Western Region Football League Team (Part 2)

[borgsta2006]

Looking at the scores this week I found that there were all thrashings...

Very disappointing for the league to have this happen. Hopefully there won't be many of these left.

By the looks of it Yarraville and West Footscray will be fighting the wooden spoon and the subsequent drop.

Colts must have hit the form again wth a smashing of St. Albans.

Spotty and Albion the teams to beat this year?

Zavalas would give the Cats the hard footy attitude, let's see how they go when the chips are down because traditionally the Cats tend to be a bit too physical when they are not having it their own way..................

[w.weapons]

good stuff rock still got it champ.........8 of the best and these doozies will still get on and give u a pasting......

[ROCK07]

good stuff rock still got it champ.........8 of the best and these doozies will still get on and give u a pasting......

thanx weapons, just got home after first nite on the drink for a while, missus give me a curfew of 3 so lucky i'm home, but lucky the old bloke has still got it other wise i would have been in the two's young perkins got 13 very hard to ignore......

[DIDIER]

its not so hard to work out who's soft from hoppers, there only hard players are taylor and clonan the rest are cowards

[cookie33]

its not so hard to work out who's soft from hoppers, there only hard players are taylor and clonan the rest are cowards

Easy to say behind a computer screen mate, pull your head in.

[FiloBeddoe]

Get off the the smack stupe !!!
Spotty & hoppers have been great sides over the years but theve never been hard stop living in dream land

Go easy on the insults champ, especially when you probably didn't think real hard about my comment. I didn't say anything about Hoppers or Spotty being hard or soft. I just wanted Grizzly to explain what he thought was a 'hard' side rather than just shooting off about teams being soft.

[FiloBeddoe]

hey mate when do u no of parkside putting in a club report? because i played for parkside for 8 years and thats the 1 st ive heard of that and i dont think we were a dirty side hard yes... and no other side in the 8 years i played tried to be dirty against parkside because they wouldnt get away with being dirty against parkside so i dont no what game u watched because i dont think hoppers or spotty would of tried snipping parkside or if u did see when was it last year when they had 18 kids playing

2004, Spotswood versus Parkside at Spotswood. A. Bugeja reported by Parkside.
Most who know about the comp would agree that Parkside were a great side but not adverse to the dirty side of the game. As for me, I enjoyed watching them play footy because they played the local brand brilliantly.
I don't remember saying anything about Spotty or Hoppers trying to snipe Parkside so I don't why you would even bring that up.

[roosters44]

thanx weapons, just got home after first nite on the drink for a while, missus give me a curfew of 3 so lucky i'm home, but lucky the old bloke has still got it other wise i would have been in the two's young perkins got 13 very hard to ignore......
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A curfew of 3.00am? You're a very lucky bloke in my eyes.

[DIDIER]

Easy to say behind a computer screen mate, pull your head in.

I dont need to hide Ive lost count how many times Ive said it to them

[13-CABS]

Played at West yesterday and that ground is riduculous... driving past i've always thought it was bad but the whole set-up is a disgrace. never been more sore after a game, half the ground is covered in sand and at stages its up and down hill... also west were pretty undisciplined from the start. 13 50m free kicks against by half time. think we ended up winning by about 140 odd points, just happy to have the away trip out of the way. Still had about 8 or 9 senior players out so we can only improve. West had a couple of guys who went alright, but they are just too small to challenge teams... they play Yarra next week and seem to be setting themselves for it.

[roosters44]

Played at West yesterday and that ground is riduculous... driving past i've always thought it was bad but the whole set-up is a disgrace. never been more sore after a game, half the ground is covered in sand and at stages its up and down hill... also west were pretty undisciplined from the start. 13 50m free kicks against by half time. think we ended up winning by about 140 odd points, just happy to have the away trip out of the way. Still had about 8 or 9 senior players out so we can only improve. West had a couple of guys who went alright, but they are just too small to challenge teams... they play Yarra next week and seem to be setting themselves for it.
that umpire was more disgraceful than our ground and that's saying something....

[red devil1]

that umpire was more disgraceful than our ground and that's saying something....


Nothing is more disgraceful that your ground!

[darren melton]

Looking at the scores this week I found that there were all thrashings...

Very disappointing for the league to have this happen. Hopefully there won't be many of these left.

By the looks of it Yarraville and West Footscray will be fighting the wooden spoon and the subsequent drop.

Colts must have hit the form again wth a smashing of St. Albans.

Spotty and Albion the teams to beat this year?

Zavalas would give the Cats the hard footy attitude, let's see how they go when the chips are down because traditionally the Cats tend to be a bit too physical when they are not having it their own way..................agree with you on that undisclipned when things get tuff hopefully thats a thing of the vpast as the repeat offenders have either moved on or have been sorted out over say a 5 year period borgy and steve is certainly leading by example in the hardness at ball area

[cookie33]

I dont need to hide Ive lost count how many times Ive said it to them

lol, of course you have.

[ROCK07]

lol, of course you have.

How's Brad Murphy going down at hogan's rd????

[DIDIER]

Im quite confident against anyone from hoppers, where are you from cookie

[thesilkmeister]

Was interesting to listen to Triple MMM news this morning at 7am and hear the results of the Spotswood and Glenorden game being talked about in the sports bulletin.

Spotty must be doing something right, next thing you know the'll be showing highlight of their games on Sports Tonight.:p

[borgsta2006]

agree with you on that undisclipned when things get tuff hopefully thats a thing of the vpast as the repeat offenders have either moved on or have been sorted out over say a 5 year period borgy and steve is certainly leading by example in the hardness at ball area

Hopefully mate because the catters are playing a bloody good brand of footy....

Hope to see some of the BF boys at the footy if it is on ANZAC Day as I am coming down for a couple of days.

[villain]

Nothing is more disgraceful that your ground!



what's more disgraceful red devil is rotting in divi 2 for the last 15 years

[Thunderball]

Was interesting to listen to Triple MMM news this morning at 7am and hear the results of the Spotswood and Glenorden game being talked about in the sports bulletin.

Spotty must be doing something right, next thing you know the'll be showing highlight of their games on Sports Tonight.:p
More to the point, what is the WRFL going to do about Division 1. The top 5 is almost set after only 3 rounds by the looks of it following StAlbans capitulation against a rampant Colts outfit. The only interest will be the order that Spotty, Albion, Hoppers, Sunshine and Port Melbourne Colts finish at the end of the season. The League will not survive under the current structure. Do they sit on their hands and bury their heads in the sand or do they co opt some "experienced people" from within the Clubs to get together for a "thinktank". The currently convened 20/20 will be too late as we will be gone by then, swallowed up by the powerful clubs from the Geelong, Essendon, Southern, Eastern and Northern Leagues.

No real answers here. My comments serve as a catalyst for discussion !!

[Thunderball]

Hopefully mate because the catters are playing a bloody good brand of footy....

Hope to see some of the BF boys at the footy if it is on ANZAC Day as I am coming down for a couple of days.
Borgy

Sunshine v Spotty at Kinder Smith. Two Up at half time. Wear your medals.

[borgsta2006]

Borgy

Sunshine v Spotty at Kinder Smith. Two Up at half time. Wear your medals.

Medals???

HAHA!

See you people there hopefully.

[The Kickoligist]

I went down to watch the port v st albans game on Saturday and St Albans were very poor i did notice Jimmy Hollow did not play but i am sure that 1 player can not change a side that much. Do they have any other injuries because if they dont they are a long way off the mark.
Also Rock i dont think you are getting the best out of Danny Jacobs playing him in the position you are, but i guess you are just easing him through games at this stage.

