter is two years older and it shows. He’s a better athlete and he looks AFL ready, even if he doesn’t have a huge impact.
• Rucks:
Maric has cemented his spot, as has Griffin. While he was impressive in the ruck, that's not where Tippett will gain selection. Moran is the other option, but he's 4th in line.
• Midfield:
Vince too all but cemented his spot as he was in competition with Campbell and Mackay. The former was dropped and the latter played less than 50% of the game. I'd prefer Mackay but unfortunately I think Craig revealed his prefernce tonight.
Team for Round 1:
FF: Edwards, Tippett, Burton
CHF: McLeod, McGregor, Goodwin
C: Knights, van Berlo, Porplyzia
CHB: Symes, Bock, Bassett
FB: Johncock, Rutten, Stevens
1R: Maric, Thompson, Reilly
INT: Shirley, Doughty, Vince, Griffin
EMG: Douglas, Moran, Mackay
No, however, Symes can play the tagger role
based on what??????? :rolleyes:
hey shorty
1 Mar 2008, 21:47
It was a good game tonight because we learnt a lot about our best 22.
Team for Round 1:
FF: Edwards, Tippett, Burton
CHF: McLeod, McGregor, Goodwin
C: Knights, van Berlo, Porplyzia
CHB: Symes, Bock, Bassett
FB: Johncock, Rutten, Stevens
1R: Maric, Thompson, Reilly
INT: Shirley, Doughty, Vince, Griffin
EMG: Douglas, Moran, Mackay
Looks like the goods to me.
maccas_no1
1 Mar 2008, 21:52
Very nice win tonight, I really am enjoying the way we are playing attacking hard running football, IMO 2008 is going to be a very enjoyable season, bring it on:thumbsu:
Except Mackay needs to find a way in ... doughty and shirley are both hard professionals but Mackay's class >>> doughty and shirley.
Eastern Crow
1 Mar 2008, 21:59
based on what??????? :rolleyes:
based on he has the capability to do so and he has played that role numerous times for the doggies last year in the SANFL
Eastern Crow
1 Mar 2008, 22:01
Looks like the goods to me.
NOT a bad side, would love ro squeeze MacKay in for either Doughty or Shirley
• Midfield:
Vince too all but cemented his spot as he was in competition with Campbell and Mackay. The former was dropped and the latter played less than 50% of the game. I'd prefer Mackay but unfortunately I think Craig revealed his prefernce tonight.
With Douglas as well. I agree with Campbell in the midfield but this is his only chance of getting a regular spot. As a Brett Kirk type. The only question mark would be his tank and only the club would know how good it is.
In the truth Campbell is probably daylight behind the others. Not quick enough, disposal not good enough!
brucetiki
1 Mar 2008, 22:03
Another good win by Adelaide tonight. We've got a good group of young players coming up at the moment, which is exciting and fantastic.
Umpiring again was ordinary. Started off with an absolute shocker when our first goal should have been a Supergoal (I saw it from where I was sitting), and I guess if you start off that bad it's a long way back.
Now the Saints next week. Bring it on.
Dandy_GO
1 Mar 2008, 22:05
Umpiring again was ordinary. Started off with an absolute shocker when our first goal should have been a Supergoal (I saw it from where I was sitting), and I guess if you start off that bad it's a long way back.
Worse than ordinary. Absolutely piss poor.
I cannot believe how shithouse the umpiring has been. Better improve for the proper season. Tonight was an absolute joke. My favourite was the deliberate against Truck after he was clearly pushed in the back, and then the missed deliberate against the hawthorn player who just smacked it straight out of bounds in the same pocket.
based on what??????? :rolleyes:
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
NOT a bad side, would love ro squeeze MacKay in for either Doughty or Shirley
I agree with Drummond that it'll be a toss-up between Mackay and Vince, with Vince likely to be given the nod.
I also agree with Drummond that I'd prefer to see Mackay in there, but there's no doubt that the latter will force his way into the side during the season.
Mackay is a genuine talent and will be a very good player for us. Highly skilled, reads the play well and has beautiful balance.
Talking about talent, Stiffy and I were big wraps for Cyril Rioli in the draft and he gave everyone a damn good look as to why people like us felt that way about him.
A star of the future IMO.
I thought the game tonight was alright, glad we got the win and can see the boys next week at aami :thumbsu:
Thought some of our work through the middle was scrappy.
We missed having a smaller guy around the packs. All the big guys would just go up for the ball and no one was waiting down for the crumb.
