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Brighton_Diggins
18 Apr 2008, 17:12
Just listening to Luke Darcy on SEN suggesting that
the Blues should trade Fev at the end of this year.
Said Fev will never play in GF for the blues and we should
get rid of him while his hot and worth something.
Interesting.
Fev is one of the guys who wins you finals.
Brighton_Diggins
18 Apr 2008, 17:16
Fev is one of the guys who wins you finals.
agree.
thylacine60
18 Apr 2008, 17:19
Problem with newish ex-player commentators is they forever feel the need to say something bordering on controversial as a way of justifying their role.
The Ox is another one who flaps before thinking. Mind you if Fev throws a paddy this weekend, I completely agree with Darcy. :D
Gilly1972
18 Apr 2008, 17:19
It would certainly be the draft to get a couple of extra picks in the top 20.
It would certainly be the draft to get a couple of extra picks in the top 20.
We might be able to pick up a forward who can kick 80+ goals?
;)
Brighton_Diggins
18 Apr 2008, 17:22
Problem with newish ex-player commentators is they forever feel the need to say something bordering on controversial as a way of justifying their role.
The Ox is another one who flaps before thinking. Mind you if Fev throws a paddy this weekend, I completely agree with Darcy. :D
They tend to 'over spin' it at times.
Hopefully no tantrums from Fev this week.
kick another bag.
I wouldn't rule it out. Lets just see whats on offer at the end of the year.
As Gilly has stated it's going to be a strong draft but theres also some speculation about some gun players who could be on the move also. Ofcoarse you don't let Coleman medalists go for peanuts, but he's stuffed up enough times for us to definately see whats out there.
darcy was never good enough to play in a grand final himself so basically he has no credibilty at all.
darcy = worst special comments in the league :thumbsd:
Fev is one of the guys who wins you finals.
Spot on.
Loves the big stage, and performs. Enough said.
It would certainly be the draft to get a couple of extra picks in the top 20.
More kids Gilly. :p
Geez, Murphy is getting on now. Maybe we should trade him for some kids. :rolleyes: ;)
A Bulldogs player giving us advice on what it takes to make and win GF's is absolutely hilarious. :)
A Bulldogs player giving us advice on what it takes to make and win GF's is absolutely hilarious. :)exactly. bulldog's have always been and will always be the perrenial under achievers.
thylacine60
18 Apr 2008, 17:35
exactly. bulldog's have always been and will always be the perrenial under achievers.
But only the Pies have made it their mission statement.
blues2010
18 Apr 2008, 17:36
Just listening to Luke Darcy on SEN suggesting that
the Blues should trade Fev at the end of this year.
Said Fev will never play in GF for the blues and we should
get rid of him while his hot and worth something.
Interesting.
To me it is not saying that Fev is gone, more that for his own sake should leave to play in GF.
Agree he is a goose though, we have been down for so long and rebuilt. We will be back very soon and watch out all the teams kicking us whilst we were down, especially Bulldogs, Collingwood and Richmond who have never done anything anyway
But only the Pies have made it their mission statement.at least they have givin their members some joy.
Blue Dawn
18 Apr 2008, 17:46
darcy was never good enough to play in a grand final himself so basically he has no credibilty at all.
darcy = worst special comments in the league :thumbsd:
Think you're being a bit unfair to Schwarta! :rolleyes:
at least they have givin their members some joy.
The Pies mission statement is and always has been "near enough is good enough" i.e. within excuse reach of success, hence the familiar end of season bleatings from Pies supporters that we all enjoy so much e.g.
"...we were within one kick of....",
"...if only player x and y weren't injured we could have made the GF....",
"...that umpiring decision cost us....",
"...that tribunal decision cost us...",
"...our pre-season was too long..."
"...our pre-season was too short.."
"... the draw was against us...."
.. etc etc.
The Pies supporters use their imagination, aided by some HUN-Collingwood overhype, to fill in the gap between their failure-reality and success-fantasy. :)
BlueYoss
18 Apr 2008, 17:49
I wouldn't rule it out. Lets just see whats on offer at the end of the year.
Would anyone entertain the idea of a trade for Nathan Brown of the Magpie variety?
He's the sort of player we could build our defence around enabling us to move Waite back to the forward line to build our attack around...
Juddernaut08
18 Apr 2008, 17:53
Fev is 27.
Forwards can play well up to 32, and 33-35 can squeeze a couple of years ala alistair lynch.
Suits fev well since he is predominantly a leading forward; as opposed to jono brown who prob can't do shit when he's over 31.
So we have another 5 good years, and another 2-3 after that from Fev.
At our rate finals next year looks probable; and next year top 4 contenders. All depends on how our backline develops; and how nuts murph and gibbs become.
Imagine: Judd, Murphy, Gibbs all in their prime; with N.Stevens playing a S.West type role.
Fev will be needed in that time...please shutup darcy. i liked u as a player; but you're a noob commentator still.
bluesforever
18 Apr 2008, 17:56
Just like the Doggies won one with Darcy :rolleyes: What a tool, if Carlton can reach the finals he is one player we can bet that would turn a game for us.
BLue_Bloys
18 Apr 2008, 17:58
I would hope Fev remain a 1 club player.
Charbzilla
18 Apr 2008, 18:05
There is no way Fev is going to sign a contract with another club and leave his clubmates and Judd.
In theory, its a good option to get more young talent by offloading Fev, so when the likes of Gibbs is captain, we'll have that many gun players (ala Geelong).
But the thought of it makes me sick to my stomach to hear that fellow loyal supporters are suggesting (and agreeing with Darcy) that an outstanding goal kicker inthe entire history of the club be traded off at the end of the year
Blueboys7
18 Apr 2008, 18:05
Fev is 27.
Forwards can play well up to 32, and 33-35 can squeeze a couple of years ala alistair lynch.
Suits fev well since he is predominantly a leading forward; as opposed to jono brown who prob can't do shit when he's over 31.
So we have another 5 good years, and another 2-3 after that from Fev.
At our rate finals next year looks probable; and next year top 4 contenders. All depends on how our backline develops; and how nuts murph and gibbs become.
Imagine: Judd, Murphy, Gibbs all in their prime; with N.Stevens playing a S.West type role.
Fev will be needed in that time...please shutup darcy. i liked u as a player; but you're a noob commentator still.
Scott west gets in and under and gets the hard ball. Stevens wont do that for us.
Marc Shmurf 3
18 Apr 2008, 18:15
Fev loves the MCG and Carlton. enough said ;)
RangaInTeal
18 Apr 2008, 18:19
A team comes to you say Fremantle and offer you pick 7 pick 38 and Luke McFarline for Fev, would you take it?
You get a mature Backman, an early pick and a midle range pick to pick up a bigger bodied bloke! I think Carlton have the Forward line depth to counter loosing FEV, not compleetly cover the loss as it would be MASSIVE but you have probably 3 blokes capable of kicking +40 goals a year! Hartlet, Fisher, Betts, Waite could be thrown forward again Murphy/Stevens/Judd to kick more, it could be done!
Marc Shmurf 3
18 Apr 2008, 18:23
A team comes to you say Fremantle and offer you pick 7 pick 38 and Luke McFarline for Fev, would you take it?
You get a mature Backman, an early pick and a midle range pick to pick up a bigger bodied bloke! I think Carlton have the Forward line depth to counter loosing FEV, not compleetly cover the loss as it would be MASSIVE but you have probably 3 blokes capable of kicking +40 goals a year! Hartlet, Fisher, Betts, Waite could be thrown forward again Murphy/Stevens/Judd to kick more, it could be done!
Fev is worth more than 80 goals a year for us. His is an enigma for the side. When he is up and firing our team lifts an extra 10% and you can see it. Other than 2 first round picks and perhaps another player would i entertain trading for Fev.
Fev will be the reason we get into the Grand Final FWIW
thylacine60
18 Apr 2008, 18:25
A team comes to you say Fremantle and offer you pick 7 pick 38 and Luke McFarline for Fev, would you take it?
You get a mature Backman, an early pick and a midle range pick to pick up a bigger bodied bloke! I think Carlton have the Forward line depth to counter loosing FEV, not compleetly cover the loss as it would be MASSIVE but you have probably 3 blokes capable of kicking +40 goals a year! Hartlet, Fisher, Betts, Waite could be thrown forward again Murphy/Stevens/Judd to kick more, it could be done!
I think both Harts and Jake would have to perform above and beyond expectations for your suggestion to become reality.
strategy
18 Apr 2008, 18:32
Is Johnson retiring and he wants Fev to take his spot ?
BlueYoss
18 Apr 2008, 18:33
I think both Harts and Jake would have to perform above and beyond expectations for your suggestion to become reality.
And Waite would be worth a lot more than 40 goals a year as a permanent forward -last year played the vast majority of game time in defence and still kicked 28 goals from brief stints forward...
Dippers_Mullet
18 Apr 2008, 18:37
Fev is one of the guys who wins you finals.
Even I agree with that. Fev will win your lot finals/cruch games.
Provided he stays off the booze for good, and your backline gets sorted. Also might help if someone (aside from Fisher) could help carry the goal scoring load. A genuine CHF would be perfect.
But the thought of it makes me sick to my stomach to hear that fellow loyal supporters are suggesting (and agreeing with Darcy) that an outstanding goal kicker inthe entire history of the club be traded off at the end of the year
Maybe some of us loyal supporters don't believe that leopards change their spots and have been disapointed in the way he has let teamates and the club down time and time again.
As I said earlier it would have to be a deal that would be in our favour by some margin, but I'd look at it.
Jezza U Beauty
18 Apr 2008, 18:37
And Waite would be worth a lot more than 40 goals a year as a permanent forward -last year played the vast majority of game time in defence and still kicked 28 goals from brief stints forward...
Couldn't disagree more. Waitey has proven over and over again that he will be much better in the back half than the front half.
There is no way we should trade the Fev. How many genuine matchwinning, sorry matchdominating, forwards are there in the league. Fev's the sort of bloke who can win you a flag.
thylacine60
18 Apr 2008, 18:48
Couldn't disagree more. Waitey has proven over and over again that he will be much better in the back half than the front half.
There is no way we should trade the Fev. How many genuine matchwinning, sorry matchdominating, forwards are there in the league. Fev's the sort of bloke who can win you a flag.
Sorry, can't cop this.
Charbzilla
18 Apr 2008, 18:55
someone correct me if im wrong but didnt Waitey give away the most free kicks 2007 in the squad?
DaveyBlues
18 Apr 2008, 19:00
I wish Swan didn't say if he screws up again he's sacked. Couldn't he have said "to be traded at the end of season"? I by no means want to loose Fev, but like with Ben Cousins, its a huge loss with no positives to sack stars.
Jezza U Beauty
18 Apr 2008, 19:01
Sorry, can't cop this.
Wow we're just not getting along today Thy :rolleyes:
Aside from a Hawks game a few years back when he kicked 5 and pretty much won us the game he's looked like an inconsistent player who was unlikely to ever live up to "his potential". Has often failed to kick the goals from set shots that a genuine forward nonchalantly slots through.
At CHB he looks like AA material, putting Riewoldt on the verge of crying his eyes out and making Rocca look plain pathetic. His contribution against the Pies was arguably as important as Fev's.
Wow we're just not getting along today Thy :rolleyes:
Aside from a Hawks game a few years back when he kicked 5 and pretty much won us the game he's looked like an inconsistent player who was unlikely to ever live up to "his potential". Has often failed to kick the goals from set shots that a genuine forward nonchalantly slots through.
At CHB he looks like AA material, putting Riewoldt on the verge of crying his eyes out and making Rocca look plain pathetic. His contribution against the Pies was arguably as important as Fev's.
I agree in that he has been fantastic at CHB, however when has he been given the forward 50 to make his own ? I think he could be equally good if given that opportunity. As you said he kicked 5 in that Hawks game and pretty much won us that game. One of the few times he was given the main role I might add also.;)
magpies10
18 Apr 2008, 20:26
Fev is one of the guys who wins you finals.
Because he has proven this!
linchpin
18 Apr 2008, 20:39
As much as I think Fev is a dill, he wears his heart on his sleeve. A GUN forward, a mercurial talent, there is none currently better.
Hopefully, he has turned the corner off the field. Even still he has 'wanted' to play for the club.
He was and has been offered great money to go else where. But his heart is here. He has just turned 27 years old. He has plenty in the tank. This club is maturing. Let him lead the way. When things have gone against us on the field, such as the Pies/Didak game, he was the man who stood up. He took on many. He drew the line in the sand.
Give the bloke the credit he deserves.......
Pred_ator
18 Apr 2008, 21:08
The only good thing about Darcy being in the media is that I get to spend quality time with his wife while he is busy with his media commitments.:)
The_Groscz
18 Apr 2008, 21:13
Mind you if Fev throws a paddy this weekend, I completely agree with Darcy. :D
Good point :thumbsu:
Barry Zuckercorn QC
18 Apr 2008, 21:44
I really feel that Darcy should stick to making chicken parmas at the Anglers...
BlueMania
18 Apr 2008, 21:47
I would hope Fev remain a 1 club player.
I think that would be the most popular view .
There is no way Fev is going to sign a contract with another club and leave his clubmates and Judd.
In theory, its a good option to get more young talent by offloading Fev, so when the likes of Gibbs is captain, we'll have that many gun players (ala Geelong).
But the thought of it makes me sick to my stomach to hear that fellow loyal supporters are suggesting (and agreeing with Darcy) that an outstanding goal kicker inthe entire history of the club be traded off at the end of the yearIt's a fair point thats been raised . I don't agree but people are entitled to their opinions . Darcy is a tool !
A team comes to you say Fremantle and offer you pick 7 pick 38 and Luke McFarline for Fev, would you take it?
You get a mature Backman, an early pick and a midle range pick to pick up a bigger bodied bloke! I think Carlton have the Forward line depth to counter loosing FEV, not compleetly cover the loss as it would be MASSIVE but you have probably 3 blokes capable of kicking +40 goals a year! Hartlet, Fisher, Betts, Waite could be thrown forward again Murphy/Stevens/Judd to kick more, it could be done!No .
Is Johnson retiring and he wants Fev to take his spot ?Good point , never thought of that . Sly dog !
I wish Swan didn't say if he screws up again he's sacked. Couldn't he have said "to be traded at the end of season"? I by no means want to loose Fev, but like with Ben Cousins, its a huge loss with no positives to sack stars.
Spot on DB . Lets just hope Fev keeps his shit together .
Because he has proven this!
Over here at Carlton, we've seen a few grand finals wins in our time. we have an informed opinion about what type of player is required to get the job done.
A team comes to you say Fremantle and offer you pick 7 pick 38 and Luke McFarline for Fev, would you take it?
You get a mature Backman, an early pick and a midle range pick to pick up a bigger bodied bloke! I think Carlton have the Forward line depth to counter loosing FEV, not compleetly cover the loss as it would be MASSIVE but you have probably 3 blokes capable of kicking +40 goals a year! Hartlet, Fisher, Betts, Waite could be thrown forward again Murphy/Stevens/Judd to kick more, it could be done!
Carlton's focus should be how we can get the best out of Fevola, he is rare talent and unless you were getting a top four draft pick which is highly unlikely you would not consider it, if he puts his mind in the right place he can kick 70+ goals over the next three years, l would like to see how good how forward line would be without him, Hartlett, Edwards etc are not going anything brilliant in fact we actually need another quality tall forward let alone considering trading Fevola.
blue_chick
19 Apr 2008, 01:02
There is no way Fev is going to sign a contract with another club and leave his clubmates and Judd.
In theory, its a good option to get more young talent by offloading Fev, so when the likes of Gibbs is captain, we'll have that many gun players (ala Geelong).
But the thought of it makes me sick to my stomach to hear that fellow loyal supporters are suggesting (and agreeing with Darcy) that an outstanding goal kicker inthe entire history of the club be traded off at the end of the year
I fully agree with you, and they call themselves Carlton supporters.
Fev is a blue thru and thru.
I hope Fev aint reading this, or he might just want to pack his bags and leave. Then lets wait for another 5 years before the next lot of young kids we get for him develope. I really wonder about some of the things I read on here. Like the people that bag bannister. I hated pagan for never seeing the potential he had, at least Rats can. Just like he can see Carlton need Fev, straight from the horses mouth. So lets just let Rats do the coaching and us supporting our players we for a change.
blue_chick
19 Apr 2008, 01:04
A team comes to you say Fremantle and offer you pick 7 pick 38 and Luke McFarline for Fev, would you take it?
You get a mature Backman, an early pick and a midle range pick to pick up a bigger bodied bloke! I think Carlton have the Forward line depth to counter loosing FEV, not compleetly cover the loss as it would be MASSIVE but you have probably 3 blokes capable of kicking +40 goals a year! Hartlet, Fisher, Betts, Waite could be thrown forward again Murphy/Stevens/Judd to kick more, it could be done!
Thank God you arnt our coach. Best you go sort out your team and leave Fev where he is.:mad:
celtic_pride
19 Apr 2008, 01:13
Luke Darcy is a knob ...
Was a decent player for the Dogs, but he really is an twit when it comes to 'special comments', has no personality and seems 'wooden' ...
I hope Fev aint reading this, or he might just want to pack his bags and leave.
Somehow, I don't think BF will have that much affect on him
jonoman89
19 Apr 2008, 01:38
fev is one of, if not the most required player in our side. he bleeds blue and has been the one shining light throughout our rough period.
this talk of trading him makes me sick!
thylacine60
19 Apr 2008, 02:25
Lot of people getting sick in here today. Place smells like a Parmesan cheese shop.
I'm sure we'll re-sign Fev mid-to-late in the year on the same money. The only reason we wouldn't is if Fev messes up again or if we look to have a real shot at Jonathan Brown, Andrew Embley or Daniel Kerr. I get the sense that Brown is very open to moving.
Brad Pearce
19 Apr 2008, 05:35
You never dispose of a talent as great as Fev's. Full Forwards of his calibre do not come along often
No reason Fev can't play until 33-35 as a full forward. If his head remains switched on to good Fev, then he will play in our next Premiership. The more we improve, the more Fev's attitude will improve.
The time to trade Fev would have been 2 years ago, when he was coming off his coleman medal in a losing team. His value was sky-high, he was just entering his prime years, and it was the 'superdraft'. I wrote at the time that Geelong were a prime candidate (coming off a horrendous year), and we could have got 2 picks and 2 players for him back then.
Now he's two years older, and a real conundrum. If he stays clean, plays well and improves his trade value - we want to keep him. He'll be a valuable asset as we rise up the ladder. If he doesn't stay clean, gets in trouble, then given his age and history we'll have to trade him for far less than he is worth; in which case, we might as well keep him!
Basically, the only circumstance we would want to trade him would be if our team had no prospect of success for 2-3 years, AND he was playing AA calibre football. We were in that position 2 years ago, but I doubt we will be again.
Blue Through and Through
19 Apr 2008, 12:25
I heard Darcy say it on the radio yesterday too. Pickering put him back in his box straight away.
Fev is a match winner and as we all know the draft is somewhat of a lottery. Fev may well be around another 5 or 6 years. I believe we have a chance to win a flag in this window, and you need a match winner to do that. Especially a gun full forward who can put the goals on the board.
I reckon we'd hope to be challenging for a flag in 4 years. By this time Judd's 28, Murph's 25 and Gibbs and Kreuzer are 23. Fev will be 32 which could be pushing it (older than Hall is now, same age as Gehrig).
I'd prefer to keep him still, he's basically our whole forward line and is a matchwinner who could bloody win us a GF himself but...if we get offered the world for him we'd have to consider.
Blue Bawls
19 Apr 2008, 12:40
Why would Fev, who's suffered along with the rest of us through the worst of times, suddenly want to up and leave when there is now a genuine chance of playing finals football in one or two years?
He could have put up the middle finger and persued a goalkicking career in the NFL, which is something he himself has hinted at, and I think if Carlton did want to release him at the end of the season, that's what he'd do. But he instead chose to get off the piss and focus on his game and I can't ever remember him having as good a game as he did on Sunday.
He's got three years at least left in him and I'd hang onto him as long as I could if it was up to me. He is a match-winner and a big-occasion player, and when we do get to the finals, he'll be one of our key players.
C4[2]Yo`DooR
20 Apr 2008, 10:49
Oh fantastic ... and we'll have Jake Edwards/Adam Hartlett kick 80+ goals and fill the void at FF instead right? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Yeah get rid of him... For John Brown. Im not asking much:D
Jimthegreat
20 Apr 2008, 12:15
The time to trade Fev would have been 2 years ago, when he was coming off his coleman medal in a losing team. His value was sky-high, he was just entering his prime years, and it was the 'superdraft'. I wrote at the time that Geelong were a prime candidate (coming off a horrendous year), and we could have got 2 picks and 2 players for him back then.
Now he's two years older, and a real conundrum. If he stays clean, plays well and improves his trade value - we want to keep him. He'll be a valuable asset as we rise up the ladder. If he doesn't stay clean, gets in trouble, then given his age and history we'll have to trade him for far less than he is worth; in which case, we might as well keep him!
Basically, the only circumstance we would want to trade him would be if our team had no prospect of success for 2-3 years, AND he was playing AA calibre football. We were in that position 2 years ago, but I doubt we will be again.You need you good players around to build the bridge between inexperienced, shit and a premiership, even if they're not there at the time when he flag is one. The transition doesn't happen just like that. Hawthorn got kids a few years ago but they have blended nicely with the experience they have there. Hence their development was quicker. That's the building of the bridge. We don't havemuch of that experience. Let's not give away one. You need your best there to get to that point.
For those reasons, anyone who says to trade a player because they won't be a part of the next flag is a knob. Maybe we won't a flag for 10 years. Let's trade the whole team!
Blueinblood
20 Apr 2008, 12:17
When Luke Darcy goes through a car race without making a ________ of himslef i willlisten
callers today ripped into darcy & co in the box on the radio.
look at the dogs, best midfielders are mid 30's in aka & west, best forward is real old too & they havent won a premiership.
then theres kevins tiges, done nothing for 27 years, why havent they traded richo ?
cos you dont take away the best players that the others look up to & learn from.
fev may be a tool sometimes but none of us see his charitable nature with sick kids etc, the stuff he does that doesnt get publicity.
i bet we've all done silly things that we could be embarassed by.
darcy & co, talk about how crap your own teams are before you try deflect attention elsewhere cos it makes you look like hypocrits.
ctacp
curlier than a catoggio pube
Pyro666
20 Apr 2008, 14:07
Just listening to Luke Darcy on SEN suggesting that
the Blues should trade Fev at the end of this year.
Said Fev will never play in GF for the blues and we should
get rid of him while his hot and worth something.
Interesting.What a (m/p)uppet! There's nothing controversial about this statement, All Darcy has done here is steal David Parkin's thunder to try and make himself sound like he's the voice of reason.
Gimboid!
Andyt31
20 Apr 2008, 16:50
Just listening to Luke Darcy on SEN suggesting that
the Blues should trade Fev at the end of this year.
Said Fev will never play in GF for the blues and we should
get rid of him while his hot and worth something.
Interesting.
Lol @ Lucke Darcy no chance he aint going no where :)
Team Mo'
20 Apr 2008, 16:52
get rid of the dud!!!
22 goals in 3 games is not good enough!:rolleyes:
chelseacarlton
20 Apr 2008, 17:20
A Bulldogs player giving us advice on what it takes to make and win GF's is absolutely hilarious. :)
im still laughing hes idiot
Andyt31
20 Apr 2008, 18:46
it be like get Rid of Brad Johnson lol ;)
maby Luke Darcy Should worry abut his old side :)
22 goals in 3 game.
He aint going anywhere.
:thumbsu:
Haha @ SEN going at it again, no surprises Darcy leading the charge. We would be stupid to trade someone as valuable as Fevola. If you keep on trading your best players for a pick or picks that may or may not work out (and will take years to blossom), you will always been in that rebuilding phase instead of actually aiming for the big prize.