[ROCK07]

I went down to watch the port v st albans game on Saturday and St Albans were very poor i did notice Jimmy Hollow did not play but i am sure that 1 player can not change a side that much. Do they have any other injuries because if they dont they are a long way off the mark.
Also Rock i dont think you are getting the best out of Danny Jacobs playing him in the position you are, but i guess you are just easing him through games at this stage.

Well i thought he played very well. Do you know where he played???
I thought against albion we didn't play him in the best positions but we changed it up and i thought he was very productive.
The pace and skill of the game is something he has to get used to,it is a big drop but he will keep getting better for us, no doubt

[The Kickoligist]

Well i thought he played very well. Do you know where he played???
I thought against albion we didn't play him in the best positions but we changed it up and i thought he was very productive.
The pace and skill of the game is something he has to get used to,it is a big drop but he will keep getting better for us, no doubt
I am not sure of his exact position but he was playing behind the ball alot and his deliver was first rate into the forward line, i would think playing him in the forward line would be scary site for oppositions but i guess when the forward line is operating as it did on Saturday it is handy having him around the midfield.

[ROCK07]

More to the point, what is the WRFL going to do about Division 1. The top 5 is almost set after only 3 rounds by the looks of it following StAlbans capitulation against a rampant Colts outfit. The only interest will be the order that Spotty, Albion, Hoppers, Sunshine and Port Melbourne Colts finish at the end of the season. The League will not survive under the current structure. Do they sit on their hands and bury their heads in the sand or do they co opt some "experienced people" from within the Clubs to get together for a "thinktank". The currently convened 20/20 will be too late as we will be gone by then, swallowed up by the powerful clubs from the Geelong, Essendon, Southern, Eastern and Northern Leagues.

No real answers here. My comments serve as a catalyst for discussion !!

Personally still think st.albans can make the finals.
On another note the league is in a tough position atm, with some big margins, but that does happen in all comps.
I also believe that altona and glenorden will be good teams over the next few years.
The worry is yarra, with so many players leaving them they are really up against it, the same with west i think the winner of second div needs to be able to hold their players after winning the flag, what happen this year is a disgrace, especially the players that have gone to other div 2 teams.
The wrfl should have a rule in place to stop this.
I also believe if we can get deer park and sunshine heights and even parkside back to div 1, the comp can get stronger and more even across the board.
The league fees in running a club is very costly, and can be a real strain on most clubs. We don't even have umpires for reserves games now, so where is all this money going????
I understand it cost alot to run the league but we have the highest affiliation fees of any metro comp, and clubs are really struggling to survive.
Football clubs are very precious to alot of people, a great place to build frienship,help us all develop as people, footy clubs are a positive place for all communities and we need to hold on to them not see clubs folding.
Hopefully someone out there has a solution

[speculator]

I am not sure of his exact position but he was playing behind the ball at and his deliver was first rate into the forward line, i would think playing him in the forward line would be scary site for oppositions but i guess when the forward line is operating as it did on Saturday it is handy having him around the midfield.

You have confused me, firstly you are critical of his game, then you support the logic to which you were firstly critical of.

Reads like 50 cents each way??

As your names suggests, you are a fantastic kick, what did you think of Rocks exhibition on the week end?

[ROCK07]

I am not sure of his exact position but he was playing behind the ball alot and his deliver was first rate into the forward line, i would think playing him in the forward line would be scary site for oppositions but i guess when the forward line is operating as it did on Saturday it is handy having him around the midfield.


He played majority of the game in the centre and a little at h/back, as the years goes on he will play more in the forward area but atm it's best to have him in the play as much as possible

[BEAZER]

Borgy

Sunshine v Spotty at Kinder Smith. Two Up at half time. Wear your medals.

Bring the cards aswell. It will be my only chance for a while to donate a bit to the club, unless of course dim-simmons is there to give me a chop out.

Also, is there any truth to the rumour that the dud that plays back pocket (his initials are Daniel Mangan) missed a shot from 15m out on the weekend? He has been told for ages now to handball when he gets it as his skills are a little average. Get Mitch Beaty to do a bit of work with him tomorrow night just to get it right will you. Even better, dont let him anywhere near the forward 50.

[playsnogood]

On another note the league is in a tough position atm, with some big margins, but that does happen in all comps.
.................. Football clubs are very precious to alot of people, a great place to build frienship,help us all develop as people, footy clubs are a positive place for all communities and we need to hold on to them not see clubs folding.
Hopefully someone out there has a solution

Rock, you raise some very good points.
Firstly, no matter how the system of relagation works, you are always going to struggle, even if only in budgets to get quality players when going from div 2 to div 1.

IT would seem that to be competitive you need to spend up on the big names or high price recruits (I know not all clubs do this, and some will scream black and blue that they don't , but some do, so leave it at that)
One way to reduce this is to align juniors with all senior teams, up to Under 18's, and introduce a ranking system (not salary cap) that ranks each player in each team and evens out the playing field (i think the heathcote league is doing this) Each week a team can only field a team up to a certain ranking. Previous history comes into paly, higher level played at, higher the ranking. Longer at one club, lower the ranking. Played Juniors at club, lower the ranking ..... etc etc. So it stops clubs from buying all the ex afl/vfl/sanfl players it can and promotes junior development.

The league fee structure (i am not all that familiar with it) needs to keep in mind that, with out clubs they have no league, so the powers that be need to be realistic in their own wages and then justify them for what they do. They also need to justify where the money goes then.

Having all players pay for the privilage to play is an interesting concept to me. Where does that money go? That on top of club fees and insurance, it would be a costly exercise for a kid just out of juniors to have a kick in the 2's if at uni or working. This could be countered by charging a gate, but this is logistically impossible due to park footy.

Umpires, we have to leave them alone, but it would seem that some are on serious power trips. When a team is struggling and a veteran player is sent off (by an umpire who hoppers has been shafted by in a previous week) for doing no more than questioning a descision with out swearing or raising his voice, and for the umpire to request the player take a week for the same action, it would appear that the umpires sometimes forget that they are being paid to do what they do and need to be accountable for their actions also. (Abusing umpires etc is unsuitable but some are a little precious on how they can be spoken to)

In regards to Yarraville Rock, it would appear from the posts and the WRFL website, that atleast 6 players from last year are playing for middle rung teams it Div 1, you add 6 established senior players back into Yarraville and they would be more competitive I would think. Making it harder to just change clubs will stop that. The old rule of being able to refuse if not going up in standard or for a coaching role, or employment/family reasons would also assist.

An one question to all subscibers, is there a standard that the grounds in the WRFL must meet or is it up to the club? I have driven past, walked over or played on several now, and I can say at least 4 Division 1 grounds are unsafe and should not be played on.......

[The Kickoligist]

You have confused me, firstly you are critical of his game, then you support the logic to which you were firstly critical of.

Reads like 50 cents each way??

As your names suggests, you are a fantastic kick, what did you think of Rocks exhibition on the week end?
I probably did contradict myself there a bit but what i was saying was that he was good around the midfield but i think he would be alot more damaging as a key forward.
Well Rock does what every good forward should when he lines up for goals he kicks it more times than not.

