TOTD: Would you make any changes????

[Sparno17]

Was stuffing around and decided to have another look at our team of the decade.

Would you make any changes to the team to make it more representative of our greatest team ever up until this point in time?

The team as it stands now.

F: Darren Jarman - Tony Modra - Matthew Liptak
HF: Kane Johnson - Matthew Robran - Andrew McLeod
C: Greg Anderson - Andrew Jarman - Simon Tregenza
HB: Nigel Smart - Peter Caven - Mark Ricciuto
B: Ben Hart - Rod Jameson - Mark Bickley
Foll: Shaun Rehn - Chris McDermott (capt.) - Tony McGuinness
Int: Mark Mickan - Simon Goodwin - David Pittman - Rodney Maynard


Worth a look would be Burton, Edwards and maybe Rutten, but still early in his career.
Does Goody get an upgrade to an onfield role???
Who would be the ones to be replaced???
Who do you anticipate will make this side come the end of there careers??

The more i think about it, the more i think how lucky we have been to have the calibre of players such as those listed to wear our jumper.

[Blue Red and Gold]

I'd take the captaincy off Bones and give it to Roo or Bickley.

[crows98]

Would make the 2 changes.

F: Darren Jarman - Tony Modra - Matthew Liptak
HF: Tyson Edwards - Matthew Robran - Andrew McLeod
C: Greg Anderson - Andrew Jarman - Simon Goodwin
HB: Nigel Smart - Peter Caven - Mark Ricciuto
B: Ben Hart - Rod Jameson - Mark Bickley
Foll: Shaun Rehn - Chris McDermott (capt.) - Tony McGuinness
Int: Mark Mickan - Ben Rutten - David Pittman - Rodney Maynard


In – Edwards and Rutten

Out – Johnson and Tregenza

Simon Goodwin onto the right wing instead of Simon Tregenza
Tyson Edwards onto the half forward flank instead of Kane Johnson
Ben Rutten onto the interchange bench to replace Simon Goodwin (wing)

[Crowboy#32]

Roo has to be captain

[James23]

Rutten - the only AA FB we've had, warrants selection on the field

Edwards - enormously underrated, needs atleast a bench spot

Ricciuto - captain

[Sparno17]

After a bit more deliberation id make roo captain and swap him onto the half forward flank and put macca on the HBF. Edwards to half forward as someone else suggested. Rutten to full back

Overall:
Out Johnson and Maynard.
In edwards and rutten
Tregenza and jameson to the bench

Anyone think thompson would be the sort of player that could make this team by careers end? I really think that once goodwin, macca and co retire there could be a brownlow in him.

I think bock could possibly take the CHB possie away from caven come careers end as well. Hopefully finds himself an AA jumper at years end.

Thoughts?

[jo172]

I think it would now look like:

F: Darren Jarman - Tony Modra - Brett Burton
HF: Kane Johnson - Matthew Robran - Andrew McLeod
C: Simon Goodwin - Andrew Jarman - Tyson Edwards
HB: Nigel Smart - Peter Caven - Mark Ricciuto (c)
B: Ben Hart - Ben Rutten - Mark Bickley
Foll: Shaun Rehn - Chris McDermott - Tony McGuinness
Int: Mark Mickan - Greg Anderson - Nathan Basset - Mathew Liptak

Out: David Pittman, Rod Jameson, Rodney Maynard and Simon Tregenza
In: Ben Rutten, Nathan Basset, Tyson Edwards and Brett Burton

[Sparno17]

I think it would now look like:

F: Darren Jarman - Tony Modra - Brett Burton
HF: Kane Johnson - Matthew Robran - Andrew McLeod
C: Simon Goodwin - Andrew Jarman - Tyson Edwards
HB: Nigel Smart - Peter Caven - Mark Ricciuto (c)
B: Ben Hart - Ben Rutten - Mark Bickley
Foll: Shaun Rehn - Chris McDermott - Tony McGuinness
Int: Mark Mickan - Greg Anderson - Nathan Basset - Mathew Liptak

Out: David Pittman, Rod Jameson, Rodney Maynard and Simon Tregenza
In: Ben Rutten, Nathan Basset, Tyson Edwards and Brett Burton

Interesting choice for basset over jameson. Would not the case be in my books but care to explain your reasoning?

