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Mcchawk and I have been arguing about this for weeks, he seems to think that EVERYBODY has a soft spot for Phil Collins, whilst I argue that only the over 25's could give a damn about his music
So peoples vote now. Do you have a soft spot for Phil Collins?
Mcchawk
22 Jul 2002, 11:47
Originally posted by Sly77
Mcchawk and I have been arguing about this for weeks, he seems to think that EVERYBODY has a soft spot for Phil Collins, whilst I argue that only the over 25's could give a damn about his music
So peoples vote now. Do you have a soft spot for Phil Collins?
Alright the Sly one has had her say on this subject. Now I will have my.
First of all I'm not a huge Phil Collins fan but what I'm saying if his on the radio most people I know don't turn him off. After interviewing many Hawthorn supporters at the pub before most games I haven't had anyone say otherwise, so I'm lead to believe everyone has a soft spot for him.
Sly when Phil gets up and wins this we will listen to Phil's whole back catalogue at the pub (no alcohol for you miss!!)before hitting the football one week. Then you'll be converted to a PHIL COLLINS FAN!!!!
VOTE YES FOR PHIL COLLINS
Mcchawk
22 Jul 2002, 11:50
The yes votes have just doubled the no. Go people come forth and vote YES for Phil:p
His music is bland IMO and the only use for it is played as background music.
And I hardly think those guys are a fair representation of the general public - look at them - one in particular can name Stefan Dennis' one and only song for christsakes!
Mcchawk
22 Jul 2002, 11:53
Originally posted by Sly77
one in particular can name Stefan Dennis' one and only song for christsakes!
What a fine number it was too!!
The death penalty would be a good deterrent to those who refuse to stop releasing sh1t music.
I love Phil Collins.
His solo work is fantastic, but his Genesis days were awesome. One of the most underrated song writers in the world.
btw - i'm under 25 ;)
sussudio
22 Jul 2002, 11:59
well, I'm a fan of the 1980s and the film American Psycho, and I do have a soft spot for Phil so I voted yes (although sussudio was done when he was still in Genesis) :D
Originally posted by Sly77
one in particular can name Stefan Dennis' one and only song for christsakes!
Don't it make you feel good or This love affair?
Chris_23
22 Jul 2002, 12:07
Gotta love Phil.
Rusty Brookes
22 Jul 2002, 12:07
I have a soft spot for Phil: a boggy piece of wasteland down the road where I want to bury his carcass. BTW I'm over 25 ;)
Originally posted by Chris_23
Gotta love Phil.
No you dont - what on earth is there to love? Pathetic love songs? Pasty "rock and roll" wannabe songs?
I DONT GET IT :mad:
Mcchawk
22 Jul 2002, 12:13
Originally posted by Chris_23
Gotta love Phil.
I can sense on Saturday we'll in M10 have to sing a Phil Collins song just for Sly!!
Originally posted by Mcchawk
I can sense on Saturday we'll in M10 have to sing a Phil Collins song just for Sly!!
Well I'll be praying for sunshine then so I can sit in my usual spot :D
Mcchawk
22 Jul 2002, 12:17
Originally posted by Sly77
Well I'll be praying for sunshine then so I can sit in my usual spot :D
We'll find you Sly and embarrass you in the Hawthorn enclosure then!!
The Hitman
22 Jul 2002, 12:19
Everybody loves Phil Collins. Whether it be the drum/vocal talents of Genesis, or his solo stuff, this man can swoon his way into my heart anyday. He'd rival Billy Joel, Elton John, and Darryl Braithwaite as those you can't hate, simple because they're so lovable.
Hey, he was also in that movie about the Great Train Robbery. What can't the man do!?
The Hitman
Originally posted by The Hitman
Billy Joel, Elton John, and Darryl Braithwaite as those you can't hate, simple because they're so lovable.
Oh christ - who's been brainwashing you over the years? :rolleyes:
Originally posted by The Hitman
Hey, he was also in that movie about the Great Train Robbery. What can't the man do!?
The Hitman
Dont forget the countless other pathetic attempts at romance movies over the years.....
Darryl Braithwaite - sheeeesh *shakes head*
The Hitman
22 Jul 2002, 12:30
Originally posted by Sly77
Darryl Braithwaite - sheeeesh *shakes head*
"That's the way it's gonna be, my darling. We'll be riding on the horses, yeah yeah! Way up in the sky now baby, and if you fall I'll pick you up, I'll pick you up!"
:D
The Hitman
sandeano
22 Jul 2002, 12:34
"In The Air Tonight" was and IS a great song...but after that it was all pap.
I have no doubt that Phil is a top bloke. But so is my bus driver. It doesn't mean my bus driver should have a license to pump out constant crap music for 20-odd years.
He is a hopeless joke.
Only decent song he ever had was "Follow You, Follow Me" with Genesis.
Docker_Brat
22 Jul 2002, 12:43
Can't stand him. I want to break the radio every time I hear him on.
If I heard he was drowning.. I would not lend a hand.
Finally some support :D - now just register you're vote - it's that simple :D
Mcchawk
22 Jul 2002, 12:47
Originally posted by Sly77
Finally some support :D - now just register you're vote - it's that simple :D
No matter what the result Sly most of the Hawthorn men love Phil except Rusty, this means a M10 sing-along on Saturday.
Any suggestions as to which song?
I love Phill and I'm 23. I still have "I can feel it in the air tonight" in my head and love his "I can't walk" from Genisis.
I love the words and story behind the first song I raised. Apparently it happend to him as a little kid.
Perhaps I should have added a third options to the poll
" I'm responding yes I love him just b/c I know it will stir Sly up"
:rolleyes:
Mcchawk
22 Jul 2002, 13:00
Originally posted by Sly77
Perhaps I should have added a third options to the poll
" I'm responding yes I love him just b/c I know it will stir Sly up"
:rolleyes:
Not all Sly we all think Phil's great. :p
Most of my 20 something mates love Phill too. I guess I take an interest in Phill because he orginally was a drummer.
I can always remember my teacher of 10 years putting Phill Collins songs on.
The Hitman
22 Jul 2002, 13:04
Hey, Rohan can't help getting caught up in Phil Collins fever! I know I just let myself get swept amongst the Collins love.
The Hitman
Docker_Brat
22 Jul 2002, 13:12
No wonder Peter Gabriel left Genesis.
Phil Collins was once labelled the 'singing social worker' cos of the soppy crap he would go on about.
If you're so concerned about the homeless Phil, why not give them a few bucks instead of writing a song about how no one else cares. Not like you can't afford it.
Boys, boys, boys *shakes head* remind me NEVER to get myself locked in a car with you - I can just feel the torture of being stuck on a highway in a small and enclosed car being forced to listen to Phil....................
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :(
Docker_Brat
22 Jul 2002, 13:15
Sly, I think they're extracting the urine. No one who cares about music could genuinely like Phil Collins.
Richmondfan#1
22 Jul 2002, 13:16
Phil Collins is ..... ok.
Nothing special to me but he isn't terrible. Personally, I wouldn't bother to make the effort to change the radio station ;).
And like Hitman, I can't hate Billy Joel :p.
Originally posted by Docker_Brat
Sly, I think they're extracting the urine. No one who cares about music could genuinely like Phil Collins.
Well you'd think that - however, if you had met the boys in qn - you'd probably understand :D :D :D
I don't know how you don't like "I can feel it in the air tonight" Sly. It is one of the best songs ever.
A slow start and then the build up to the end make this song a classic. It is a very clever song with the wording too.
It goes great when Tom Cruise is making love to that girl on the train in Risky Business.
Mcchawk
22 Jul 2002, 13:19
Originally posted by Rohan_
I don't know how you don't like "I can feel it in the air tonight" Sly. It is one of the best songs ever.
A slow start and then the build up to the end make this song a classic. It is a very clever song with the wording too.
It goes great when Tom Cruise is making love to that girl on the train in Risky Business.
Never thought I'd say this but brillantly put Rohan
Originally posted by Rohan_
I don't know how you don't like "I can feel it in the air tonight" Sly.
Quite easily actually. It offers nothing to my music receptors, the words add no value to my life and there's very few "love" songs that I could honestly say IMO are worth the paper they're written on
And the no votes have shot to the lead :D
Docker_Brat
22 Jul 2002, 13:24
Originally posted by Rohan_
I don't know how you don't like "I can feel it in the air tonight" Sly. It is one of the best songs ever.
Over rated pap.
I was deejaying at an engagement party once and was asked to play that. Got in the poo because I refused, it would have spoiled the mood. ;)
Docker_Brat
22 Jul 2002, 13:25
John Lennon was shot, while Phil Collins is allowed to live.
Proof that there is no justice in the world.
Originally posted by Sly77
Quite easily actually. It offers nothing to my music receptors, the words add no value to my life and there's very few "love" songs that I could honestly say IMO are worth the paper they're written on
Very few "love songs" are that powerful that combine powerful lyrics with explosive drumming and music to the latter parts of the song.
Normally love songs are sloppy affairs but this song could easily be added to a fire up CD; it is that powerful.
Macca19
22 Jul 2002, 13:28
Love Phil Collins.
Great live.
Mcchawk
22 Jul 2002, 13:28
Originally posted by Docker_Brat
John Lennon was shot, while Phil Collins is allowed to live.
Proof that there is no justice in the world.
YELLOW Card
Docker_Brat
22 Jul 2002, 13:29
Phil Collins, Phil Collins
How do you sleep at night, Phil Collins?
I’d like to smash your records right over your head
And make you choke on the words you’ve said...
- Eastfield "Milton of Leys"
Originally posted by Docker_Brat
John Lennon was shot, while Phil Collins is allowed to live.
Proof that there is no justice in the world.
:D - fantastic call mate :D
Docker_Brat
22 Jul 2002, 13:31
Originally posted by Macca19
Love Phil Collins.
Great live.
Craig? I thought you had such good music taste. :(
"Scotty, set credibility to factor zero"
The Hitman
22 Jul 2002, 13:53
It's because Fabulous Phil encompasses all music genres, and transcends boundaries. I mean, when he belted out "Su-Su-Sussedio", I know I took a deep breath and took in the effects of what he was trying to get across.
Phil Collins: The real man who girly guys love to hate.
The Hitman
sussudio
22 Jul 2002, 14:02
I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that I didn't really understand any of their work, though on their last album of the 1970s, the concept-laden And Then There Were Three (a reference to band member Peter Gabriel, who left the group to start a lame solo career) I *did* enjoy the lovely "Follow You, Follow Me." Otherwise all the albums before Duke seemed too artsy, too intellectual.
It was Duke (Atlantic; 1980), where Phil Collins' presence became more prevalent and the lyrics started getting less mystical and more specific (maybe because of Peter Gabriel's departure), and complex, ambiguous studies of loss became, instead, smashing first-rate pop songs that I gratefully embraced. The songs themselves seemed arranged more around Collins' drumming than Mike Rutherford's bass lines or Tony Banks' keyboard riffs. A classic example of this is "Misunderstanding," which not only was the groups first big hit of the eighties but also seemed to set the tone for the rest of their albums as the decade progressed. The other standout on Duke is "Turn It On Again," which is about the negative effects of television. On the other hand, "Heathaze" is a song I just don't understand, while "Please Don't Ask" is a touching love song written to a separated wife who regains custody of the couple's child. Has the negative aspect of divorce ever been rendered in more intimate terms by a rock 'n' roll group? I don't think so. "Duke's Travels" and "Duke's End" might mean something but since the lyrics aren't printed it's hard to tell what Collins is singing about, though there *is* complex, gorgeous piano work by Tony Banks on the latter track. The only bummer about Duke is "Alone Tonight," which is way too reminiscent of "Tonight Tonight Tonight" from the group's later masterpiece Invisible Touch andthe only example, really, of where Collins has plagiarized himself.
Abacab (Atlantic; 1981) was released almost immediately after Duke and it benefits from a new producer, Hugh Padgham, who gives the band a more eighties sound and though the songs seem fairly generic, there are still great bits throughout: the extended jam in the middle of the title track and the horns by some group called Earth, Wind and Fire on "No Reply at All" are just two examples. Again the songs reflect dark emotions and are about people who feel lost or who are in conflict, but the production and sound are gleaming and up- beat (even if the titles aren't: "No Reply at All," "Keep It Dark," "Who Dunnit?" "Like It or Not"). Mike Rutherford's bass is obscured somewhat in the mix but otherwise the band sounds tight and is once again propelled by Collins' truly amazing drumming.
Even at its most despairing (like the song "Dodo," about extinction), Abacab musically is poppy and lighthearted. My favorite track is "Man on the Corner," which is the only song credited solely to Collins, a moving ballad with a pretty synthesized melody plus a riveting drum machine in the background. Though it could easily come off any of Phil's solo albums, because the themes of loneliness, paranoia and alienation are overly familiar to Genesis it evokes the band's hopeful humanism. "Man on the Corner" profoundly equates a relationship with a solitary figure (a bum, perhaps a poor homeless person?), "that lonely man on the corner" who just stands around. "Who Dunnit?" profoundly expresses the theme of confusion against a funky groove, and what makes this song so exciting is that it ends with its narrator never finding anything out at all.
Hugh Padgham produced next an even less conceptual effort, simply called Genesis (Atlantic; 1983), and though it's a fine album a lot of it now seems too derivative for my tastes. "That's All" sounds like "Misunderstanding," "Taking It All Too Hard" reminds me of "Throwing It All Away." It also seems less jazzy than its predecessors and more of an eighties pop album, more rock 'n' roll. Padgham does a brilliant job of producing, but the material is weaker than usual and you can sense the strain. It opens with the autobiographical "Mama," that's both strange and touching, though I couldn't tell if the singer was talking about his actual mother or to a girl he likes to call "Mama." "That's All" is a lover's lament about being ignored and beaten down by an unreceptive partner; despite the despairing tone it's got a bright sing-along melody that makes the song less depressing than it probably needed to be. "That's All" is the bestt tune on the album, but Phil's voice is strongest on "House by the Sea," whose lyrics are, however, to stream-of-consciousness to make much sense. It might be about growing up and accepting adulthood but it's unclear; at any rate, its second instrumental part puts the song more in focus for me and Mike Banks gets to show off his virtuosic guitar skills while Tom Rutherford washes the tracks over with dreamy synthesizers, and when Phil repeats the song's third verse at the end it can give you chills.
"Illegal Alien" is the most explicitly political song the group has yet recorded and their funniest. The subject is supposed to be sad -- a wetback trying to get across the border into the United States -- but the details are highly comical: the bottle of tequila the Mexican holds, the new pair of shoes he's wearing (probably stolen); and it all seems totally accurate. Phil sings it in a brash, whiny pseudo-Mexican voice that makes it even funnier, and the rhyme of "fun" with "illegal alien" is inspired. "Just a Job to Do" is the album's funkiest song, with a killer bass line by Banks, and though it seems to be about a detective chasing a criminal, I think it could also be about a jealous lover tracking someone down. "Silver Rainbow" is the album's most lyrical song. The words are intense, complex and gorgeous. The album ends on a positive, upbeat note with "It's Gonna Get Better." Even if the lyrics seem a tiny bit generic to some, Phil's voice is so confident (heavily influenced by Peter Gabriel, who never made an album this polished and heartfelt himself) that he makes us believe in glorious possibilities.
"Invisible Touch" (Atlantic; 1986) is the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility, at the same time it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. It has a resonance that keeps coming back at the listener, and the music is so beautiful that it's almost impossible to shake off because every song makes some connection about the unknown or the spaces between people ("Invisible Touch"), questioning authoritative control whether by domineering lovers or by government ("Land of Confusion") or by meaningless repetition ("Tonight Tonight Tonight").
All in all it ranks with the finest rock 'n' roll achievements of the decade and the mastermind behind this album, along of course with the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford, is Hugh Padgham, who has never found as clear and crisp and modern a song as this. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship and sheer songwriting skills this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to "Land of Confusion," in which a singer addresses the problem of abusive political authority. This is laid down with a groove funkier and blacker than anything Prince or Michael Jackson -- or any other black artist of recent years, for that matter -- has come up with. Yet as danceable as the album is, it also has a stripped-down urgency that not even the overrated Bruce Springsteen can equal. As an observer of love's failings Collins beats out the Boss again and again, reaching new heights of emotional honesty on "In Too Deep"; yet it also show- cases Collins' clowny, prankish, unpredictable side. It's the most moving pop song of the 1980s about monogamy and commitment.
"Anything She Does" (which echoes the J. Geils Band's "Centerfold" but is more spirited and energetic) starts off side two and after that the album reaches its peak with "Domino," a two-part song. Part one, "In the Heat of the Night," is full of sharp, finely drawn images of despair and it's paired with "The Last Domino," which fights it with an expression of hope. This song is extremely uplifting. The lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo efforts seem to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying in a narrower way, especially _No Jacket Required_ and songs like "In the Air Tonight" and "Against All Odds" (though that song was overshadowed by the masterful movie from which it came) and "Take Me Home" and "Sussudio" (great, great song; a personal favorite) and his remake of "You Can't Hurry Love," which I'm not alone in thinking is better than the Supremes' original. But I also think that Phil Collins works better within the confines of the group than as a solo artist -- and I stress the word *artist*. In fact it applies to all three of the guys, because Genesis is still the best, most exciting band to come out of England in the 1980s.
Chapter from American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis (1991)
Originally posted by The Hitman
Phil Collins: The real man who girly guys love to hate.
The Hitman
So what does that make me then? A girly girl? :(
Mcchawk
22 Jul 2002, 14:31
Originally posted by The Hitman
It's because Fabulous Phil encompasses all music genres, and transcends boundaries. I mean, when he belted out "Su-Su-Sussedio", I know I took a deep breath and took in the effects of what he was trying to get across.
Phil Collins: The real man who girly guys love to hate.
The Hitman
What are you trying to say? :confused:
Not that I necessarily have great musical taste, but I'm an unashamed Phil Collins fan.....his greatest hits album takes pride of place on the CD turntable at home ;) :)
The Hitman
22 Jul 2002, 14:33
Originally posted by Sly77
So what does that make me then? A girly girl? :(
No. A bloke.
The Hitman
Originally posted by The Hitman
No. A bloke.
The Hitman
Well going by that logic then I should like Phil??????????? :confused: :confused: :confused:
go_manto
22 Jul 2002, 14:55
Originally posted by sussudio
I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that I didn't really understand any of their work, though on their last album of the 1970s, the concept-laden And Then There Were Three (a reference to band member Peter Gabriel, who left the group to start a lame solo career) I *did* enjoy the lovely "Follow You, Follow Me." Otherwise all the albums before Duke seemed too artsy, too intellectual.
It was Duke (Atlantic; 1980), where Phil Collins' presence became more prevalent and the lyrics started getting less mystical and more specific (maybe because of Peter Gabriel's departure), and complex, ambiguous studies of loss became, instead, smashing first-rate pop songs that I gratefully embraced. The songs themselves seemed arranged more around Collins' drumming than Mike Rutherford's bass lines or Tony Banks' keyboard riffs. A classic example of this is "Misunderstanding," which not only was the groups first big hit of the eighties but also seemed to set the tone for the rest of their albums as the decade progressed. The other standout on Duke is "Turn It On Again," which is about the negative effects of television. On the other hand, "Heathaze" is a song I just don't understand, while "Please Don't Ask" is a touching love song written to a separated wife who regains custody of the couple's child. Has the negative aspect of divorce ever been rendered in more intimate terms by a rock 'n' roll group? I don't think so. "Duke's Travels" and "Duke's End" might mean something but since the lyrics aren't printed it's hard to tell what Collins is singing about, though there *is* complex, gorgeous piano work by Tony Banks on the latter track. The only bummer about Duke is "Alone Tonight," which is way too reminiscent of "Tonight Tonight Tonight" from the group's later masterpiece Invisible Touch andthe only example, really, of where Collins has plagiarized himself.
Abacab (Atlantic; 1981) was released almost immediately after Duke and it benefits from a new producer, Hugh Padgham, who gives the band a more eighties sound and though the songs seem fairly generic, there are still great bits throughout: the extended jam in the middle of the title track and the horns by some group called Earth, Wind and Fire on "No Reply at All" are just two examples. Again the songs reflect dark emotions and are about people who feel lost or who are in conflict, but the production and sound are gleaming and up- beat (even if the titles aren't: "No Reply at All," "Keep It Dark," "Who Dunnit?" "Like It or Not"). Mike Rutherford's bass is obscured somewhat in the mix but otherwise the band sounds tight and is once again propelled by Collins' truly amazing drumming.
Even at its most despairing (like the song "Dodo," about extinction), Abacab musically is poppy and lighthearted. My favorite track is "Man on the Corner," which is the only song credited solely to Collins, a moving ballad with a pretty synthesized melody plus a riveting drum machine in the background. Though it could easily come off any of Phil's solo albums, because the themes of loneliness, paranoia and alienation are overly familiar to Genesis it evokes the band's hopeful humanism. "Man on the Corner" profoundly equates a relationship with a solitary figure (a bum, perhaps a poor homeless person?), "that lonely man on the corner" who just stands around. "Who Dunnit?" profoundly expresses the theme of confusion against a funky groove, and what makes this song so exciting is that it ends with its narrator never finding anything out at all.
Hugh Padgham produced next an even less conceptual effort, simply called Genesis (Atlantic; 1983), and though it's a fine album a lot of it now seems too derivative for my tastes. "That's All" sounds like "Misunderstanding," "Taking It All Too Hard" reminds me of "Throwing It All Away." It also seems less jazzy than its predecessors and more of an eighties pop album, more rock 'n' roll. Padgham does a brilliant job of producing, but the material is weaker than usual and you can sense the strain. It opens with the autobiographical "Mama," that's both strange and touching, though I couldn't tell if the singer was talking about his actual mother or to a girl he likes to call "Mama." "That's All" is a lover's lament about being ignored and beaten down by an unreceptive partner; despite the despairing tone it's got a bright sing-along melody that makes the song less depressing than it probably needed to be. "That's All" is the bestt tune on the album, but Phil's voice is strongest on "House by the Sea," whose lyrics are, however, to stream-of-consciousness to make much sense. It might be about growing up and accepting adulthood but it's unclear; at any rate, its second instrumental part puts the song more in focus for me and Mike Banks gets to show off his virtuosic guitar skills while Tom Rutherford washes the tracks over with dreamy synthesizers, and when Phil repeats the song's third verse at the end it can give you chills.
"Illegal Alien" is the most explicitly political song the group has yet recorded and their funniest. The subject is supposed to be sad -- a wetback trying to get across the border into the United States -- but the details are highly comical: the bottle of tequila the Mexican holds, the new pair of shoes he's wearing (probably stolen); and it all seems totally accurate. Phil sings it in a brash, whiny pseudo-Mexican voice that makes it even funnier, and the rhyme of "fun" with "illegal alien" is inspired. "Just a Job to Do" is the album's funkiest song, with a killer bass line by Banks, and though it seems to be about a detective chasing a criminal, I think it could also be about a jealous lover tracking someone down. "Silver Rainbow" is the album's most lyrical song. The words are intense, complex and gorgeous. The album ends on a positive, upbeat note with "It's Gonna Get Better." Even if the lyrics seem a tiny bit generic to some, Phil's voice is so confident (heavily influenced by Peter Gabriel, who never made an album this polished and heartfelt himself) that he makes us believe in glorious possibilities.
"Invisible Touch" (Atlantic; 1986) is the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility, at the same time it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. It has a resonance that keeps coming back at the listener, and the music is so beautiful that it's almost impossible to shake off because every song makes some connection about the unknown or the spaces between people ("Invisible Touch"), questioning authoritative control whether by domineering lovers or by government ("Land of Confusion") or by meaningless repetition ("Tonight Tonight Tonight").
All in all it ranks with the finest rock 'n' roll achievements of the decade and the mastermind behind this album, along of course with the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford, is Hugh Padgham, who has never found as clear and crisp and modern a song as this. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship and sheer songwriting skills this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to "Land of Confusion," in which a singer addresses the problem of abusive political authority. This is laid down with a groove funkier and blacker than anything Prince or Michael Jackson -- or any other black artist of recent years, for that matter -- has come up with. Yet as danceable as the album is, it also has a stripped-down urgency that not even the overrated Bruce Springsteen can equal. As an observer of love's failings Collins beats out the Boss again and again, reaching new heights of emotional honesty on "In Too Deep"; yet it also show- cases Collins' clowny, prankish, unpredictable side. It's the most moving pop song of the 1980s about monogamy and commitment.
"Anything She Does" (which echoes the J. Geils Band's "Centerfold" but is more spirited and energetic) starts off side two and after that the album reaches its peak with "Domino," a two-part song. Part one, "In the Heat of the Night," is full of sharp, finely drawn images of despair and it's paired with "The Last Domino," which fights it with an expression of hope. This song is extremely uplifting. The lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo efforts seem to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying in a narrower way, especially _No Jacket Required_ and songs like "In the Air Tonight" and "Against All Odds" (though that song was overshadowed by the masterful movie from which it came) and "Take Me Home" and "Sussudio" (great, great song; a personal favorite) and his remake of "You Can't Hurry Love," which I'm not alone in thinking is better than the Supremes' original. But I also think that Phil Collins works better within the confines of the group than as a solo artist -- and I stress the word *artist*. In fact it applies to all three of the guys, because Genesis is still the best, most exciting band to come out of England in the 1980s.
Chapter from American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis (1991)
did you have to type that or did you get it off the net?
Phil Collins? I'd rather listen to the Wiggles. At least they don't take themselves seriously.
The Hitman
22 Jul 2002, 15:00
Originally posted by Sly77
Well going by that logic then I should like Phil??????????? :confused: :confused: :confused:
EVERYONE should like Phil Collins. You're just delusional.
The Hitman
Originally posted by go_manto
I'd rather listen to the Wiggles. At least they don't take themselves seriously.
The Wiggles rock.
That little shuffle they do with their hands takes pride of place in my Nightclub dance moves in the early hours of a Sunday morning.
Originally posted by Rohan_
The Wiggles rock.
That little shuffle they do with their hands takes pride of place in my Nightclub dance moves in the early hours of a Sunday morning.
Such is the standard of Twister :D
However, any guys that know skivvy's are cool are already one up in my books :D
sussudio
22 Jul 2002, 15:25
Originally posted by go_manto
did you have to type that or did you get it off the net?
Phil Collins? I'd rather listen to the Wiggles. At least they don't take themselves seriously
nah, cut and paste from the net :)
I think it is precisely that I don't take phil collins seriously (or any 80s music for that matter) that I can enjoy it. I like it for what it is - disposable pop music
American Psycho is one of the best satires of the 80s that I've read. Ellis satirises (sic) 80s music by having the main character, Pat Bateman, go into such an indepth and deep analysis of Phil Collins and Genesis. He also does the same for Huey Lewis & the News and Whitney Houston in other chapters.
