Poor Interstate Record of Late

[Drummond]

2008 Round 4 vs Hawthorn- Loss
2008 Round 1 vs Western Bulldogs- Loss
2007 Elimination Final v Hawthorn- Loss
2007 Round 22 vs Collingwood- Win
2007 Round 19 vs Geelong- Loss
2007 Round 17 vs Essendon- Loss
2007 Round 15 vs St. Kilda- Loss

It’s interesting because the general consensus is that we’re a successful team on the road however as shown above, we have only managed 1 win in our last 7 interstate games. How much do we read into it? Let's hope we can reverse the trend with a win on the weekend.

[Campbell's Chunky]

Conversely, we have won quite a few on the trot at AAMI stadium.

[James_37]

2008 Round 4 vs Hawthorn- Loss
2008 Round 1 vs Western Bulldogs- Loss
2007 Elimination Final v Hawthorn- Loss
2007 Round 22 vs Collingwood- Win
2007 Round 19 vs Geelong- Loss
2007 Round 17 vs Essendon- Loss
2007 Round 15 vs St. Kilda- Loss

It’s interesting because the general consensus is that we’re a successful team on the road however as shown above, we have only managed 1 win in our last 7 interstate games. How much do we read into it? Let's hope we can reverse the trend with a win on the weekend.

Yes and no, you look at the quality of those teams there, we have Hawthorn twice, who are a top class out fit with the best forward in the game, the Bulldogs are yet to lose a match this year and it took some individual Brilliance from a 300 gamer to win it, Geelong, well, need I say more, Essendon we have never beaten in Victoria, + there was the Sheedy retirement factor and the Saints, well that was one we probably should have one. Collingwood, the team we beat were less than a goal from knocking off Geelong in the prelim.

If we start losing to some crappy sides, then yes I'd say we have a problem, but really, there are some quality teams there. Keep an eye on it, maybe, but I'd think we might have a few interstate wins soon enough to even that up.

[deaneus]

2008 Round 4 vs Hawthorn- Loss
2008 Round 1 vs Western Bulldogs- Loss
2007 Elimination Final v Hawthorn- Loss
2007 Round 22 vs Collingwood- Win
2007 Round 19 vs Geelong- Loss
2007 Round 17 vs Essendon- Loss
2007 Round 15 vs St. Kilda- Loss

It’s interesting because the general consensus is that we’re a successful team on the road however as shown above, we have only managed 1 win in our last 7 interstate games. How much do we read into it? Let's hope we can reverse the trend with a win on the weekend.

Four games from the end of last year when we were terrible, one game from this year that was decided by 6 points, another after a sapping win? Not convinced.

How about some stats for 2005 to round 15 2007?

[Southerntakeover]

Not a huge sample size. I dont think theres been a pattern of failure on the road. It looks worse because of the period late last year where we were missing Rutten, yet managed to draw every team with a power forward. Over the whole of last season, we were fairly good on the road.

[Drummond]

Not a huge sample size. I dont think theres been a pattern of failure on the road. It looks worse because of the period late last year where we were missing Rutten, yet managed to draw every team with a power forward. Over the whole of last season, we were fairly good on the road.
That’s why I said of LATE. ;)

Of course we're a side that travels pretty well but all I’m saying is that we’ve lost 6 of our last 7 on the road and I hope the trend doesn’t continue.

[Southerntakeover]

That’s why I said of LATE. ;)

Of course we're a side that travels pretty well but all I’m saying is that we’ve lost 6 of our last 7 on the road and I hope the trend doesn’t continue.

Yeah, but there were extinuating circumstances for a few of em. Three we lost by under a goal.... excluding the bulldogs one which we should have won (missed shot on the siren), and the Hawks final which has been done to death...

2008 Round 4 vs Hawthorn- Loss - No real shame in this loss... they'll beat most teams this year, especially in tassie.
2007 Round 19 vs Geelong- Loss - Whos beating them at skilled lately?
2007 Round 17 vs Essendon- Loss - Trucks injury hurt us bad. Lloyd kicks 6 or so in his absence.
2007 Round 15 vs St. Kilda- Loss - Injuries cost us this match. We were ravaged, and lost by under a goal.


