Changes for next week

[bigman]

INS
Massie




OUTS
Jacky


I would have said Shirley but he seems to be able to play very ordinarily and still keep his place in the side.

He does not look match fit to me.

He does not have the leg speed to go with his immediate opponent.


Others who may be under pressure, but I cannot see getting dropped.

VB - better in the last quarter but gee he is making some errors when he gets the ball.

Kenny - just an average game today - Kenny needs to compete more in the air and kick those goals when the opportunities come.

Our true transformation will come when players like Kenny and Shirls are struggling to make the 22.

Given the quality of our youngsters you get the feeling that this time is not far away.

[Glenno23]

Out: Jacky, McGregor, Shirley

In: Massie, Maric, anyone who could replace Shirley who is not injured

[Ferris_rules]

Lock it in.

Dangerfield to debut for the Crows against the Blues (ironic?) at the MCG.

[bigman]

Shirely traditionally gets a game on Judd and usually does a fair job - but that is when he had a bit of form behind him.

He just needs to go back and play SANFL until he can get fit and run much harder and faster.

My feeling is that he has played to the best of his ability and he is now tailing off.

Lets hope I am wrong.

[Carl Spackler]

Shirely traditionally gets a game on Judd and usually does a fair job - but that is when he had a bit of form behind him.

He just needs to go back and play SANFL until he can get fit and run much harder and faster.
All the people calling for Shirley's head are wasting their breath. We don't have any other players. The rest are either kids or are injured.

[fightingdreamer88]

McGregor must go. That is all.

Also Knights could be back next week so perhaps he could come in for Shirley.

[Vince Van Mackay]

McGregor must go. That is all.

Also Knights could be back next week so perhaps he could come in for Shirley.

Who comes in for Mcgregor and plays his role brainiac?

Yeah, I thought so.

[macca23]

McGregor must go. That is all.
Also Knights could be back next week so perhaps he could come in for Shirley.

Clueless comment. :rolleyes:

Absolutely clueless.

[fightingdreamer88]

Who comes in for Mcgregor and plays his role brainiac?

Young man, we know that our options are limited, but it is clear that McGregor is a weak link. I don't suggest a change because the best two alternatives aren't fit; we KNOW that, but that isn't going to stop me from saying that we badly need to get him out of the side. Bad predicament.

[fightingdreamer88]

Clueless comment. :rolleyes:

Absolutely clueless.

Lol, all efforts to defend him are futile. I cannot wait for either of Hentschel or Gill to get fit....come on guys, we need you.

[Wayne's-World]

Clueless comment. :rolleyes:

Absolutely clueless.

Might be a wrong comment .......but not clueless

Based on performance he should go ........but I'm sure the Crows do not want more than 2-3 first year players in the side at the same time.

Massie to replace Shirley.

I tend to agree Dangerfield to replace Jacky .......seeing as in Melbourne and on the back of 2 emergency listings.

McGregor will stay IMO unless Maric absolutely burns this weekend and demands a ruck spot to free up Tippett.

[macca23]

Lol, all efforts to defend him are futile. I cannot wait for either of Hentschel or Gill to get fit....come on guys, we need you.

And they may well do that down the track when fit and in form.

But who of McGregor's size and build can come in and play that role next week, Einstein??

Name please??

[Vince Van Mackay]

Young man, we know that our options are limited, but it is clear that McGregor is a weak link. I don't suggest a change because the best two alternatives aren't fit; we KNOW that, but that isn't going to stop me from saying that we badly need to get him out of the side. Bad predicament.

No we don't.

Do you know anything about Football?

Oh and we know?

Who do you mean by we? The moron collective?

[fightingdreamer88]

And they may well do that down the track when fit and in form.

But who of McGregor's size and build can come in and play that role next week, Einstein??

Name please??

No one is denying that our replacements are not on the park, but that doesn't change the fact that McGregor hasn't fired a shot up forward this year. My point is, as soon as Hentschel/Gill are fit, McGregor has got to go because we lose so much by using him as a target.

[fightingdreamer88]

No we don't.

Do you know anything about Football?

Oh and we know?

Who do you mean by we? The moron collective?

You can disagree all you want but he will be gone sooner rather than later. It is as simple as that.

[smoovy]

In: Gill on one leg

Out: McGergor

[CrowHop]

For me, Shirley for Massie this week. Massie was in good nick before getting injured. Maybe Jacky for Campbell aswell. Thought Campbell was ok against the Hawks with minimal gametime.

And they may well do that down the track when fit and in form.

But who of McGregor's size and build can come in and play that role next week, Einstein??

Name please??

Depending on form/match ups/team balance for this week, one could argue Maric should come in.

[Vince Van Mackay]

You can disagree all you want but he will be gone sooner rather than later. It is as simple as that.

Same could be said for you.

[Wayne's-World]

And they may well do that down the track when fit and in form.

But who of McGregor's size and build can come in and play that role next week, Einstein??

Name please??

Sellar would do no worse and be a better mobile rucking option than Kenny ....who is freeing up Tippett to go forwrd.

It won't happen though ONLY because having 4 first year players in the side would be ridiculous

[CrowMagnum]

And they may well do that down the track when fit and in form.

But who of McGregor's size and build can come in and play that role next week, Einstein??

Name please??
Easy one that.

Tippett for McGregor. Maric for Tippett.

[macca23]

Sellar would do no worse and be a better mobile rucking option than Kenny ....who is freeing up Tippett to go forwrd.
It won't happen though ONLY because having 4 first year players in the side would be ridiculous

FFS!!

Sellar is struggling at SANFL level at present.

