View Full Version : Vic Park Vs Punces Park
So next week they start pulling down TWO stands at Punces Park that will reduce the Capacity to well below 20,000. This makes Punces Park a Building site when The VFL Magpies play there this year, I maybe stupid but how does this make Punces Park a better place for our youngsters to play out of than Victoria Park?
Vic Parks surface is better due to lack of usage, the Umps use Vic Park 3 days a week to train on and the Fitzroy Reds play 2 or 3 games there a week. Punces Park has both Carlton and The NRL Storm using it to train on 4 -5 days a week. Thats two squads with stops not runners ripping up the surface.
The Sherrin Stand is FINE and Safe as are the other stands and the outer is well, it's Vic Parks outer so it's fine ;) . A former employee of our Club checked out Victoria Park for our VFL team and was well satisfied with it's condition but was over ruled by those higher up the food chain.
Vic Park when compared with Williamstowns Gelilibrand is like comparing Vic Park to the MCG, the MCG is generations ahead as Vic Park is to Gellibrand.
Playing out of Punces Park is only going to water down our Clubs sense of self for the future generations or will it make it easier for certain people to re-position our club. It just seems someone has decided they have the full faith of the nuff nuffs and can do what they want on our behalf.
We may have a great bank account but did you know our win/loss ratio has gone downward at the fastest rate in our history over the past 10 years.
So next week they start pulling down TWO stands at Punces Park that will reduce the Capacity to well below 20,000. This makes Punces Park a Building site when The VFL Magpies play there this year, I maybe stupid but how does this make Punces Park a better place for our youngsters to play out of than Victoria Park?
Vic Parks surface is better due to lack of usage, the Umps use Vic Park 3 days a week to train on and the Fitzroy Reds play 2 or 3 games there a week. Punces Park has both Carlton and The NRL Storm using it to train on 4 -5 days a week. Thats two squads with stops not runners ripping up the surface.
The Sherrin Stand is FINE and Safe as are the other stands and the outer is well, it's Vic Parks outer so it's fine ;) . A former employee of our Club checked out Victoria Park for our VFL team and was well satisfied with it's condition but was over ruled by those higher up the food chain.
Vic Park when compared with Williamstowns Gelilibrand is like comparing Vic Park to the MCG, the MCG is generations ahead as Vic Park is to Gellibrand.
Playing out of Punces Park is only going to water down our Clubs sense of self for the future generations or will it make it easier for certain people to re-position our club. It just seems someone has decided they have the full faith of the nuff nuffs and can do what they want on our behalf.
We may have a great bank account but did you know our win/loss ratio has gone downward at the fastest rate in our history over the past 10 years.
As much as I would absolutely love top see the black and White guernsey don Vic Park again, I really do believe it will just cost us too much.
Unfortunately the Ryder stand needs to be pulled down. It is just not safe. The toilet facilities also need to be majorly upgraded and these things need to happen along with the removal of alot of rubbish still behind the R.T.Rush stand.
If Collingwood were to chase down this option it would have to be them that had to foot this bill as the council arent going to financially support the move. If it were a long term option I think Collingwood would more seriously look at this option but with the evolution of the game continuing at such a fast rate I truly believe that within 10 years we may be seeing all of the Victorian clubs having their own VFL teams playing curtain raisers to every game in Victoria, obviously playing with much better facilities that are upto current AFL standards.
If the Collingwood council had smartened up years ago, they would have ensured the grounds facilities were upgraded to allow it to be a usable venue for current day sport. Its a sad situation and disappointing not only for the Collingwood Football clubs heratige but the suburb of Collingwoods heratige and future business prospects. Many heads should be hung in shame.
TheGeneral
8 Mar 2008, 13:53
Punces Park has both Carlton and The NRL Storm using it to train on 4 -5 days a week. Thats two squads with stops not runners ripping up the surface.
Yesterday - Link to give credit to the supporter who took the photo (http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=677551&highlight=#677551)
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o157/rhys87/DSC00651.jpg
Unsure of why the photo proves anything but the point that was being made. Wear and tear along the boundary before the season even starts. 2 stands to be pulled down... I think the ground is going to be a mess in about 10 weeks time with the construction, training and game days it will be very interesting to watch.
chelsworthgale
8 Mar 2008, 14:14
Geez... where to start picking this to bits...
