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TRAVCLOKE#32
24 Apr 2008, 00:00
THE overwhelming catch-cry out of Saturday night's game in Brisbane was: "How good is Buddy Franklin? He kicked eight goals, but it could easily have been 10."

From my perspective, viewed as an outsider, it is not about how good is he, but how good he can be Lance Franklin still has plenty of upside left in him.
And that is a frightening prospect for 15 AFL coaches and their key backmen.
If there was a rating scale to measure output in percentage against your ability, Buddy is motoring along at just over 80 per cent, in my opinion.
He can be 10-20 per cent better.
Experience (which is coming rapidly) will teach him how to minimise those easy, give away, lost chances.
On Saturday night his eight goals, six behinds and one shot that registered nothing indicate that his statistical achievements can still climb at the very least.




He can take marks on the lead under pressure at full-tilt speed and above his head, out-stretching and out-bodying his opposition.
He even takes marks centimetres off the ground like a slips catch.

But the last two weeks have seen him grass three easy chest marks under minimal pressure inside 50m.
He has kicked 14 goals in the past two games when it should have been 18 to 20.
Buddy is a maverick. It is obvious that he is enjoying his football as much as people are enjoying watching him.
He is playing with the same enthusiasm as the most talented kid in the schoolyard.
Buddy is still experimenting. He is still learning his boundaries.

Most people find the boundaries to their abilities by the time they have played against every good opponent at least once.
The boom gate has not been lowered on Franklin's ability yet, such is the combination of his size, speed and agility.
Gary Ablett Sr is the only other footballer I have seen in that category.
Franklin could do well to learn from the likes of Jason Dunstall.

Even if Piggy bagged a haul of 10 goals, rather than bask in the glory, it would irk him knowing that he missed a shot for goal that was perhaps a 50-50 chance.
Dunstall would constantly scrutinise what he could improve on.
Franklin could also do better with what he knows.
He could at least hold on to the unbelievably easy chest marks he drops each week and he could reduce the number of routine shots at goal he misses.
Right now if you transferred Brendan Fevola's goalkicking ability into Franklin, that hybrid would kick between 40 and 50 goals after five matches. That is scary.
As a purist, I still want to see Buddy play like a Grade 6er among a group of Grade 3s.
It is the stuff that makes me smile and occasionally giggle.
He has discovered that he is stronger than most others and he has developed a fend-off "don't argue" action with an arm that is longer than his opponent's.
He has learnt that he runs quicker while turning in an arc back towards goal than his opposition. He continues to learn many things that are unconventional for all others.
Who can play on Buddy? It is becoming increasingly obvious that he has no natural predator.
No one matches his physical stature and mobility. Perhaps only Patrick Ryder - who is listed as 1cm taller than Franklin's 196cm - has the reach coupled with his dexterity.
But then Franklin has a more powerful frame, and for true agility and endurance he is also ahead.
It is interesting that when discussing the possibility of drafting Ryder a year after Franklin, Hawthorn had two choices before Essendon.

They chose Xavier Ellis and Beau Dowler. There was a belief that Franklin and Ryder were too similar in stature and demeanour to get the best out of them.

The club questioned whether they would duplicate the same role on field and whether they could affect each other's application off field.
We will never know, but we do know Franklin is turning the game on its head and Ryder is right on track to becoming a star in his own right.
Franklin is drawing people to the football again for the first time since Gary Ablett Sr.
People with no allegiance to Hawthorn are going along just to watch Buddy.
And so they should. Buddy is the player most likely to kick a 12-goal-plus tally that we haven't seen for some time.



http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23577937-19742,00.html

Arrian Stubbs
24 Apr 2008, 00:11
Hmmmmmm! A Collingwood supporter being polite, admiring and nice... I'm starting to feel suspicious!!! Maybe I shouldn't Generalise on Collingwood supporters!!! Then again, perhaps we can convert you traviscloke#32???

Arrian Stubbs
24 Apr 2008, 00:15
Patty Ryder is a joke! He is nothing like Buddy Franklin, if he could not even match up on Riewoldt, well lets just say good luck on Franklin!!! What has he done nothing besides take a speccy, just because he is around the same height and weight doesn't mean he is the next Franklin??? I am glad Ryder isn't on our list because:
1. I don't like his name
2. He isn't a natural goalkicker
3. I don't think he has a position yet
Plus if you were a Hawthorn fan you would of known Franklin put on 2cm and around 3-4kg, so the statistics are wrong!

anti.
24 Apr 2008, 00:16
Patty Ryder is a joke! He is nothing like Buddy Franklin, if he could not even man up on Riewoldt, he's done nothing besides take a speccy! I am glad Ryder isn't on our list because:
1. I don't like his name
2. He isn't a natural goalkicker
3. I don't think he has a position yet
Plus if you were a Hawthorn fan you would of known Franklin put on 2cm and around 3-4kg, so the statistics are wrong!