:D
Docker_Brat
22 Jul 2002, 15:33
[13:23] * Barto Q: is phil collins crap ??
[13:23] <Crowley> Barto - mostly
[13:23] <Melody> phil collins is a legend!
[13:23] <pandabean> my bf LOVES phil
[13:23] <Barto> a male who loves phil collins?
[13:23] <Gryffndor> eek
[13:23] <Barto> sigh
[13:23] <pandabean> bono takes the... erm bono thinks phil is a dag
[13:23] <Crowley> he has some great songs, but turned into a soft$%#^ ballad singing whinger
[13:24] <Barto> dag in a good way or a bad way
[13:24] <pandabean> he was making fun of him on billboards...
[13:24] <Crowley> Phil was best when he was in genesis, and early (pre Buster) solo career
[13:24] <Barto> some of his genesis stuff was ok, but the solo stuff makes me want to cut my own ears off
[13:24] <pandabean> like do u ridicule someone to their face in front of that kinda audience if u like them?
[13:24] <Barto> true
[13:25] <Barto> well if bono takes the urine, then hes gotta be crap :)
[13:25] <pandabean> zactly :)
[13:25] <Crowley> something happened on teh way to heaven, susudio, invisible touch etc.. all good
[13:25] <pandabean> wtf is a sudio anyway??
Shinboners
22 Jul 2002, 16:18
Phil Collins is possibly the only singer in the world that is more annoying than Jim Morrison.
Phil Collins seems to have an invisible touch. When I hear his music it's another day in paradise.
Stealth bomber
22 Jul 2002, 16:39
Yes to Phil Collins the Genesis drummer.
No to Phil Collins the bland adult contemporary solo artist.
Originally posted by Stealth bomber
Yes to Phil Collins the Genesis drummer.
No to Phil Collins the bland adult contemporary solo artist.
Well the poll is for Phil Collins - so thats a no then.
Mcchawk
22 Jul 2002, 19:00
Originally posted by Sly77
Well the poll is for Phil Collins - so thats a no then.
Gettin done Sly :p
Originally posted by Mcchawk
Gettin done Sly :p
Hardly - you're statement was that EVERYBODY loves Phil.
I think this poll has clearly proved that NOT everybody loves the man, and believe me I have no alias' on this board, so I'm not on my own
I do believe I am winning :D
Mcchawk
22 Jul 2002, 19:12
Originally posted by Sly77
Hardly - you're statement was that EVERYBODY loves Phil.
I think this poll has clearly proved that NOT everybody loves the man, and believe me I have no alias' on this board, so I'm not on my own
I do believe I am winning :D
No Sly "Everybody has a groovy kind of love" for Phil!!
I have no alias' just me the MCCHAWK, the man about to become Phil Collin's biggest fan if it kills me!!
Originally posted by Mcchawk
No Sly "Everybody has a groovy kind of love" for Phil!!
Thats not what the responses to date indicate
Phil is a GREAT drummer......listen to the Phil Collins Big Band, also an album no one here would know about, is Peter Banks solo album, the original guitarist of YES who recorded it in the mid 70's with Phil on drums. It's not easy listening, but for those who like to listen to "ego" music, it's very good.
Originally posted by Sly77
No you dont - what on earth is there to love? Pathetic love songs? Pasty "rock and roll" wannabe songs?
I DONT GET IT :mad:
Sly, how can you say that, I have heaps of his albums & CD's, Genesis days & post Genesis days, his concerts are awesome.
Originally posted by Mcchawk
No matter what the result Sly most of the Hawthorn men love Phil except Rusty, this means a M10 sing-along on Saturday.
Any suggestions as to which song?
I will vote NO just to stop you from singing Christian ;)
Still, if it comes to a choice between Phil Collins and "We are the Boys from Glenferrie" ..... hmmmm, maybe my vote is still up for grabs. Sorry Sly .... I will provide you with my Oz Motorcycle GP earplugs for that Phil rendition :D
Kaz
Docker_Brat
22 Jul 2002, 21:39
All these people with no musical taste. I guess it explains the charts.
Originally posted by Docker_Brat
All these people with no musical taste. I guess it explains the charts.
So which way did you vote. :confused:
Hank Jones
22 Jul 2002, 22:55
Haha, I couldn't have guessed that a bunch of Hawk supporters would be into Phil Collins. :rolleyes:
Phil Collins is a blight on the world of music.