[GreatestGame]

IT would seem that to be competitive you need to spend up on the big names or high price recruits (I know not all clubs do this, and some will scream black and blue that they don't , but some do, so leave it at that)One way to reduce this is to align juniors with all senior teams, up to Under 18's, and introduce a ranking system (not salary cap) that ranks each player in each team and evens out the playing field (i think the heathcote league is doing this) Each week a team can only field a team up to a certain ranking. Previous history comes into paly, higher level played at, higher the ranking. Longer at one club, lower the ranking. Played Juniors at club, lower the ranking ..... etc etc. So it stops clubs from buying all the ex afl/vfl/sanfl players it can and promotes junior development..

Well said Big fella, this topic has been discussed on big footy before with many opinions voiced but I think you will find that you need a good administration within the league to be able to try and police this and considering how it is currently ran I don't think the league is professional enough to do this. Plus with the current breed of umpires going around probably not smart enough either to follow and enforce these rules. I do agree that something has to be done and that probably starts at better administrative training for each club and league officials to, so maybe they could use some of the money that they generate from fees each club pays them to start this.

On another note wait til you play on West's ground this week to see how bad a ground can be.

[Thunderball]

Rock, you raise some very good points.
Firstly, no matter how the system of relagation works, you are always going to struggle, even if only in budgets to get quality players when going from div 2 to div 1.

IT would seem that to be competitive you need to spend up on the big names or high price recruits (I know not all clubs do this, and some will scream black and blue that they don't , but some do, so leave it at that)
One way to reduce this is to align juniors with all senior teams, up to Under 18's, and introduce a ranking system (not salary cap) that ranks each player in each team and evens out the playing field (i think the heathcote league is doing this) Each week a team can only field a team up to a certain ranking. Previous history comes into paly, higher level played at, higher the ranking. Longer at one club, lower the ranking. Played Juniors at club, lower the ranking ..... etc etc. So it stops clubs from buying all the ex afl/vfl/sanfl players it can and promotes junior development.

The league fee structure (i am not all that familiar with it) needs to keep in mind that, with out clubs they have no league, so the powers that be need to be realistic in their own wages and then justify them for what they do. They also need to justify where the money goes then.

Having all players pay for the privilage to play is an interesting concept to me. Where does that money go? That on top of club fees and insurance, it would be a costly exercise for a kid just out of juniors to have a kick in the 2's if at uni or working. This could be countered by charging a gate, but this is logistically impossible due to park footy.

Umpires, we have to leave them alone, but it would seem that some are on serious power trips. When a team is struggling and a veteran player is sent off (by an umpire who hoppers has been shafted by in a previous week) for doing no more than questioning a descision with out swearing or raising his voice, and for the umpire to request the player take a week for the same action, it would appear that the umpires sometimes forget that they are being paid to do what they do and need to be accountable for their actions also. (Abusing umpires etc is unsuitable but some are a little precious on how they can be spoken to)

In regards to Yarraville Rock, it would appear from the posts and the WRFL website, that atleast 6 players from last year are playing for middle rung teams it Div 1, you add 6 established senior players back into Yarraville and they would be more competitive I would think. Making it harder to just change clubs will stop that. The old rule of being able to refuse if not going up in standard or for a coaching role, or employment/family reasons would also assist.

An one question to all subscibers, is there a standard that the grounds in the WRFL must meet or is it up to the club? I have driven past, walked over or played on several now, and I can say at least 4 Division 1 grounds are unsafe and should not be played on.......
You and Rock make some good points. Maybe 8 Teams in Division 1 with the bottom 2 dropping out this year and no one promoted. There would then be an opportunity for maybe Altona and Glenorden (provided not in bottom 2) to establish themselves through their current Junior Promotion and Recruitment respectively.

It would also open the door to a third division which would also assist a similar problem which is occurring in Div 2.

As for umpires, I watched Adrian O'Donnell on Sat. doing the centre bounces. Did not miss a beat. We have AFL Umpires at the moment who even with the aid of a rubber mat can't get the ball to come down inside the Ruck Circle !!

The "open slather rule" has killed Yarraville Seddon. Blokes can just walk to where the money talks. Once a few went then others got out. There are about 6 down at Willy CYs in D Grade Amatuers.

The grounds are a OHS issue. I believe the Umpires can refuse to umpire a game if they deem the ground unsuitable. No umpires - NO GAME.

[The Kickoligist]

He played majority of the game in the centre and a little at h/back, as the years goes on he will play more in the forward area but atm it's best to have him in the play as much as possible
I seen Jase Perkins kicked 13 in the ressies what was the reason for him being in their in the first place, i think he surely should be getting a game.

[pcs84]

As for umpires, I watched Adrian O'Donnell on Sat. doing the centre bounces. Did not miss a beat. We have AFL Umpires at the moment who even with the aid of a rubber mat can't get the ball to come down inside the Ruck Circle !!

The "open slather rule" has killed Yarraville Seddon. Blokes can just walk to where the money talks. Once a few went then others got out. There are about 6 down at Willy CYs in D Grade Amatuers.

The grounds are a OHS issue. I believe the Umpires can refuse to umpire a game if they deem the ground unsuitable. No umpires - NO GAME.

yeah, those boys would be on HEEEEEEEEEAPS of coin down there!
must be playing for money!

[playsnogood]

Maybe 8 Teams in Division 1 with the bottom 2 dropping out this year and no one promoted. There would then be an opportunity for maybe Altona and Glenorden (provided not in bottom 2) to establish themselves through their current Junior Promotion and Recruitment respectively.

An 8 team league would be detrimental to the sustainability of the league, and the earning potential of clubs. Having 10 teams allows the 18 game draw with a bye, reducing that will cause issues with length of season and some teams maybe having to play certain teams more than twice.... ie, if you were to do that this season, imagine if a team makes the finals because they play a bottom side 3 times and another misses out because they play spotty 3 times..... big gap

[Half Back Pocket]

The "open slather rule" has killed Yarraville Seddon. Blokes can just walk to where the money talks. Once a few went then others got out. There are about 6 down at Willy CYs in D Grade Amatuers.


But you can't just put a ban on players moving between clubs...it's a restriction of trade!
Surely it stems back to the culture created at the club where mass walk-outs just shouldn't happen, and money is secondary to playing with your mates/or for the jumper/or to win a flag.

[ROCK07]

I seen Jase Perkins kicked 13 in the ressies what was the reason for him being in their in the first place, i think he surely should be getting a game.

Well we have a quality side and it will be very hard to brake into. but i'm sure he will get his chance soon.At 19 he has a long career ahead of him and he will only get better.

[ROCK07]

I think the points system is a must...for the survival of clubs we need it asap.

[playsnogood]

But you can't just put a ban on players moving between clubs...it's a restriction of trade!
Surely it stems back to the culture created at the club where mass walk-outs just shouldn't happen, and money is secondary to playing with your mates/or for the jumper/or to win a flag.

It can't be a restraint of trade if a player is going to play ammo's. I think the issue is more with clubs recruiting decent players from struggling clubs within the same league, to top up their list. It is different if changing leagues, going to play better football, taking a coaching role or for work or family reasons.

[footystar_]

Well we have a quality side and it will be very hard to brake into. but i'm sure he will get his chance soon.At 19 he has a long career ahead of him and he will only get better.

i have played against jase local for 4-5 years now and with him also. he is a gun the side is good but i think he is worthy of a spot in the 1's espically after kicked 13 if true? v.talented hope he gets a crack

[BEAZER]

You and Rock make some good points. Maybe 8 Teams in Division 1 with the bottom 2 dropping out this year and no one promoted. There would then be an opportunity for maybe Altona and Glenorden (provided not in bottom 2) to establish themselves through their current Junior Promotion and Recruitment respectively.