Loved Burton's mark :thumbsu::D and one particular piece of play. Started with Griff's hit out in the ruck, got the ball to McLeod I think, ball then moved quickly into the 50 to Burton I think it was, ended with a set shot and goal.
Just on Griffin, thought his half was great in the ruck.
Neil Craig's plan of playing Griffin, Moran and Mackay in the second half was a little weird...would be interest to hear his reasoning on that.
Who was on Sam Mitchell?
Oh, but highlight of the night, down on the boundary after the game Griff saw my banner, gave it a clap and a thumbs up :D
Eastern Crow
1 Mar 2008, 22:26
I agree with Drummond that it'll be a toss-up between Mackay and Vince, with Vince likely to be given the nod.
I also agree with Drummond that I'd prefer to see Mackay in there, but there's no doubt that the latter will force his way into the side during the season.
Mackay is a genuine talent and will be a very good player for us. Highly skilled, reads the play well and has beautiful balance.
Talking about talent, Stiffy and I were big wraps for Cyril Rioli in the draft and he gave everyone a damn good look as to why people like us felt that way about him.
A star of the future IMO.
Macca
My mail is that Cyril did not interview that well with the crows, he showed a lack of enthusiasm and interest to come to Adelaide
Macca
My mail is that Cyril did not interview that well with the crows, he showed a lack of enthusiasm and interest to come to Adelaide
Yep. Sadly that appears to be true - I heard the same thing.
He would have been dynamite for us in our forward line IMO.
Still, no good drafting somebody who just doesn't want to be here.
Capitalist
1 Mar 2008, 22:50
tell you what
was super impressed with Griffins last quarter - might be a bit skinny than you like but shit he has some agility for a big man
Also agree with everyone who has tippet in Rd 1 - the guy looks like he is going to be very handy.
Also MAckay is a good player - look forward to him trying to break into the team.
McLeod23
1 Mar 2008, 23:00
Random comments;
Mackay is amazing - seriously clean hands, great balance and composure, wonderful decision making and lovely skills. He is going to be something special.
Symes was great.
I loved Knighta's square up tackle on Hodge where he won the free.
I still feel like we over use the handball - often we use three players when one guy could simply run 10 metres and kick.
tell you what
was super impressed with Griffins last quarter - might be a bit skinny than you like but shit he has some agility for a big man
Also agree with everyone who has tippet in Rd 1 - the guy looks like he is going to be very handy.
Also MAckay is a good player - look forward to him trying to break into the team.
Agree. Also I think his strength is definitely under estimated. He holds his own pretty well and I'm suspecting he has more potential in this area. But just have a look and you will be surprised. I think because he is skinny and his agility is so good we under rate his strength. So hopefully opponents will too.
Gee I'm pumped when I think about the future of this club.
Hodge2Franklin
1 Mar 2008, 23:43
Been waiting for a cab for 45 mins :mad: Not sure why my GF has convinced me to stop drink driving but I'll use the time to say hi.
Great game by you guys (and us too)... I have an enormous amount of respect for you guys, gun team ...
I am a happy supporter though, because finally we can play good games with quality teams like the Crows.
Well done, and good work by Craig over the summer he is a top coach.
And thanks heaps to Drummond for the H2H summary on our board. Made the game genuinely more interesting for me.
COME ON TAXI !!! :)
Hodge2Franklin
1 Mar 2008, 23:45
P.S. Knights = Gun !!!
P.P.S How good is my boy Hodgey? Never gets any credit but I love him.
Hodge2Franklin
1 Mar 2008, 23:45
lol...
P.P.S Rutten :eek: Can we have him?
Hodge was brilliant tonight, especially when he shrugged 3 or 4 tackles and created space.
FlyingCrow
2 Mar 2008, 01:05
That last goal by Franklin was magic. I was sitting behind it and the curve on it amazing. It started out a shank than at the "Apex" Came back towards the goal.....
He is not onyl a brute but has some skills...
Sanguinarius
2 Mar 2008, 01:48
on sellar, while I didn't see his first quarter because we were sitting down the other end of the ground, I kept my eye on him in the second and thought the way he played. The goal he got was just luck, but he should have had one from his mark 35m out in front. that would have been two majors to his name and suddenly it looks much rosier
some of his leads seemed to be poorly timed, or to the wrong spots, and that does need to be ironed out, but I do remember on one occasion where he seemed to forget about marking it and instead palmed it down to the waiting McLeod, which struck me as a nice bit of play considering the accute angle the shot would have been on (though I *think* macca ended up kicking a point anyway.
that said I think most of his negative points are the types of things that can be ironed out in the sanfl
James_37
2 Mar 2008, 03:00
Great game, frustrating at times, esp. the umpiring, how was Edwards shot on goal, at atleast they did give that 50 to Moran after the one Bock gave away. Just a few thoughts:
Mackay: This bloke is amazing, round one please...
Tippet: Similar, rated Sellar above him for rd 1, but now definitely Tippet, would just love to see him play a full game up there, looks like a Carey type in the making, just go long and direct to him and he'll mark it.
Truck: AA FB.
Stiffy: and thats just talking about him, let alone watching:D
Bock: AA CHB.
Mcgregor: okay early, exposed for pace later on though, got lead to the ball too many times, he's just too one dimensional up forward, still in our 22, but not for too long IMO.
Shirley: Disapointing really, sticks his head yes, but disposal was not good, sold teammates into trouble, hand-balled to their feet etc. has his role though, maybe its just rust.
Sellar: Probably could do with some SANFL time, but SANFL reserves Drummond is a touch harsh.
Edwards: Super goal for a super player.
Griffen: loved his Mcleod like weave through the middle in the last quarter
Moran: Solid in the first half, rucks will still be a weak point this year I think, maybe not fatally weak, but just against those teams with strong rucks.
Porplyzia: CLASS!!!
Thompson: I reckon some money on him for the brownlow wouldn't be a bad thing, my only criticism of his game is that he still burns a lot of his kicks, if he could get them up to scratch, he would definitely enter the most elite of brackets of midfielders.
Really impressive by the team, whilst it is only preseason, all you doomsdayers who say Craig and co had no idea with list development/management, no chance of a premiership for 5 years, need have a little faith once in a while. Future looks good when a crows midfield lacking an established ruckman, as well as Edwards, Goodwin, Ricciuto can beat a midfield led by established stars Hodge and Mitchell. We may not win the premiership this year, but we will give a good account of ourselves. Oh and those poor saints, having to relive another GF loss to the hands of the Crows, what a way to celebrate 10 years on!
Wayne's-World
2 Mar 2008, 05:24
What a great game of footy last night
My thoughts will different from a lot posted as I thought there were two very good sides playing good footy ......and with that came periods where Hawthorn had a run and times we dominated.
Of course the number of interchange players and experimental positions tried by coaches also changes the game ....so we have to keep this in perspective .....eg did Macleod play at all in the second half?
With each game the pace and intensity has lifted ....and with that players have had less time and some younger players have been exposed ........Sellar & Vinces fumbling of balls that against Collingwood they were one grabbing everything ......but they had more time.
My pet hate watching TV ATM is not knowing who is on the field and whose on the bench ........Iam sure that during AFL broadcasts simply scrolling across the screen interchanges as they occur would provide much needed info to the supporters.
We criticize players for being quiet .....when in fact they probably haven't been on the ground:rolleyes:
Griffin:
I'll reiterate my thoughts that he is far away our best ruckman ......his leap is getting clean hands to ball and directing taps to players. Whereas Maric is not leaping well or agressively at the contest ATM ......not sure why because that's been a strength of his.
Anyway Maric when he gets taps is not directing anywhere as well as Griffin ....simply directional pushes.
Griffin showed tonight that he has improved dramatically on last year .....he's stronger, fitter and around the ground is going to be a real asset ......last week he must have layed IIRC 4 effective tackles.
Mackay:
Agree with all he's all class ....and the club must and I think will foster that talent by picking him round 1 .......particularly against a quick side like the Bulldogs.
Haven't seen a player hit the AFL scene with the Crows like this since Johncock debuted.
Tippett:
Like Mackay all class ......as I said previously has that X factor ........couple of little shovelling out of passes from the bottom of packs was real smart thinking.
So he can do it at ground level, take a contested mark .....has shown he has some footy smarts ....and can ruck or play forward.
Haven't had someone like him ever in the Crows history ......and you can pencil him in for round 1 now!
Macgregor:
I differ from many here that I thought Kenny played an excellent game ......and he's probably playing the best footy AP that he has for 3 years.
Yes he fell out of the game in the 2nd half .....but it's PS and he did a lot of tough inside work in the first half ......that's just conditioning.
Shirley:
Yes rusty .....started last season PS just as bad ......and seemed to get better from the run.
Read nothing into last nights game
Moran:
Thought his body work last week was excellent ....tonight he was too tentative ......but he's a work in progress and he'll learn from that.
Still has some good attributes that'll make him a good asset in the future.
Thompson:
Big game .....big performance
I just love him down forwrd ....but tonight he got deep down in defence as well to help the defenders .....so he obviously worked his butt off out there.
Reilly:
As an experienced player ......he needed a good performance to support the less experienced midfield .....thought his performance was below par.
Douglas:
Again not sure of how much game time he got .......but I thought his first half performance was 50% up on last week.
Not the qty of ball as he got a reasonable amount last week as well .....but he was sharper, one grab and precise with his disposal.
Some good inside work with intelligent handball.
Didn't see him in 2nd half .....was he on the ground much?
Sellar:
Look his performance would indicate no to round 1 ......but the way he is playing his footy is excellent ......he's at the contest, he's using his bulk and that's fantastic becuase as a future power forwrd we need a plyer to use his bulk .....and he chases with real intent to tackle.
But ATM I don't think he has taken a a high mark ......and he's not getting it enough.
But again at 18 in 2nd season he's a 100% better than last year ......so his future is exciting .....very exciting!
Porplyzia:
I still never understood his delisting as a rookie ......I could see at the time he had footy class ....his performances for West Adelaide showed class.
If the club spruiks about project players ........and they perservered with Smith for 5 years ........why the FK did they dump him after 1 year .....what based on fitness.
You know it was luck we never lost him to another club :thumbsd:
Club stuffed up on that one as this kid is getting better and better .......just loving him in the midfield ........he's kicking those long low drop punts, quick thru the air that our forwrads are going to love.
Bock/Rutten:
Going into the season with both defensive KPP already in AA form is a great start to a good year.
Symes:
Like hand in glove ....so has Symes transition been to the Crows.
His game suits Craigs gamestyle brilliantly ........he's working his butt of AP.
Knights:
Quiet game .......not alot wrong ....just a quiet one.
Vince:
Think he dispelled tonight that he couldn't perform in a tight fast game .....
Just a good thinker, good skills .....and a player still with a big upside.
NikkiNoo
2 Mar 2008, 07:29
lol...
P.P.S Rutten :eek: Can we have him?
Ahh No. :D
On this though, anyone else listening to the twats on 5aa after the game talking about our supposed lack of depth? I believe it was McDermot (who else :rolleyes:) that made the ridiculous statement that we have no replacement if we lose a Rutten or McLeod to injury.
Now I can think of only two other teams that have a FB of quality like Rutten and I can't see any depth those two teams have to cover either Scarlett or Glass....
McLeod, hmm how many other teams have a two time norm smith medalist playing in their reserves? Haven't they been watching the pre-season games where we have not been playing macca in the backlines at all until the third quarter for a short period last night? We have a guy called Graham Johncock that appears to be kinda handy and Symes seems to play there quite well too to provide run.
jenny61_99
2 Mar 2008, 08:33
What a great game and even better outcome. :D The best thing by far that came out of this game was our determination to win. Hawks got 1 point up in third and we kicked on, then Hawks fought back in 4th to be within 4 pts, and we responded again. REALLY good signs!
Now the players:
Griffin:
Did some really good things for the very short time he was on. I'll be surprised if he isn't a part of the starting ruck pair come Round 1.
Maric:
I actually thought Maric worked extremely hard tonight and was quite effective in ruck. I find it hard to believe that some have questionned his value.
Mackay:
Still excited with this player, such poise and class. Body is still very small and may let him down if given significant game time early on. Wouldn't be surprised to see him eased in (knowing what Craig is like with his new players), but I think he's done enough to at least earn a spot for R1.
Tippett:
Really excited about this fella, would like to see him get more game time though.
Macgregor:
Kenny played well again tonight, but with Burton in, definitely had a different role (wasn't the go-to man). Kicked a cracker of a goal after showing some great persistance AND defensive work (which I often criticise him for not doing).
Shirley:
Wasn't a great game, seemed not quite up to speed. Will probably get another run next week though.
Doughty:
Much quieter game from Dogga this week I thought.
Moran:
Did he get much game time? Didn't see too much of him other than a kick to top of goal square where Burton had two opponents.
Thompson:
For me, this was a MUCH better performance than last week. He oozed class and made good decisions most of the night. Love seeing him kick goals too.
Reilly:
Very, very quiet night. Uncharacteristic.
Douglas:
I'm developing a soft spot for this young bloke. Looking better and better. His main fault is not enough pace, but if he starts making better decisions (which he did in this game I thought), his lack of pace won't be a problem.
VB:
With Thommo, one of our best by far.
Sellar:
At just 18 years old, this kid WILL develop into something special. He has such a mature ready-to-play body, but his mind is not quite right, yet. Would like to see him get games this year, but perhaps not just yet. Also, was made harder for him because of having Burton and Kenny Mc up forward. (Looked better when it was just him and Kenny).
Porplyzia:
Well, I LOVE the Porps, but thought his first half was one he'd rather forget! Ineffective tackles, panicking when under pressure, poor kicks. I wrote in my game assessment at half time "Porps not on tonight, seems to be running at half pace". Second half was marginally better, made look FAR better by his two goals in the closing minutes of the game.
Bock/Rutten:
Both very solid again. I thought Rutten was the wrong choice for Buddy, luckily Buddy wasn't having a great first three quarters! Bock had a corker of a game.
Symes:
Really, really like the look of this one. Seemed to be everywhere! Got caught once or twice, but he will improve on the pace and decision making with more game time.
Knights:
Very, very quiet. Loved his 9 pointer (as a result of an intercept by Stevens who handpassed to Porps who passed to Knights).
Vince:
I think he'd have to be close for an opening spot come Round 1?
Goodwin/McLeod/Edwards:
Thought they were used sparingly tonight, Goody probably the quietest of the three. Noticed Macca and Edwards went on to the ball late in that 2nd quarter when we were getting thrashed. All will probably get more responsibility in next weeks game.
Burton:
A good night that could have been so much better! Fantastic mark :D:thumbsu:
Stiffy:
Great night! It's an awesome defensive unit!
All in all I thought it was a great TEAM effort, and a good coaching effort too!
PS. Loved seeing Ben Hart being a part of it all again... even if as a coach.
TheLeftFist8
2 Mar 2008, 08:57
I agree with a lot of what W-W said...
For mine Griffin is currently our best ruckman, and i think this gap will widen as the year progresses. Personally, i am not sold on Maric as a top-tier AFL ruckman. I reckon he will be 'good' at best, not 'great'. I appreciate he did a little more around the ground last night (though Griffin was classier imo) and he is still our best option at the boundary which is important, but i rarely see him effectively beat the opposition in the ball-ups thus forcing the midfielders to play to losing taps. It is clear in their thoughts that Maric is currently ranked 1 and he will get his chance to prove it first up against Bulldogs but i would love to see Moran given more of a chance in ruck along with his defensive development.
Sellar looks great to me...not in the 22 for R1 i would suspect, and rightly so, but the future is bright. Tippett, whose future looks equally as exciting, for R1.
Moran is the one guy i feel wont make R1 but i wish there was room for him. Astute recruiting from what i have seen. For a guy 'newish' to the game/late starter, he reads the play very well, is reasonably composed in traffic, has sure hands and decent foot skills for a 200cm guy, great speed and athleticism, and a couple times i focussed on him in defence and his ability to stick right behind a fast leading opponent was better than any of other key defenders. Also, regarding the contest with Roughead, i actually think it looked worse than what it was. Both he and Roughead made good side contact and both rebounded equally (maybe he should've tried a different tactic given the ball was favouring Roughead's side but he wasn't knocked away easily) but then the Crows 3rd man up actually prevented Moran from making a decent attempt to spoil.
Along with Sellar, i think Douglas should be wearing black and gold at the start of the season. Very slow improvement and both Vince and Mackay are better atm. Disappointing pre-season but as a Glenelg supporter we are looking strong for R1 though i obviously hope those boys are good enough to be selected for Crows sooner rather than later.
Hasn't Doughty complicated selections with his above-average pre-season?! I really don't feel there is room for Doughty, Shirley, Massie in the one side and given the youngsters development I'd love to only see one of them (my bias is towards Massie who is a tough as nails mid like Shirley but can also play down back). Given Massie has had a minimal pre-season he has missed his R1 boat unfortunately. That leaves the others. I know both will be selected but I'd only select one, with Doughty perhaps outgunning the less prepared Shirley. I know Shirley finished last year very well but his overall year was typically average with many earlier games where his 'tagging' was ineffectual...gonna be an interesting start to the year.
