View Full Version : Waite Vs Ryder
TrueBlues08
16 Apr 2008, 17:09
whos better?
bluesforever
16 Apr 2008, 17:14
Waite. Simply because he can play forward or back so he would be much more valuable to a coach. Ryder looks good for the future of the Essendon backline though.
waite at the moment, but hes got about 5-6 years on ryder.
ryder will be a way better player though.
Poor poll considering Wait is 25 and has played nearly 100 games and Ryder is 20 and in his second year as a defender after playing all his junior footy as a Forward and Ruckman.
Ryder.
Right now Waite easily.
Who knows in a year or two......Once Ryder gets that timidness out of his game he will go alright.
Also I am a little suspect of his confidence; he never seems to want to take them on and kick the ball. It's always a quick handpass.
Also I am a little suspect of his confidence; he never seems to want to take them on and kick the ball. It's always a quick handpass.
Career stats
Kicks 168
Handballs 151
2008 stats
Kicks 26
Handballs 26
:cool:
thebigboy
16 Apr 2008, 17:59
Ryder will dominate CHB & FB for the next 10+ years and if he wasn't so good in defence, would make an excellent Ruckman.
Waite in my view isn't suited to being a Key Defender. As a Wingman/Half Forward or CHF, he's a lot more dangerous to oppositions.
Where we are at right now with our club and where were going, Ryder is the one i want.
Claude Balls
16 Apr 2008, 18:32
If the question was who would you have RIGHT now, in order to help you win a game, I could understand Waite polling a few votes given that he has at least 4 years on Ryder.
In a general sense however, Ryder should be killing this poll. While Waite has been promising something for a good 5 years, he has largely failed to deliver. He can't kick, and more or less lacks the class that Ryder appears to have in good measure.
Not the Carlton player.:rolleyes:
Raskolnikov
16 Apr 2008, 18:36
13 Carlton supporters have voted so far. Ryder by so much it ain't funny.
danzan22
16 Apr 2008, 18:43
Waite. Simply because he can play forward or back so he would be much more valuable to a coach. Ryder looks good for the future of the Essendon backline though.
Probably one of the most supidest statements i have read, Ryder can play ruck, foward and back.
gbatman
16 Apr 2008, 18:59
At the moment Waite by a fair bit but Rydeer will catch up and also make a very good player, they are both going to improve a lot just yet. It's like comparing Dunstall with Lockett here, before they made it...
I'll be able to tell you in 8 years.
Kaiser Powser
16 Apr 2008, 19:17
What is with these stupid Essendon Vs Carlton polls that are all ridiculously mismatched.
Waite is about 5 years older than Ryder, stupid poll, they are at completely different parts of their development.
I refuse to vote in any of these silly posts.
JKCeagle
16 Apr 2008, 20:27
Ryder - extra points for not being the oldest youngster in the league (unlike the other option in this poll) :thumbsu:
Team Mo'
16 Apr 2008, 20:32
waite now...time will tell though
Smyth94
16 Apr 2008, 20:35
Waite is a poor man's Ryder
Ryder can actually kick the ball, pretty important I reckon
Ryder now and onwards because of his amazing vertical leap
dave_27
16 Apr 2008, 20:53
Ryder now, Ryder in 5 years time.
smiddaz123
16 Apr 2008, 20:57
Ryder will be a MUCH better player. He'll be every bit as good as Adam Goodes if he plays ruck.
chodadude
16 Apr 2008, 21:12
After watching Ryder play this season in a few games, i think he has improved alot...as far as i can tell anyway.
Waite is more versitile, as he can be a key target up forward and in the midfield for sections of the game.
Not saying Ryder can't, but he is still developing as a player and will no doubt be experimented in different roles while they have the chance. Essendon are lucky to have 2 great full backs in Mal and Dustin to teach him and lead him to become a better footballer
delirious1
16 Apr 2008, 22:10
Ryder.
Big John
17 Apr 2008, 00:30
Ryder is a better player now, and is improving at a rapid rate. Waite is in the peak of his career, and he's nothing special.
Johnny_Segment
17 Apr 2008, 13:10
Probably one of the most supidest statements i have read, Ryder can play ruck, foward and back.
He may be able to in the future but he hasn't yet. He has been very good down back learning from Dustin but he has done nothing up forward and has been ordinary in the ruck. Waite has played very well both forward and back. Ryder may turn out to be better but the question is about right now so it is Waite easily.