Tess I think you need to put your bias opinions behind you and think about what you are saying here. At the end of the day Princes Park (please remember to spell it correctly) IS being redeveloped and in stages. Having been in both change rooms in recent years when playing on both grounds I can tell you the change rooms in the Heroes Stand and the Pratt stand are well above anything that is at Vic Park (the change rooms we were in were at the Train station end).
Additionally having the capacity in decent stands particularly the Legends Stand enables a decent crowd to attend. Surface wise it is much of a muchness. At the end of the day training does virtually nothing to the surfaces it is match day that degrades the grounds the most. Additionally the maintenance purse at PP is bigger than at VP hence the reason why VP is not utilised so much.
The Royal Sampler
8 Mar 2008, 14:22
Time to change the record, Tess, this one has several scratches in it. :rolleyes:
If Vic Park was to be developed into a proper standard ground we would probably have to play at Princes Park for a year anyway as there would be an even smaller than 20,000 capacity at VP while it is redeveloped.
chelsworthgale
8 Mar 2008, 15:20
If Vic Park was to be developed into a proper standard ground we would probably have to play at Princes Park for a year anyway as there would be an even smaller than 20,000 capacity at VP while it is redeveloped.
but it would be unfeasible as you would need to redevelop nearly the entire ground with the social club possibly being the exception...
but it would be unfeasible as you would need to redevelop nearly the entire ground with the social club possibly being the exception...
that is true, social club just needs new seats every other stand would need to be entirely re done, also we own non of the land around vic park so we cant even extend slightly so no major refurbishment is likely.
Arnt you guys trying to re do princes park so you can play AFL games there again?
chelsworthgale
8 Mar 2008, 15:30
that is true, social club just needs new seats every other stand would need to be entirely re done, also we own non of the land around vic park so we cant even extend slightly so no major refurbishment is likely.
Arnt you guys trying to re do princes park so you can play AFL games there again?
I think that is Pratt's ultmate objective... and to be honest it wouldn't be a bad idea... I would much rather go to a "smaller" venue in Princes Park to see the blues play the likes of Freo and Port where we would get a more intimate experience than having vast half empty stadiums at TD and MCG...
Ideally home games against say, Freo, Port, Kangas, Crows and maybe WCE would be great there... an intimidating majority Carlton crowd with little overheads (in comparison to TD and MCG) would be great. I am sure many Carlton faithful would be all for that... after all they allow Geelong to do it and SS is packed to the rafters every match!
The other thing to note is once the new Rectangular Stadium is built the storm will be out of there... PP may be back..
I think playing games at AFL level on Princes Park is a pipe dream. But they are trying to refurbish it so it is the AFL's go-to ground for other events like practice games, VFL grand finals, etc.
chelsworthgale
8 Mar 2008, 15:37
I think playing games at AFL level on Princes Park is a pipe dream. But they are trying to refurbish it so it is the AFL's go-to ground for other events like practice games, VFL grand finals, etc.
True that but financially it could become viable as a go to ground for a lot of clubs... but many supporters may not like it because of access... BUT clubs like the Kangaroos may have no option in the future... TD is an expesive ground to break even on... The MCG is slightly better as you are able to close the top tier of the southern stand to save on cleaning and stall costs but still a ground set up like PP could be the go. Essentially it will have everything an AFL ground requires... a good surface, very decent facilities for both the general public and the corporate crowds. The players will have the comfort of new change rooms and essentially their recoveries could be aided by potentially having swim sessions etc in the adjoining pools immediately after the game...
but I agree pipe dream! :cool:
I think that is Pratt's ultmate objective... and to be honest it wouldn't be a bad idea... I would much rather go to a "smaller" venue in Princes Park to see the blues play the likes of Freo and Port where we would get a more intimate experience than having vast half empty stadiums at TD and MCG...
Ideally home games against say, Freo, Port, Kangas, Crows and maybe WCE would be great there... an intimidating majority Carlton crowd with little overheads (in comparison to TD and MCG) would be great. I am sure many Carlton faithful would be all for that... after all they allow Geelong to do it and SS is packed to the rafters every match!
The other thing to note is once the new Rectangular Stadium is built the storm will be out of there... PP may be back..
right now its a godo dream, but if the refurbishment gets done very well and you can piss the storm off to the enw rectangular stadium could well happen.
The AFL cant really say no seeing as pp should be similar capacity to teh cattery down geelong way.
Good luck to you:thumbsu:
I tend to agree with the other posters, much and all as i would love to have Collingwood playing at Vic Park it just isn't going to happen. There are too many things wrong with it to be a viable option.
I actually want PP to be used as an AFL ground again, mainly for the clubs with less supporters, Kangaroos, Western Bulldogs, etc. I am a believer that 2 AFL grounds in Melbourne isn't enough, there are 9 clubs in this city and 2 stadiums is not enough.:thumbsu:
chelsworthgale
8 Mar 2008, 17:33
right now its a godo dream, but if the refurbishment gets done very well and you can piss the storm off to the enw rectangular stadium could well happen.
The AFL cant really say no seeing as pp should be similar capacity to teh cattery down geelong way.
Good luck to you:thumbsu:
The storm are out once the rectangular is built.. it is purpose built for the storm, victory and the potential for a Rugby union side (according to the proposal)...
Thatday... couldn't agree with you more! :thumbsu:
Tess I think you need to put your bias opinions behind you and think about what you are saying here. At the end of the day Princes Park (please remember to spell it correctly) IS being redeveloped and in stages. Having been in both change rooms in recent years when playing on both grounds I can tell you the change rooms in the Heroes Stand and the Pratt stand are well above anything that is at Vic Park (the change rooms we were in were at the Train station end).
True I am biased, but I am a Collingwood person and this is the COLLINGWOOD forum, why are you here? BTW how would you feel if a Carlton VFL team was based at Vic Park or Windy Hill?
If we played at Vic Park we would need both rooms in the sherrin to have a few dollars spent on em..... last time I checked we weren't poor. Either of these rooms would be better than anything we had at Williamstown though.
that is true, social club just needs new seats every other stand would need to be entirely re done, also we own non of the land around vic park so we cant even extend slightly so no major refurbishment is likely.
The Social Club/Bob Rose stand is being renovated atm, the bloke with the lease has asked our Club to become involved with Silence as the answer. Everything is still there, the glass doors of the Boardroom ect ect and the guy would like a Collingwood FC presence of some kind there. But is still awaiting a call back.
The glassed area is unsafe and will be removed along with those 300 seats so it's not feasable as an area to watch the game unless someone wants to open a cafe ....
The storm are out once the rectangular is built.. it is purpose built for the storm, victory and the potential for a Rugby union side (according to the proposal)...
Thatday... couldn't agree with you more! The Storm will be playing there, but are you sure they are moving their training and admin base?
Time to change the record, Tess, this one has several scratches in it. :rolleyes:
Did I ring a bell and call for the clones?
chelsworthgale
8 Mar 2008, 19:33
True I am biased, but I am a Collingwood person and this is the COLLINGWOOD forum, why are you here? BTW how would you feel if a Carlton VFL team was based at Vic Park or Windy Hill?
The Storm will be playing there, but are you sure they are moving their training and admin base?
1st... I was looking through big footy and thought I might present an opinion which would add constructively to the thread... last time i checked that was the idea of big footy... :confused:
2nd... Poor analogy about our VFL side playing at VP or WH... Carlton have an affiliation with the Northern Bullants and a strong one at that. Also we have a perfect (still AFL capable) ground in PP... but our VFL side doesnt even play there...
3rd... yes the storm will take everything over there, they will train and play at the ground as will the Victory... Melbourne will have their Admin there but I would suggest they would still train at the Junction oval...
3rd... yes the storm will take everything over there, they will train and play at the ground as will the Victory... Melbourne will have their Admin there but I would suggest they would still train at the Junction oval...
Fair enough, I havent been in to see the girls at the Storm for a few months now to ask whats happening.
This thread will be irrelevant if and I say IF we get to take over the current Olympic Park ground. Melbourne FC will probably use that as a training ground while we will probably use it for training and VFL games. It could be good, roll up at 11.00am for the VFL game then walk 5-10 minutes to the MCG for the AFL game.
chelsworthgale
8 Mar 2008, 19:42
Fair enough, I havent been in to see the girls at the Storm for a few months now to ask whats happening.
This thread will be irrelevant if and I say IF we get to take over the current Olympic Park ground. Melbourne FC will probably use that as a training ground while we will probably use it for training and VFL games. It could be good, roll up at 11.00am for the VFL game then walk 5-10 minutes to the MCG for the AFL game.
good set up! :thumbsu: