View Full Version : What are we doing?
philhawk
3 Mar 2008, 13:28
Seriously, three games into the pre-season cup and we're already calling for de-listings, calling players soft, actually abusing players and even starting to turn on each other.
Since when did we become Richmond fans?
As the mods keep on saying, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but for crying out loud - can't it be done in a mature manner?
OK, a few players have had a rough NAB Cup, but it isn't the be all and end all. One thing to remember is something a West Coast mate of mine told me.
After a couple of seasons on the West Coast list, he thought this player to be possibly the most useless Weagles player of all time (because of poor performances). Fast forward to today and this player is now the captain of the club. Ofcourse, i'm talking about Darren Glass.
Now i'm not saying that all players will turn around their careers like Darren, but each player takes time to reach their potential, nor can anyone do a Chris Judd and explode onto the scene in year one.
Remember, criticism is welcome and definitely wanted after each game. But keep it constructive. We all get heated up after a loss, but stop and think for a second before you press the 'Submit New Thread' button. Re-read what you're writing and think - "Am I going over the top?" or, "Would I say this to a players' face".
That's probably the most important thing. I'm sure that players would love to hear and read constructive criticism written and said about them, but when it gets to the point where they're being called 'useless' and 'the softest player ever', then that's over the top.
Seriously, three games into the pre-season cup and we're already calling for de-listings, calling players soft, actually abusing players and even starting to turn on each other.
Since when did we become Richmond fans?
As the mods keep on saying, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but for crying out loud - can't it be done in a mature manner?
OK, a few players have had a rough NAB Cup, but it isn't the be all and end all. One thing to remember is something a West Coast mate of mine told me.
After a couple of seasons on the West Coast list, he thought this player to be possibly the most useless Weagles player of all time (because of poor performances). Fast forward to today and this player is now the captain of the club. Ofcourse, i'm talking about Darren Glass.
Now i'm not saying that all players will turn around their careers like Darren, but each player takes time to reach their potential, nor can anyone do a Chris Judd and explode onto the scene in year one.
Remember, criticism is welcome and definitely wanted after each game. But keep it constructive. We all get heated up after a loss, but stop and think for a second before you press the 'Submit New Thread' button. Re-read what you're writing and think - "Am I going over the top?" or, "Would I say this to a players' face".
That's probably the most important thing. I'm sure that players would love to hear and read constructive criticism written and said about them, but when it gets to the point where they're being called 'useless' and 'the softest player ever', then that's over the top.
thank you so much for these considered comments, I was about to give up altogether on BigFooty because I do understand the mentality of some of the comments. I have been PP&Paid up for 47 years, and while I can get as disappointed as the next supporter, criticising and name calling are just over the top
Seriously, three games into the pre-season cup and we're already calling for de-listings, calling players soft, actually abusing players and even starting to turn on each other.
Since when did we become Richmond fans?
As the mods keep on saying, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but for crying out loud - can't it be done in a mature manner?
OK, a few players have had a rough NAB Cup, but it isn't the be all and end all. One thing to remember is something a West Coast mate of mine told me.
After a couple of seasons on the West Coast list, he thought this player to be possibly the most useless Weagles player of all time (because of poor performances). Fast forward to today and this player is now the captain of the club. Ofcourse, i'm talking about Darren Glass.
Now i'm not saying that all players will turn around their careers like Darren, but each player takes time to reach their potential, nor can anyone do a Chris Judd and explode onto the scene in year one.
Remember, criticism is welcome and definitely wanted after each game. But keep it constructive. We all get heated up after a loss, but stop and think for a second before you press the 'Submit New Thread' button. Re-read what you're writing and think - "Am I going over the top?" or, "Would I say this to a players' face".
That's probably the most important thing. I'm sure that players would love to hear and read constructive criticism written and said about them, but when it gets to the point where they're being called 'useless' and 'the softest player ever', then that's over the top.
Nice one Phil, none of us want to be told what to type, as many responses have complained, but if you can state your opinions in an intelligent manner, then we're more than happy to read them, even if they are negative...but calling for delistings prior to the season commencing is difficult to respect.
And I REALLY hope we aren't going to cop a "delist Zac" thread every week. If you need to let off steam, by all means do, but we don't need a new thread every week on it.
I knew we were in for a good year on Bigfooty after reading the comments after we won our first pre-season match of the year.
I think heavy use of the ignore list and maybe staying away for a few days after a loss might be the go.
I agree - if the pay wasn't so good I wouldn't post here at all.
Seriously, three games into the pre-season cup and we're already calling for de-listings, calling players soft, actually abusing players and even starting to turn on each other.
Since when did we become Richmond fans?
As the mods keep on saying, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but for crying out loud - can't it be done in a mature manner?
OK, a few players have had a rough NAB Cup, but it isn't the be all and end all. One thing to remember is something a West Coast mate of mine told me.
After a couple of seasons on the West Coast list, he thought this player to be possibly the most useless Weagles player of all time (because of poor performances). Fast forward to today and this player is now the captain of the club. Ofcourse, i'm talking about Darren Glass.
Now i'm not saying that all players will turn around their careers like Darren, but each player takes time to reach their potential, nor can anyone do a Chris Judd and explode onto the scene in year one.
Remember, criticism is welcome and definitely wanted after each game. But keep it constructive. We all get heated up after a loss, but stop and think for a second before you press the 'Submit New Thread' button. Re-read what you're writing and think - "Am I going over the top?" or, "Would I say this to a players' face".