Lance Uppercut
17 Apr 2008, 13:12
ye gods, I can't believe anyone would pick Waite over Ryder if they had the choice :confused:
Johnny_Segment
17 Apr 2008, 13:16
ye gods, I can't believe anyone would pick Waite over Ryder if they had the choice :confused:
If I was picking one to play at Hawthorn right now for the rest of the season (which is what the question asks) I would take waite in a heartbeat. If I was picking one to play at the Hawks for the rest of his career it would be Ryder. There is no doubt that Ryder will eventually be a better player but at the moment, waite can do 2 things Ryder can't -
Play forward
Play on the likes of Jonothan Brown, Pavlich, Franklin.
Il Naso De Gastev
17 Apr 2008, 13:22
This poll shows how stupid a lot of Carlton supporters are. Ryder has been nothing but impressive since debuting... Waite, while playing well now, overall his 7-8 year career has been a disappointment.
If the clubs were reversed, Ryder was at Carlton and Waite at Essendon you'd all be raving about Ryder and saying how ordinary Waite has been. Goes to show that footy jumpers are the major cause of blindness in Australia.
waite can do 2 things Ryder can't -
Play forward
Play on the likes of Jonothan Brown, Pavlich, Franklin.
Wrong.
Ryder has kicked goals this year while being switched forward and can play forward very well. He has also drifted forward and kicked goals while playing as a defender.
He has played on Franklin last year, keeping him to 4 goals 1 of which was kicked straight to Franklin from Johns in a misskick.
Johnny_Segment
17 Apr 2008, 13:35
Wrong.
Ryder has kicked goals this year while being switched forward and can play forward very well. He has also drifted forward and kicked goals while playing as a defender.
He has played on Franklin last year, keeping him to 4 goals 1 of which was kicked straight to Franklin from Johns in a misskick.
What are you talking about? Ryder has kicked 1 goal this year for a total of 6 over his career. Waite has kicked 100 including 13 games where he has kicked 3+. Ryder may move forward over his career and be brilliant but right now he has not been any better than Waite as a defender but Waite clearly has him beaten as a forward.
What are you talking about? Ryder has kicked 1 goal this year for a total of 6 over his career. Waite has kicked 100 including 13 games where he has kicked 3+. Ryder may move forward over his career and be brilliant but right now he has not been any better than Waite as a defender but Waite clearly has him beaten as a forward.
You are right about his goal kicking this year, i thought he kicked one last week against the dogs while drifting forward but he missed.
He did kick 1 against carlton while being moved forward.
I didn't dispute who was better atm, but that Ryder hasn't played on Franklin, which you conveniently forgot too mention.
Johnny_Segment
17 Apr 2008, 14:01
I didn't dispute who was better atm, but that Ryder hasn't played on Franklin, which you conveniently forgot too mention.
He did play on him last year and held him to 7 scoring shots. I wasn't saying that he doesn't play on Brown, Pavlich, Franklin, rather that he can't. At the moment he is not strong enough. I have seen Waite considerably beat both Franklin and Pavlich.
TheGeneral
17 Apr 2008, 14:20
13 Carlton supporters have voted so far. Ryder by so much it ain't funny.
Waite is the better player ATM, so club loyalties can't be used as an excuse for people voting for Waite.
vinnie_vegas69
17 Apr 2008, 14:43
Waite's better now, Ryder will be much better in the future x104535
rainman06
17 Apr 2008, 14:53
He did play on him last year and held him to 7 scoring shots. I wasn't saying that he doesn't play on Brown, Pavlich, Franklin, rather that he can't. At the moment he is not strong enough. I have seen Waite considerably beat both Franklin and Pavlich.
Ryder hasnt been given the opportunity to do that yet but he will in time. Also worth mentioning he can shut down a Robert Murphy for 4 quarters, something Waite could not do, not as effectively anyway.
BABYBOMBERS2007
18 Apr 2008, 21:35
Ryder is clearly better and has only been in the AFL a couple of years. He will eventually be one of the best defenders in the AFL.
Boundary Boy
19 Apr 2008, 01:20
Waite. Simply because he can play forward or back so he would be much more valuable to a coach. Ryder looks good for the future of the Essendon backline though.
Ryder just as valuable to bombers playing a key role in defence - just as Fletcher has been so important for bombers over more than a decade so will Ryder. He can play forward as shown tonight v Saints. Went forward & kicked a goal. Can play in the ruck. Fantastic closing speed and has plenty of time - sign of a good player. This poll will seem silly in 5 years time with Ryder being in elite category.
rainman06
19 Apr 2008, 01:26
Paddy again proved why he is better than every young defender in the comp tonight. Actually stuff that, better than every young player in the comp.