Finally, MACKAY MUST PLAY! If we want to release McLeod forward, this guy must play, and we can thank Cyril Rioli for making this obvious. Most sides will have at least 2 smallish forwards in their structures at any given time, one deep and one at half forward. Johncock obviously takes the deep player but who plays that half back role? ALL our other options (bar McLeod) are either required in the middle or simply do not have the pace and class to go with a player such as Rioli (who looks a superstar in the making). All first half we saw various blokes try to stay with him including Goodwin and Edwards but he always looked dangerous due to his speed. I was screaming for Mackay to be brought on with his speed, class, vision, smarts, rebound and skills. Once on in the second half he played 34% game time for 10 disposals at 100% effectiveness. We have the talls plus Johncock down back. For balance we also need Mackay.
KingsCrow
2 Mar 2008, 09:49
Tell me, whats the point in winning a nab cup game if you don't give youngesters a fair go
In keeping with the title of the thread, I thought it was very interesting how Neil Craig utilised the interchange bench. It was almost as if we had two separate teams of 22 players (as per a normal game).
Bassett played the first half, replaced by Moran in the second.
Maric swapped with Griffin.
Douglas swapped with MacKay
The other one I haven't quite worked out. Tippett didn't seem to play much in the first half, but Sellar seemed to be on the ground for most of the game. Was probably more like 2/3 Sellar, 1/3 Tippett (though Tippett also spent some time in the ruck).
NikkiNoo
2 Mar 2008, 10:45
Vader - Tippett was Maric's relieving ruckman for the first half and spent a small amount of time up forward as well. Sellar was on for pretty well the whole first half in the forward line.
Having a look in the paper this morning at our stats, I was a little surprised to see Maric and Griffin both with 11 hit outs next to their name. But then with Griffin, he used to ball much more effectively. I'd like to thank Matthew Clarke for moulding him well over the pre season :thumbsu:
Markthirtytwo
2 Mar 2008, 11:08
Having a look in the paper this morning at our stats, I was a little surprised to see Maric and Griffin both with 11 hit outs next to their name. But then with Griffin, he used to ball much more effectively. I'd like to thank Matthew Clarke for moulding him well over the pre season :thumbsu:
Just on that, I believe Maric won those taps, but they roved to him better than we did. Whether that's his problem at not hitting the spot, not sure.
But his first half effort was excellent from my point of view.
He only had one blemish and that was taking his eye of the ball resulting in a turnover. But even experienced players do that.
Griffen being a more of a tap ruckman was very good. But his second and third efforts made if even better. Top effort.
Just on that, I believe Maric won those taps, but they roved to him better than we did. Whether that's his problem at not hitting the spot, not sure.
But his first half effort was excellent from my point of view.
He only had one blemish and that was taking his eye of the ball resulting in a turnover. But even experienced players do that.
Griffen being a more of a tap ruckman was very good. But his second and third efforts made if even better. Top effort.
Yeah that's the difference I noted at the game. Even though Maric was winning hit outs, they weren't being directed as well as what Griffin's were.
And on your last point :thumbsu: I noticed that too, he's getting down on the ground and getting in there after the ball, something Hudson did well.
P.P.S How good is my boy Hodgey? Never gets any credit but I love him.
The umpires and the commentators certainly knew he was out there.
Southerntakeover
2 Mar 2008, 14:38
I’m assuming they’ll all play the majority of the second half and perhaps guys like Vince, Tippett and Maric will take a seat. Maybe he’s putting them “head to head” to see who performs the best but personally I can’t understand the logic.
Its an interesting scenario.
My first thoughts reading this is that it may have had something to do with the interchange limits? Perhaps its easier to just put someone on for a half and leave em, than continously change them and eat up the allocated 16?
Actually my thoughts was that craig is still trying to prep them for the real season.
Maric will have to ruck 18 minutes at a time, over at least a 2 quarter period. So, that's what he was letting Maric do. And the same for the Griffatron. Leave the rucks on for a half each, they will need to in the real world.
Markthirtytwo
2 Mar 2008, 16:15
Actually watching Rioli, and I know it's just one pre season game, but by golly Dangerfield must be pretty good. :eek:
based on he has the capability to do so and he has played that role numerous times for the doggies last year in the SANFL
nothing in other words.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
what as waste of a perfectly good tax payers education. :)
My pet hate watching TV ATM is not knowing who is on the field and whose on the bench ........Iam sure that during AFL broadcasts simply scrolling across the screen interchanges as they occur would provide much needed info to the supporters.
We criticize players for being quiet .....when in fact they probably haven't been on the ground:rolleyes:
spot on. :thumbsu:
Shirley:
Yes rusty .....started last season PS just as bad ......and seemed to get better from the run.
Read nothing into last nights game
you're right it was the same last year, and the year before that.
Teams don't tag in the pre-season.