It would also open the door to a third division which would also assist a similar problem which is occurring in Div 2.

As for umpires, I watched Adrian O'Donnell on Sat. doing the centre bounces. Did not miss a beat. We have AFL Umpires at the moment who even with the aid of a rubber mat can't get the ball to come down inside the Ruck Circle !!

The "open slather rule" has killed Yarraville Seddon. Blokes can just walk to where the money talks. Once a few went then others got out. There are about 6 down at Willy CYs in D Grade Amatuers.

The grounds are a OHS issue. I believe the Umpires can refuse to umpire a game if they deem the ground unsuitable. No umpires - NO GAME.


Im personally not a fan of an 8 team comp but in the WRFL's case, that would be a pretty good idea. The only thing anybody gets out of beating sides by 25+ goals every week is a chance to bump up their goal tally or inflate egos by getting 40 touches. I dont think there is an answer though. These struggling clubs find it hard to get good players to their club (for whatever the reasons money, facilities, reputation etc) and no number of points will make them any better. All that will happen is that the rest of the competition will be of a lesser standard and unless they brought in a rediculously low number of points, these teams will keep getting belted bcos the gap is so great. And if they did bring in a very low number of points, the standard of the comp would decrease dramatically. The WRFL is already seen as a lesser standard in relation to the other metro comps and cant afford for this to happen. The points system is probably still the best option though bcos if nothing else, it will keep it tight for finals spots. With that though, can the league easily enough get information on where and when every player has played? Otherwise clubs could tell the league anything about the players and they wouldnt know any better. Also, having a certain number of points for players who had played VFL seniors for example would be slightly unfair in some circumstances. There are and have been a number of players at Hoppers who have played senior VFL footy and have played quite a bit of footy in recent times in the 2's. Surely a guy who is 35 who played VFL seniors 15 years ago shouldnt carry the same number of points as somebody straight out of the VFL? I guess this would be the same for all clubs though. Not an easy 1 to solve but most would agree that something has to be done. even if it doesnt work, the results couldnt be anymore 1-sided.

[BEAZER]

Maybe 8 Teams in Division 1 with the bottom 2 dropping out this year and no one promoted. There would then be an opportunity for maybe Altona and Glenorden (provided not in bottom 2) to establish themselves through their current Junior Promotion and Recruitment respectively.

An 8 team league would be detrimental to the sustainability of the league, and the earning potential of clubs. Having 10 teams allows the 18 game draw with a bye, reducing that will cause issues with length of season and some teams maybe having to play certain teams more than twice.... ie, if you were to do that this season, imagine if a team makes the finals because they play a bottom side 3 times and another misses out because they play spotty 3 times..... big gap

Very good point. I say we have a 4 team comp and play each other 6 times. :thumbsu:

[tige19]

How's Brad Murphy going down at hogan's rd????

Rock, Brad is enjoying his time at Hoppers and loving the calls from some of the boys at your club.

[addorable]

interesting to note that the habit of some away teams bringing along there own grog supply is back again, only hope they realise that when other clubs find out payback can be costly.

[ROCK07]

Rock, Brad is enjoying his time at Hoppers and loving the calls from some of the boys at your club.

As far as i know no one from the club has called him, as we all only found out the truth on saturday night...but believe me when i say this the square up will but alot better than he thinks, absolutely week as f ucking piss hitting an old man especially when being held from another....this won't happen on the field either.
The man in question has alot of friends and is very well respected, and his son goes well also....one very big mistake on murphy's account and one he will remember for a long long time.

[13-CABS]

Is there more to the story of the Hoppers Sportsmans Day? Someone came on here and said there wasnt much to it... i know Wade wouldnt be too happy if theres more to it, being an ex Hoppers boy himself. Dont imagine his mates like Doug Thomas, or Crowder would be happy either.

[bloods05]

Is there more to the story of the Hoppers Sportsmans Day? Someone came on here and said there wasnt much to it... i know Wade wouldnt be too happy if theres more to it, being an ex Hoppers boy himself. Dont imagine his mates like Doug Thomas, or Crowder would be happy either.

Yes the game on the 17th of May may be very interesting,no doubt Dicko will have quite a few of his jack mates there for the day, as has happened in the past..

[obe1]

Yes the game on the 17th of May may be very interesting,no doubt Dicko will have quite a few of his jack mates there for the day, as has happened in the past..

That sounds like an admission of guilt from your camp Bloods?

I have no doubt that football is the only concern from the players point of view, however the other matter will be "sorted out" from the relevant non playing group one would think.

[bloods05]

That sounds like an admission of guilt from your camp Bloods?

I have no doubt that football is the only concern from the players point of view, however the other matter will be "sorted out" from the relevant non playing group one would think.

What camp ,may that be ??????

[obe1]

What camp ,may that be ??????

It seems I may be ill informed, rumor had it you are from Hogans Road.

[bloods05]

It seems I may be ill informed, rumor had it you are from Hogans Road.

Definately not,but i could say it's not far off being a home game for me,fair chance father and son may cut a path thru the joint in the after match entertainment..

[Nudgeme]

As far as i know no one from the club has called him, as we all only found out the truth on saturday night...but believe me when i say this the square up will but alot better than he thinks, absolutely week as f ucking piss hitting an old man especially when being held from another....this won't happen on the field either.
The man in question has alot of friends and is very well respected, and his son goes well also....one very big mistake on murphy's account and one he will remember for a long long time.

I am lead to believe that there will be quite a few 'ring ins' coming from Interstate to look after young Murphy, I am sure that whatever the outcome of the day will be it will be very interesting. I doubt either side will take a bacward step.

[obe1]

I am lead to believe that there will be quite a few 'ring ins' coming from Interstate to look after young Murphy, I am sure that whatever the outcome of the day will be it will be very interesting. I doubt either side will take a backward step.

It sounds as though his tail has been firmly tucked between his legs,are we to expect the "ring ins" as you put to be easily identified?

Perhaps they will be easily to spot seeing as most of them will have two heads??

You have been critical of others in some of your earlier posts.......the above must be dribble at best.

[ROCK07]

I am lead to believe that there will be quite a few 'ring ins' coming from Interstate to look after young Murphy, I am sure that whatever the outcome of the day will be it will be very interesting. I doubt either side will take a bacward step.

Look please forgot the bluff card, we will not be falling for that and if your aware of the people involved none will care who they are.
I have recieved a private message from a hoppers person saying there was not much in it, but for him to call interstate helps, shows that may not be the case......
As for murphy i know a fair bit about him and his family, i work with his two uncles and if he had any form he would face the old bloke's son 1 on 1 and let's get it over with, but i'm sure he is not to keen for that.
Either way he will get what he deserves one way or the other.

[Thunderball]

Just a thought. Is this a WRFL Football Thread or Episode 8 of Underbelly? Probably not a smart thing to be discussing such matters in an open forum as if something untoward does happen and the Constabularly subsequently become involved I am sure that they would be having more than just a cursory glance of some of the threats (veiled or otherwise),accusations and intended retributions that have been posted in the last 24 hours.

Any thought on the results of this week's Football matches

Sunshine v Spotswood - will Spotty be ready for a tight game
Yarraville Seddon v West Footscray - could determine relegation
St Albans v Altona - chance for Altona to become a contender
Glenorden v Pt Colts - % booster for Colts
Albion v Hoppers Xing - match of the round.

