Good webpage - dreamteamers and Timmy bashers alike.

[FatBoy's Wombats]

For those who haven't found it check out this webpage

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/gameday/0,,5014376,00.html

Just a few things from the stats.

How effective is Sam Mitchell - 95%
11 inside 50's for Luke Hodge also 11 contested possesions, he is absolutely flying.
Efficiency for Tim Clarke 75% by no means a disgrace also 10 uncotested possesions, shows you what a good tank can do.
6 tackles for Stokes
6 clearances for Sammy and Jordan

20 possies for X Ellis and by far the best game for the club. How dalsanto does he look when he shows them the ball, does abit of a spin and runs away with the other player scratching their head. Smart footballer, great skills.

Somebody also said ladson is the clanger king yet 93% effectiveness in his first game back! Since a lot of people judge players from one game that certainly puts him upthere as having some of the better skills at the club.

[Cynic]

Somebody also said ladson is the clanger king yet 93% effectiveness in his first game back! Since a lot of people judge players from one game that certainly puts him upthere as having some of the better skills at the club.

Really? Wow. I suppose Ladson is playing in a position that could be filled by a youngster no doubt.

[FatBoy's Wombats]

Now now don't be so cynical:D

Just nice to see what happens in a game really shows up in the stats and you can use some nice data to support your carefully considered opinion. Also good to see Ossie get some touch back.

I think if you look at how much uncontested ball tim clarke gets you will see why AC loves him. His sheer amount of uncontested ball unlike any other player in the AFL is due to the amount of gut running he does week in week out. Not only does he play a good defensive sut down role but his running hurts, yes hurts teams the other way. Whereas if you see a player like Didak win uncontested ball, you know it is because he couldn't be stuffed chasing his man and working on the facet of his game he is hopeless at, being defensive.

Having Tim Clarke in the side through running ability alone is like having another half a player in the side. Beleive it or not there is more to AFL football then a penetrating kick or bulk.

[JezzHawk]

It really depend who is on him.

He has not develop a hurt factor into his game. His disposal are ordinary in this modern game and rarely wins the contested possession when it counts.

A frustrating player to watch at times.

His assest are off field by all reports.

[FatBoy's Wombats]

His hurt factor is a lot better than your english!

[Brishawk]

AFL average for kicking efficiency is 78% making Timmy's 75% below average. This is especially poor for outside players such as Tim and doubly so considering he kicks short so often. Tim's career best efficiency was 76% back in 2006. Tim has never been statisticaly rated an average kick or better.

[FatBoy's Wombats]

Source?

[Beckers]

AFL average for kicking efficiency is 78% making Timmy's 75% below average. This is especially poor for outside players such as Tim and doubly so considering he kicks short so often. Tim's career best efficiency was 76% back in 2006. Tim has never been statisticaly rated an average kick or better.
:thumbsu: IF there really is such a thing as an outside mid, then their foot skills are generally sublime like Lonies, Craig Bradley, Clint Young etc. Tim has no hurt factor by foot and his decision making is poor at times.

[Cynic]

:thumbsu: IF there really is such a thing as an outside mid, then their foot skills are generally sublime like Lonies, Craig Bradley, Clint Young etc. Tim has no hurt factor by foot and his decision making is poor at times.

Acceptable view but does that mean Bateman has no place in our team?

[Beckers]

Acceptable view but does that mean Bateman has no place in our team?

I think Changa has a few more strings to his bow. Tim has played an important role for the team in 2006 and before, but i think his games will be limited in 2008 if we go ok with injuries.

[FatBoy's Wombats]

Sorry Beckers your wrong. Bookmark it!

[Brishawk]

Source?

Check out the AFL prospectus - it is a bloody good read even if you are not interested in fantasy footy. :thumbsu:

Just on Bateman - he carries the ball through the corridor often and also runs hard to similar positions. Can also play as a forward inside the 50 (better mark and lead). More damaging than Clarke despite having similarly bad efficiencies. Bateman's kicking has only dropped below average in the last two seasons - previously he was an average or above average kick. I wonder if all his hamstring injuries have affected his kicking? While I agree Bateman burns the ball at times, he is still a more effective player at this stage than Clarke. I just wish he would learn to kick to a player leading towards him!

[hawkstars]

I think that Morton in the near future will overtake timmy. He has a good motor, takes grabs and has a good kick. I think timmy's only attribute is his motor.

[Leather Poisoning]

Stats are an interesting thing. They are objective until you interpret them. Clarke is often criticised for his disposal, yet these stats show 75% effectiveness, which is higher than Hodge, Sewell, Goo, Birch etc.

HOWEVER.

Timmy Clarke had 12 possies.

Only 5 of these were kicks

1 of these kicks stands out in my mind as a disaster.

That leaves you with a running player (yes I know, a tagger) that has only had 4 effective kicks in a match. Personally, I want to see more from Timmy. I was really quite happy with his game against Carlton - he seemed to position himself quite well. But against Adelaide I think it's safe to say he didn't play as well.

I really worry about him gut running to position himself for a mark out wide on the flank. Rarely do I notice anything good coming of this move - typically the Tim takes a while to kick it, and when he does it's without much penetration.

Let's give him a bit of time though - He did have most of last season on the sidelines - he's probably sill just working his way in again.

[FatBoy's Wombats]

Thanks for that Bris Hawk.

Good comments LP he isn't our best player or even in the top 10. I am a massive Changa fan as well he can waste the ball at times but he is solid, quick and has a massive heart. I guess where you see Tim get those marks running wid,e most other players would play on in the same situation or kick over the lines with a penetrating kick. Maybe his team mates need to know his limitations and work for their man. The important thing is that he provides a target which most of his team mates couldn't. Which in our game plan comes in handy.

[FatBoy's Wombats]

I think (insert first-second year palyer) will take over from (insert more experienced player) soon.

Maybe we should make a whole seperate board for these types of posts, even make a template so all you have to do is insert a name. Improvment comes from youth but not everyone makes it. Having said that I think morton looks good. Similar size to Birch and seems a player.

[Tricky]

I didn't get to see the Adelaide game on the TV :(

I am a big believer in the value of the effective kicks (not so much the total disposals, as backward handballs to a clear man inflate this artificially) and contested posessions stats.

I can see the value of playing Timmy on a big ground, especially if Hank and Changa aren't around. Otherwise, forget it.

I am not sold by Clinton Young. His kicks spin really nicely in the air but how often are they precise? His kicking for goal has gone backwards, he can't tackle, usually gets beaten at one-on-ones, and he freezes when in defensive 50.

We can't afford to play 4 physically low ipact players (add Ellis and Ladson to that mix, but they aren't as bad). Even Guerra for all his supposed hardness, gets most of his ball uncontested. Birchall too.

IMO - no way we'll win a flag with them all.

[Leather Poisoning]

Thanks for that Bris Hawk.

Good comments LP he isn't our best player or even in the top 10. I am a massive Changa fan as well he can waste the ball at times but he is solid, quick and has a massive heart. I guess where you see Tim get those marks running wid,e most other players would play on in the same situation or kick over the lines with a penetrating kick. Maybe his team mates need to know his limitations and work for their man. The important thing is that he provides a target which most of his team mates couldn't. Which in our game plan comes in handy.

Good point.

If he moved it on more quickly I'd consider it quite an asset.

[Beckers]

I didn't get to see the Adelaide game on the TV :(

I am a big believer in the value of the effective kicks (not so much the total disposals, as backward handballs to a clear man inflate this artificially) and contested posessions stats.

I can see the value of playing Timmy on a big ground, especially if Hank and Changa aren't around. Otherwise, forget it.

I am not sold by Clinton Young. His kicks spin really nicely in the air but how often are they precise? His kicking for goal has gone backwards, he can't tackle, usually gets beaten at one-on-ones, and he freezes when in defensive 50.

We can't afford to play 4 physically low ipact players (add Ellis and Ladson to that mix, but they aren't as bad). Even Guerra for all his supposed hardness, gets most of his ball uncontested. Birchall too.

IMO - no way we'll win a flag with them all.

Good post Tricky!:thumbsu: