Squad for Saturday - JACKY DEBUTS!!

[fightingdreamer88]

The team is:

B: Johncock, Rutten, Bassett
HB: Doughty, Bock, McLeod
C: van Berlo, Thompson, Mackay
HF: Douglas, Stevens, Edwards
F: Vince, Burton, McGregor
R: Griffin, Porplyzia, Goodwin
Inter: Tippett, Jacky, Shirley, Symes
Emerg: Dangerfield, Maric, Otten
Into 22: Jacky
Out of 22: Campbell (ankle)

Well I am stoked for young Jarrhan, a fine talent, it will be great to watch him play. Can't pile the expectations on him first up, but hopefully he holds his own and shows some good signs.

As for the non-selection of Maric, this surprises me, however it was just the one standout game from Ivan so perhaps the club is wanting him to absolutely bust the door down with form before he gets recalled. Also, a like for a like with Jacky in for Campbell. The only issue I have is that Shirley gets another gold ticket.

Obviously the club has a structure/plan in place with regards to the talls, I won't speculate on what it is but this is an AFL club with the most meticulous planning coach in the league; they would have something very clear set out. I trust the club, and I'm not going to jump to conclusions or have a cry.

Good luck Jarrhan!!! :thumbsu:

[-CG-]

Yay :)

I like what I've seen of Jarrhan, just the type of player we need I reckon.

[betterthanu]

Im pretty ____in angry right now

Maric must have run over Craigs dog or something

[Drummond]

Very disappointed.

Great work Neil Craig, still refusing to play Maric. Good luck in Melbourne next year Ivan.

Jacky? Hardly showed anything to suggest he's AFL ready.

Shirley? Just got to laugh I guess. Being named kind of goes against the rebuilding thoughts.

[marvin]

Looks about as good a team as we can put on the park this week to me.

[topjars]

Campbells ankle injury probably masked him from being dropped
Goodluck Jarrahn:thumbsu:

[Jars458]

Perhaps Griffin will play the first half of the season and when his body starts to hurt, Maric will come in.

No doubt Neil, gets an idea and sticks to it.

Bringing in another youngster for Shirley probably leave teh side TOO inexperienced. There is rebuilding and then there is demolition.

[fightingdreamer88]

Very disappointed.

Great work Neil Craig, still refusing to play Maric. Good luck in Melbourne next year Ivan.

Jacky? Hardly showed anything to suggest he's AFL ready.

Shirley? Just got to laugh I guess. Being named kind of goes against the rebuilding thoughts.

You are being absolutely ridiculous. The whole Maric suggestion has stemmed from this board hasn't it? You guys think you're so high and mighty that your thoughts = a supreme strategy that the coaching staff at a top-class AFL club cannot possibly match?

[fightingdreamer88]

Perhaps Griffin will play the first half of the season and when his body starts to hurt, Maric will come in.

No doubt Neil, gets an idea and sticks to it.

Bringing in another youngster for Shirley probably leave teh side TOO inexperienced. There is rebuilding and then there is demolition.

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. I'm sure the club has a clear plan in mind. :thumbsu:

[Coopers]

While I'm dissapointed not to see Maric in the team, Tippet is developing some Ruck skills through this experience, which makes him an even more valuable and versatile player.

I really would like to see Maric come in and be a 10 year ruckman for this club though.
Sometime before Griff falls apart under the constant onslaught of being too light.

C'Mon Maric... show us some form, demand a spot...

[Drummond]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. I'm sure the club has a clear plan in mind. :thumbsu:
:rolleyes:

Or maybe, just maybe, Neil isn't the genius many make him out to be. Everyone other than that stubborn man can see clear as day that Tippett should play as a permanent forward as we would be better off bringing in Maric to be the back-up ruckman. Sandilands will kill both our our ruckmen, and Tippett will get tired very quickly against the big man.

BRING IN MARIC. I'll post this until it eventuates. If not, we'll lose another ruckman and wouldn't that be awesome. :thumbsu:

C'Mon Maric... show us some form, demand a spot...
37 hit-outs, 17 possessions, 2 goals isn't good form? What more can he do?

While I'm dissapointed not to see Maric in the team, Tippet is developing some Ruck skills through this experience, which makes him an even more valuable and versatile player.
Oh look, it's Craigy's favourite word!!!

[hey shorty]

Gee Drum youre way too hard to please arent you. Never mind the fact Jacky now wont be available to take on your "mighty" Redlegs.

The non-selection of Maric does puzzle me but unlike some I have faith in the match-committee to choose they players they think will get us across the line on Sunday.

Go get 'em Jarrhan :thumbsu:

[whitey_1975]

I am not sure its a like for like except they are both smalls, but anyway good luck to jackie hope he does enough to give the team and supporters something to look forward to.:thumbsu:
EDIT Cornes keeps suggesting Dangerfield will play aswell, i hope so at the expense of Shirley

[fightingdreamer88]

:rolleyes:

Or maybe, just maybe, Neil isn't the genius many make him out to be. Everyone other than that stubborn man can see clear as day that Tippett should play as a permanent forward as we would be better off bringing in Maric to be the back-up ruckman. Sandilands will kill both our our ruckmen, and Tippett will get tired very quickly against the big man.

BRING IN MARIC. I'll post this until it eventuates. If not, we'll lose another ruckman and wouldn't that be awesome. :thumbsu:


37 hit-outs, 17 possessions, 2 goals isn't good form? What more can he do?

How about produce that sort of footy in consecutive weeks? DEMAND A SPOT.

Seriously dude, this is an AFL club with a network of people professionally trained to handle each and every facet of this club's management. They get right up close and work personally with the players; who are you to say whether Jacky is ready for his debut or not? Who are you to say that playing Maric isn't a double-edged sword? Who are you to say what the club wants to do with Tippett? Their plans may have changed, we don't know. We can have our opinions, but you jump to some pretty wild conclusions here Drumworth.

[starskyCrow87]

all the best jacky!:D

gr8 to see the young man get a chance, we need a permanent small forward and i think jacky fits the bill, probably will take time for him to develop but good to see him getting a shot at the big time!

dont know a whole lot about him but does he have the engine to be involved in our midfield rotations at this stage? or will he more likely be used permanently in the forward lines?

[Dandy_GO]

Jacky looked a long way off during the NAB cup, and hasn't exactly set the world on fire in the SANFL.
Don't get me wrong, I think he'll be a good player and he's certainly shown glimpses, but I'm very surprised at this selection. I feel he's a player who needs a bit more time.
Whilst we could definately use a small crumbing forward and those types of players are often the quickest to adapt to AFL level, I would have preferred to see Ivan come in as 1) I don't think it would have upset team balance at all, 2) his last two games should have been enough to earn him a spot in the side, and 3) god damn I want to see Tippett up forward all day.

Regardless of this, I wish Jacky the best of luck and am looking forward to seeing how he goes.

[boris danes]

Is this the first time Otten has been near the squad?
Has he been named as an emergency before?

[RoosterLad]

WIth Jacky in the team does that mean we might have a small crumber to feed off the balls which hit the deck? Wouldn't that be amazing.

Hopefully he continues to develop, Tippett ends up forward and they can both work well together.

[fightingdreamer88]

I am not sure its a like for like except they are both smalls, but anyway good luck to jackie hope he does enough to give the team and supporters something to look forward to.:thumbsu:
EDIT Cornes keeps suggesting Dangerfield will play aswell, i hope so at the expense of Shirley

Yeah that's what I meant. X)

[starskyCrow87]

Is this the first time Otten has been near the squad?
Has he been named as an emergency before?


Im pretty sure this is his first time as an emergency duing the AFL season, (he may have been close in the NAB Cup though). Jhacky and Dangerfield were our emergencies last week.

[fightingdreamer88]

WIth Jacky in the team does that mean we might have a small crumber to feed off the balls which hit the deck? Wouldn't that be amazing.

Hopefully he continues to develop, Tippett ends up forward and they can both work well together.

Would be a great sight to see a crumbing goal from our forward line. :thumbsu:

[Vader]

Disappointed that Shirley retained his golden ticket. Must have cost Maric his place in the side - also disappointed that he didn't get selected this week.

However, stoked for young Jacky, making his debut this early in the season. Congratulations to the young lad and hope he does well.

[jenny61_99]

Very disappointed.

Great work Neil Craig, still refusing to play Maric. Good luck in Melbourne next year Ivan.

Jacky? Hardly showed anything to suggest he's AFL ready.

Shirley? Just got to laugh I guess. Being named kind of goes against the rebuilding thoughts.

Does Maric play for Norwood and Jacky not?? ;)

There MUST be a reason Maric isn't getting a run yet Drummond... something that we don't know about. I was thinking maybe they are saving his body for the second half of the season? Just a thought. Hang in there though, he will get a run.

[cocka]

all the best jacky!:D

gr8 to see the young man get a chance, we need a permanent small forward and i think jacky fits the bill, probably will take time for him to develop but good to see him getting a shot at the big time!


We need a permanent full forward! I'm just worried what we are doing to Tippett, let him be at FF.

Maric in for Shirley would of been perfect.

Very happy for Jacky, will be a cult figure, top lad. :thumbsu:

[-CG-]

While I'm dissapointed not to see Maric in the team, Tippet is developing some Ruck skills through this experience, which makes him an even more valuable and versatile player.

I really would like to see Maric come in and be a 10 year ruckman for this club though.
Sometime before Griff falls apart under the constant onslaught of being too light.

C'Mon Maric... show us some form, demand a spot...

Maybe the Club wants Tippett to continue developing his ruck skills until he has reached the 'next level'. It seems he would have the best opportunity to do this while Maric isn't in the side. Once they feel he is capable, maybe then they'll bring Maric in.... Ok, just a theory.

But I would love to see Tippett play as a permanent forward, he presents so well and poses as a danger to any opposition we have played so far, but only while he was up forward. To some degree I agree with Drummond that having him and Griffin in the ruck against Sandilands could fall apart. Maric would certainly give s a more stable ruck line up.

[fightingdreamer88]

all the best jacky!:D

gr8 to see the young man get a chance, we need a permanent small forward and i think jacky fits the bill, probably will take time for him to develop but good to see him getting a shot at the big time!

dont know a whole lot about him but does he have the engine to be involved in our midfield rotations at this stage? or will he more likely be used permanently in the forward lines?

He has played midfield in the junior ranks so he can play the position if need be, but you would think he will be a specialist small forward first and foremost.

[Capitalist]

if Maric is the same as that spineless loser Meesen and leaves because he IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH

then so be it

[IddyBiddy]

Chuffed for Jacky :thumbsu:, I am disappointed there is no Maric, but so be it. I think we should be pleased to see a new face getting a chance, all the best to him. Bring on the Dockers!!

[fightingdreamer88]

Does Maric play for Norwood and Jacky not?? ;)

There MUST be a reason Maric isn't getting a run yet Drummond... something that we don't know about. I was thinking maybe they are saving his body for the second half of the season? Just a thought. Hang in there though, he will get a run.

At the moment we have Tippett, Griffin, Moran and Maric. The oldest of them is 22, they've played less than 50 games of AFL footy between them, and one of them (Moran) is currently injured. It is not unreasonable at all to suggest that we are playing it carefully by not risking too many of them in the side when our stocks are low like this.

[RoosterLad]

Does Maric play for Norwood and Jacky not?? ;)

There MUST be a reason Maric isn't getting a run yet Drummond... something that we don't know about. I was thinking maybe they are saving his body for the second half of the season? Just a thought. Hang in there though, he will get a run.

If they had picked Maric it would have kept Ivan out of the team to face North this week, that would make me even happier.

[starskyCrow87]

We need a permanent full forward! I'm just worried what we are doing to Tippett, let him be at FF.

Maric in for Shirley would of been perfect.

Very happy for Jacky, will be a cult figure, top lad. :thumbsu:

yeah agree with you there, I want Tippett permanently down there too:thumbsu:... looked so dangerous watching him live in the NAB Grand final, im also scared he'll get injuried crashing into those bigger bodies in the ruck! Im sure im not alone here but i would be distraught if the big fella went down injured in a ruck contest... then again, he could injure himself up forward too! ahhh its such a scary thought!:(:o

[Gets!]

Stoked to see Jacky debut. Surely Dangerfield is a bee's willy away!

[TheLeftFist8]

Im pretty ____in angry right now

Maric must have run over Craigs dog or something

I can understand that we want Tippett up front for the majority of the match but i for one agree that with the current personnel Maric should not play.

Particularly, i speak of McGregor. I don't want to malign him unfairly but so much of today's football is set-up from rebound out of defence. heck, we beat Hawthorn in the ruck and clearances and still got thumped because it wasn't clean, constructive ball...unlike their fantastic rebound from defence.

Their rebound was, in part, due to the inability of our forwards to create any real pressure. It has to be said that even if he is trying McGregor simply cannot catch anyone, and they know it!

Tippett and McGregor both as permanent forwards make for a rebounding defenders dream.

We should wait until Gill or Hentschel or Moran are ready, and then re-jig it around.

[Rave Slave]

Jarrhan > Jarman

[Vince Van Mackay]

:rolleyes:
Or maybe, just maybe, Neil isn't the genius many make him out to be. Everyone other than that stubborn man can see clear as day that Tippett should play as a permanent forward

Everyone?

I think you mean, all the arm chair coaches on Big Footy obsessed with Stats think that.

Sure having Tippet up forward for a whole game might be good, but if you look at the games he has played you will note that when up forward he is not in the game that much. He's a young bloke who has played 4 games, he needs experience at AFL level and he will get that experience faster if he is in the play more, around the ball and contesting in ruck contests. You seem to be pinning all your hopes on Tippet which is unfair on the bloke, having played 4 games you can't expect him to fix our attack woes and you can't expect him to play full forward week in week out so early in his career.

Take a bloody breathe and relax, give the bloke and Craigy some time in actually developing the lad, he knows what he is doing unlike you.

:rolleyes:
as we would be better off bringing in Maric to be the back-up ruckman. Sandilands will kill both our our ruckmen, and Tippett will get tired very quickly against the big man.

Sandilands is terrible around the ground, if anything he is the one that will tire, he is no Dean Cox, not even close.


BRING IN MARIC. I'll post this until it eventuates. If not, we'll lose another ruckman and wouldn't that be awesome. :thumbsu:

Well, if he puts in an effort and plays consistency well, he will get in the side, if he does a Meeson "Play bad every week and show no effort or heart" then he can feel free to rack off.



37 hit-outs, 17 possessions, 2 goals isn't good form? What more can he do?

What more can he do?

Be consistent.

One good SANFL game does not make a player, as a KPP player it is more important for him to be consistent and play well than it is for a bit part tagger/defensive midfielder like a Shirely or Campbell to be consistent.

[Gets!]

Jarrhan > Jarman

I didn't think it needed to be said ;)

[Blue Red and Gold]

How long can we continue to carry Shirley?

[Vince Van Mackay]

That said, I wouldn't be too fused if Shirely was dropped for Maric, but I can see what Neil Craig is doing with the selection of Shirely over other players.

[RoosterLad]

Jarrhan > Jarman

I didn't think it needed to be said ;)

Delete Rave Slave & Gets!

[Campbell's Chunky]

yeah agree with you there, I want Tippett permanently down there too:thumbsu:... looked so dangerous watching him live in the NAB Grand final, im also scared he'll get injuried crashing into those bigger bodies in the ruck! Im sure im not alone here but i would be distraught if the big fella went down injured in a ruck contest... then again, he could injure himself up forward too! ahhh its such a scary thought!:(:o
Good idea.