Agree with Mickan being the secon ruckman. Should of got rid of pittman myself.

Still not sure on johnson. Still got a grudge i think :p

[jo172]

Interesting choice for basset over jameson. Would not the case be in my books but care to explain your reasoning

With Rutten in the team I don't think you need Jamison, and granted due to my age I never saw Jamison's early years, but I think if you compare the achievments of the two Basset's are clearly superior. Just a bitch trying to fit Basset, Smart and Hart all into the same defence!

Agree with Mickan being the secon ruckman. Should of got rid of pittman myself.

Definitely, you get the feeling if not for 97/98 he would not have made the team. Decent, serviceable and good player, definitley in our top 3 ruckmen, but I don't think in our top 22 players of all time.

Still not sure on johnson. Still got a grudge i think :p

Would be very surprised if none of Porplyzia, Reilly, Thompson, Vince, Dangerfield, Van Berlo or Knights doesn't push him out by the end of their careers.

[Punchy Bassett]

Getting rid of Pittman? :eek: You can't be serious.

[Sparno17]

Getting rid of Pittman? :eek: You can't be serious.

Surley there can be only space for two ruckman in the side.

Mickan was an all australian. Pittman wasnt. However the argument for him is that pittman's best football was played at the crows whereas mickans wasnt necessarily. Then again if we are going to use the former logic to choose mickan, you would almost have to include carey :rolleyes:

[Vader]

Surley there can be only space for two ruckman in the side.

Mickan was an all australian. Pittman wasnt. However the argument for him is that pittman's best football was played at the crows whereas mickans wasnt necessarily. Then again if we are going to use the former logic to choose mickan, you would almost have to include carey :rolleyes:

He did win our Club Champion award in 1991. That's considerably more than either Pittman or Carey achieved. Then again, Pittman was a premiership player.

[Ozzie]

Getting rid of Pittman? :eek: You can't be serious.

You are right....some on this board have NO EYE DEER.

[Sparno17]

He did win our Club Champion award in 1991. That's considerably more than either Pittman or Carey achieved. Then again, Pittman was a premiership player.

So was Aaron Keating
Im going with Mickan

[BunjiMac]

without a shadow of a doubt Roo should be captain. This may be controversial but I would actually have Bones on the bench, McLeod in the middle where he played his best football. Goodwin starting in place of Anderson, and Tregenza out replace by Burton.

[Kennyrocks]

I would change the following:
- Ricciuto to Captain.
- McLeod as follower for Bone and Goodwin into the middle as a straight swap for Trigger. I dont care where Bone goes, perhaps off somewhere to write some tripe for that excuse for a newspaper.
- By the end of his career Rutten would push out Jammo from FB, maybe Bicks goes to the wing.
- Edwards would have to get a gig surely, probably for Tregenza.
- No love for Barrie Stanfield from anyone?

[Coopers]

What decade are you talking about?

if you're talking 1997-2007, then a bunch of blokes can't really qualify for it...

Matthew Liptak
Greg Anderson
Simon Tregenza
Rod Jameson
Chris McDermott
Tony McGuinness
Mark Mickan
Rodney Maynard

Most of those blokes either played 0 games after 1997... or perhaps 1 or 2 seasons.
So is this team of the decade... or all time #1 team?

[Kennyrocks]

What decade are you talking about?

if you're talking 1997-2007, then a bunch of blokes can't really qualify for it...

Matthew Liptak
Greg Anderson
Simon Tregenza
Rod Jameson
Chris McDermott
Tony McGuinness
Mark Mickan
Rodney Maynard

Most of those blokes either played 0 games after 1997... or perhaps 1 or 2 seasons.
So is this team of the decade... or all time #1 team?
Pretty sure it means how the all time best crows team would differ from the previously picked team of the decade if you picked it now.

[Sparno17]

Pretty sure it means how the all time best crows team would differ from the previously picked team of the decade if you picked it now.

Yeah thats what i was getting at

[jo172]

I've been thinking about this more and I'm wondering how much longer Caven can justify a place in the team, granted he played 2 outstanding seasons where we won premierships but compared to the years of service given by Rutten, Hart, Smart and Basset does he still get a spot in the 22 let alone the 18?

[crows dude]

Pittman is definately second ruckman

Mickan played 2 and a half years. Pitmann was second ruckman to Rehn for about six years.

There is no comparison

Plus Mickan was All Australian with Brisbane and not the Crows.

[Armesy]

I hae a few changes i think would make the side look alot better.

F: Darren Jarman - Tony Modra - Matthew Liptak
HF: Kane Johnson - Matthew Robran - Andrew McLeod
C: Greg Anderson - Andrew Jarman - Simon Tregenza
HB: Nigel Smart - Peter Caven - Mark Ricciuto
B: Ben Hart - Rod Jameson - Mark Bickley
Foll: Shaun Rehn - Chris McDermott (capt.) - Tony McGuinness
Int: Mark Mickan - Simon Goodwin - David Pittman - Rodney Maynard

First change would be swap around A Jarman to a forward flank so the brothers can work some magic, put Rucciuto in the Middle, FFS he did win a brownlow in there, and bring McLeod to a half back flank where he won 2 norm smiths. Also make Ruccuito Captain, i think he has earned it.

Second change would be to take Johnson out of the team. His career statrted at the same time as Goodwins and Edwards and they have provided much better service and in my opinion have turned out to be much better players. Put Goodwin to the flank and Edwards goes onto the Wing with Greg Anderson sitting on the bench.

Third change would be to take Tregenza off the wing and onto the bench. Then move Bickley up to the wing, put Basset into the back pocket and Rodney Maynard coes out of the team. Reasoning is that Basset has been AA in the back pocket and id rather have him playing on a forward than Bickley. But i believe Bickley is a much better player than Tregenza.

Would also take Jameson out and put Rutten in. May be a bit premature ni some peoples eyes but in a few years nooone will doubt it. He is AA and is by far a better full back than Jameson ever was.

As a last change i would also have to take David Pitmann out, i think he is a great player and servant to the AFC but i dont see any need for a team to play more then 2 ruckmen and Mickan gets the nod for me as a club champion. I am a little unsure about this position who should go into the team, i think in a few years Brett Burton might be the certain choice and at the moment probably deserves it aswell.

So now my team would look like this...

F: Darren Jarman - Tony Modra - Matthew Liptak
HF: Simon Goodwin - Matthew Robran - Andrew Jarman
C: Tyson Edwards - Mark Ruccuito (capt)- Mark Bickley
HB: Nigel Smart - Peter Caven - Andrew Mcleod
B: Ben Hart - Ben Rutten - Nathan Basset
Foll: Shaun Rehn - Chris McDermott (vc) - Tony McGuinness
Int: Mark Mickan - Greg Anderson - Brett Burton - Simon Tregenza

Lets hear your thoughts.

[jo172]

Blokes who should be in danger in the next 10 years at the very least:

Liptak, Johnson, A. Jarman, Robran, Anderson, Tregenza, Caven, Jamison, Pittman, Mickan and Maynard.

All were great servants of the club but ideally this side should be filled with out and out chmpions of the club such as Roo, Smart, Hart etc.

[Ozzie]

Blokes who should be in danger in the next 10 years at the very least:

Liptak, Johnson, A. Jarman, Robran, Anderson, Tregenza, Caven, Jamison, Pittman, Mickan and Maynard.

All were great servants of the club but ideally this side should be filled with out and out chmpions of the club such as Roo, Smart, Hart etc.

In your mind most of these blokes weren't out and out champions. Is this what you are implying? If so, you are truly delusional.

You already have those 3 in your team. I suppose you want to try and play the old versus the new game. Also players like Greg Anderson had already had a great career before he came to the Crows. Pittman deserves to be in the side over Mickan. He could go back and play CHB and SUCCEED at it. Mickan was purely a ruckman, Matty Robran was the #2 CHF in the entire league only behind Carey for most of his career. Jars, not a champion, I give up!

I realise some of the board are young but it is posts like this that make me very irate. These players are to be written off because all the rage is for Rutten and Bock. Neither have done S**T to date. AA full back in one year does not mean he is a champion.