1. you're an idiot
2. you're an idiot
3. CHB

Arrian Stubbs
24 Apr 2008, 00:23
Thanks anti. for your positive feedback! I havn't checked the ladder recently do you where are West Coast on the ladder and where abouts are Hawthorn? Appreciated if you could tell me! Thankyou!

anti.
24 Apr 2008, 00:26
Thanks anti. for your positive feedback! I havn't checked the ladder recently do you where are West Coast on the ladder and where abouts are Hawthorn? Appreciated if you could tell me! Thankyou!

west coast are 15th and hawthorn are 2nd. how could you not know where your own team is on the ladder? what sort've supporter are you?

while i was searching for that information i came up with this picture, i think its some sort of team that won something of significance....
http://www.foxsports.com.au/common/imagedata/0,5001,5260896,00.jpg

i couldnt find a recent similar one with hawthorn...why is this so?

anti.
24 Apr 2008, 00:28
west coast are 15th and hawthorn are 2nd. how could you not know where your own team is on the ladder? what sort've supporter are you?

while i was searching for that information i came up with this picture, i think its some sort of team that won something of significance....
http://www.foxsports.com.au/common/imagedata/0,5001,5260896,00.jpg

i couldnt find a recent similar one with hawthorn...why is this so?

yeah but they're on drugs!!!!

just saving you the trouble of coming up with a really lame drugs related quip.

jazz
24 Apr 2008, 00:30
west coast are 15th and hawthorn are 2nd. how could you not know where your own team is on the ladder? what sort've supporter are you?

while i was searching for that information i came up with this picture, i think its some sort of team that won something of significance....
http://www.foxsports.com.au/common/imagedata/0,5001,5260896,00.jpg

i couldnt find a recent similar one with hawthorn...why is this so?

We've got a few in the cabinet :)

I'm sure of it - I've been to 4 myself and watched another 2.

Hawkk
24 Apr 2008, 00:32
1991 was special :)

Arrian Stubbs
24 Apr 2008, 00:35
Hawthorn looks at a long-term future rather than a short-term future which is what West Coast is!!! You have no midfielder, Quintin Lynch hasn't even kicked a goal and your teams reputation regarding use of illegal substances speaks for itself! So don't come here showing one premiership when I could show you pictures of every single one Hawthorn has won, once Daniel Kerr leaves your probably going to recruit Fraser Gehrig to play in your midfield because thats what the quality of your midfield is like!!! Please I don't want to argue, I just said Patty Ryder has done nothing and therefore cannot be compared to Buddy Franklin, once he does something good then maybe he can have a hint of the limelight, so far I've seen nothing!!!

Arrian Stubbs
24 Apr 2008, 00:37
"There was a belief that Franklin and Ryder were too similar in stature and demeanour to get the best out of them" = Rubbish
I feel bad for other teams, they are jealous of Franklin and have to compare Patrick Ryder to Franklin, that is disgraceful what happened to the likes of Scarlett who is clearly 10x what Patty Ryder will ever be!!! Trying to make us feel guilty for picking Dowler over Ryder can't wait till the nail goes on the coffin for this one guys!!!

anti.
24 Apr 2008, 00:46
Hawthorn looks at a long-term future rather than a short-term future which is what West Coast is!!! You have no midfielder, Quintin Lynch hasn't even kicked a goal and your teams reputation regarding use of illegal substances speaks for itself! So don't come here showing one premiership when I could show you pictures of every single one Hawthorn has won, once Daniel Kerr leaves your probably going to recruit Fraser Gehrig to play in your midfield because thats what the quality of your midfield is like!!! Please I don't want to argue, I just said Patty Ryder has done nothing and therefore cannot be compared to Buddy Franklin, once he does something good then maybe he can have a hint of the limelight, so far I've seen nothing!!!

even other hawthorn supporters can concede you're childish. nothing you post is made of any substance. "you have no midfielder", i mean seriously..."once Daniel Kerr leaves your probably going to recruit Fraser Gehrig". yes west coast's team was made to last short term, we were up there from 2002-2007. i'd say thats a pretty fair cycle for a team.

even i'm embarrassed for you.

Arrian Stubbs
24 Apr 2008, 08:39
Whatever no one cares what you have to say.

hawk65
24 Apr 2008, 09:33
Hmmmmmm! A Collingwood supporter being polite, admiring and nice... I'm starting to feel suspicious!!! Maybe I shouldn't Generalise on Collingwood supporters!!! Then again, perhaps we can convert you traviscloke#32???

The article was actually written by Dermott Brereton. Hence the link down the bottom

play2win
24 Apr 2008, 10:07
Hmmmmmm! A Collingwood supporter being polite, admiring and nice... I'm starting to feel suspicious!!! Maybe I shouldn't Generalise on Collingwood supporters!!! Then again, perhaps we can convert you traviscloke#32???

Patty Ryder is a joke! He is nothing like Buddy Franklin, if he could not even match up on Riewoldt, well lets just say good luck on Franklin!!! What has he done nothing besides take a speccy, just because he is around the same height and weight doesn't mean he is the next Franklin??? I am glad Ryder isn't on our list because:
1. I don't like his name
2. He isn't a natural goalkicker
3. I don't think he has a position yet
Plus if you were a Hawthorn fan you would of known Franklin put on 2cm and around 3-4kg, so the statistics are wrong!

Thanks anti. for your positive feedback! I havn't checked the ladder recently do you where are West Coast on the ladder and where abouts are Hawthorn? Appreciated if you could tell me! Thankyou!

Hawthorn looks at a long-term future rather than a short-term future which is what West Coast is!!! You have no midfielder, Quintin Lynch hasn't even kicked a goal and your teams reputation regarding use of illegal substances speaks for itself! So don't come here showing one premiership when I could show you pictures of every single one Hawthorn has won, once Daniel Kerr leaves your probably going to recruit Fraser Gehrig to play in your midfield because thats what the quality of your midfield is like!!! Please I don't want to argue, I just said Patty Ryder has done nothing and therefore cannot be compared to Buddy Franklin, once he does something good then maybe he can have a hint of the limelight, so far I've seen nothing!!!

"There was a belief that Franklin and Ryder were too similar in stature and demeanour to get the best out of them" = Rubbish
I feel bad for other teams, they are jealous of Franklin and have to compare Patrick Ryder to Franklin, that is disgraceful what happened to the likes of Scarlett who is clearly 10x what Patty Ryder will ever be!!! Trying to make us feel guilty for picking Dowler over Ryder can't wait till the nail goes on the coffin for this one guys!!!

Whatever no one cares what you have to say.
i'll bet some are thinking this about you.

bay 13 is a better place to dish it up to opposition supporters. keep this up in the hawk board and you'll probably be put on ignore by many.

Consumed
24 Apr 2008, 12:13
I have found myself wondering a few times about what it would have been like if we had recruited Ryder. I remember I was quite keen for him leading up to that draft.

He has definitely come on this year. I would be very happy about having him over Dowler (no disrespect Beau...), even if it was for having a great on-the -rise CHB. No more "let's move Roughhead to the backline threads....."

Alan Alda
24 Apr 2008, 17:14
Patty Ryder is a joke! He is nothing like Buddy Franklin, if he could not even match up on Riewoldt, well lets just say good luck on Franklin!!! What has he done nothing besides take a speccy, just because he is around the same height and weight doesn't mean he is the next Franklin??? I am glad Ryder isn't on our list because:
1. I don't like his name
2. He isn't a natural goalkicker
3. I don't think he has a position yet
Plus if you were a Hawthorn fan you would of known Franklin put on 2cm and around 3-4kg, so the statistics are wrong!

Come on Arrian. You are being silly now. Patty Ryder is a sensational young player and we would love to have him at the hawks. I can tell you love the the hawks but that doesn't mean you have to talk down every non-hawthorn player in the competition. You are allowed to love football as well as hawthorn you know. Nobody is going to nail you to the cross for admitting that guys like Ryder are excellent to watch and good for the game.

Arrian Stubbs
24 Apr 2008, 18:06
Okay whatever guys, its probably the regrets picking Dowler over him!!! Thankyou Alan Alda I totally acknowledge you 100%, however GGallin should have a look at Alan Alda before posting because Alan Alda is top notch!!! Why did you have to quote everything when all people have to do is scroll up to read it LOL! Talking about Hostility to fello Hawkas!

Arrian Stubbs
24 Apr 2008, 18:14
i'll bet some are thinking this about you.

bay 13 is a better place to dish it up to opposition supporters. keep this up in the hawk board and you'll probably be put on ignore by many.
I'll bet some are thinking the same about you too!

Alan Alda
30 Apr 2008, 17:16
[quote=Arrian Stubbs;10788029]Thankyou Alan Alda I totally acknowledge you 100%, quote]

No worries mate.