Sure, he'd come in and play twice as good as Kenny. :rolleyes:

I'd hate to play for the Crows with some of the jackal like supporters we have on this site. :rolleyes:

[Vince Van Mackay]

In caps so people get the picture.

TIPPET IS NOT GOING TO BE FREED UP TO MOVE FORWARD.

DEAL WITH IT.

HE IS BEING PLAYED IN THE RUCK AS WELL FOR TEAM BALANCE AND TO GIVE HIM EXPERIENCE IN THE PLAY SO HE ISN'T SITTING UP FORWARD AWAY FROM THE BALL. IF HE IS INVOLVED IN THE GAME HE WILL GAIN CONFIDENCE IN HIS PLAYING ABILITY WHICH IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE HE HAS ONLY PLAYED JUST OVER 50 GAMES OF FOOTY IN HIS LIFE TIME. AND SO HE HAS TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PLAY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

HE HAS PLAYED 4 GAMES, STOP PINNING OUR FORWARD LINE HOPES ON HIM. NEIL CRAIG KNOWS HOW TO MANAGE YOUNG PLAYERS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO HOW HE SEES FIT, REGARDLESS OF THE MISINFORMED WHINGING OF BIGFOOTY ARMCHAIR COACHES.

ITS NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN SOON, IF IT DOES, THEN IT DOES. I'M TIRED OF READING POST AFTER POST ABOUT HOW A 4 GAME PLAYER MUST REMAIN UP FORWARD THE WHOLE GAME BLAH BLAH BLAH, AS I THINK HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE, IT IS ABOUT HIS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT NOT ABOUT HOW HE IMPACTS THE SIDE IN THE SHORT TERM.

STOP BEING SELFISH.

[fightingdreamer88]

Easy one that.

Tippett for McGregor. Maric for Tippett.

Would be an okay move but we put all of our fit ruck stocks at risk then. When Moran gets going again then maybe, but until then it's a big risk. McGregor WILL begin his transition out of the side by the midpoint of the season at the latest though. It is sad for him but the writing is on the wall.

[CrowMagnum]

In caps so people get the picture.

TIPPET IS NOT GOING TO BE FREED UP TO MOVE FORWARD.

DEAL WITH IT.

HE IS BEING PLAYED IN THE RUCK AS WELL FOR TEAM BALANCE AND TO GIVE HIM EXPERIENCE IN THE PLAY SO HE ISN'T SITTING UP FORWARD AWAY FROM THE BALL. IF HE IS INVOLVED IN THE GAME HE WILL GAIN CONFIDENCE IN HIS PLAYING ABILITY WHICH IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE HE HAS ONLY PLAYED JUST OVER 50 GAMES OF FOOTY IN HIS LIFE TIME. AND SO HE HAS TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PLAY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

HE HAS PLAYED 4 GAMES, STOP PINNING OUR FORWARD LINE HOPES ON HIM. NEIL CRAIG KNOWS HOW TO MANAGE YOUNG PLAYERS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO HOW HE SEES FIT, REGARDLESS OF THE MISINFORMED WHINGING OF BIGFOOTY ARMCHAIR COACHES.

ITS NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN SOON, IF IT DOES, THEN IT DOES. I'M TIRED OF READING POST AFTER POST ABOUT HOW A 4 GAME PLAYER MUST REMAIN UP FORWARD THE WHOLE GAME BLAH BLAH BLAH, AS I THINK HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE, IT IS ABOUT HIS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT NOT ABOUT HOW HE IMPACTS THE SIDE IN THE SHORT TERM.

STOP BEING SELFISH.
Despite your'e SHOUTING I'm also confident the AFC will see the light and do the obvious. He's a natural forward and will end up there whether you like it or not, hopefully soon. And how is that selfish :confused:

[Wayne's-World]

FFS!!

Sellar is struggling at SANFL level at present.

Sure, he'd come in and play twice as good as Kenny. :rolleyes:

I'd hate to play for the Crows with some of the jackal like supporters we have on this site. :rolleyes:

So your saying McGregor played well ......is that your position?

BTW who is saying Sellar is struggling? ......Craig stated in the press this week that he was pleased with Sellars form in the SANFL.

I didn't say Sellar would play twice as good as Kenny ......I said he couldn't play worse than Kenny.

Now Macca ...try and put an argument together based on fact, stats or something that we can discuss ..... rather than expletives and ridicule for anyone that differs from your factless arguments.

[macca23]

So your saying McGregor played well ......is that your position?

BTW who is saying Sellar is struggling? ......Craig stated in the press this week that he was pleased with Sellars form in the SANFL.

I didn't say Sellar would play twice as good as Kenny ......I said he couldn't play worse than Kenny.

Now Macca ...try and put an argument together based on fact, stats or something that we can discuss ..... rather than expletives and ridicule for anyone that differs from your factless arguments.

WW, IMO you've hit rock bottom today.

No point having any further discussion.

[Vince Van Mackay]

Despite your'e SHOUTING I'm also confident the AFC will see the light and do the obvious. He's a natural forward and will end up there whether you like it or not, hopefully soon. And how is that selfish :confused:

Its selfish because its a detriment to his future development, its selfish because people want him up there so he can kick more goals (which is no guarantee) these are things that might help Adelaide in the short term, but not in the long term, so its selfish.

He has played 4 games.

4 games, hes not the messiah, hes a 4 game developing player who shows glimpses of greatness.

[adelaide_girl]

Whilst i agree K-Mac has been in poor form thus far this season, he does have a role and that is commanding a decent back, and once again he must be doing the role requested to a level the coaching staff are pleased with. Clearly now that Lukey is out, and Perrie is at blue land :) we need a new favorite whipping boy.

[fightingdreamer88]

WW, IMO you've hit rock bottom today.

No point having any further discussion.

So you think McGregor is a better option than Hentschel/Gill when they're fit young macca23?

[adelaide_girl]

So you think McGregor is a better option than Hentschel/Gill when they're fit young macca23?

Big issue with your logic sunshine - that is awesome sunshine, that sig is better ;) They are not fit.
We have no idea at this stage how Trent will come back, and he has a slight hamstring strain already (the poor lad - had enough trauma to last a lifetime) so its all hypothetical.

[Vince Van Mackay]

So you think McGregor is a better option than Hentschel/Gill when they're fit young macca23?

He didn't say.

He asked you.

Who is a better option NOW?

What is this, pipe dream world? Hentschel is a couple of months away, Gill, at least a couple of weeks, but who knows if his body will hold up.

What do you think young Fightingdreamer88, huh kid, champ, chump, kid, troll?

Spud - Fightingdreamer88 in a word.

[fightingdreamer88]

Big issue with your logic sunshine - that is awesome sunshine, that sig is better ;) They are not fit.
We have no idea at this stage how Trent will come back, and he has a slight hamstring strain already (the poor lad - had enough trauma to last a lifetime) so its all hypothetical.

There is nothing wrong with my logic, only with you guys seeming to make up your own interpretations of what I am saying. What I am saying (and you're hearing it direct from the great one here) is that McGregor must go. No, not necessarily this week because we are in a sad short term situation where we don't have a lot of options, but he cannot be part of our long term plans; he has to go and he will go whether people like it or not.

[Wayne's-World]

WW, IMO you've hit rock bottom today.

No point having any further discussion.

I have asked you to put a rationale argument to support your views .... and this is how you respond

Well I guess that answers my questions.

[fightingdreamer88]

He didn't say.

He asked you.

Who is a better option NOW?

What is this, pipe dream world? Hentschel is a couple of months away, Gill, at least a couple of weeks, but who knows if his body will hold up.

What do you think young Fightingdreamer88, huh kid, champ, chump, kid, troll?

Spud - Fightingdreamer88 in a word.

That's personal abuse. Not cool.

Who said he must go THIS WEEK? Only you are suggesting that.

[CrowHop]

So you think McGregor is a better option than Hentschel/Gill when they're fit young macca23?

You're missing the point. You say McGregor should be dropped, so who should come in to the side and in what capacity ? Maric ? Sellar ? Do we go small ? Bock to CHF ? What are you proposing ?

When Gill and Hentschell are fit, we can assess whether Kenny should be dropped in favour of these guys. Unfortunately we don't have that luxury right now, so there is little point discussing it.

[Drummond]

HE IS BEING PLAYED IN THE RUCK AS WELL FOR TEAM BALANCE AND TO GIVE HIM EXPERIENCE IN THE PLAY SO HE ISN'T SITTING UP FORWARD AWAY FROM THE BALL. IF HE IS INVOLVED IN THE GAME HE WILL GAIN CONFIDENCE IN HIS PLAYING ABILITY WHICH IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE HE HAS ONLY PLAYED JUST OVER 50 GAMES OF FOOTY IN HIS LIFE TIME. AND SO HE HAS TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PLAY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

HE HAS PLAYED 4 GAMES, STOP PINNING OUR FORWARD LINE HOPES ON HIM. NEIL CRAIG KNOWS HOW TO MANAGE YOUNG PLAYERS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO HOW HE SEES FIT, REGARDLESS OF THE MISINFORMED WHINGING OF BIGFOOTY ARMCHAIR COACHES.

ITS NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN SOON, IF IT DOES, THEN IT DOES. I'M TIRED OF READING POST AFTER POST ABOUT HOW A 4 GAME PLAYER MUST REMAIN UP FORWARD THE WHOLE GAME BLAH BLAH BLAH, AS I THINK HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE, IT IS ABOUT HIS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT NOT ABOUT HOW HE IMPACTS THE SIDE IN THE SHORT TERM.

STOP BEING SELFISH.
Stop being selfish? Are you okay? Too much strain on the brain?

Tippett is a key forward. Yes it's nice that he's getting some experience in the ruck, but here's a new thought for your good self, if you've got a key forward, and a ruckman waiting in the wings, why not play the forward AS a key forward and bring in the ruckman to ruck? Pretty simple I would've thought. Fact: Tippett will grow tired from being battered in the ruck as opposed to just staying up forward. Who said we're pinning our hopes on him as a forward? He's a great prospect, that's all we're saying. A tall, athletic forward who can take a contested mark. The more time he spends time up forward, the better off we are.

[adelaide_girl]

There is nothing wrong with my logic, only with you guys seeming to make up your own interpretations of what I am saying. What I am saying (and you're hearing it direct from the great one here) is that McGregor must go. No, not necessarily this week because we are in a sad short term situation where we don't have a lot of options, but he cannot be part of our long term plans; he has to go and he will go whether people like it or not.

4 weeks ago every one wanted Dogga out, now he is flavour of the week. Can you with your crystal ball say 100% that kenny will not turn the corner form wise. If you can can i have lotto numbers, i broke :)

[Vince Van Mackay]

Stop being selfish? Are you okay? Too much strain on the brain?

Tippett is a key forward. Yes it's nice that he's getting some experience in the ruck, but here's a new thought for your good self, if you've got a key forward, and a ruckman waiting in the wings, why not play the forward AS a key forward and bring in the ruckman to ruck? Pretty simple I would've thought. Fact: Tippett will grow tired from being battered in the ruck as opposed to just staying up forward. Who said we're pinning our hopes on him as a forward? He's a great prospect, that's all we're saying. A tall, athletic forward who can take a contested mark. The more time he spends time up forward, the better off we are.

Hmm lets see.

AFL teams coached by Drummond 0
AFL teams coached by Neil Craig 1

Think he knows more about player development than you.

[Wayne's-World]

4 weeks ago every one wanted Dogga out, now he is flavour of the week. Can you with your crystal ball say 100% that kenny will not turn the corner form wise. If you can can i have lotto numbers, i broke :)

To be fair players were judged this season on what they did or were perceived to have done last season.

There is little doubt Doughty knows his next contract is on the line as the club clearly regenerates its list.

He is quite clearly playing for his life .......and on that I say thank god for 1 year contracts (are listening mr Welsh!)

[Vince Van Mackay]

That's personal abuse. Not cool.

Who said he must go THIS WEEK? Only you are suggesting that.

Well gee, you kind of implied it by saying he must go young FD88.

Personal abuse young kid?

I don't think so, I'm merely commenting on your posts young man. If you can provide proof that you are not a trolling spud, then I'll withdraw my statement young one.

[Drummond]

Hmm lets see.

AFL teams coached by Drummond 0
AFL teams coached by Neil Craig 1

Think he knows more about player development than you.
What a sensational post! :thumbsu:

So let's get this straight, being a coach makes you right about everything? They never make mistakes? Just wanted to get that cleared up. :)

[adelaide_girl]

To be fair players were judged this season on what they did or were perceived to have done last season.

There is little doubt Doughty knows his next contract is on the line as the club clearly regenerates its list.

He is quite clearly playing for his life .......and on that I say thank god for 1 year contracts (are listening mr Welsh!)

I know that ww, was merely a fair well i think fair comparison, and shows how quickly things change.

Kenny is atm struggling, i don't think anyone will deny that. But we just don't appear to have ready made kpp's to force their way in. Craigy in his pc made it sound like Maric still isn't in the running. I think he will be hesitant to make too many changes, unless the option is a proven better one.

[fightingdreamer88]

Well gee, you kind of implied it by saying he must go young FD88.

Personal abuse young kid?

I don't think so, I'm merely commenting on your posts young man. If you can provide proof that you are not a trolling spud, then I'll withdraw my statement young one.

You interpreted wrong.

Anyway regardless of anything you or the others say, McGregor's days are numbered.

[Vince Van Mackay]

What a sensational post! :thumbsu:

So let's get this straight, being a coach makes you right about everything? They never make mistakes? Just wanted to get that cleared up. :)

Where'd you pull that from, the same place you find inspiration for your glowing reports of Norwood duds?

I didn't say that, and you know I didn't say that. Putting words into peoples mouths is the territory of the stupid.

It seems you need my post explained to you. Well you see Drummond, I was suggesting that Neil Craig knows more about player development than you do, and in this case there is no evidence at all that Tippet is being mismanaged, the only driving force here is your misguided opinions and desires. I am of the opinion that developing a player for the future is more important than short term success. So yes, I agree with Neil Craig the successful player developer, over you and the other anonymous posters on an Internet Messageboard.

[Vince Van Mackay]

You interpreted wrong.

Anyway regardless of anything you or the others say, McGregor's days are numbered.

No, more likely you meant that and are back tracking as usual because of your chronic foot in mouth disease.

[fightingdreamer88]

No, more likely you meant that and are back tracking as usual because of your chronic foot in mouth disease.

I don't backtrack but feel free to speculate. McGregor will be gone.

[Drummond]

Where'd you pull that from, the same place you find inspiration for your glowing reports of Norwood duds?

I didn't say that, and you know I didn't say that. Putting words into peoples mouths is the territory of the stupid.

It seems you need my post explained to you. Well you see Drummond, I was suggesting that Neil Craig knows more about player development than you do, and in this case there is no evidence at all that Tippet is being mismanaged, the only driving force here is your misguided opinions and desires. I am of the opinion that developing a player for the future is more important than short term success. So yes, I agree with Neil Craig the successful player developer, over you and the other anonymous posters on an Internet Messageboard.
Ah but you see, I get all that mate, but what I don't get is how you are seemingly of the belief that being a coach means you can't manage players incorrectly. Neil Craig is human too. :thumbsu:

Fact is Tippett's a great young forward prospect and the fact that he ISN'T being left in his best position is a case of being mismanaged, especially given the fact we have a perfectly capable ruckman in good form waiting in the wings. My opinion, and of course I could be wrong, but through my eyes that as a team we are better off having Tippett up forward. If that's selfish then your call.

[dchawk]

Campbell if fit, will return.

[Vince Van Mackay]

Ah but you see, I get all that mate, but what I don't get is how you are seemingly of the belief that being a coach means you can't manage players incorrectly. Neil Craig is human too. :thumbsu:

Fact is Tippett's a great young forward prospect and the fact that he ISN'T being left in his best position is a case of being mismanaged, especially given the fact we have a perfectly capable ruckman in good form waiting in the wings. My opinion, and of course I could be wrong, but through my eyes that as a team we are better off having Tippett up forward. If that's selfish then your call.

Again Drummond, where are you pulling this from?

Stop putting words in other peoples mouths, it makes you look stupid.

I said again, that Neil Craig is a successful player developer, which he is given previous success in developing young players in the Crows team. I didn't say at any point that he doesn't make mistakes.

I also said that there is no evidence that Tippet is being mismanaged, not at all. You seem to think that he is, could you provide in depth information and evidence as to how he is being mismanaged? Apart from saying over and over again that he is a promising forward and blah blah blah.

Finally I said I agree with Neil Craig in his management of tippet, because so far its correct, he is playing great for a 4th gamer. Now I don't know why you continually put words into my mouth and continue to question whether i think he is correct all the time (Which you pull out of thin air). When whether or not he is wrong sometimes is completely Irrelevant to this discussion and in no way validates what you are saying.

It seems what you are saying, without evidence or any logically provable reason that Tippet is being mismanaged because Neil Craig is wrong some times. Which is hilarious.

[Vince Van Mackay]

I don't backtrack but feel free to speculate. McGregor will be gone.

McGregor will be gone?

What, gone like all your own posts you remove?

[crows98]

In – Knights (if fit)

Out – Jackie.

If knights is not fit enough to play, unchanged.

[Stiffy_18]

In – Knights (if fit)

Out – Jackie.

If knights is not fit enough to play, unchanged.
That would be my choice.

Or even if Massie is ready, which he says he will be, then I would bring him in just to strengthen up that defence and give us more match up flexibility there.


I must admit I am already a bit of a Jacky fan. He is clearly not quite ready for the AFL yet but he is just like a supercharged energizer bunny thats bouncing around the place and is involved in anything. It was quite refreshing to see him come on and go straight into it and try to tackle Sandilands. Commical no doubt but great to see that enthusiasm :thumbsu:

He seems to run to the right spots, he always seems to be around where the action is and that to me is always a good sign. With a bit more development, I think we finally have that cheeky small forward that we have been searching for. I just LOVE the way he goes about it. He will be a real little excitement machine!

[crows98]

That would be my choice.

Or even if Massie is ready, which he says he will be, then I would bring him in just to strengthen up that defence and give us more match up flexibility there.

Yeah agree, didn’t overlook Massie just didn’t realize he would be ready yet.


I must admit I am already a bit of a Jacky fan. He is clearly not quite ready for the AFL yet but he is just like a supercharged energizer bunny thats bouncing around the place and is involved in anything. It was quite refreshing to see him come on and go straight into it and try to tackle Sandilands. Commical no doubt but great to see that enthusiasm :thumbsu:

He seems to run to the right spots, he always seems to be around where the action is and that to me is always a good sign. With a bit more development, I think we finally have that cheeky small forward that we have been searching for. I just LOVE the way he goes about it. He will be a real little excitement machine!

:thumbsu:

With David MacKay, Bernie Vince and Richard Douglas we are starting to generate some real speed across the field.

I like it a lot.

[doppelganger47]

i doubt Knights would be ready to play next week.
at best, i'm hoping Massie is ready to return.
on the out; Jacky (did not look afl ready) or Shirley.
...after the media attention on the crows and how they were working on their tackling, i didn't see the rewards from that hard work.
it again looked like the crows couldn't lay a tackle or barely tried; though to be fair, i guess the moments i'm thinking of involve Griffin and Jacky - two of the skinniest players.

[Drummond]

Yeah agree, didn’t overlook Massie just didn’t realize he would be ready yet.




:thumbsu:

With David MacKay, Bernie Vince and Richard Douglas we are starting to generate some real speed across the field.

I like it a lot.
:confused:

The same Douglas that has been run down by the speed demons Chad Fletcher and Shaun McManus this year?

And I hate to burst everyone's buble, because although I love him, Mackay is not that quick.

And Vince Van Mackay, you're posting is extremely similar to that of Southerntakeover.

[CrowHop]

Knights may come back through the SANFL given his long layoff. Hopefully Massie returns and possible Campbell. That will give us some hardness in the middle and some real flexibility down back.

[-CG-]

Knights may come back through the SANFL given his long layoff. Hopefully Massie returns and possible Campbell. That will give us some hardness in the middle and some real flexibility down back.

I didn't see Massie at all at training this week.

Knights joined in a fair bit, so I imagine he wouldn't be too far off.

[crows98]

:confused:

The same Douglas that has been run down by the speed demons Chad Fletcher and Shaun McManus this year?

And I hate to burst everyone's buble, because although I love him, Mackay is not that quick.

And Vince Van Mackay, you're posting is extremely similar to that of Southerntakeover.

Yes Drumstick the same Richard Douglas that sped away for the speedy Shaun Burgoyne and kicked a goal. And I would hate to burst your bubble but you’re a numbskull who is nothing but a bias SOB. :mad:

[Drummond]

Yes Drumstick the same Richard Douglas that sped away for the speedy Shaun Burgoyne and kicked a goal. And I would hate to burst your bubble but you’re a numbskull who is nothing but a bias SOB. :mad:
Wow, someone needs to settle down! :)

You're using that Burgoyne one as an example? The guy, which was made clear a number of times, has very little fitness base due to a limited pre-season and at that time of the game he was spent. Douglas picked up the ball and changed directions which was too much for SB.

[SpringChoke]

OUT: McGregor.
IN: Sanders

[Eastern Crow]

Massie was interviewed by numerous media outlets today and was very confident on returning next week

After the game, NC was interviewed on Fox and stated that his plans for Tippett is as a key forward

I know some people have been shot down for suggesting Kenny should be dropped, however considering the opposition next week it may not be as stupid as it sounds. :eek:

Carlton have a inexperience ruck combination, I would expect Griffin and Maric would be more than capable to handle Cloke and Kruezer, this would enable Tippett to push forward and given Carlton's thin and inexperience defence, well in my opinion we do not lose much next week if NC went down this path and dropped Kenny, we can certainly maintain the current structure

Jacky, I would like to see him hold his spot for at least another week.

My side

In Maric and Massie (if fit)

Out McGregor and Shirley

McGreggor, 4 goals in 5 matches as a forward is not good enough, not to mention his lack of defensive pressure :thumbsd:

Shirley, please NC do not consider Shirley v Judd :mad:

[Campbell's Chunky]

In: Walker, Sellar, Otten, Moss, Kite, Henstchel
Out: Shirley, McGregor, Doughty, Burton, Welsh, Hudson

[MickyCrow]

Be interesting to see if Craigy only had McGregor in to get to the 150 milestone :eek:;)

[doppelganger47]

:confused:

The same Douglas that has been run down by the speed demons Chad Fletcher and Shaun McManus this year?

And I hate to burst everyone's buble, because although I love him, Mackay is not that quick.

And Vince Van Mackay, you're posting is extremely similar to that of Southerntakeover.i agree, Douglas is not quick. neither is Vince or Mackay.
Adelaide do lack speed. when i think of our fastest player on field, i think Johncock. Jacky didn't even show any of the speed that i thought he'd have.

[Ferris_rules]

In: Walker, Sellar, Otten, Moss, Kite, Henstchel
Out: Shirley, McGregor, Doughty, Burton, Welsh, Hudson

thats immature ok.


hmmmm

in: Robran

Out:McGregor

[Campbell's Chunky]

thats immature ok.
Sorry mate. I promise I won't do it again.
hmmmm

in: Robran

Out:McGregorGood option IMO. :thumbsu: Gives us more flexibility on the ball.

[Eastern Crow]

i agree, Douglas is not quick. neither is Vince or Mackay.
Adelaide do lack speed. when i think of our fastest player on field, i think Johncock. Jacky didn't even show any of the speed that i thought he'd have.

I must be watching another Douglas :confused::eek:

[doppelganger47]

I must be watching another Douglas :confused::eek:well, he's stacked on some muscle in the last couple years and is no longer that quick. doesn't have much of an acceleration.
...and that one play reference with Douglas outrunning Burgoyne definitely seemed inflated. Douglas did a side step and changed direction slightly, which Burgoyne didn't pick up on. i've seen it happen many times to the crows, where crows players just don't come close to laying a tackle and get side stepped. doesn't mean the other guy is that fast. the only speed we have is with Danger, and maybe Jacky.

[Ferris_rules]

Sorry mate. I promise I won't do it again.
Good option IMO. :thumbsu: Gives us more flexibility on the ball.

thanks I appreciated your humour. :thumbsu:

[Eastern Crow]

well, he's stacked on some muscle in the last couple years and is no longer that quick. doesn't have much of an acceleration.
...and that one play reference with Douglas outrunning Burgoyne definitely seemed inflated. Douglas did a side step and changed direction slightly, which Burgoyne didn't pick up on. i've seen it happen many times to the crows, where crows players just don't come close to laying a tackle and get side stepped. doesn't mean the other guy is that fast. the only speed we have is with Danger, and maybe Jacky.

hmmm

stacked on the muscle:eek:

maybe we need to ask Shaun Burgoyne if Douglas has acceleration :eek::eek:

[crows98]

hmmm

stacked on the muscle:eek:

maybe we need to ask Shaun Burgoyne if Douglas has acceleration :eek::eek:

But he didn’t have a good pre season and his fitness levels are low, this is how Douglas was able to accelerate past him…….not the fact that Richard Douglas is quick :eek:

[doppelganger47]

hmmm
stacked on the muscle:eek:
maybe we need to ask Shaun Burgoyne if Douglas has acceleration :eek::eek:ok, i'd assume everyone would have some degree of acceleration, to go from one gear to another, but i'm talking about standout quick/fast players...Douglas may have ran past Burgoyne in that situation, but i don't think that makes him a standout speedster.

[Eastern Crow]

But he didn’t have a good pre season and his fitness levels are low, this is how Douglas was able to accelerate past him…….not the fact that Richard Douglas is quick

watch the replay

at the time Douglas, stopped and pivoted and then hit the acceleration, regardless of Shaun's pre-season he is still one of the quickest at Port over the first 20m

[Eastern Crow]

ok, i'd assume everyone would have some degree of acceleration, to go from one gear to another, but i'm talking about standout quick/fast players...Douglas may have ran past Burgoyne in that situation, but i don't think that makes him a standout speedster.

who are the standout speedsters, about 5% of the players in the competition

[crows98]

watch the replay

at the time Douglas, stopped and pivoted and then hit the acceleration, regardless of Shaun's pre-season he is still one of the quickest at Port over the first 20m

I was being sarcastic; I was in agreement with you. Sorry

[crows98]

who are the standout speedsters, about 5% of the players in the competition

Exactly.

Jimmy Bartel is not a standout speedster, nor is Shane Crawford and they are two players Richard Douglas should be trying to mirror in how he plays the game. If Richard Douglas can achieve half what those two player have we will have a very classy player on our hands.

[Eastern Crow]

I was being sarcastic; I was in agreement with you. Sorry

my apology, its very late :o

[crows98]

my apology, its very late :o

That’s ok, my answer was quite ambiguous and I suspected that you may have taken it the way you did.

No problem.

[fightingdreamer88]

Richard Douglas is quick, not express but quick. A lot of you change your views on who is quick and who is not from week to week.

Mackay is quick, again not express but quick. He showed some of this acceleration today at times, bolting through the centre. It's a turn of pace, not Daveyesque stuff.

You would put them on par with someone like an Ablett Jnr. - zippy but not to the point that they can build their games around leg speed. The classic proof of this was in the Grand Final last year where Ablett broke the Surjan tackle and broke away, zippy for sure, but the -genuine- pace of Surjan saw him bring Gazza down with a great follow up effort. Knights is another one you could throw into this sort of category.

The type of player we lack is the genuine speed machine; that's your Danger, your Jacky, your Petrenko and so on. We have these types on our list but obviously they aren't in the side just yet. This is the next phase for our midfield, to get one of these, maybe two, in there and running the lines.