I dont think its something that needs to be worried about at the moment. Im more than confident we'll win this week. :)

[IddyBiddy]

Didn't think I'd seen a win in a while. We also lost to Melbourne at the G last year, which was a particularly horrible walk of shame out of the ground as the Demon supporters were anything but gracious in their victory.

[crows98]

2008 Round 4 vs Hawthorn- Loss
2008 Round 1 vs Western Bulldogs- Loss
2007 Elimination Final v Hawthorn- Loss
2007 Round 22 vs Collingwood- Win
2007 Round 19 vs Geelong- Loss
2007 Round 17 vs Essendon- Loss
2007 Round 15 vs St. Kilda- Loss

It’s interesting because the general consensus is that we’re a successful team on the road however as shown above, we have only managed 1 win in our last 7 interstate games. How much do we read into it? Let's hope we can reverse the trend with a win on the weekend.

Nothing should be read into it other than we are not a young side however I just get the feeling this is simply another bias attempt from you to post a negative thread. Why didn’t you include the first 15 round when we won a few games? Didn’t like those stats, so lets not sue them?

What about

Round 12 Vs the Kangaroos – won by 46 points
Round 11 vs. Melbourne – loss by 17
Round 10 vs. Carlton – won by 19
Round 7 vs. Brisbane – won by 31
Round 5 vs. Fremantle – loss by 1 point
Round 3 vs. Port Adelaide – won by 24 points *
Round 2 vs. Western Bulldogs – won by 38 points.


What about the first 15 round when we won 4 out of 6 away games Drummond? They automatically don’t count or you have ignored those because they don’t add weight to your negative argument. I appreciate you said ‘of late’ but you included last years results so to be fair you also had to include the first 15 positive winning rounds. You bias ____.

However since we now have a relatively young side, our away form is going to be up and down. So taking that into consideration the last 14 away games have resulted in 6 victories* (one was against Port Adelaide) and that equates to a 42.8% record. I don’t believe that is too bad.

Put all the fact into perspective before taking easy pot shots at Neil Craig or the AFC.

[Drummond]

Nothing should be read into it other than we are not a young side however I just get the feeling this is simply another bias attempt from you to post a negative thread. Why didn’t you include the first 15 round when we won a few games? Didn’t like those stats, so lets not sue them?

What about

Round 12 Vs the Kangaroos – won by 46 points
Round 11 vs. Melbourne – loss by 17
Round 10 vs. Carlton – won by 19
Round 7 vs. Brisbane – won by 31
Round 5 vs. Fremantle – loss by 1 point
Round 3 vs. Port Adelaide – won by 24 points *
Round 2 vs. Western Bulldogs – won by 38 points.


What about the first 15 round when we won 4 out of 6 away games Drummond? They automatically don’t count or you have ignored those because they don’t add weight to your negative argument. I appreciate you said ‘of late’ but you included last years results so to be fair you also had to include the first 15 positive winning rounds. You bias ____.

However since we now have a relatively young side, our away form is going to be up and down. So taking that into consideration the last 14 away games have resulted in 6 victories* (one was against Port Adelaide) and that equates to a 42.8% record. I don’t believe that is too bad.

Put all the fact into perspective before taking easy pot shots at Neil Craig or the AFC.
Fair enough post but you lose any credability when you count Port Adelaide as an away win. Did I fail to make the 'interstate' part of my post clear?

[topjars]

It looks worse because of the period late last year where we were missing Rutten, yet managed to draw every team with a power forward.

Here comes another power forward and having Rutten wont help.
I hope Im wrong, but I suspect we will go down via FEV this week.

[Southerntakeover]

Here comes another power forward and having Rutten wont help.
I hope Im wrong, but I suspect we will go down via FEV this week.

I suspect Rutten will own him again, as he has every time since 04.

[Southerntakeover]

Fair enough post but you lose any credability when you count Port Adelaide as an away win. Did I fail to make the 'interstate' part of my post clear?

So that one example invalidates the rest of it? Come on champ, be serious here.

[Fergus]

For all of those bagging Drummond, I bet you'd be quick to use this stat if it was Port Adelaide that had lost 6 of their last 7 on the road, regardless of who they played.

That's not to say that who we have played, who was in and out etc isn't relevant, but on the surface it doesn't look great.

I really believe we'll turn it around this week and make it two out of the last eight. Fevola's not the issue - blocking his space and defensive pressure on the ball carrier is, and generally we are a very good team at these.

[Southerntakeover]

For all of those bagging Drummond, I bet you'd be quick to use this stat if it was Port Adelaide that had lost 6 of their last 7 on the road, regardless of who they played.

That's not to say that who we have played, who was in and out etc isn't relevant, but on the surface it doesn't look great.

I really believe we'll turn it around this week and make it two out of the last eight. Fevola's not the issue - blocking his space and defensive pressure on the ball carrier is, and generally we are a very good team at these.

Whos bagging Drummond? Everyones addressed the issue.

[crows98]

Fair enough post but you lose any credability when you count Port Adelaide as an away win. Did I fail to make the 'interstate' part of my post clear?

You made the thread to highlight the fact we had lost 6 out of our last 7 interstate games, exclude that Port Adelaide and the record in my opinion still looks pretty good.

5 victories in our last 13 interstate games isn’t considered that bad. Like I said, we have a lot of young player in the side now and have to expect some inconsistency, especially on the road.

[marvin]

Whether it's 1/7 lately, or 5/13 on a longer scale, it's a reflection of the fact that we've shifted back from being a competition pace-setter to a competitive mid-table (or thereabouts) side.

[crows98]

For all of those bagging Drummond, I bet you'd be quick to use this stat if it was Port Adelaide that had lost 6 of their last 7 on the road, regardless of who they played.

That's not to say that who we have played, who was in and out etc isn't relevant, but on the surface it doesn't look great.

I really believe we'll turn it around this week and make it two out of the last eight. Fevola's not the issue - blocking his space and defensive pressure on the ball carrier is, and generally we are a very good team at these.

Who’s bagging Drummond? He made a statement suggesting that our interstate record is poor because we have lost 6 out of our last 7 interstate games; I simply said that it’s not as bad as he makes out if he was willing to include all the necessary stats for the predetermined period of time he was looking at.

5 out of 13 victories would be top 4 of travelling side in the competition.

[raikkonen]

We thrashed Collingwood in Dubai...but I guess that isnt interstate....;)

*well aware it was NAB Cup also*

[Fergus]

Who’s bagging Drummond?
You

Originally Posted by crows98
this is simply another bias attempt from you to post a negative thread. Why didn’t you include the first 15 round when we won a few games? Didn’t like those stats, so lets not sue them?

That's bagging his attempt at a legitimate thread.

[lincsPJ]

“Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that.”

[crows98]

You

Originally Posted by crows98
this is simply another bias attempt from you to post a negative thread. Why didn’t you include the first 15 round when we won a few games? Didn’t like those stats, so lets not sue them?

That's bagging his attempt at a legitimate thread.

You’re kidding me? If this was a legitimate thread why didn’t he feel the need to include the first 15 round?

Nothing legitimate about this thread at all.

[IddyBiddy]

You’re kidding me? If this was a legitimate thread why didn’t he feel the need to include the first 15 round?

Nothing legitimate about this thread at all.

Probably because the thread would lose relevance. We have lost 6 of the last seven, that's not to say historically we are a poor road side, but i think it is worth exploring the issue. To ignore completely the poor run of late would be aiken to saying the PAP's have a 50% showdown record overall which is good...this completely ignores an emerging trend, in this case that AFC owns Port, or that AFC have an average record over the last 7 games interstate it has played.

[Southerntakeover]

You

Originally Posted by crows98
this is simply another bias attempt from you to post a negative thread. Why didn’t you include the first 15 round when we won a few games? Didn’t like those stats, so lets not sue them?

That's bagging his attempt at a legitimate thread.

Jeez, have a sook.

For the record, if a person disagrees with an analysis, the credibility of the person who created it is clearly relevant.

[Mr_Smooth]

i think i know the reason

ICDM has never attended a winning interstate game (if he's not going this week, we're a shoe in!!)