[relapse]

I think it would now look like:

F: Darren Jarman - Tony Modra - Brett Burton
HF: Kane Johnson - Matthew Robran - Andrew McLeod
C: Simon Goodwin - Andrew Jarman - Tyson Edwards
HB: Nigel Smart - Peter Caven - Mark Ricciuto (c)
B: Ben Hart - Ben Rutten - Mark Bickley
Foll: Shaun Rehn - Chris McDermott - Tony McGuinness
Int: Mark Mickan - Greg Anderson - Nathan Basset - Mathew Liptak

Out: David Pittman, Rod Jameson, Rodney Maynard and Simon Tregenza
In: Ben Rutten, Nathan Basset, Tyson Edwards and Brett Burton

I would rate Pittman higher than Mickan, Mickan only played 3 seasons at Adelaide I dont believe that is long enough IMO to be in the side.

[jo172]

In your mind most of these blokes weren't out and out champions. Is this what you are implying? If so, you are truly delusional.

You already have those 3 in your team. I suppose you want to try and play the old versus the new game. Also players like Greg Anderson had already had a great career before he came to the Crows. Pittman deserves to be in the side over Mickan. He could go back and play CHB and SUCCEED at it. Mickan was purely a ruckman, Matty Robran was the #2 CHF in the entire league only behind Carey for most of his career. Jars, not a champion, I give up!

I realise some of the board are young but it is posts like this that make me very irate. These players are to be written off because all the rage is for Rutten and Bock. Neither have done S**T to date. AA full back in one year does not mean he is a champion.

And if you honestly think that in 10 years time if the achievments of some of those blokes aren't eclipsed by our new players you sir are delusional.

Robran, 2nd best in the competition:rolleyes: Stewart Lowe, David Neitz and Chris Grant say hi!

And I'm not trying to undermine the achievments of the aforementioned, but that does not give them a gold pass for perpetuity. Andrew Jarman only played for the Crows for 6 years FFS! Yes they were 6 quality years but how many years do others potentially have at the same or greater standard? Liptak, Robran and Trigger only played a couple more!

You sir, are just as delusional, claiming Rutten has not done shit:rolleyes:

[topjars]

Id would've love to have seen Scott Lee in the original side -Tough as teak and as cool as Johncock in the hurley burley of the backline.


Robran..pfft The amount of good games he played could be counted on one hand.

[pjcrows]

There's no way you could make any changes to Temple Of The Dog. How could you? Cornell, Vedder, Cameron, Gossard, McCready and Ament is the perfect...

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Ohhhhh... you meant Team Of The Decade? :p

[Ozzie]

And if you honestly think that in 10 years time if the achievments of some of those blokes aren't eclipsed by our new players you sir are delusional.

Robran, 2nd best in the competition:rolleyes: Stewart Lowe, David Neitz and Chris Grant say hi!

And I'm not trying to undermine the achievments of the aforementioned, but that does not give them a gold pass for perpetuity. Andrew Jarman only played for the Crows for 6 years FFS! Yes they were 6 quality years but how many years do others potentially have at the same or greater standard? Liptak, Robran and Trigger only played a couple more!

You sir, are just as delusional, claiming Rutten has not done shit:rolleyes:

Rolling eyes seems to be very popular with you young lads/girls these days. The decade should be 1991-2001 and then 2002-present. it is IMPOSSIBLE to compare generations.
To get to specifics, most of the above list were near the end of their careers when the Crows came along. They had already been successful over many years at the state level and finished their careers out with the Crows.
Matty Robran for awhile was the #2 CHF in the league after Carey, that is a fact. Quick, who has been our regular CHF before and after him? Liptak retired to practice medicine. Trigger was hampered by a knee injury which really cut his career short. I believe Edwards should be ahead of him on the wing.

Rutten is a good player who had one great year early. Think about this, he gets towelled up by the real class forwards as much as some on here hate to admit. He gets great help from those around him, along with a game plan which suits his talents.

Then you have to consider the way the game has evolved since 2001 and my point about comparisions being useless becomes valid.

FTR for those of you thinking I am an armchair critic I became a gold member in 1993 and attended every home game apart from 10 during those years. I had to give the tickets away this year due to ill health. I have witnessed first hand most of the elite footballers for the last 20 years. if you include the SANFL.

[Vader]

Matty Robran for awhile was the #2 CHF in the league after Carey, that is a fact. Quick, who has been our regular CHF before and after him?
With all due respect, Robran was NOT the #2 CHF in the league behind Carey. Not even close to it.

He WAS Adelaide's best CHF for that decade. I don't think anyone here is arguing otherwise. But that doesn't make him the 2nd best in the league.