I've got a few Phil Collins CD's & his CD's when he was in Genesis.
Docker_Brat
23 Jul 2002, 00:03
Originally posted by mantis
So which way did you vote. :confused:
If there was an option that said 'destroy all his master tapes and use every CD and record printed for landfill' I would have gone that one :p
Mcchawk
23 Jul 2002, 07:43
Originally posted by kaz68
I will vote NO just to stop you from singing Christian ;)
Still, if it comes to a choice between Phil Collins and "We are the Boys from Glenferrie" ..... hmmmm, maybe my vote is still up for grabs. Sorry Sly .... I will provide you with my Oz Motorcycle GP earplugs for that Phil rendition :D
Kaz
Kaz
The boys from Glenferrie is a true classic (and Kaz one day I'll get you singing it!!) quite like alot of Phil's back catalogue :p
NOT EVERYONE LOVES PHIL COLLINS :D :D :D
And Hank - I am ashamed of my fellow hawks :( They are an embarrassment to the club :D
Mcchawk
23 Jul 2002, 08:14
Originally posted by Sly77
NOT EVERYONE LOVES PHIL COLLINS :D :D :D
And Hank - I am ashamed of my fellow hawks :( They are an embarrassment to the club :D
What do you wreckin Sly give the poll "One more Night?":p
Originally posted by Mcchawk
Kaz
The boys from Glenferrie is a true classic (and Kaz one day I'll get you singing it!!) quite like alot of Phil's back catalogue :p
Not until you change the last few bars .... if they remain as is .... not a snowballs chance in hell of that happening :D "The Boys" bit I can live with .... it is the ... ahem ... colourful ending that disturbs me ;)
Work on the Kris Barlow song .... I am more than Happy to sing along to that one :D :D :D
As for Phil ... I am forced to listen to Disney soundtracks on a daily basis, and that is exactly where Phil belongs, singing to four year olds who are actually listening, and blocked out as background music so that parents on long car trips can stay sane ;)
Kaz
Mcchawk
23 Jul 2002, 11:22
Originally posted by kaz68
Not until you change the last few bars .... if they remain as is .... not a snowballs chance in hell of that happening :D "The Boys" bit I can live with .... it is the ... ahem ... colourful ending that disturbs me ;)
Work on the Kris Barlow song .... I am more than Happy to sing along to that one :D :D :D
As for Phil ... I am forced to listen to Disney soundtracks on a daily basis, and that is exactly where Phil belongs, singing to four year olds who are actually listening, and blocked out as background music so that parents on long car trips can stay sane ;)
Kaz
I'll try for you Kaz
Originally posted by Sly77
NOT EVERYONE LOVES PHIL COLLINS :D :D :D
And Hank - I am ashamed of my fellow hawks
That is right. Mozart, Beethoven and Paul Simon are normally the Hawk's fans choice of music:o
Originally posted by Rohan_
That is right. Mozart, Beethoven and Paul Simon are normally the Hawk's fans choice of music:o
Nothing wrong with Mozart or Beethoven at least they have increased their popularity over hundreds of years.....do you think Phil will manage that?
In the year 2200 a little kid will stumble across his great great great grandparents record/cd collection and run screaming to their parents "mummy mummy mummy I'm scared"
Originally posted by Sly77
In the year 2200 a little kid will stumble across his great great great grandparents record/cd collection and run screaming to their parents "mummy mummy mummy I'm scared"
Hell I do that now !!!!!
I look at my other halfs CD collection and come across a Meatloaf CD :eek: It sends cold shivers down my spine, and gives me nightmares for a week ;)
Kaz
Originally posted by kaz68
Hell I do that now !!!!!
I look at my other halfs CD collection and come across a Meatloaf CD :eek: It sends cold shivers down my spine, and gives me nightmares for a week ;)
Kaz
Now you are picking on Meatloaf, that's just plain wrong. :mad:
Originally posted by mantis
Now you are picking on Meatloaf, that's just plain wrong. :mad:
:D :D :D :D
Knew I'd get someone who is a Meatloaf lover.
Seriously though .... I would rather attack my own ears with an ice pick than have to listen to "The Loaf" again. I was dragged (kicking and screaming) to his last concert tour. Ohhh the agony. Even his fans were finding his 15 minute versions a tad on the tiresome side. For me ... I felt like I wasted a year of my life in that one night ;)
Kaz
Originally posted by kaz68
I look at my other halfs CD collection and come across a Meatloaf CD :eek: It sends cold shivers down my spine, and gives me nightmares for a week ;)
Kaz
You took the words right outta my mouth...