[Southerntakeover]

i think i know the reason

ICDM has never attended a winning interstate game (if he's not going this week, we're a shoe in!!)

Unfortunately i also have this jinx.

Combined we account for the Hawthorn final, the Western Bulldogs, and St. Kilda. Jinx solved.

[Campbell's Chunky]

Unfortunately i also have this jinx.

Combined we account for the Hawthorn final, the Western Bulldogs, and St. Kilda. Jinx solved.
I have a 100% win record and am heading across :).

[Pride of SA]

meaningless.

1) By the stage of 2007 where the stats become convenient for you to use, the AFC was just about on its knees injury wise. By this stage we didnt have a good win/loss record home OR away.

2) the side of 2007 is such a fair bit different to this years with retirements/delistings and new players that its irrelevant.

After all, stats showed we had an abysmal record against West Coast. Until the new young kids in the side who had no fear of WCE flogged them.

Stats also seem to show you have a lousy postive/negative post ratio.
It’s interesting because the general consensus is you are a dedicated supporter, yet have only managed 1 positive thread in god knows how many negative ones.
How much do we read into it? Let's hope we can reverse the trend with some positive words on the weekend .

[kirky]

2008 Round 4 vs Hawthorn- Losswell beaten
2008 Round 1 vs Western Bulldogs- Loss lost by 3 points
2007 Elimination Final v Hawthorn- Losslost by 3 points
2007 Round 22 vs Collingwood- Win
2007 Round 19 vs Geelong- Losslost by 33 points by who didn't lose to this side late last year
2007 Round 17 vs Essendon- Losslost by 2 kicks
2007 Round 15 vs St. Kilda- Losslost by 2 points

It’s interesting because the general consensus is that we’re a successful team on the road however as shown above, we have only managed 1 win in our last 7 interstate games. How much do we read into it? Let's hope we can reverse the trend with a win on the weekend.

3 of those losses were under a kick and another was after Sheedy announced his was finishing coaching that year. Its not that bad and interesting that 3 of those losses were at Telstra Dome when the roof was open. Have we won a game when the roof is open?

[lincsPJ]

Have we won a game when the roof is open?

carlton.. even jericho was kicking goals that day.. and we wore the red guernsey. what a strange afternoon.

[PCORF]

Its much harder to play on the road because most of the crowd is behind the other team. This makes it difficult for us. In most of those games we've had leads but faltered under the pressure because when the home team makes a run their crowd gets into it and we usually panic and lose the game. There's no way we're beating Carlton this weekend because of those reasons so I have to tip the Blues, they've won 2 straight games and even have played well in their losses and because I'm worried we will wear one of our away uniforms when the home uniform with white shorts dosen't clash. I'm still pretty confident in the games after we will fight to a Finals berth yet again (?).

2008 Round 6 vs Carlton - ?
2008 Round 4 vs Hawthorn- Loss -44
2008 Round 1 vs Western Bulldogs- Loss -3 TD R
2007 Elimination Final v Hawthorn- Loss -3 TD
2007 Round 22 vs Collingwood- Win 15 TD
2007 Round 19 vs Geelong- Loss -33
2007 Round 17 vs Essendon- Loss -12 TD
2007 Round 15 vs St. Kilda- Loss -2 TD

[PCORF]

3 of those losses were under a kick and another was after Sheedy announced his was finishing coaching that year. Its not that bad and interesting that 3 of those losses were at Telstra Dome when the roof was open. Have we won a game when the roof is open?

Yes we've won two and a quarter games when the roof was open. Against St Kilda in 2000 and against Carlton last year. I think we've lost the other 5 or 6, most of them frustrating 3 point defeats.

Also beat Collingwood by a goal in R2 2005, game started with the roof open but they closed the roof in the 1st quarter due to rain.

[Jars458]

Big test for us this week and no doubt our awy form of late has been poor regardless of what the reasons are. I think 6 of the last 7 is fair sample to include "of Late".

Having said that I dont think we have an intrinsic problem and should turn it around soon. Worthy debating point however.

Too many people with axes to grind on this board (I know I have my own little tiffs but not in every thread:))