We are not short of "zippy" little players, we just lack the real searing runner who can just rip through a pack and leave everyone behind.

[Kane McGoodwin]

:confused:

The same Douglas that has been run down by the speed demons Chad Fletcher and Shaun McManus this year?

And I hate to burst everyone's buble, because although I love him, Mackay is not that quick.

And Vince Van Mackay, you're posting is extremely similar to that of Southerntakeover.
You should stop commenting on Douglas Drummond as you are killing off any credibility. Not only does Douglas have pace, but he has poise & has adjusted to AFL this year. Has genuine class & very happy to have in the Crows' lineup unlike some of your favourite duds Pfeiffer & Meesen.

I also, don't see Kenny in our best-22, but without the availability of Gill & Hentschel, the only option at the moment is to bring in Maric to ruck & play Tippett FF & probably Stevens at CHF. May not be a bad move, as I would prefer Stevens than Kenny on Waite.

[CrowMagnum]

Would be an okay move but we put all of our fit ruck stocks at risk then. When Moran gets going again then maybe, but until then it's a big risk. McGregor WILL begin his transition out of the side by the midpoint of the season at the latest though. It is sad for him but the writing is on the wall.
How does that work :confused:. Maric is playing SANFL, he's not in a health resort. He's just as likely to get injured for the MAgpies as for the Crows.

[fightingdreamer88]

How does that work :confused:. Maric is playing SANFL, he's not in a health resort. He's just as likely to get injured for the MAgpies as for the Crows.

AFL is a much more intense competition, more risk of injury.

[Southerntakeover]

And Vince Van Mackay, you're posting is extremely similar to that of Southerntakeover.

Believe it or not, im not the only one who thinks you're a tool.

[Allefgib]

Believe it or not, im not the only one who thinks you're a tool.

hahahaha.. harsh but gold.

back on topic:

Out: Jacky, McGregor, Shirley
In: Knights, Massie, Maric

Interesting suggestion that calling for Tippett to play forward for a whole game is 'selfish'. Hadn't looked at it from that point of view before.

I'd just like to see us look to use him more going forward. Numerous times today he could have been the long 'bail out' target. We never used him. Was starting to frustrate me no end. We know he can take a contested mark. We know his ability to move through players to get front position is amazing.. we've seen him come from 3 or 4 deep to get a great crumb. Yet today for some reason we never used him in that capacity (despite some magic work around the ground, I even loved the big of aggro he showed in dumping a freo player at one point.. anyone else see that?).

Plus.. love to see big Ivan get another shot (assuming good form again in the SANFL). Griffo going great guns atm but likely to run outa puff soonish.

[Rollins]

[
i agree, Douglas is not quick. neither is Vince or Mackay.
Adelaide do lack speed. when i think of our fastest player on field, i think Johncock. Jacky didn't even show any of the speed that i thought he'd have.

Do you think maybe we should give these boys more than 5 games in the comp. before we decide if they are any good or not....we are playing good young guys and their attributes will shine through the more they play..I would imagine it would take a bit of time for them to get used to the speed of the game..look at Gibbs...he is starting to burn after a year at afl level and he was a no.1 pick...my god those aholes stole him from us!!!!!!!

[Drummond]

I was being sarcastic; I was in agreement with you. Sorry
Well done, both looked like fools and I didn't even do anything. :D :thumbsu:

But he didn’t have a good pre season and his fitness levels are low, this is how Douglas was able to accelerate past him…….not the fact that Richard Douglas is quick :eek:
Just got to laugh I guess! If you honestly think Douglas of all people would be able to outsprint Burgoyne with all things considered equal, might as well not bother. :thumbsu:

Richard Douglas is quick, not express but quick. A lot of you change your views on who is quick and who is not from week to week.

Mackay is quick, again not express but quick. He showed some of this acceleration today at times, bolting through the centre. It's a turn of pace, not Daveyesque stuff.

You would put them on par with someone like an Ablett Jnr. - zippy but not to the point that they can build their games around leg speed. The classic proof of this was in the Grand Final last year where Ablett broke the Surjan tackle and broke away, zippy for sure, but the -genuine- pace of Surjan saw him bring Gazza down with a great follow up effort. Knights is another one you could throw into this sort of category.
You seriously didn't did you? You HONESTLY think Douglas is as quick as Ablett Jnr?

[Messiah]

Just got to laugh I guess! If you honestly think Douglas of all people would be able to outsprint Burgoyne with all things considered equal, might as well not bother. :thumbsu:


Current sprint times would be private info, but draft sprint times were

S Burgoyne
5m 1.09s
10m 1.78s
20m 2.93s

R Douglas
5m 1.02s
10m 1.75s
20m 2.96s

Might as well not bother then. :)
Richie is l33t over 5m if you don't give him too much time to think about it.

But to be fair, perceived speed includes all sorts of other factors, such as decision making speed, reaction time and agility. Johncock for example might look quick but is average in actual sprint times. He just has that natural footy brain.

For the record, even Danger could only manage 1.03s for 5m.

[Ferris_rules]

Current sprint times would be private info, but draft sprint times were

S Burgoyne
5m 1.09s
10m 1.78s
20m 2.93s

R Douglas
5m 1.02s
10m 1.75s
20m 2.96s

Might as well not bother then. :)
Richie is l33t over 5m if you don't give him too much time to think about it.

But to be fair, perceived speed includes all sorts of other factors, such as decision making speed, reaction time and agility. Johncock for example might look quick but is average in actual sprint times. He just has that natural footy brain.

For the record, even Danger could only manage 1.03s for 5m.

Time for the silly comment I think !

But they should conduct speed tests when you run with a football and bounce it. Isnt that is what is most important multiple competing tasks timed over a short period. ie. Hand eye combination.

Otherwise Carl Lewis should have played for the Crows.

[SpringChoke]

Believe it or not, im not the only one who thinks you're a tool.

......

[fightingdreamer88]

You seriously didn't did you? You HONESTLY think Douglas is as quick as Ablett Jnr?

He absolutely is, possibly quicker in fact. I suggest you have a good look at the stats Messiah provided. Douglas is faster than even Dangerfield over 5m, and is certainly faster than Burgoyne over both 5m and 10m. You are only seeing what you want to see, and are taking cases of Douglas choosing to try and evade or search for options rather than use the afterburners and assume he hasn't got any pace. Absurd.

David Mackay is also zippy but prefers to settle and use his skills rather than rely on the afterburners. He has shown instances of significant acceleration from his opponents, enough to create a gap and reduce the pressure on his disposal.

[topjars]

Shirely traditionally gets a game on Judd and usually does a fair job - but that is when he had a bit of form behind him.

He just needs to go back and play SANFL until he can get fit and run much harder and faster.

My feeling is that he has played to the best of his ability and he is now tailing off.

Lets hope I am wrong.

If Shirley is put on Judd next week :eek:we'll get caned.

IN : Massie, Dangerfield, Sellar
OUT: Shirley, McGregor, vBerlo;)

[Crowman32]

I was just looking on the TAC Cup website and there appears to be no Under 18s games next week. I think there maybe a very good chance Dangerfield may get a game for the crows next week although with Neil Craigs conservative approach who knows.

[Campbell's Chunky]

I was just looking on the TAC Cup website and there appears to be no Under 18s games next week. I think there maybe a very good chance Dangerfield may get a game for the crows next week although with Neil Craigs conservative approach who knows.
Danger will play.

Bookmark it.

[Drummond]

He absolutely is, possibly quicker in fact. I suggest you have a good look at the stats Messiah provided. Douglas is faster than even Dangerfield over 5m, and is certainly faster than Burgoyne over both 5m and 10m. You are only seeing what you want to see, and are taking cases of Douglas choosing to try and evade or search for options rather than use the afterburners and assume he hasn't got any pace. Absurd.

David Mackay is also zippy but prefers to settle and use his skills rather than rely on the afterburners. He has shown instances of significant acceleration from his opponents, enough to create a gap and reduce the pressure on his disposal.
:D If nothing else, you're great for a laugh. :thumbsu:

Quicker than Danger over 5 metres? Wow, sign him up for the Olympic team right now. Oh wait, that's not over 5 metres is it. 5 metres, got to be the most worthless thing ever recorded. All I know is that he's been run down by Fletcher and McManus.

As for Mackay, he's probably my favourite youngster on our list and I rate him VERY highly, but he's not overly quick, or zippy, or whatever the heck you want to define it as. "Prefers to settle and use his skills rather than rely on the afterburners"? Okay, but when he chases after his opponent he struggles to keep up. What do you put that down to?

[Dandy_GO]

I'm still thinking we should give Fred a week off.
Just doesn't seem all there this year - especially after his knock. Not the player he was 2 years ago at all, didn't have a preseason, came back the week after being out cold. Would just like to give him some time off to get it together.
Was definately a better game from him this week, however, so hopefully he's over the bad patch. He just seemed to be having a ____load of brain fades, and seemed really switched off at times. Gave away a few really silly frees, spoiled his own teammates, wasn't paying attention when someone kicked to him, got caught holding the ball.
I dunno - I love Fred, but he's really not himself right now. Would like to give him the week off, bring in Massie to cover him, or else Maric, with Tippet as a full time forward and Steveo as a full time backman.

[Campbell's Chunky]

:D If nothing else, you're great for a laugh. :thumbsu:

Quicker than Danger over 5 metres? Wow, sign him up for the Olympic team right now. Oh wait, that's not over 5 metres is it. 5 metres, got to be the most worthless thing ever recorded. All I know is that he's been run down by Fletcher and McManus.

As for Mackay, he's probably my favourite youngster on our list and I rate him VERY highly, but he's not overly quick, or zippy, or whatever the heck you want to define it as. "Prefers to settle and use his skills rather than rely on the afterburners"? Okay, but when he chases after his opponent he struggles to keep up. What do you put that down to?
I actually heard Kenny McGregor was quickest over 12cm at the club.

[Dandy_GO]

He absolutely is, possibly quicker in fact. I suggest you have a good look at the stats Messiah provided. Douglas is faster than even Dangerfield over 5m, and is certainly faster than Burgoyne over both 5m and 10m. You are only seeing what you want to see, and are taking cases of Douglas choosing to try and evade or search for options rather than use the afterburners and assume he hasn't got any pace. Absurd.

David Mackay is also zippy but prefers to settle and use his skills rather than rely on the afterburners. He has shown instances of significant acceleration from his opponents, enough to create a gap and reduce the pressure on his disposal.

I've worked it out!
I've worked out who you remind me of.
Carlton supporters! Absolutely obsessed with the young players of their side, regardless of how the side is actually doing. Would rather get pick 1 than win a game all season. Are you originally from Carlton?

[Drummond]

I actually heard Kenny McGregor was quickest over 12cm at the club.
:D :thumbsu:

[Jars458]

, over you and the other anonymous posters on an Internet Messageboard.

Like yourself or is this your real name?

This is a place for discussion, no shit Drummond doesn't coach an AFL side. Bloody stupid logic, if you ask me.

[fightingdreamer88]

"Have a laugh" all you want but I'm absolutely correct and that is all there is to it. It's in black and white, clear as can be.