Lets not play him.

[Gets!]

Delete your bum.

[bus24]

Good to see another young fella get a go.

Still, no Maric :(

[macca23]

Good luck to Jacky on being selected. :thumbsu:

It's slightly ahead of his time, but let's hope that he rises to the next level and shuts up the prophets of doom.

Just an interesting one for those that are good at club trivia.

McLeod, Johncock, Jacky and Griffin.

4 aboriginals.

Has any Crow team ever had 4 aboriginals in its selected team??

[macca23]

Good to see another young fella get a go.

Still, no Maric :(

Pretty simple though, bus.

If we had omitted Shirley and included Maric we would have been down 2 mid-fielders, as Campbell being replaced by a set forward already puts us one down.

Sensibly we just couldn't do that.

[Stiffy_18]

How long can we continue to carry Shirley?
Until we get our regular midfielders back!

I think in reality, we have very little choice and while are all excited at the prospects of seeing youngsters debut and get game time, we DO need hard bodies around the contests.

There is no doubt Shirley is struggling at the moment and the only thing keeping him in the side is the lack of genuine options. I would say as soon as Knight and/or Reilly are ready, Shirley will find himself in the SANFL unless he lift his form dramatically.

While we would all love to see Tippett at FF, I think its much better for his long term development to have him play the sort of role he is playing now. Since the introduction of the circle in the center, the injuries sustained in the ruck contests are minimal. If anything, there chances of Tippett getting more serious injury are greater as a key forward especially considering the way he plays the position. It much easier going head to head against one player in a ruck contest than have the pack crash on you everytime you contest a high ball in the forward line. His body is taking far more battering as a KF than in the ruck.

Short term it would be great to have him at FF permanently but in the long run, I think the club is taking the right approach to developing him.

Its great to see Jacky get a crack at it. He will take time but its great to see him get a game and get the taste of it. Hope he plays well :thumbsu:

[Ticktak]

Awesome, can't wait to watch him. Lets hope he sticks it up all those people who think he is too small to be playing AFL at the moment!

[Crowman32]

Cant believe Shirley has been gifted another game -what a joke. He without a doubt is Neil Craigs golden child. What does he exactly do in the team? Hes not a ball getter and hes an ordinary tagger. Got me stuffed as to why we are playing him instead of Dangerfield.

[doppelganger47]

happy for Jarrhan; good luck to him on saturday... :thumbsu:
Otten and Danger as emergencies definitely means they'll be pushing closer for selection some time this year.

[fightingdreamer88]

Just remember everyone, go easy on Jarrhan if he has a quiet one. He is very slight and will take time. Has a truckload of talent and pace to burn though, so great to see his journey start this week. :thumbsu:

[Vic Crow]

Dangerfield named for the Falcons too. I expected him to get named for them (he was last week despite the fact he travelled with the Crows) but just thought I'd post FYI.

[Rave Slave]

Delete Rave Slave & Gets!

Rave Slave > Life

Delete Fremantle

[Rave Slave]

Just remember everyone, go easy in Jarrhan if he has a quiet one. He is very slight and will take time. Has a truckload of talent and pace to burn though, so great to see his journey start this week. :thumbsu:

No. I think it would be much better if we judged him extremely harshly and if he has a poor game we can drop him and file him in the 'not AFL standard' basket.

This is the best way to handle first gamers captain obvious.

[fightingdreamer88]

No. I think it would be much better if we judged him extremely harshly and if he has a poor game we can drop him and file him in the 'not AFL standard' basket.

This is the best way to handle first gamers captain obvious.

Drummond board.

[marvin]

While we would all love to see Tippett at FF, I think its much better for his long term development to have him play the sort of role he is playing now. Since the introduction of the circle in the center, the injuries sustained in the ruck contests are minimal. If anything, there chances of Tippett getting more serious injury are greater as a key forward especially considering the way he plays the position. It much easier going head to head against one player in a ruck contest than have the pack crash on you everytime you contest a high ball in the forward line. His body is taking far more battering as a KF than in the ruck.

Short term it would be great to have him at FF permanently but in the long run, I think the club is taking the right approach to developing him.

Spot on.

The club (and us supporters) need to look at this in the longer term. Although Sellar has taken the more traditional slow build up that most big men do, does anyone here doubt that (injury permitting), he won't be a permanent fixture in our forward line in 3 years time? And that Hentschel, should he come somewhere close to his pre-injury potential, will be somewhere there too?

In 3 years, you can project Tippett as being either a Clark Keating / Spider Everitt / Brad Ottens type (a good ruckman who can hurt up forward) or a Drew Petrie / Koschitzke / late career Luke Darcy type (a good forward who can help in the ruck). I'm not saying he'll get to the heights some of those boys have reached - he's only played 4 games - but I've said before, and I'll say it again, I'd hate to see him anchored to the forward line when I think he's got plenty to offer on ball.

Its great to see Jacky get a crack at it. He will take time but its great to see him get a game and get the taste of it. Hope he plays well :thumbsu:

Seconded.

[bickley26]

Great move to start Jacky against a Western Australian team he should be pumped.
I haven't seen anything of him so I am really keen to see how he goes.

Has he been playing SANFL.

[Blue Red and Gold]

Until we get our regular midfielders back!

I think in reality, we have very little choice and while are all excited at the prospects of seeing youngsters debut and get game time, we DO need hard bodies around the contests.

There is no doubt Shirley is struggling at the moment and the only thing keeping him in the side is the lack of genuine options. I would say as soon as Knight and/or Reilly are ready, Shirley will find himself in the SANFL unless he lift his form dramatically.

While we would all love to see Tippett at FF, I think its much better for his long term development to have him play the sort of role he is playing now. Since the introduction of the circle in the center, the injuries sustained in the ruck contests are minimal. If anything, there chances of Tippett getting more serious injury are greater as a key forward especially considering the way he plays the position. It much easier going head to head against one player in a ruck contest than have the pack crash on you everytime you contest a high ball in the forward line. His body is taking far more battering as a KF than in the ruck.

Short term it would be great to have him at FF permanently but in the long run, I think the club is taking the right approach to developing him.

Its great to see Jacky get a crack at it. He will take time but its great to see him get a game and get the taste of it. Hope he plays well :thumbsu:
In theory I agree with you, but what is Shirley actually contributing on the field? He may have an AFL hardened body but he isnt doing anything with it at the present time.

I just see more of an upside using Dangerfield in small bursts off the bench.

[wattsyman]

That said, I wouldn't be too fused if Shirely was dropped for Maric, but I can see what Neil Craig is doing with the selection of Shirely over other players.


Please tell us

[Crows88]

Dangerfield named for the Falcons too. I expected him to get named for them (he was last week despite the fact he travelled with the Crows) but just thought I'd post FYI.

What position was he named in VC?

[Vader]

Is this the first time Otten has been near the squad?
Has he been named as an emergency before?

Was named in the squads for the first two MMC games, but this is the first time he's been named as an emergency for a H&A match.

[Vic Crow]

What position was he named in VC?
The guts.

[Pride of SA]

Very disappointed.

Great work Neil Craig, still refusing to play Maric. Good luck in Melbourne next year Ivan.

Jacky? Hardly showed anything to suggest he's AFL ready.

Shirley? Just got to laugh I guess. Being named kind of goes against the rebuilding thoughts.

well this IS a surprise :rolleyes:

[Eastern Crow]

I am very happy with the Jacky selection, a crumbing forward is exactly what we need :thumbsu:

I thought this was the ideal game to deop Shirley, bring in Maric and allow Tippett to play as a Key Forward, the reason I say this, I would be happy for our midfield to go head to head with Freo's midfield

[Eastern Crow]

Very disappointed.

Great work Neil Craig, still refusing to play Maric. Good luck in Melbourne next year Ivan.

Jacky? Hardly showed anything to suggest he's AFL ready.

Shirley? Just got to laugh I guess. Being named kind of goes against the rebuilding thoughts.

Campbell has not shown much and you did not whinge about that selection :eek:

[Big future]

While I was hopeful Dangerfield would play, I am not unhappy, upon reflection, with Jacky's selection. I wanted to see more pace, and from all reports he has that. Also it was the Hawk's rebound through the likes of Guerra that really killed us last week. If nothing else, Jacky should help out big time in that area. His forward line pressure and tackling, I believe, are first class. I certainly do think our coaches know what they are doing!

[jenny61_99]

Just on the Maric thing..... didn't Craig do the same last year with Griff and Maric.... played Griffin for the first half of the season with Huddo, and Maric for the second? Only this time, Griff is taking on the #1 ruck role (and I assume Maric will do the same when it's his turn).

[dchawk]

Just an interesting one for those that are good at club trivia.

McLeod, Johncock, Jacky and Griffin.

4 aboriginals.

Has any Crow team ever had 4 aboriginals in its selected team??

Point of this is? Big deal? No!
They are all footy players and who cares what race/nationality they are.
How many times have adelaide fielded a team with no aboriginals? Who cares! They pick the best team and best players available - race has nothing to do with footy!

[BunjiMac]

I agree it doesn't matter what race a person is, the best team should be picked regardless.

Having said that, I don't think Macca23 meant this as any more than light trivia as indicated in the post and i did find that interesting. Just like if he had said there are 4 italians in the team... just light interesting trivia :)

[crow07]

All the best to Jacky, can't wait to see the guy have a crack at the real stuff.

Campbell has not shown much and you did not whinge about that selection :eek:

He got his spot in the side because of injuries to other midfielders... Just like Shirley.

It annoys me how everyone wants to get rid of Shirley. He hasn't had the best start to the year but he is a bigger experienced body that will do us more good then bad i think. Common sense and team balance says he stays.

With all the injuries atm the club does not have a great deal of flexibility. I have no problem with him being dropped once we get Knights and Reilly back.

I think it is good that Maric wasn't given a spot at the start of the season just because he's Maric and everyone assumed he would. I would like to see him dominate at sanfl level and I don't think he has done that yet.. Maric played 1 good mmc game againts collingwood IMO and I don't think he was very good in the remaining 3 mmc games. When you consider how little influence Griffen is having on games around the ground atm (I know he is getting better each week) I can't see why we would want to have another player like that in the team..

Griffen is a far better ruckman then maric.

[Dandy_GO]

Campbell has not shown much and you did not whinge about that selection :eek:

Campbell is regularly best on ground in the SANFL, and, as a mature age recruit, has an AFL ready body.
Jacky, despite doing a couple of nice things, looked lost in the NAB cup, and has yet to really make his mark at SANFL level. Whilst we're all really looking forward to having a quick crumbing goalscorer in the coming years, Jacky certainly can't be expected to have much of an impact this week, and is getting a game more so because of the position he plays (and strong performances on the training track), than SANFL form.

[James_37]

Just on the Maric thing..... didn't Craig do the same last year with Griff and Maric.... played Griffin for the first half of the season with Huddo, and Maric for the second? Only this time, Griff is taking on the #1 ruck role (and I assume Maric will do the same when it's his turn).

Maric was injured in the first half of last season and hence didn't play, it was injuries to both Maric and Meesen that pretty much allowed Griffin to debut. Towards mid season Griffin did seem to run out of puff and started to struggle with the bigger bodies.

As for selection, whilst I'm not suprised to see him still in the side, as much as I may have liked to see him dropped, just didn't see it happening. Really though, if he doesn't produce again this weekend, would it matter if we brought in Maric for him, we wouldn't be losing too much in midfield power, because really, he hasn't been giving us anything. But, hey I'm not the coach, so I will bow to NC's and JR's infinite wisdom on this.

Congrats to young Jacky, great to see another youngster debut, I'm still a little worried that he may not be ready, because he certainly seemed to struggle with the pace of the game and size of the bodies in the NAB cup. However, he's been showing a bit up forward for WWT, so I'll assume he's adjusted well, just required a few more matches. Regarding Dangerfield, he probably shouldn't play, just for the simple fact that he isn't training regularly with the boys and even if he did show a bit, probably won't be available later on in the year when these other guys will be, if form warrants it.

Should be a good match, I'm annoyed that I won't be able to watch the match, due to the simple fact that I'm playing myself (was kinda hoping I'd be dropped to the magoos, so I could then p*** off and watch the Crows:D), but its not to be so I'll get my folks to tape it, if they can work out how to use the machine.

Am happy that Tarrant isn't playing, have no worries about Pavlich, I have full confidence that Rutten can pants him again, but without Massie and Basset in questionable form/fitness, we might have struggled against Tarrant. But then, the Crows have a knack of losing games against teams who have one or 2 major outs, eg with Mitchell last week or WC last year without Judd and Cousins. But then you have to question the ability of a team to perform when they have 5 changes.

[PCORF]

[quote=Drummond;10703584]Very disappointed.[quote]

I think you'll will be after the game as well. Hope I'm wrong. Hopefully someone pulls out and Maric is a late inclusion.

[PCORF]

I am very happy with the Jacky selection, a crumbing forward is exactly what we need :thumbsu:

I thought this was the ideal game to deop Shirley, bring in Maric and allow Tippett to play as a Key Forward, the reason I say this, I would be happy for our midfield to go head to head with Freo's midfield

Surely one Jacky will K.O 18x Adam Salibas :D

[Dandy_GO]

Nice extended profile on the footy show for the young man.

[Drummond]

Campbell has not shown much and you did not whinge about that selection :eek:
Well done, you've just lowered your already extremely low posting standards. Campbell is in the best players virtually every game he plays in the SANFL, he was best afield by all judges the very week before the Hawthorn game. But if you want to further damage your credibility, by all means go ahead champ.

Just on the Maric thing..... didn't Craig do the same last year with Griff and Maric.... played Griffin for the first half of the season with Huddo, and Maric for the second? Only this time, Griff is taking on the #1 ruck role (and I assume Maric will do the same when it's his turn).
Showing your true colours here again jennster. Maric injured his hip during last years pre-season and came back in about Round 3. Started off in the reserves, and played about 3 horrible SANFL league games before finally showing some of the form we knew he was capable of. So it took him about 8 weeks before he was finally able to compete at the top level and when he was we brought him in. So your theory is way off the mark, not unlike most of your other theories. :)

It annoys me how everyone wants to get rid of Shirley.
Having the benefit of sight will do that. :thumbsu:

He hasn't had the best start to the year but he is a bigger experienced body that will do us more good then bad i think. Common sense and team balance says he stays.
Common sense? Team balance? Shirley?

[fightingdreamer88]

The thing that bothers me about Campbell is his tendancy to employ the sideways hanballs and chip kicks. We're not seeing any playmaking but that's not to say he can't do it, just that to this point we aren't seeing it at AFL level. He certainly hasn't had the time on field for us to see where he is truly headed but when you factor in his age and the fact that we have some much younger very promising prospects who will be knocking on the door more and more, I wonder if he will be retained; I for one hope he is, because I am still of the belief he has the potential to be a better player than current depth players like Shirley and Doughty, AND he is certainly a better option than Jericho.

[Baron Winds]

Quality post there Dummond.. With your supreme bias, endless knowledge and uncanny ability to type condescendingly you should be coaching the crows :thumbsu:

In all seriousness though, I'm not as excited about Jacky from what i saw of him during the NAB cup.. His tackling was pretty much non existant from what i can recall.. He either fell in their back or they brushed him off with ease.. But then Douglas was the same during the NAB cup and he worked on it and now his tackles stick a hell of a lot more..

Fingers crossed Jacky has a rip-snorter of a game though. I've no doubt he has the talent, its just his slight build that worries me.

[fightingdreamer88]

He was overexcited in the NAB Cup games, that was clear right from the get-go. Notice the way he just jumped around like a jackrabbit all through those matches? Don't confuse that with being "out of his depth". Trust me, while he may take a little time to truly settle at this level he has all sorts of talent...actually reminds me a lot of Vardy with his ability to produce some freakish pieces of play.

[Campbell's Chunky]

He was overexcited in the NAB Cup games, that was clear right from the get-go. Notice the way he just jumped around like a jackrabbit all through those matches? Don't confuse that with being "out of his depth". Trust me, while he may take a little time to truly settle at this level he has all sorts of talent...actually reminds me a lot of Vardy with his ability to produce some freakish pieces of play.When you aren't posting on BigFooty, do you power one of these?

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[fightingdreamer88]

When you aren't posting on BigFooty, do you power one of these?

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/1312/lta2d4a1336ar2.jpg

I power the world's major cities, I'm that electrifying. Additionally, like what is producing the hot air for that balloon, I'm ON FIRE!!!

[PrideOf]

Has any Crow team ever had 4 aboriginals in its selected team??

I doubt it. Our Aboriginal players have been:
Hocking in 91-92
Tongerie 94
Bond 96-99
McLeod 95-now
Johncock 02-now
Burns 03-04
Griffin 06-now
Jacky 08-now
(plus Armstrong, who hasn't played yet)

Up until now, we've barely had 4 Aboriginal footballers on our list at the same time, let alone named on the park for the same game.

[crow07]

Having the benefit of sight will do that. :thumbsu:

Common sense? Team balance? Shirley?[/quote]

I made the comment that he looked slow during the pre season and I agree he has not got a spot in our best 22 antmore, but atm he has a spot in out side. I think that there is only room for one of Shorley/Doughty and Doughty's current form means he gets the nod.

You can't play Maric, Tippett and Griffen in the same side atm because they are not good enough to all influence the game like say a King, Blake and Kosi are.

[Brenton Davy]

:rolleyes:

Or maybe, just maybe, Neil isn't the genius many make him out to be. Everyone other than that stubborn man can see clear as day that Tippett should play as a permanent forward as we would be better off bringing in Maric to be the back-up ruckman. Sandilands will kill both our our ruckmen, and Tippett will get tired very quickly against the big man.

BRING IN MARIC. I'll post this until it eventuates. If not, we'll lose another ruckman and wouldn't that be awesome. :thumbsu:


37 hit-outs, 17 possessions, 2 goals isn't good form? What more can he do?


Oh look, it's Craigy's favourite word!!!

That will hurry up the process NOT!

What next, one of Rucci's counters?

I too would prefer to see Tippet permanently forward, however, IMHO I don't see a lot wrong in him learning the trade in the way he is, as long as it is managed properly. You obviously have a different opinion, to which you are entitled, just please stop being so whiny about it.

[Dandy_GO]

He was overexcited in the NAB Cup games, that was clear right from the get-go. Notice the way he just jumped around like a jackrabbit all through those matches? Don't confuse that with being "out of his depth". Trust me, while he may take a little time to truly settle at this level he has all sorts of talent...actually reminds me a lot of Vardy with his ability to produce some freakish pieces of play.

Jesus christ...
Where to start?

[rooboy]

Cant believe Shirley has been gifted another game -what a joke. He without a doubt is Neil Craigs golden child. What does he exactly do in the team? Hes not a ball getter and hes an ordinary tagger. Got me stuffed as to why we are playing him instead of Dangerfield.

I'm going to get hit by lightning..but...you have described Van Berlo as well.

Difference is that I think Van Berlo will become a far better player over time.

[marvin]

BRING IN MARIC. I'll post this until it eventuates. If not, we'll lose another ruckman and wouldn't that be awesome. :thumbsu:

The last ruckman you touted so highly, who walked, is this week named on an extended bench in the VFL affiliate of the worst side in the AFL. Not a great precedent.

[johnnypanther]

I doubt it. Our Aboriginal players have been:
Hocking in 91-92
Tongerie 94
Bond 96-99
McLeod 95-now
Johncock 02-now
Burns 03-04
Griffin 06-now
Jacky 08-now
(plus Armstrong, who hasn't played yet)

Up until now, we've barely had 4 Aboriginal footballers on our list at the same time, let alone named on the park for the same game.

i may be mistaken but i think that you can add Curnow & Petrenko to that list

[jo172]

i may be mistaken but i think that you can add Curnow & Petrenko to that list

And what does Ricky O'Loughlin have to do to get a mention:mad:

:p

[Vic Crow]

i may be mistaken but i think that you can add Curnow & Petrenko to that list
Correct. We currently have seven indigenous players on our list (five main and two rookie).

I'm going to get hit by lightning..but...you have described Van Berlo as well.

Difference is that I think Van Berlo will become a far better player over time.
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[Wayne's-World]

Great to see Jacky playing .......IMO I doubt the output would be much different if we had of picked either of Dangerfield, Otten, or Jacky.

Is the fast tracking of Jacky have anything to do with having a taller forwrd line in THIS YEAR with Tippett and NEEDING a small forwrd who can also play in the Bode mould to help prevent teams running off ?

Given our reluctance to play Tippett, Maric, and Griffin together .......how does that go for introducing Sellar and Moran? .......and then of course adding Hentschell.

I can see Sellar replacing MacGregor possibly next season ......but if the Crows are to play a taller structure they have to have quick ground level players .......hence Iam glad we are not going slow on Jacky's development.

[Southerntakeover]

I'm going to get hit by lightning..but...you have described Van Berlo as well.

Difference is that I think Van Berlo will become a far better player over time.

Yup, van Berlo brings nothing of value.

Thats why at age 21 the players voted him into the leadership group.

[Vic Crow]

Great to see Jacky playing .......IMO I doubt the output would be much different if we had of picked either of Dangerfield, Otten, or Jacky.

Is the fast tracking of Jacky have anything to do with having a taller forwrd line in THIS YEAR with Tippett and NEEDING a small forwrd who can also play in the Bode mould to help prevent teams running off ?

Given our reluctance to play Tippett, Maric, and Griffin together .......how does that go for introducing Sellar and Moran? .......and then of course adding Hentschell.

I can see Sellar replacing MacGregor possibly next season ......but if the Crows are to play a taller structure they have to have quick ground level players .......hence Iam glad we are not going slow on Jacky's development.
Completely agree with this. So far we've gone with a tall-mid (I mean mid sized, not midfielder) structure so when the ball hits the deck we're looking at guys like Goodwin and Burton to pick up the crumbs and that's not their natural game. Of course there's the midfielders like Douglas and Vince coming down and helping out, but we have lacked that genuine small crumbing forward.

I'm pretty happy to see Jacky get a run because this is more of a throw them to the wolves approach that I have wanted to see a bit more of in the last few years. Apparently he's been great on the track, but hasn't gone a great deal on the park so far. I guess it shows how much the coaching staff rate him. Hopefully this approach is backed up on match day and he gets 70% game time or there abouts.

As for the whole Moran-Maric-Hentschel thing, it is an interesting one. We do have a pretty tall side. Stevens has been our general dogs body this year playing at both ends. I'm not adverse to bringing Maric in for a small and would've liked to have seen that this week because I think it's an experiment we should at least give a shot.

It leaves me wondering about Moran and Hentschel though. Hentschel for McGregor if form dictates but there's no need to rush something like that. It really leaves me at a loss as to how we fit Moran in. His best use will be on resting ruckmen, considering Rutten and Bock should be able to handle most other talls with east. Maybe Moran is a match-up only player ie. bring him in for sides like Saints, Pies, Lions who have the cattle to stretch for height.

[Vince Van Mackay]

I think one thing Moran definitely has going for him is his speed, he is faster than alot of shorter players.

[RoosterLad]

Jesus christ...
Where to start?

Don't even waste your time starting.

[Vic Crow]

I think one thing Moran definitely has going for him is his speed, he is faster than alot of shorter players.
For sure. But who do you see him pushing out of a KP spot? I'd love to see Moran playing for us at some stage, but at this stage I only see him coming in against supremely tall sides. When fit it's probably just a case of Griff, Maric, Tippett and Moran battling for two spots (maybe three).

[macca23]

I doubt it. Our Aboriginal players have been:
Hocking in 91-92
Tongerie 94
Bond 96-99
McLeod 95-now
Johncock 02-now
Burns 03-04
Griffin 06-now
Jacky 08-now
(plus Armstrong, who hasn't played yet)

Up until now, we've barely had 4 Aboriginal footballers on our list at the same time, let alone named on the park for the same game.

Plus Ricky O'Loughlin 2000 and 2001.

It definitely looks like this is a first for the Adelaide Footy Club.

4 Aboriginal players playing in the same team.

So in a way Jacky has already contributed to a record for our club.

All the best for tomorrow, young fella. :thumbsu:

[fightingdreamer88]

Don't even waste your time starting.

Indeed, flawless logix for the win, it cannot be questioned.

The fans around the traps are calling him "little Jarrhan" btw...could be the start of a cult following.

[fightingdreamer88]

I think one thing Moran definitely has going for him is his speed, he is faster than alot of shorter players.

Well yeah if you want to look at it from a benchmarking POV, he is supposedly the fastest over 20m in the league. He is definitely one of those players though who isn't screaming out to fill a certain position; there are a number of options...for once I agree with McDermott in that Moran has a place in the side somewhere, just not sure where.

[betterthanu]

Well yeah if you want to look at it from a benchmarking POV, he is supposedly the fastest over 20m in the league. He is definitely one of those players though who isn't screaming out to fill a certain position; there are a number of options...for once I agree with McDermott in that Moran has a place in the side somewhere, just not sure where.

:confused::confused: Source?? I think you just made that up

[Vince Van Mackay]

For sure. But who do you see him pushing out of a KP spot? I'd love to see Moran playing for us at some stage, but at this stage I only see him coming in against supremely tall sides. When fit it's probably just a case of Griff, Maric, Tippett and Moran battling for two spots (maybe three).

I'm not sure who he'd push out at this stage, if there were injuries to some of our KP stocks then it would be alot easier. I don't know.

Comedy option, play him as a midfielder.

[fightingdreamer88]

:confused::confused: Source?? I think you just made that up

I don't make things up, you should know that by now.

http://www.worldfootynews.com/article.php?story=20041009072540695