Games that could determine finishing positions at both ends of the ladder !!

[grizzley]

Look please forgot the bluff card, we will not be falling for that and if your aware of the people involved none will care who they are.
I have recieved a private message from a hoppers person saying there was not much in it, but for him to call interstate helps, shows that may not be the case......
As for murphy i know a fair bit about him and his family, i work with his two uncles and if he had any form he would face the old bloke's son 1 on 1 and let's get it over with, but i'm sure he is not to keen for that.
Either way he will get what he deserves one way or the other.



rock dont fall in hoppers have got no form the joint will be crawling with jacks just flog them on the ground if it starts go for the snakes head attack taylor he is the only one with some dash and the rest will curl up like butchy boys colts by 10 goals and a big win in the bar if starts im not even from colts but id love run thru the joint me self and i know a few others who love to do the same the joints full of dogs go colts

[splinter]

Good call Thunderballs!
On another note, there is an article on Heraldsun.com.au where you can vote on whether local sporting grounds should be exempt from the water restrictions as there seems to be an increase in injuries due to the hard grounds. Given the state of a lot of our grounds I reckon we should all get on that site and vote!! more than once too
Local councils and the state gvt need to be pushed and the AFL should be paying for water to trucked into our grounds. The AFL is celebrating 150 years of football, the make millions of dollars out of the game, what are they doing about helping all local clubs (who only survive on the goodwill of volunteers and local community sponsors etc.)
If the grounds become unplayable we have no Auskick, no juniors, no local seniors = no development of future AFL players.
What are the AFL and State govts doing about making sure we have suitable grounds (which are public facilities) to ensure we will be celebtrating 200 years of AFL football. Sorry to get political fellas. but fair dinkum we all have to make some noise on this issue.

[B.O.G]

hi guys just poped in to have a look at whats going on in the western leauge, and noticed theres a bit written about an old mate of mine who's now woth hoppers, i dont play in the leauge but was just wanting to see what was going, alot by the sounds of it in here, could someone who knows the facts please inform me, if its the b.murphy that is in question, and from what has been written he looks as though he goteen into a fight, was it on-field or off-field?

thanks guys i know we dont want to promote violence in clubs or on the ground but having played both against and with muprh was just wanting to know what the real story was,

Cheers

[pascal]

interesting to note that the habit of some away teams bringing along there own grog supply is back again, only hope they realise that when other clubs find out payback can be costly.

St Albans the most noteable and after the big Friday night game all the bar revenue and to turn around and BYO is a disgrace. Typical goat hearders.

[SWANNEES]

You and Rock make some good points. Maybe 8 Teams in Division 1 with the bottom 2 dropping out this year and no one promoted. There would then be an opportunity for maybe Altona and Glenorden (provided not in bottom 2) to establish themselves through their current Junior Promotion and Recruitment respectively.

It would also open the door to a third division which would also assist a similar problem which is occurring in Div 2.

As for umpires, I watched Adrian O'Donnell on Sat. doing the centre bounces. Did not miss a beat. We have AFL Umpires at the moment who even with the aid of a rubber mat can't get the ball to come down inside the Ruck Circle !!

The "open slather rule" has killed Yarraville Seddon. Blokes can just walk to where the money talks. Once a few went then others got out. There are about 6 down at Willy CYs in D Grade Amatuers.

The grounds are a OHS issue. I believe the Umpires can refuse to umpire a game if they deem the ground unsuitable. No umpires - NO GAME.
both sides have to sign off on a ground clearence every saturday prior to ground being used obviously this not happening at all grounds . form must be given to umpires who officiate in first game of day or noi play allowed

[Nudgeme]

hi guys just poped in to have a look at whats going on in the western leauge, and noticed theres a bit written about an old mate of mine who's now woth hoppers, i dont play in the leauge but was just wanting to see what was going, alot by the sounds of it in here, could someone who knows the facts please inform me, if its the b.murphy that is in question, and from what has been written he looks as though he goteen into a fight, was it on-field or off-field?

thanks guys i know we dont want to promote violence in clubs or on the ground but having played both against and with muprh was just wanting to know what the real story was,

Cheers

I am not from any club but I am lead to believe there wasnt a great deal in it. i do find it funny though Clarkey calling other people dogs when it was clearly seen last year him decking a hoppers bloke in the final when the hoppers guy was not ready at all, clarkey you are in no position to be commenting on such matters mate your history is as poor as anyones, i would just love to see how you would go against some of the tougher blokes that have played local footy.

[SWANNEES]

As far as i know no one from the club has called him, as we all only found out the truth on saturday night...but believe me when i say this the square up will but alot better than he thinks, absolutely week as f ucking piss hitting an old man especially when being held from another....this won't happen on the field either.
The man in question has alot of friends and is very well respected, and his son goes well also....one very big mistake on murphy's account and one he will remember for a long long time.

luke phipps didnt see his king hit coming eh rock ?

[SWANNEES]

rock dont fall in hoppers have got no form the joint will be crawling with jacks just flog them on the ground if it starts go for the snakes head attack taylor he is the only one with some dash and the rest will curl up like butchy boys colts by 10 goals and a big win in the bar if starts im not even from colts but id love run thru the joint me self and i know a few others who love to do the same the joints full of dogs go colts

why dont you front the person instead of inciting others to attack someone .thats right thats what cowards do. DILL.

[SWANNEES]

Look please forgot the bluff card, we will not be falling for that and if your aware of the people involved none will care who they are.
I have recieved a private message from a hoppers person saying there was not much in it, but for him to call interstate helps, shows that may not be the case......
As for murphy i know a fair bit about him and his family, i work with his two uncles and if he had any form he would face the old bloke's son 1 on 1 and let's get it over with, but i'm sure he is not to keen for that.
Either way he will get what he deserves one way or the other.

coaches obe 1 and rock promoting voilence did not think was one of your traits ?

[flyinhigh]

typical port melb/hoppers rubbish. you don't see spotty sunshine and albion blokes mouthing off on here making threats. come gameday its a different story when your on ur keyboards typing away thinking you's are unstoppable.

[obe1]

coaches obe 1 and rock promoting violence did not think was one of your traits ?

Read back through my posts, I made it clear that our focus is football only as did Rock. This incident was an off field matter involving your "new gun" player and a bloke twice his age. We are not responsible for things outside the boundaries of footy. Others have entered into the discussion throwing there two bobs worth in. That is to be expected on an open forum I guess.

Dont for one minute think that our focus is on winning games of footy. I understand your club has been in contact with the parties involved in order to put this matter to rest.

As for Luke and seeing things coming, he is at times a little oblivious to most things. If it were as you recalled , he obviously bears no grudge. He made his affections to Rock perfectly clear at a finals game we all watched last year. In fact if I didn't now better you would have though he was a colts person, his comments on his current club, their hierarchy and other insitefull matters were enlightening

[SWANNEES]

Read back through my posts, I made it clear that our focus is football only as did Rock. This incident was an off field matter involving your "new gun" player and a bloke twice his age. We are not responsible for things outside the boundaries of footy. Others have entered into the discussion throwing there two bobs worth in. That is to be expected on an open forum I guess.

Dont for one minute think that our focus is on winning games of footy. I understand your club has been in contact with the parties involved in order to put this matter to rest.

