View Full Version : Time for Maric!
Drummond
21 Apr 2008, 13:47
We can't keep ignoring his form, surely.
22 possessions, 7 marks, 38 hit-outs for Port yesterday.
:thumbsu:
However I hear it might be wet in Melbourne on Saturday which could rule Maric out as we definitely won't go in with 3 talls in wet weather.
Are you sure they weren't his stats last week?
Because i'm pretty certain he got 38 hitouts then too ...
And agree that it would be nice to stretch a short Carlton side, make them play to us!
Drummond
21 Apr 2008, 13:51
Are you sure they weren't his stats last week?
Because i'm pretty certain he got 38 hitouts then too ...
And agree that it would be nice to stretch a short Carlton side, make them play to us!
17 possessions, 37 hit-outs, 2 goals last week. So he has 39 possessions, 75 hit-outs, 2 goals over the past two weeks.
If that doesn't get him a recall I'm really not sure will. He's done all that could be asked of him; he's tearing it up with the Magpies. It's not like we don't need another ruckman, we do, as it'll allow Tippett to play up forward. Yes Neil likes the flexibility of having just the 2 tall guys who can rotate through the ruck and up forward but honestly, how much would we miss of Jacky's 38 minutes?
jenny61_99
21 Apr 2008, 13:58
Impressive figures Drummond. But I think you answered your own question... if it's wet, he won't be called up. Think it's a wait and see situation eh?
RoosterLad
21 Apr 2008, 13:59
North were smashed in the ruck yesterday, I think Maric had 8 more hitouts than the entire North side! Next dry day he must play!!
pjcrows
21 Apr 2008, 14:00
Good call. Have Tippett as a permanent forward FFS.
Dandy_GO
21 Apr 2008, 14:06
He's demanding a spot, no doubt. With Knights, Campbell and Massie all a chance to return this week, I don't like his chances, unfortunately. Whilst I would have him in my first 22 every week of the year, I don't see it happening this week unfortunately.
topjars
21 Apr 2008, 14:11
And agree that it would be nice to stretch a short Carlton side, make them play to us!
Are they that short:confused: Cloke,Fev,Setana,Kruezer,Fisher
I reckon they'll knock us off this week by a large margin.
Besides we must be due for Chamberlian to tear us a new one..Im sure he hasnt umpired against us yet:(
Any chance of Maric coming in, replacing a sadly out of form KMac? It's a swap of tall-for-tall. We could use Stevens in the lead-up CHF role. It would also allow us to station Tippett permanently in the forward line.
Where's the downside?
Are they that short:confused: Cloke,Fev,Setana,Kruezer,Fisher
I reckon they'll knock us off this week by a large margin.
Besides we must be due for Chamberlian to tear us a new one..Im sure he hasnt umpired against us yet:(
Fisher's a midget, and compared to us they are!
On a dry day I fail to see how their defence could man up on Burton, Goodwin, Tippet and McGregor!
IddyBiddy
21 Apr 2008, 14:21
Rain is expected on days either side also, which suggests we are def talking either rain on the day or at least a wet playing surface.
Rise_up_Stiffy
21 Apr 2008, 14:21
Play Maric for crying out loud! Get rid of Kenny Mac. Shirley's golden ticket should expire, bring in Dangerfield!! The game is in Melbourne he wont even have to travel! Jacky for Knights if he is ok. This is a danger game, who better to play in it than Dangerfield?
pinkcrows
21 Apr 2008, 14:40
Done his time in the SANFL should be in this week if its not raining :thumbsu:
Jars458
21 Apr 2008, 14:45
I think its pretty clear Craig isn't going to play three big men as he doesn't like the team balance. No reason why this would change this week.
Would not surprise me for Maric to be out of the team to half way through the season and he will come in for Griffin who will be tiring by then.
hey shorty
21 Apr 2008, 14:49
Fisher's a midget, and compared to us they are!
On a dry day I fail to see how their defence could man up on Burton, Goodwin, Tippet and McGregor!
Fisher plays very tall though so he could be classed in that bracket.
I have no doubt we'll be able to kick a decent score but Mr C Judd always tears us apart and with Fev in the form he is in he'll be very hard to stop.
As for the topic.... if its dry Maric has to come in but if not I think he'll sit out another week.
Allefgib
21 Apr 2008, 15:22
Maric in for Kenny.
At the moment we won't lose much for that change.
Tippet to play permanently forward as the stay at home target. Kenny has not been used as a lead up option anyway (or if he is... he wasn't leading!) Goody and Burton have been filling that need quite well.
Stiffy_18
21 Apr 2008, 15:45
Anyone have Sellar's stats?!
macca23
21 Apr 2008, 15:47
Anyone have Sellar's stats?!
I think it was 6 kicks 5 marks for 2 goals and a point or two.
Anyone have Sellar's stats?!
6 k 5 m 1 hb 2g 1 b 4 tackles
Extend the Dukes
21 Apr 2008, 16:04
Fisher's a midget, and compared to us they are!
On a dry day I fail to see how their defence could man up on Burton, Goodwin, Tippet and McGregor!
Fisher has got 1 of the best pair of hands in the comp. If Basset goes to him which I think he will-Look out!
Back on topic I was at the Port game yesterday and Maric carved up. His palm work was awesome, gave the little blokes first crack at the footy out of the middle.
Fisher has got 1 of the best pair of hands in the comp. If Basset goes to him which I think he will-Look out!
Didn't mean to infer that I didn't rate him as a player, just not as a tall.
And I for one would expect to see Massie or Johncock get him while Basset assists with the Fevlova.
jenny61_99
21 Apr 2008, 16:57
I think its pretty clear Craig isn't going to play three big men as he doesn't like the team balance. No reason why this would change this week.
Would not surprise me for Maric to be out of the team to half way through the season and he will come in for Griffin who will be tiring by then.
Which is EXACTLY how Craig played the pair last year. This wouldn't surprise me a bit.
crowsup
21 Apr 2008, 17:05
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Which is EXACTLY how Craig played the pair last year. This wouldn't surprise me a bit.
Except that last year NC had Hudson in as well.:D
Drummond
21 Apr 2008, 17:11
Which is EXACTLY how Craig played the pair last year. This wouldn't surprise me a bit.
Maric was INJURED up until about Round 4, and it took him about 7 weeks before having any impact in the SANFL. So no, it's not even close to being EXACTLY how Craig played the pair last year.
Maric was INJURED up until about Round 4, and it took him about 7 weeks before having any impact in the SANFL. So no, it's not even close to being EXACTLY how Craig played the pair last year.
Worse than that. He actually missed the first 6 games with injury before returning to SANFL duty.
TheLeftFist8
21 Apr 2008, 17:26
Selections have become intriguing, especially given the players to return over the next 3 weeks.
Options to come in this week are Maric, Dangerfield, Massie, Knights, Campbell.
Over the coming weeks we also have to factor in Moran, Reilly, Gill (fingers crossed).
Those in bold i rate in our best 22, with Massie on the cusp if all are fit.
Obvious outs over the next 3 weeks for mine are Shirley, Jacky, McGregor, with Danger very unlikely to be a permanent fixture this year.
Who else gets demoted may come down to injury or simply bad luck.
Huge selection week for Maric. If he doesn't come in, Moran may quickly overtake him again once fit. If McGregor survives i believe he has to the mid-year break at the longest to make an impact. This decision faces the selection panel every week...will this be the week that they try it given Maric' form?
Probably also Danger's last chance for a while to get a game, so maybe it's worth holding Massie or Knights back another week to give him a shot? Probably the best idea on reflection is giving Knights 2-3 quarters in the SANFL, thus giving Danger his chance.
Massie for Shirley
Dangerfield for Jacky
??? Maric for McGregor
jenny61_99
21 Apr 2008, 17:28
Maric was INJURED up until about Round 4, and it took him about 7 weeks before having any impact in the SANFL. So no, it's not even close to being EXACTLY how Craig played the pair last year.
I stand corrected.:o
I stand corrected.:o
You were also ignoring that we had Hudson as the first ruckman and Griffin, Meesen and Maric were rotating between the second ruck possie.
Now I think you'd find few are willing to argue with the assertion that Griffin is the number 1 ruckman.
crowsarethebest
21 Apr 2008, 17:36
I just don't get NC's thinking. If Tippet wasn't 200cm we'd have Maric in the side. Tippet MUST play a permanent forward role. We look so much more dangerous with him at FF. He crashes packs, and most of the times wins one on ones since he's so big and agile. He's quick as well. It's not like he's a dinosaur, old style power forward. He is the modern day, forward. Stick Tippet at FF for the whole game and let Maric come into the side. Maric is dominating at the moment, he can't do much more really.
Campbell's Chunky
21 Apr 2008, 17:38
Don't be surprised to see David Mackay dropped...IF, and only IF Chris Knights comes back.
Stiffy_18
21 Apr 2008, 17:43
I think it was 6 kicks 5 marks for 2 goals and a point or two.
6 k 5 m 1 hb 2g 1 b 4 tackles
Thanks champs!
I would like to see him get involved in the play a little bit more.
Chief Crow
21 Apr 2008, 17:46
6 k 5 m 1 hb 2g 1 b 4 tackles
Sellars performane
These 2 stats are very important to forwards. It shows when the deliverly comes his way, he is taking his chances. I was most impressed to see the 4 tackles laid by the big fella. That alone is more valuable then Kennys output at the present
Campbell's Chunky
21 Apr 2008, 17:46
Thanks champs!
I would like to see him get involved in the play a little bit more.
Yeh, one thing I've noticed, is he has a high mark to posession ratio.
IE; most of his possies come from marks.
I'd like to see him link up in the play a bit more.
He did play ruck for about half the game yesterday too.
Thanks champs!
I would like to see him get involved in the play a little bit more.
I don't like making excuses for him but if you look at the Glenelg forward line that played on Sunday it included Duldig, McConnel, Grima, Bode and Sellar.
That makes it pretty jam packed loaded with targets, most of whom train with the squad all the time instead of 90% of the time with the Crows.
This would understandably make life as a CHF a bit difficult for Jimmy.
Stiffy_18
21 Apr 2008, 17:55
I think it was 6 kicks 5 marks for 2 goals and a point or two.
6 k 5 m 1 hb 2g 1 b 4 tackles
Yeh, one thing I've noticed, is he has a high mark to posession ratio.
IE; most of his possies come from marks.
I'd like to see him link up in the play a bit more.
He did play ruck for about half the game yesterday too.
Which is probably even more detrimental. You would think that playing in the ruck and being around the ball a lot more than as a key forward would result in more touches!
Still hard to judge without actually seeing the game which I haven't. And you are right about the possesions to mark ratio. He appears to get a lot of his touches by marking the ball.
Campbell's Chunky
21 Apr 2008, 18:00
Which is probably even more detrimental. You would think that playing in the ruck and being around the ball a lot more than as a key forward would result in more touches!
Still hard to judge without actually seeing the game which I haven't. And you are right about the possesions to mark ratio. He appears to get a lot of his touches by marking the ball.
I would actually like to see him play out the rest of the season at CHB.
He needs to learn how to be an instinctive forward, like Taylor Walker is.
He needs to learn how to play forward, where to lead, when to lead, when to drop back in the goal square (he loves just calling for the ball long, and he's not a wonderful pack mark, and he gets killed 1 on 1 as he doesn't quite know how to use his body yet).
crowman_23
21 Apr 2008, 18:36
Maric must be rewarded, form like that cannot just be ignored. Tippett is meant to be our next big hope up forward so i see no reason why we should be putting him through the rigours of rucking when we have the blokes who can come in a let him be a permanent forward.
As has been discussed quite a bit, Kenny has been pretty ordinary so far. Craig always goes on about not gifting people games and what not, it's now time to prove it, Maric has the form, Kenny doesn't, make the swap.
Kenny has also been playing bits and pieces in the ruck too, I assume because Craig doesn't want to use to Tippett as much as most second ruckman, so it really seems straight forward to me.
SpringChoke
21 Apr 2008, 20:39
Does anyone know what Marics contract status is?
Does anyone know what Marics contract status is?
Contracted until end of 2009 it said somewhere earlier
SpringChoke
21 Apr 2008, 20:51
Contracted until end of 2009 it said somewhere earlier
Thanks. :thumbsu:
SpringChoke
21 Apr 2008, 21:27
As Carltons tall backman are average at best and they don't have monster tall backman, we can afford to drop McGregor and play Tippett as our main tall forward focal point. Bring Maric in to share the ruck duites with Griff. Surely, he must be rewarded after two outstanding games, especially when you consider we are getting nothing from McGregor.
OUT: Jacky, McGregor
IN: Maric, Knights
To be brutally honest he had no competition in the ruck yesterday as North's rucks are ordinary to say the least. He was rightfully the dominant bigman on the ground.
Nevertheless his disposal and clean hands impressed me. There is no reason why he should not be in the side for McGregor. He is equally as good off the ground and is reasonably quick for his size. The only thing that kenny might have over him is his endurance ability. But then again what is the point in running around the whole day and not getting a sniff.
Big future
21 Apr 2008, 23:03
I think it is time for Ivan to come in for Kenny. All three ruckman can play forward. Talls often do well at the MCG. The only thing we would lose here is experience.
Jacky and Shirl's out (it's great to have depth) and Knights, Massie in. Massie should not be underrated!
I would love to see Danger play. This may well be the only opportunity for a while. Where would we play him? Should we give MacKay a weeks break and give Danger a go? 4 points is 4 points and some experience for Danger!
Should we give him a few bursts in the forward line somewhere and perhaps a burst on the ball or on the wing?
I believe height and pace are two attributes needed for the MCG.
jenny61_99
21 Apr 2008, 23:13
You were also ignoring that we had Hudson as the first ruckman and Griffin, Meesen and Maric were rotating between the second ruck possie.
Now I think you'd find few are willing to argue with the assertion that Griffin is the number 1 ruckman.
No I wasn't ignoring it.... Huddo was coming in after a knee reconstruction - there was always some doubt as to whether he'd go the distance. Griffin got a fair amount of work in the first 13 games and then when his body tired they brought in Maric (apparently after recovering from injury). Griff wasn't injured but they ran with Maric for six games then brought Griffin back in for the final home and away game and elimination final. Meesen was gifted two games late in the season to see if we wanted to keep him or not.
I remember being surprised that they dropped Griffin at the time because he'd done reasonably well as back up to Huddo I thought. There was no other reason why he wasn't being played other than wanting to have a look at Maric and Meesen. They looked but ultimately chose to go with Griffin in the crunch games.
This is probably why they have gone with Griff as #1 ruckman this year as they clearly have a lot of faith in him.