If you want to know who was better than him during this period, then look no further than the list provided by jo172: Lowe, Neitz & Grant. All of these were superior to Robran, by quite some significant margin.

Now, if we're revising the team to make it the "best Crows line-up of all time", then Robran has to remain under consideration. The only Crows CHF to even compare would be Mark Stevens. If Stevens hadn't missed so many games through injury then I'd have him in the team in an instant - as it is, it's a 50-50 call and I wouldn't be unhappy with either result.

[Ozzie]

With all due respect, Robran was NOT the #2 CHF in the league behind Carey. Not even close to it.

He WAS Adelaide's best CHF for that decade. I don't think anyone here is arguing otherwise. But that doesn't make him the 2nd best in the league.

If you want to know who was better than him during this period, then look no further than the list provided by jo172: Lowe, Neitz & Grant. All of these were superior to Robran, by quite some significant margin.

Now, if we're revising the team to make it the "best Crows line-up of all time", then Robran has to remain under consideration. The only Crows CHF to even compare would be Mark Stevens. If Stevens hadn't missed so many games through injury then I'd have him in the team in an instant - as it is, it's a 50-50 call and I wouldn't be unhappy with either result.

I can't be bothered to go back and check the exact years (I am far too lazy) however, for a 2 year period Robran was playing at that level. I am not suggesting over the fullness of Robran's and the other 3 mentioned entire careers he was their superior but he was right up there with them. He played CHF in the manner the coaches wanted him to. His back gave out and he had to give it away. Robran's football brain was top class.

Stevens actually played mainly in the Forward Pocket Vader. Top footballer whose body just let him down. I enjoyed watching him play.

I really find these exercises rather pointless. Conditions change so much.

[birdmanptr]

The team as it stands now.

F: Darren Jarman - Tony Modra - Matthew Liptak
HF: Kane Johnson - Matthew Robran - Andrew McLeod
C: Greg Anderson - Andrew Jarman - Simon Tregenza
HB: Nigel Smart - Peter Caven - Mark Ricciuto
B: Ben Hart - Rod Jameson - Mark Bickley
Foll: Shaun Rehn - Chris McDermott (capt.) - Tony McGuinness
Int: Mark Mickan - Simon Goodwin - David Pittman - Rodney Maynard




Jamo out Rutten in
A.Jarman OUT OUT OUT any one of about 20 or so are better than him and the leader of that pack is Edwards in
Mickan out Bassett in
Roo Capatain by a clear mile [ or even a cloudy one]

The only sad part is to think since 1991 the best CHF we have produced is Robran :eek::eek::eek:


I will make a big statement Scott Hodges would have been in IF he played for a different sanfl club.;)

[writeoff]

The team as it stands now.

F: Darren Jarman - Tony Modra - Matthew Liptak
HF: Kane Johnson - Matthew Robran - Andrew McLeod
C: Greg Anderson - Andrew Jarman - Simon Tregenza
HB: Nigel Smart - Peter Caven - Mark Ricciuto
B: Ben Hart - Rod Jameson - Mark Bickley
Foll: Shaun Rehn - Chris McDermott (capt.) - Tony McGuinness
Int: Mark Mickan - Simon Goodwin - David Pittman - Rodney Maynard

My All-Time Best Crows Team:

F: Darren Jarman - Tony Modra - Matthew Liptak
HF: Kane Johnson - Matthew Robran - Tyson Edwards
C: Tony McGuinness - Andrew Jarman - Mark Bickley
HB: Nigel Smart - Peter Caven - Andrew McLeod
B: Ben Hart - Ben Rutten - Nathan Bassett
Fol: Shaun Rehn - Mark Ricciuto (C) - Simon Goodwin

Int: Mark Mickan - Chris McDermott - Graham Johncock - Brett Burton

Out: David Pittman, Rodney Maynard, Greg Anderson, Simon Tregenza, Rod Jameson.
In: Tyson Edwards, Nathan Bassett, Ben Rutten, Graham Johncock, Brett Burton.

I realise that I have picked 7 players who are currently playing. Rutten & Johncock are still young and have years ahead of them but I believe them to be better players than other options in their positions.

I also believe that this team will be improved in time by a better 2nd ruck (Mickan), a better CHF (Robran), a better forward pocket (Liptak) & a better CHB (Caven). I feel these positions are still weak for an all-time greatest team (ie not the class of players in other positions).