As for Luke and seeing things coming, he is at times a little oblivious to most things. If it were as you recalled , he obviously bears no grudge. He made his affections to Rock perfectly clear at a finals game we all watched last year. In fact if I didn't now better you would have though he was a colts person, his comments on his current club, their hierarchy and other insitefull matters were enlightening

ok hopefully this will finish this discussion yoy are correct in your statement re talks between parties involved .only dills like grizzly who dont know the facts inflame situation. matter closed

[obe1]

Read back through my posts, I made it clear that our focus is football only as did Rock. This incident was an off field matter involving your "new gun" player and a bloke twice his age. We are not responsible for things outside the boundaries of footy. Others have entered into the discussion throwing there two bobs worth in. That is to be expected on an open forum I guess.

Dont for one minute think that our focus isn't on anything other than winning games of footy. I understand your club has been in contact with the parties involved in order to put this matter to rest.

As for Luke and seeing things coming, he is at times a little oblivious to most things. If it were as you recalled , he obviously bears no grudge. He made his affections to Rock perfectly clear at a finals game we all watched last year. In fact if I didn't now better you would have though he was a colts person, his comments on his current club, their hierarchy and other insitefull matters were enlightening

( a couple of typeo's edited )

[playsnogood]

Good call Thunderballs!
On another note, there is an article on Heraldsun.com.au where you can vote on whether local sporting grounds should be exempt from the water restrictions as there seems to be an increase in injuries due to the hard grounds. Given the state of a lot of our grounds I reckon we should all get on that site and vote!! more than once too
Local councils and the state gvt need to be pushed and the AFL should be paying for water to trucked into our grounds. The AFL is celebrating 150 years of football, the make millions of dollars out of the game, what are they doing about helping all local clubs (who only survive on the goodwill of volunteers and local community sponsors etc.)
If the grounds become unplayable we have no Auskick, no juniors, no local seniors = no development of future AFL players.
What are the AFL and State govts doing about making sure we have suitable grounds (which are public facilities) to ensure we will be celebtrating 200 years of AFL football. Sorry to get political fellas. but fair dinkum we all have to make some noise on this issue.

Good idea, but to make you aware, the government and water retailers have recently changed the structure under which grounds can be watered. FYI a council can now water any ground, but use no more water than they were when they were watering one in four grounds. The issue is the timing of the watering and grass coverage etc. There is no point watering a turf wicket the day before a footy match and not flood it or core it so the water actually soaks in. Otherwise you are just creating a crust on top, and for some grounds you would win the toss and bat they are that hard! Clubs need to campaign the local council or the league needs to be realistic in its scheduling.

[ROCK07]

luke phipps didnt see his king hit coming eh rock ?

LOL. he hit me first, so if he wasn't expecting it well he needs to be more careful, was not a king hit just a left hook......as for my record i have never missed a game for striking so leave it at that.
As for violence on the field i was not promoting that, when the game comes around we will concentrate on the footy and nothing else.I'm sure the other incident will be sorted out either before or after the game, between the people that matter.

[ROCK07]

I am not from any club but I am lead to believe there wasnt a great deal in it. i do find it funny though Clarkey calling other people dogs when it was clearly seen last year him decking a hoppers bloke in the final when the hoppers guy was not ready at all, clarkey you are in no position to be commenting on such matters mate your history is as poor as anyones, i would just love to see how you would go against some of the tougher blokes that have played local footy.

Who did i call dog????
The other incident happened in 06 and my history on the footy field is fine 1 suspension for abusing an umpire 7 years ago.
What would the tough blokes done to me??? PLEASE what a silly comment

[ROCK07]

Let's talk footy enough of the tough talk.
Finally a couple of good games this week, spotty v sunshine should be a cracker, i think if sunshine have a full list they will knock spotty off this week at home in front of the big crowd.
Cabs hows the team looking??
Albionv hoppers should also be a great contest but i think hoppers will win this one the cat have been going well but a desperate hoppers will take this one out.
How strongs will each team be this week???/ Any injury concerns?? Could someone from hoppers,spotty,albion and the kangas help us out.:thumbsu:

[DaVinci]

just a random thought im happy to post......

wot does barry hall and matthew montebello have in common?

one thing- both cowards who king-hit people

After not being on this site for a while and seeing this post i am assuming that they are now letting retards use computers. A coward is one who will make statements and hide like yourself. Seeing you have a great memory please recall for us when this so called King hit occurred or is that too too hard for your brain to do??

[playsnogood]

I am fairly new to this league, but it would appear people have vast memories and ability to exaggerate incidents to hold a grudge for a great period of time. It actually makes interesting reading when subscribers talk about football issues other than who hit who on and off the field and what could, should and would happen to them.
Any chance that those who want to talk tough can start another forum or private message each other?

Interesting thought Rock that Sunshine would push Spotty.... I have played in a couple of fairly handy leagues, and the Spotty side I have seen this year, would be one of the best sides I have seen in park footy. But it all depends on the day who can produce. When talking about recruits to the league, O'Keefe would be up there as one of the top 5, he is kicking goals out of the midfield and keenan wouldn't be complaining to much when he gets on the lead for him.

[cougarman]

I am fairly new to this league, but it would appear people have vast memories and ability to exaggerate incidents to hold a grudge for a great period of time. It actually makes interesting reading when subscribers talk about football issues other than who hit who on and off the field and what could, should and would happen to them.
Any chance that those who want to talk tough can start another forum or private message each other?

Interesting thought Rock that Sunshine would push Spotty.... I have played in a couple of fairly handy leagues, and the Spotty side I have seen this year, would be one of the best sides I have seen in park footy. But it all depends on the day who can produce. When talking about recruits to the league, O'Keefe would be up there as one of the top 5, he is kicking goals out of the midfield and keenan wouldn't be complaining to much when he gets on the lead for him.


not suprised that rock could tip sunshine, the kangas always play well against us and we rate them pretty highly and it is at sunshine, spotty obviously the bench mark but everone is beatable

if sunshine get a run on they are very difficult to stop when they have momentum but i think spotty will still win by 4 or 5 goals

you are right about o'keefe though with all the big names that came into the wrfl this year he seems to have slipped under the guard somehow but has started the year very well

[footystar_]

Let's talk footy enough of the tough talk.
Finally a couple of good games this week, spotty v sunshine should be a cracker, i think if sunshine have a full list they will knock spotty off this week at home in front of the big crowd.
Cabs hows the team looking??
Albionv hoppers should also be a great contest but i think hoppers will win this one the cat have been going well but a desperate hoppers will take this one out.
How strongs will each team be this week???/ Any injury concerns?? Could someone from hoppers,spotty,albion and the kangas help us out.:thumbsu:

geez a few big calls there. albion in top form. steve zavarlas on fire across the back flank jason butina looking strong up forward. but i havn't seen hoppers so that will be a good game. umm i think blake richards might be back rock played 75% of round 1 and came off a bit sore. has missed the past two. should be an inclusion. other then that i don't think any injury. whats the news on hoppers

[footystar_]

why is yarriville w.footscray match of the round? it should be spotty v sunshine or albion v hoppers? agree?

[cougarman]

why is yarriville w.footscray match of the round? it should be spotty v sunshine or albion v hoppers? agree?

true footystar but they have to do every club during the year when else will yarra and west have a realistic chance of winning

[ROCK07]

Interesting thought Rock that Sunshine would push Spotty.... I have played in a couple of fairly handy leagues, and the Spotty side I have seen this year, would be one of the best sides I have seen in park footy. But it all depends on the day who can produce. When talking about recruits to the league, O'Keefe would be up there as one of the top 5, he is kicking goals out of the midfield and keenan wouldn't be complaining to much when he gets on the lead for him.

Yes spotty are certainly the team to beat, just think sunshine will be ready to play a top game and spotty mite just not be ready for this one but i'm probably wrong.

Not only o'keefe but mat shannon is back and along with mcgee i think they will be harder to beat this year than last from our point of view, but as cougar said anyone is beatable and in 18 days we will get to have a crack at them.

[colbol35]

Let's talk footy enough of the tough talk.
Finally a couple of good games this week, spotty v sunshine should be a cracker, i think if sunshine have a full list they will knock spotty off this week at home in front of the big crowd.
Cabs hows the team looking??
Albionv hoppers should also be a great contest but i think hoppers will win this one the cat have been going well but a desperate hoppers will take this one out.
How strongs will each team be this week???/ Any injury concerns?? Could someone from hoppers,spotty,albion and the kangas help us out.:thumbsu:

really looking forward to this fridays game, i think its a great initative by the comp and the two clubs, should draw a big crowd.

we are going in with pretty much a full llist to choose from, only one still questionable is spud theodore, but he may be right this week. will be some good match ups all around the ground, maybe foley might have to play back this week?? as we have a fairly tall forward line, with molan in top form. our backline has been superb all year, even thou the oppistion has been ordinary the last couple, the backs have set up alot of play for us. should be a really good test for us this friday.

okeefe has had a great start to the season he is definatley a top line player in the comp, matt shannon also a very good in for us also 2 or 3 others who are more than handy. The delivery from all the mids has been a1 this year so life has been pretty good down in the goal square:thumbsu:.

[Hotspot]

really looking forward to this fridays game, i think its a great initative by the comp and the two clubs, should draw a big crowd.

we are going in with pretty much a full llist to choose from, only one still questionable is spud theodore, but he may be right this week. will be some good match ups all around the ground, maybe foley might have to play back this week?? as we have a fairly tall forward line, with molan in top form. our backline has been superb all year, even thou the oppistion has been ordinary the last couple, the backs have set up alot of play for us. should be a really good test for us this friday.

okeefe has had a great start to the season he is definatley a top line player in the comp, matt shannon also a very good in for us also 2 or 3 others who are more than handy. The delivery from all the mids has been a1 this year so life has been pretty good down in the goal square:thumbsu:.

Whats got better delivery spottys midfield or the local pizza place.

[13-CABS]

Think we still have a few to come back in. Still no Ackas, Mentha, McGoldrick and possibly a few others. Might get Harrison back this week, along with Lubke. Really looking forward to this game, last few years Spotty have had our measure, think its been close to 10 goal hidings the last 3 or 4 times. Although as cougarman said when we get a run on we are hard to stop, especially at home. I'd imagine Foley will play forward, him and Morgz have really started working well together. Goring may head down back this weekend, hes been running through the midfield of late. Spottys are strong right across the ground, but there forward line seems pretty potent. Think the key for us is our ability to run and carry the ball for 4 quarters, hopefully Spotty might be a bit relaxed after a few easy wins.

[W begbee]

ackas back when did he last play? how is his back i heard he might of hurt it again in thailand???? or was that santa falling off the scooter? whats wrong with goldie not his nose still is it? in the end i hope ycw win then come to albion next week all cocky like last year. will be a good one at albion next week with the tent up again:)

[13-CABS]

Didnt hear that about his back. but thats not the reason he hasnt been playing, he had a knee reco last year so he should be back soon. santa did fall off a scooter, u seem to know it all, any chance u were there? haha. wont be going down to albion cocky at all, win or lose this weekend. think that that you would be favourite with ur pick ups this year. love that beer tent down there in the pocket, quite a funny day in the end.

[ROCK07]

Think we still have a few to come back in. Still no Ackas, Mentha, McGoldrick and possibly a few others. Might get Harrison back this week, along with Lubke. Really looking forward to this game, last few years Spotty have had our measure, think its been close to 10 goal hidings the last 3 or 4 times. Although as cougarman said when we get a run on we are hard to stop, especially at home. I'd imagine Foley will play forward, him and Morgz have really started working well together. Goring may head down back this weekend, hes been running through the midfield of late. Spottys are strong right across the ground, but there forward line seems pretty potent. Think the key for us is our ability to run and carry the ball for 4 quarters, hopefully Spotty might be a bit relaxed after a few easy wins.

Well i'll change my tip you need mentha and goldie to win,against spotty, but still should be a tight contest, spotty by 25pts

[BEAZER]

Yes spotty are certainly the team to beat, just think sunshine will be ready to play a top game and spotty mite just not be ready for this one but i'm probably wrong.

Not only o'keefe but mat shannon is back and along with mcgee i think they will be harder to beat this year than last from our point of view, but as cougar said anyone is beatable and in 18 days we will get to have a crack at them.

Sinnot is also a very handy new player and Bondy and Molan are basically new recruits given their injury and form last year.

[ROCK07]

Sinnot is also a very handy new player and Bondy and Molan are basically new recruits given their injury and form last year.

Molan played in the grand final so he's no new recruit, bondy will have to push puhar out the team to get a game.
So who are the the one's gone from the premeirship team,you,monty,szalay any playing two's??
INS-MCGEE,SHANNON.O'KEEFE,SINNOTT, any others
To be honest the big plus for spotty is mcgee probably their only weakness last year, shannon replaces monty,o'keefe replaces beazer probably with a bit more pace,so more midfield depth and a ruckmen,so a little better than last year....but maybe not as fit according to some players as ben kelly is to keen on doing the hard training as thoedore was last year....that's just what i've heard and i have made that mistake in the past also.

[johnny bravo]

This weekend's games.

Spotty just to get over the line to Sunshine (king to kick 5)
Albion in a close one against hoppers
Yarra/Seddon to beat West footscray (Wooden sppon)
Port colts to smash Glenordinary by 15 goals+
Altona who player well last week to beat St Albans

[BEAZER]

Molan played in the grand final so he's no new recruit, bondy will have to push puhar out the team to get a game.
So who are the the one's gone from the premeirship team,you,monty,szalay any playing two's??
INS-MCGEE,SHANNON.O'KEEFE,SINNOTT, any others
To be honest the big plus for spotty is mcgee probably their only weakness last year, shannon replaces monty,o'keefe replaces beazer probably with a bit more pace,so more midfield depth and a ruckmen,so a little better than last year....but maybe not as fit according to some players as ben kelly is to keen on doing the hard training as thoedore was last year....that's just what i've heard and i have made that mistake in the past also.

I know Mollo played last year but he was injured all year and didnt have the year everybody expected from him. He will basically be a new player given how much better he will be this year. Monty is very hard to replace even though he didnt have the best finals sesries. Bryce Hayes has gone and Im pretty sure Peter Wilson isnt playing and he is very under-rated as Im sure you'd agree. He did a pretty good job on you in a couple of games last year. Im up here but am missing home a bit so I may be back the 2nd half of the year. I may not get a game though the way they are going. Its a funny 1 with the training. We definitely did a lot more hard running at training last year but Im pretty sure everybodys 3km time trials were pretty good this year in comparison to last year. Chops puts a huge emphasis on intensity so maybe the guys are training shorter but more intense. Who knows.

So basically its been in - Shannon, McGhie, OKeeke and Sinnot and out Me, Monty, Wilson and Hayes. You would have to say that the in's are better than the out's.