The Crows Truth
2 Mar 2008, 22:44
what as waste of a perfectly good tax payers education. :)
a little hint for you crow mos. when paying out on academic achievement or intellectual ability it is always advisable to try and form a coherent sentence to maximise the effect. :D
The Crows Truth
2 Mar 2008, 22:47
barring injury the round 1 team looks pretty settled:
griffen and maric to ruck
tippett to play forward and provide ruck back up
vince and mc kay to fight it out for one spot. hard to go past mckay at this point
douglas and sellar to miss
great preseason from the boys on all fronts :thumbsu:
what as waste of a perfectly good tax payers education. :)
What a waste of oxygen.
a little hint for you crow mos. when paying out on academic achievement or intellectual ability it is always advisable to try and form a coherent sentence to maximise the effect. :D
tell you what, when I need advice from the likes of you I'll start to re-assess things. ;)
I still believe Tipps is a top class player in the making.
As i do young Mackay.
Douglas still has a way to go but is trying hard.
As does Sellar.
Once & no more if you please Mr Moran.
Our number one ruckman done ok in the 2nd half.
Once again our mid-field showed us that we have the players for the future to replace the old guard.
Bock: Injury, or a ridiculously biased selection panel ;)
Douglas: I don't think you're giving him enough credit. Didn't get a heap of the ball, but was miles better than last week. Used it reasonably well, apart from in front of the sticks, and did some really good stuff in close. A very solid game for him, especially in the first half, where he appeared to get far more gametime. Agree about his tackles - and the opposition seem to know that they can run through him too.
Moran: Yes, I noticed those two incidents, and they weren't particularly pleasing, but there's something to work with here - moves brilliantly for a big man, and I loved how he ran through a couple of smaller blokes when he had the ball, approaching the 50. He can play, and, whilst he's not the hardest bloke out there, he's not Jericho either.
Rutten: I agree - didn't do a lot wrong - 2 of Franklins goals were crumbed and dribbled through and would have been kicked on any other full back in the league, and 2 others were from ridiculous angles near the 50: right where Rutten would want him. I thought Rutten played him really well, and, until the last quarter when Franklin started pulling goals out of his arse, was clearly on top.
Sellar: Agreed. He can play, and he's agressive, so I'm a fan, but if he doesn't mark it then he won't kick a goal. Not that he doesn't try - his second efforts are great - he's just seemingly awful below his knees and goes to ground way too easily. When the marks start sticking, and he kicks straight, he'll be something, but he needs time.
Tippett: Gun.
Great post btw :thumbsu:
ur joking aren't u? Bock isn't that good, the guy will get killed on the turnover if the other team gets the ball, sure it's good to run off your man occasionally but not all the time. He is key position so he should play like one. Franklin kicks goals out of his arse? u obviously havent seen hawthorn play because buddy kicks goals like he did satday nite all the time, the guy is a freak and one of a kind footballer. I sense he was only half interested in the game as a fully focused and firing franklin would make mince meat of rutten who is to slow for him, look what he did in the last quarter, rutten didn't look so great then.
RoosterLad
5 Mar 2008, 14:50
lol awsum post m8
Peri Peri Sauce
5 Mar 2008, 14:52
ur joking aren't u? Bock isn't that good, the guy will get killed on the turnover if the other team gets the ball, sure it's good to run off your man occasionally but not all the time. He is key position so he should play like one. Franklin kicks goals out of his arse? u obviously havent seen hawthorn play because buddy kicks goals like he did satday nite all the time, the guy is a freak and one of a kind footballer. I sense he was only half interested in the game as a fully focused and firing franklin would make mince meat of rutten who is to slow for him, look what he did in the last quarter, rutten didn't look so great then.lol.
so if rutten isn't attacking enough to be an AA FB, bock is too attacking to be an AA CHB.
crikey.
James_37
5 Mar 2008, 15:12
ur joking aren't u? Bock isn't that good, the guy will get killed on the turnover if the other team gets the ball, sure it's good to run off your man occasionally but not all the time. He is key position so he should play like one. Franklin kicks goals out of his arse? u obviously havent seen hawthorn play because buddy kicks goals like he did satday nite all the time, the guy is a freak and one of a kind footballer. I sense he was only half interested in the game as a fully focused and firing franklin would make mince meat of rutten who is to slow for him, look what he did in the last quarter, rutten didn't look so great then.