That's probably the most important thing. I'm sure that players would love to hear and read constructive criticism written and said about them, but when it gets to the point where they're being called 'useless' and 'the softest player ever', then that's over the top.
Well said:thumbsu::thumbsu:
Being new to BF I enjoy the updates on the team and reading the different opinions people have of our mighty hawks.
I certainly believe that we should be able to say "Player A had a poor game last night" in the same way we would say "Player B played a blinder last night!!!"
But the constant threads and abuse of certain players gets tiring...we get it...you don't like him! Obviously Clarko and Pelch see something in them, and for the moment I'm happy to trust their opinions over mine.
Afterall, there is probably a reason why Clarko has the head coaching job at HFC and none of us do!
The hate fueled vitriol has very little to do with on-field performance IMHO. We could be winning cups left, right and centre, and it would still happen. Some folks just target what they believe to be a weak link and unload. It's the nature of their makeup.
Phil, one thing you said about not wanting to be as bad as Richmond supporters raised an eyebrow. I reckon we might want to wake up and smell the roses a little. To think we are above another supporter base is folly. Some of the tripe expressed here lately is black and white evidence of that.
We, like every other supporters of teams, have our share of hot heads and big mouths. The hope of cleaning up the board is honorable, but there are plenty of prize winning, Hawk Supporting, A-Grade f**kwits out there.
And with the next loss, pitchforks in hand, they will lead the parade for the lynching of another under performing player. You better start trembling Tommy Murphy, with your sloppy disposal...:rolleyes:
There is one poster though, who in the past, has provided this forum with so much, but recently has lost all my respect with his mindless, and pointless hating.
I'm a realist though, my respect is right up there with the peso, in regards to major currency.
There are a few players that a bunch of fools have a hitlist on. Everytime they stink it up, they flood this forum with nothing but negative posts. I dont mind if its done in a constructive manner, if they point out their flaws, and actually had an opinion when it came to their positives, but most of it is just plain abuse.
philhawk
3 Mar 2008, 16:00
Hmmmm here we go again.
Mate, what's your issue? I know you're a fan of free speech and all that jazz, but why do you approve of just vitriolic abuse rather than constructive criticism.
philhawk
3 Mar 2008, 16:07
Phil, one thing you said about not wanting to be as bad as Richmond supporters raised an eyebrow. I reckon we might want to wake up and smell the roses a little. To think we are above another supporter base is folly. Some of the tripe expressed here lately is black and white evidence of that.
True, but unlike some other clubs, Wilco, we don't have the stereotype of 'eating our own'. I really hope that it doesn't come to that in the future.
We, like every other supporters of teams, have our share of hot heads and big mouths. The hope of cleaning up the board is honorable, but there are plenty of prize winning, Hawk Supporting, A-Grade f**kwits out there.
Again, you're right Wilco, but what can you do? I think there are two kinds of posters. Those who instinctively like to jump on one of their own (win, loe or draw) and then there are those who are so passionate about the team that they love that they sometimes let the blood rush to the head before they have a chance to think before they right.
Hell, history has shown that i've been one of those fans on the odd occasion.
I think the issue is trying to educate people from here. If anything, our loss against Adelaide was good our fan base here on BF. We can learn from our mistakes and whenever our next loss may be, wont react so harshly to it.
There is one poster though, who in the past, has provided this forum with so much, but recently has lost all my respect with his mindless, and pointless hating.
Wilco, I think I know who you're talking about, but I think you're being very harsh. That poster I feel falls into 'Category B', someone who is so passionate about the club that he just desperately wants to see them win and hates seeing poor performances. What's more, I think you'll find that even that poster is regretful about what was said.
It's a learning experience, I guess.
Fair enough Phil. Being the sheriff aint an easy gig. Being the cool cat with the Black hat is way more fun.:thumbsu:
On the poster, he's a big boy. He can do what he pleases. I am sure what I say/think will hardly keep him up at night.
Fair enough Phil. Being the sheriff aint an easy gig. Being the cool cat with the Black hat is way more fun.:thumbsu:
On the poster, he's a big boy. He can do what he pleases. I am sure what I say/think will hardly keep him up at night.
Ah ha.. that's what you are Wilco.. :rolleyes: :p
Mate, what's your issue? I know you're a fan of free speech and all that jazz, but why do you approve of just vitriolic abuse rather than constructive criticism.
Is there a difference here? Any criticism seems to be filed under "Vitriol"...even if it is constructive.
Just have a no comment policy on anything Hawthorn :p
monhawks
4 Mar 2008, 07:25
Is there a difference here? Any criticism seems to be filed under "Vitriol"...even if it is constructive.
Just have a no comment policy on anything Hawthorn :p
This is right .It's a forum not a lovefest. We all want our team to be better. We have opinions that might well turn out to be right. You should never have blind faith in the clubs coach ,refer last few coaches.I agree there shouldn't be abuse but let's hear everyones opinion.
lethalselbow
4 Mar 2008, 08:06
This is right .It's a forum not a lovefest. We all want our team to be better. We have opinions that might well turn out to be right. You should never have blind faith in the clubs coach ,refer last few coaches.I agree there shouldn't be abuse but let's hear everyones opinion.
I agree. Everybody can have an opinion, but people should keep it within reason and not go over the top. Reasonable disagreement is a what democracy is all about.
That I respect people's right to free speech doesn't mean I have to agree with them :cool: