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Graham Thorpe has call it quits for the time being for first class cricket after the breakdown of his marriage. Thorpe has said
I am feeling very worn-down and burnt out by events off the field which have become a major distraction and prevented me from fully focussing on my cricket. I'm planning to take a break so I can make my children the No1 priority in my life and give myself time to re-adjust to my changed domestic circumstances.
This now leaves the question of who will come in for a one off test before Marcus Tresthcocik is available again.
Briedis
31 Jul 2002, 09:55
Milton Keynes hey Slax! I've been ten-pin bowling in Milton Keynes!!
Anyway, I guess Mark Ramprakash may come in? Any of you Poms have any thoughts on who is the next in line for the test batting spot in teh English side? Ufzal?
Brett Li
31 Jul 2002, 17:52
Originally posted by Briedis
Milton Keynes hey Slax! I've been ten-pin bowling in Milton Keynes!!
Anyway, I guess Mark Ramprakash may come in? Any of you Poms have any thoughts on who is the next in line for the test batting spot in teh English side? Ufzal?
Ufzal? Is that supposed to be a joke?. Not to mention your choice of Irani as a real contender...Briedis, I wonder about you sometimes.
Stop thinking with your groin Wayne Carey!
Brett Li
1 Aug 2002, 19:49
Originally posted by Squeak
Stop thinking with your groin Wayne Carey!
what is that supposed to mean?
Originally posted by Briedis
Milton Keynes hey Slax! I've been ten-pin bowling in Milton Keynes!!
Anyway, I guess Mark Ramprakash may come in? Any of you Poms have any thoughts on who is the next in line for the test batting spot in teh English side? Ufzal?
The choice seems to be between Ian Bell, who is very young & has been earmarked as a definite Test player of the future (he's about 20) he's a bit of an Atherton type (bit more attacking) but basically a good technician who doesn't really look to take the attack to the bowlers.
The other candidate is Robert Key, he's mid 20s & basically I don't reckon he's Test class.
Or thirdly it's everyone's favourite Ramprkash, who could be recalled to the team for the 85th time breaking the previous record of Graeme Hick who broke the prvious record of Phil Tufnell who broke the prvious record of.....................
Brett Li
1 Aug 2002, 21:33
Originally posted by DIPPER
The choice seems to be between Ian Bell, who is very young & has been earmarked as a definite Test player of the future (he's about 20) he's a bit of an Atherton type (bit more attacking) but basically a good technician who doesn't really look to take the attack to the bowlers.
The other candidate is Robert Key, he's mid 20s & basically I don't reckon he's Test class.
Or thirdly it's everyone's favourite Ramprkash, who could be recalled to the team for the 85th time breaking the previous record of Graeme Hick who broke the prvious record of Phil Tufnell who broke the prvious record of.....................
Any Kent Player screams panic selection. Over the years....
Ealham, Fleming, Igglesdon, Cowdrey, Patel, McCague...with the exception of maybe Headley (never fit). has this county ever produced any decent players?
Youngster
2 Aug 2002, 00:25
Originally posted by Brett Li
Any Kent Player screams panic selection. Over the years....
Ealham, Fleming, Igglesdon, Cowdrey, Patel, McCague...with the exception of maybe Headley (never fit). has this county ever produced any decent players?
If I recall, Deadly Derek Underwood was from Kent, also the jackinthe box Alan Knott....
Brett Li
2 Aug 2002, 00:34
Originally posted by Youngster
If I recall, Deadly Derek Underwood was from Kent, also the jackinthe box Alan Knott....
In the 70's yes. I was thinking of current times. Sorry, can't remeber 1970's cricket well.:D
Originally posted by DIPPER
The choice seems to be between Ian Bell, who is very young & has been earmarked as a definite Test player of the future (he's about 20) he's a bit of an Atherton type (bit more attacking) but basically a good technician who doesn't really look to take the attack to the bowlers.
The other candidate is Robert Key, he's mid 20s & basically I don't reckon he's Test class.
Or thirdly it's everyone's favourite Ramprkash, who could be recalled to the team for the 85th time breaking the previous record of Graeme Hick who broke the prvious record of Phil Tufnell who broke the prvious record of.....................
...Key, in addition to not being test-class, is a repellant pie-boy. I've met him ..... and can tell you he's a complete idiot!
...this thread appears to be harking back to my post re: 'England Middle Order Dilemma' a few weeks ago......
Originally posted by Brett Li
Ufzal? Is that supposed to be a joke?. Not to mention your choice of Irani as a real contender...Briedis, I wonder about you sometimes.
I still reckon Irani will be very useful in the English one-day side.
Well, last year Ufzal was the next biggest batting sensation according to the Pommie commentators so I imagined that he would be next in line ...
Hey Brett, try suggesting someone else and help me out. I have little idea of upcoming Pommie cricketers. You do seem to like to knock others opinions but rarely back your statements up. It gets a bit frustrating when you are trying to have a decent discussion.
What's happened to Ufzal?
SeinDude
2 Aug 2002, 13:05
If Mark Ramprakash gets back in the England test team, that's taking a step backwards in my opinion. Surely there is a promising young batsman who deserves an opportunity to represent his country and show what he can do??
Cheers!! :cool:
Seindude
Originally posted by Briedis
I still reckon Irani will be very useful in the English one-day side.
Well, last year Ufzal was the next biggest batting sensation according to the Pommie commentators so I imagined that he would be next in line ...
Hey Brett, try suggesting someone else and help me out. I have little idea of upcoming Pommie cricketers. You do seem to like to knock others opinions but rarely back your statements up. It gets a bit frustrating when you are trying to have a decent discussion.
What's happened to Ufzal?
Ufzal is thankfully having a pretty average season as befits a pretty average cricketer.As far as I'm concerned he's the worst sort of pr1ck, he walks with a strut & is very ****y & yet he does nothing to back it up, I still squirm at his histrionics at making 50(& then getting out) in one of the Tests against Australia,one of the commentataors put it nicely by saying he thought he'd scored a double century from his reaction:D .
I'm not sure he was ever seen as the new batting sensation, most people were very surprised that he got a go in the side, at the time most people wanted Shah to get a game & thought Afzal might be the go in the 1 day side.He has such a loose technique that he'll never score test runs.
I happen to agree with you in regards to Irani, I'm happy to have him in the 1 day side but them I'm biased as an Essex fan but I still have fond memeories of spending about 7 hours doing a Ronnie Irani song in 1 day match at the Oval against Surrey, it was based on a song that Liverpool FC supporters used to sing to acclaim their Israeli international Ronnie Rosenthal & is sung to the tune of the Jewish wedding song & involves everyone dancing round & round slapping their hands on their heads like they do at Jewish weddings:D -it's guaranteed to p1ss off all those people around you that aren't particualryl innebriated but as they all supported Surrey we couldn't give a rats ar*e.
As to what you've said Seindude it's a fair point except unlike the fast bowlers none of the decent young batsmen are making strong cases for inclusion & that's why Ramprakash's name keeps coming up, who let's not forget averages 42 against Australia compared with less than 30 against all nations;) .
It's pretty hit & miss as to what batsmen make an impact for us at test level,palyers like Crawley,Hick & Ramprakash have all had really good first class averages & have struggled at Test level whilst Trescothick & Vaughn both average in the low 30s but have done pretty well at Test level.
Originally posted by DIPPER
Ufzal is thankfully having a pretty average season as befits a pretty average cricketer.As far as I'm concerned he's the worst sort of pr1ck, he walks with a strut & is very ****y & yet he does nothing to back it up, I still squirm at his histrionics at making 50(& then getting out) in one of the Tests against Australia,one of the commentataors put it nicely by saying he thought he'd scored a double century from his reaction:D .
I'm not sure he was ever seen as the new batting sensation, most people were very surprised that he got a go in the side, at the time most people wanted Shah to get a game & thought Afzal might be the go in the 1 day side.He has such a loose technique that he'll never score test runs.
I happen to agree with you in regards to Irani, I'm happy to have him in the 1 day side but them I'm biased as an Essex fan but I still have fond memeories of spending about 7 hours doing a Ronnie Irani song in 1 day match at the Oval against Surrey, it was based on a song that Liverpool FC supporters used to sing to acclaim their Israeli international Ronnie Rosenthal & is sung to the tune of the Jewish wedding song & involves everyone dancing round & round slapping their hands on their heads like they do at Jewish weddings:D -it's guaranteed to p1ss off all those people around you that aren't particualryl innebriated but as they all supported Surrey so we couldn't give a rats ar*e.
As to what you've said Seindude it's a fair point except unlike the fast bowlers none of the decent young batsmen are making strong cases for inclusion & that's why Ramprakash's name keeps coming up, who let's not forget averages 42 against Australia compared with less than 30 against all nations;) .
It's pretty hit & miss as to what batsmen make an impact for us at test level,palyers like Crawley,Hick & Ramprakash have all had really good first class averages & have struggled at Test level whilst Trescothick & Vaughn both average in the low 30s but have done pretty well at Test level.
SeinDude
3 Aug 2002, 01:14
Originally posted by DIPPER
As to what you've said Seindude it's a fair point except unlike the fast bowlers none of the decent young batsmen are making strong cases for inclusion & that's why Ramprakash's name keeps coming up, who let's not forget averages 42 against Australia compared with less than 30 against all nations;) .
It's pretty hit & miss as to what batsmen make an impact for us at test level,palyers like Crawley,Hick & Ramprakash have all had really good first class averages & have struggled at Test level whilst Trescothick & Vaughn both average in the low 30s but have done pretty well at Test level.
I think you'll find Trescothick's first class record will dramatically improve as he plays more matches as he's a quality batsman.
As for Ramprakash, it is funny how he's done so well against us as opposed to other countries, but even an average of 42 would barely get into the Australian side. I just done rate Ramprakash all that much, and I think England can surely do a lot better!!
What about Nick Knight as an opener, Butcher back to #3, Hussain back to #4 and Crawley at #5???
Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude
Originally posted by SeinDude
I think you'll find Trescothick's first class record will dramatically improve as he plays more matches as he's a quality batsman.
As for Ramprakash, it is funny how he's done so well against us as opposed to other countries, but even an average of 42 would barely get into the Australian side. I just done rate Ramprakash all that much, and I think England can surely do a lot better!!
What about Nick Knight as an opener, Butcher back to #3, Hussain back to #4 and Crawley at #5???
Cheers!! :cool:
SeinDude
Nick Knight can't cut it at test level, his technique is pretty ropey & he's become a bit of a circus act in the 1day game where his approach of running down the pitch or moving a long way to the leg or off sides is starting to prove pretty hit or miss.
Out of interest what are the averages of the Australian top 6?I know Steve Waugh averages about 50 but what about the rest of them ,I wouldn't have thought Hayden & Langer average that much more than 42.Plus you've got to remember that Ramps' average of 42 was earned against the likes of Warne,McGrath,Gillespie etc so it's probably worth about twice that I mean he's never had to face Illott,Bicknell,Croft,Sidebottom in Tests has he:D
Still i agree with you i don't really rate the guy, he' too weak in the mind department & I'm afraid it's too late for him to sort it out now.
The feeling is that Key will come in to open & then as you advised Butcher will go to 3 with Hussain at 4 & Crawley at 5.