Mate your talking out of your a**e, Bock is that good. End of last year, when he was back at CHB, off the top of my head, he kept Scott Lucas, Travis Cloke, Tim Boyle to basically no possessions, they had no influence whilst himself picking up 20-25 possessions, now I'm not sure how you rate Tim Boyle, but Lucas is a gun, Cloke won collingwoods B&F, Bock IS THAT GOOD. Your just jelous that it looks we actually have some KP defenders who will challenge for AA selection, no wait, your just jelous that we have KP defenders.:p
As for Franklin, he had a dog of a night apart from that last quarter. The goals he kicked were brilliant and absolutely no fault goes to Rutten, Franklin would have kicked those against anyone else, he is unstoppable when he is on, but is also very inconsistent, as you say can seem disinterested at times.
raikkonen
5 Mar 2008, 17:03
It looked like thommo's bounced over the line before coming back too
Nope I was at that end, and it bounced well inside the goal line. :thumbsd:
And on the two halves thing, had a certain feel to it similar to that of the Australia-England friendly in 2003 (?). Where Sven-Goran subbed off his whole first team at half time, and brought on a fresher 11. Funny thing is, we still won 3-1. :D
Freddy Bassett
5 Mar 2008, 22:58
ur joking aren't u? Bock isn't that good, the guy will get killed on the turnover if the other team gets the ball, sure it's good to run off your man occasionally but not all the time. He is key position so he should play like one. Franklin kicks goals out of his arse? u obviously havent seen hawthorn play because buddy kicks goals like he did satday nite all the time, the guy is a freak and one of a kind footballer. I sense he was only half interested in the game as a fully focused and firing franklin would make mince meat of rutten who is to slow for him, look what he did in the last quarter, rutten didn't look so great then.
We will see sunshine. I certainly wont bag Buddy but you have no idea if you dont rate Bock. I heard biffs like you bagging C.Cornes a few years ago before he won All- Aus selection at CHB. I will put a wager on it Bock gets All-Aus this year and up and down buddy doesnt!:p
Dandy_GO
5 Mar 2008, 23:44
ur joking aren't u? Bock isn't that good, the guy will get killed on the turnover if the other team gets the ball, sure it's good to run off your man occasionally but not all the time. He is key position so he should play like one. Franklin kicks goals out of his arse? u obviously havent seen hawthorn play because buddy kicks goals like he did satday nite all the time, the guy is a freak and one of a kind footballer. I sense he was only half interested in the game as a fully focused and firing franklin would make mince meat of rutten who is to slow for him, look what he did in the last quarter, rutten didn't look so great then.
The only point worth addressing there, amongst that steaming pile of so and so you posted, is that, yes, we all rate Buddy - what Adelaide fan wouldn't after that elimination final? We would kill to have a young forward as talented as him. So perhaps "pulling goals out of his arse" wasn't the best way of putting it, as we've seen on countless occassions that he's more than capable of kicking them from ridiculous angles. As others have mentioned though, he doesn't have the consistancy - even in his goalkicking (see 2 goals 11 against the Dogs), and you never know when he'll turn it on and start kicking freakish goals. Rutten consistantly beat him in the air, and only conceeded goals from very very tough angles - ie right where Rutten would be trying to push him to lead - and from crumbs off the back of mistakes by teammates. Hence, I believe that Rutten played a very good game, and was somewhat unlucky not to come away with a clean sheet.
The only point worth addressing there, amongst that steaming pile of so and so you posted, is that, yes, we all rate Buddy - what Adelaide fan wouldn't after that elimination final? We would kill to have a young forward as talented as him. So perhaps "pulling goals out of his arse" wasn't the best way of putting it, as we've seen on countless occassions that he's more than capable of kicking them from ridiculous angles. As others have mentioned though, he doesn't have the consistancy - even in his goalkicking (see 2 goals 11 against the Dogs), and you never know when he'll turn it on and start kicking freakish goals. Rutten consistantly beat him in the air, and only conceeded goals from very very tough angles - ie right where Rutten would be trying to push him to lead - and from crumbs off the back of mistakes by teammates. Hence, I believe that Rutten played a very good game, and was somewhat unlucky not to come away with a clean sheet.
yea i agree he played a good game but let's not get carried away, rutten is a good backman don't get me wrong but i don't think he was or is the right match-up for franklin day in day out. believe it or not the bloke i think would be a good match up is brett burten the reason being he is tallish, athletic, great agility and is also freakish as u guys prob already know. this won't happen because u guys need him in the forward line. I think buddy would be intimidated with someone who has the similar type of traits as him, anyway good win but it won't happen again.