[The Kickoligist]

This weekend's games.

Spotty just to get over the line to Sunshine (king to kick 5)
Albion in a close one against hoppers
Yarra/Seddon to beat West footscray (Wooden sppon)
Port colts to smash Glenordinary by 15 goals+
Altona who player well last week to beat St Albans
This weekends games.

Spotty to smash Sunshine by 9 goals. Molan to kick 6.
West Footscray to just beat Yarraville in a close one.
Port Colts to smash Glenorden. Perkins to kick 7.
Hoppers to beat Albion by 4 goals. Albions forward line still a concern, Butina only target.
St Albans by 8 goals over Altona, Saints will bounce back after a terrible effort last week. Spooner to kick 7.

[playsnogood]

The points system, a concept that will even up the competition.
This is how it works- Each team is ranked at the start of the year on previous year and have to put a team out on the park up to but not exceeding a certain number of points.
ie Spotty, Hoppers, Port Melbourne, would start at 44 points
on the other end of the scale, you could have Yarraville, Wests and Altona starting on 52 points.
Any variance in these points can be appealed.

5 points for an AFL player or player from within the league (that help prevents clubs taking other players from sides within the league)
4 points- State League Player (VFL/SANFL/WAFL etc/Vic/SA Country representative etc from previous season. ie- 2007 season
3 points- Major League- These leagues have been classified and play in Worksafe cup- i.e Ballarat, Bendigo, Ovens & Murry, Geelong, Central Murry or Major metro leagues and A Grade Ammos
2 points- Any minor league- Eg- Riddell, Maryborough Castlemaine, GDFL and division 2 leagues and below A Grade ammos
1 point- Junior player or player that has been at the club for 3 years.

At the end of each season a point is deducted from each player to reward loyality as an ex AFL player in 3 years time would only be worth 2 points.

This system prevents sides from going out and just buying a side recklessly and also ensures that players become more loyal. It has shown in other leagues that recruits stay longer.

All sides have different points and this would be evaluated from the last 3 years results. That enables bottom sides or side elevated out of Div 2 to have a higher points allocation to recruit quality players, but not buy a whole team. It also places more emphasis on top teams to promote from within keep players at the club longer and develop juniors.

Thats roughly how it operates...
Sides have been known to play with 1 interchange player due to not being able to fit under the points system. It can be policed easily as all players are ranked at the start of the season and it can be notified on team sheet before game and the league administrtors would just go over it. Clubs could even monitor it, if the league handed out what all players are worth.
(this was pirated from another league talking about the same issues)

comments????

[13-CABS]

Interesting concept, just had a look at our side from the weekend and worked it out to be at 48 points. thats still with a few quality players out, including recruits from other clubs so the points tally would rise. A few things need to be clarified, a guy like Quinny who has been at the club for 4 years now but made the VFL list after he joined the club, does he count for 4 points? also someone like a Foley who originally came from us but played VFL last year, is he 4 points too? They have shown loyalty by returning or staying with the club so surely there points tally should be lowered. Would be interesting to see which teams would be under it, id imagine Altona would be well under it, along with Colts who have kept that core group for years. Albion you think would be well over with all the players they have recruited from within the league being worth 4 points each.

[obe1]

The points system, a concept that will even up the competition.


comments????

It seems a good system in the more affluent leagues, the colts side's average points under this system to date is 31.

Interested to read that of others.

No disrespect intended but even if West and Yarraville had 100 points they ( and others) do not have the environment or the cash to fulfill there quota.

A good proposal in theory but at the end of the day its all about the "people" at your particular club. Its a lame analegy but you tend to get out of things what you put into them in my expiriances

[THE RED MAN]

As for Luke and seeing things coming, he is at times a little oblivious to most things. If it were as you recalled , he obviously bears no grudge. He made his affections to Rock perfectly clear at a finals game we all watched last year. In fact if I didn't now better you would have though he was a colts person, his comments on his current club, their hierarchy and other insitefull matters were enlightening[/quote]

Obe1, what were luke's thoughts on his current club, hierachy and insiteful matters???

and lucky for you Obe, he wasn't talking about himself!!!!:p

[cmat26]

It seems a good system in the more affluent leagues, the colts side's average points under this system to date is 31.

Interested to read that of others.

No disrespect intended but even if West and Yarraville had 100 points they ( and others) do not have the environment or the cash to fulfill there quota.

A good proposal in theory but at the end of the day its all about the "people" at your particular club. Its a lame analegy but you tend to get out of things what you put into them in my expiriances

With not being certain on how you would clasify a few players, the side Altona went out with on Saturday would total 29. Pretty sure it would only be slightly higher for the previous two weeks.

Round 1 was 28 and Round 2 was 29.

[obe1]

[quote=THE RED MAN;10773148)
:thumbsu:
and lucky for you One, he wasn't talking about himself!!!!:p[/quote]

It was all complementary, spoke in glowing terms of all things "hoppers".

Modesty is his middle name ( as you know ) so there wasn't a mention of himself in the discussion. One thing that impressed me however was his ability to hold four cans of beer, continuly drinking out of one and not spilling a drop. Very talented:thumbsu:

[pascal]

Interesting concept, just had a look at our side from the weekend and worked it out to be at 48 points. thats still with a few quality players out, including recruits from other clubs so the points tally would rise. A few things need to be clarified, a guy like Quinny who has been at the club for 4 years now but made the VFL list after he joined the club, does he count for 4 points? also someone like a Foley who originally came from us but played VFL last year, is he 4 points too? They have shown loyalty by returning or staying with the club so surely there points tally should be lowered. Would be interesting to see which teams would be under it, id imagine Altona would be well under it, along with Colts who have kept that core group for years. Albion you think would be well over with all the players they have recruited from within the league being worth 4 points each.

Brought this to the attention of an Albion supporter and he said of the Semi Final team last year ten of the 22 played there juniors at Albion.

[BEAZER]

It seems a good system in the more affluent leagues, the colts side's average points under this system to date is 31.

Interested to read that of others.

No disrespect intended but even if West and Yarraville had 100 points they ( and others) do not have the environment or the cash to fulfill there quota.

A good proposal in theory but at the end of the day its all about the "people" at your particular club. Its a lame analegy but you tend to get out of things what you put into them in my expiriances

I agree totally. This wont make the lower clubs any better, it will make the top clubs a little weaker. It will bring the top 5 or 6 sides closer together and it will make the gap between the top sides and the lower sides less but the lower sides have to find a way (and f#ck knows how) to get players to their club and make them stronger, rather than relying on restraints being put on other clubs to make them weaker. The gap between the top and bottom is way too great to solely rely on this system. It will also drop the quality in the comp.

[playsnogood]

The system is designed to reduce the number of middle rung clubs, poaching players from the cellar dwellars to top up their list, and entice clubs to seek players from outside the league. By doing this the overall strength of the league will improve as better players are brought into it.
It also gives benefit to teams who promote junior development and works at retaining the playing list from year to year.
From what i have seen in the league, there are some clubs who have managed to maintain their list over several years and have reaped the success of this, and as such should be rewarded.
The system can only work if every team plays atleast from u'16 up.
There will still be teams that will struggle, with injuries, retirements and poor years in junior development, but it will mean that most likely every team may struggle over time, because they won't be able to just go out and buy the best team they can afford, instead they will have to play locals and juniors.
It rewards loyalty.
And just a side note, it has been implemented to some extent in the NBL for the last couple of years