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bigburger
27 Apr 2008, 05:16
The way he has lead his side so far this tournament has been extremely impressive. Its packed full of youngsters and lesser lights who he hand picked to be a part of the side. He leads by example and encouragement and the body language of these boys is second to none. Makes me wonder what he would have been like as captain of Australia if he was given the chance.
OzBomber
27 Apr 2008, 09:01
I wish he was at the Deccan Chargers. They have a bloody awesome team, but they're getting smashed. Laxman is not the greatest captain.
Makes me wonder what he would have been like as captain of Australia if he was given the chance.
I take it you mean the Test captain (nearly typed text captain :p), as he captained in ODIs.
retroparty
27 Apr 2008, 12:03
Yes his side have certainly suprised everyone so far. I thought they had no hope in this league and were going to come last.
On the other hand Deccan have been dissapointing. Andrew Symonds must be a very popular cricketer because nearly everyone in AUstralia seems to barrack for them...
Here is another swipe at Buchanan's methods.
http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/347667.html?CMP=OTC-RSS
dylan101
27 Apr 2008, 21:02
He would've been a fantastic captain if he got the chance to captain Australia no doubt. Did a very good job for the ten or so ODI's he captained. Won just about all of them. It is great how he shows confidence in his young players and backs them. Loved how he brought an offie on in the third over the other night and he knocked over Gilly. His cricket brain is just about second to none IMO.
Marklar_33
27 Apr 2008, 22:14
I reckon if Warney was Test captain we would have won a hell of a lot of Test matches over the past 7-10 years :thumbsu:
Royals all the way!
rocker_oz33
27 Apr 2008, 22:50
warney done very very well from what he's got to play with,meaning looking that the other side's what they have and what warne has,he's leading his young team from the front and with full of praise
warney done very very well from what he's got to play with,meaning looking that the other side's what they have and what warne has,he's leading his young team from the front and with full of praise
Warne has the worst list but is getting the best out of it.
As they said pre-competition, the Royals are the only team without icons of cricket in it.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
28 Apr 2008, 18:49
To be honest i think you lot are getting a bit carried away. Shane Watson has been very good and really, the article is painting Warne as the great captain that never was. Thing is, he has no-one to blame apart from himself, so instead of trying to impress Ian Chappell by trying to be one of the boys he should just stick to playing poker and cricket.
We have had 2 great captains in Waugh and Ponting, Warnie wins a couple of 20/20 games (one after his captainicy had conceeded 200 runs, great captainicy that) and people start acting like he would have never lost a test match.
Paddy_Mac
28 Apr 2008, 18:54
To be honest i think you lot are getting a bit carried away. Shane Watson has been very good and really, the article is painting Warne as the great captain that never was. Thing is, he has no-one to blame apart from himself, so instead of trying to impress Ian Chappell by trying to be one of the boys he should just stick to playing poker and cricket.
We have had 2 great captains in Waugh and Ponting, Warnie wins a couple of 20/20 games (one after his captainicy had conceeded 200 runs, great captainicy that) and people start acting like he would have never lost a test match.
You can't say that he wouldn't have been a good captain.
I believe that players that bowl make better captains than batsman, it's debatable though.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
28 Apr 2008, 19:16
You can't say that he wouldn't have been a good captain.
I believe that players that bowl make better captains than batsman, it's debatable though.
Im not saying that at all, but Ponting has been outstanding considering the amount of players we have lost and consider how previous captains in Taylor and Waugh performed when they were missing key players.
Ponting has performed very well.
Why the ____ do ________ journos write crap like this considering warne won a couple of lucky dip 20/20 games.
dylan101
28 Apr 2008, 19:33
You can't say that he wouldn't have been a good captain.
I believe that players that bowl make better captains than batsman, it's debatable though.
I disagree, although Warne is an exception. Bowlers who are captains always have the issue of knowing when to bowl themselves, a big problem if they are bowling badly. Warnes cricket brain is what sets him apart. You could see it when he was bowling, how he thought batsman out, especially towards the end of his career when he didn't have the flipper and his wrong'un wasn't quite as good and he maybe lost a bit of spin.
But everyone tipped Warne's team to finish on the bottom basically without a win before the IPL started. Could Punter have done this with a team bereft of talent?
You could also argue that though Punter has lost a few players we will only be able to judge this when and IF we play against good opposition. Relative to the other teams in world cricket, Punter has always had much more artillery.
Paddy_Mac
28 Apr 2008, 19:57
I disagree, although Warne is an exception. Bowlers who are captains always have the issue of knowing when to bowl themselves, a big problem if they are bowling badly. Warnes cricket brain is what sets him apart. You could see it when he was bowling, how he thought batsman out, especially towards the end of his career when he didn't have the flipper and his wrong'un wasn't quite as good and he maybe lost a bit of spin.
I just base it on the fact that most captaining skills are out on the field and bowlers can interact with other bowlers because they know how they think, which relates to fielding aswell.
He controlled Gilly with some forward thinking by getting the spinner on early. If Gilly gets into a groove he can be unstoppable, otherwise he's very vulnerable. Warne read the situation well.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
29 Apr 2008, 00:13
But everyone tipped Warne's team to finish on the bottom basically without a win before the IPL started. Could Punter have done this with a team bereft of talent?
You could also argue that though Punter has lost a few players we will only be able to judge this when and IF we play against good opposition. Relative to the other teams in world cricket, Punter has always had much more artillery.
Well we'll never know will we, could Warne have won the 2003 world cup if his teams most important player got kicked out on the eve before his teams first game?
What about if he then lost a world class fast bowler during the comp?
Again we'll never know.
But one thing, i'd wish Warne would stop bleating about Buchanan, i get sick of warnie sucking up to Ian Chappell with this shit.
20/20 cricket is a lucky dip, anyoen can literally win on the day, this is part of the reason why it is so popular, Warne captainicy has in all reality most probably had very little to do with these results, more likely it has been to do with Watson flashing blade.
Belnakor
29 Apr 2008, 12:01
He controlled Gilly with some forward thinking by getting the spinner on early. If Gilly gets into a groove he can be unstoppable, otherwise he's very vulnerable. Warne read the situation well.
Oldest trick in the book - Gilly on fire, put on the spinners. Straight out of the Indian/Sri Lankan/Pakistan play book.
Gopies 2002
29 Apr 2008, 16:47
I reckon if Warney was Test captain we would have won a hell of a lot of Test matches over the past 7-10 years :thumbsu:
Royals all the way!
As opposed to ?
Actually Steve Waugh's record is not as great as we think when you consider that he couldn't conquer Everest India, only beat Pakistan at Sharjah and it was a weakened Pakistan. Couldn't beat SL in SL.
B-Bomber
1 May 2008, 23:47
Interesting way to go out there warney! Would have used that free hit much better, maybe an extra 6 runs.
Warney is a better thinker and tatciain of the game than ponting.
TigerCraig
2 May 2008, 09:11
I just base it on the fact that most captaining skills are out on the field and bowlers can interact with other bowlers because they know how they think, which relates to fielding aswell.
Name some successful test captains who were bowlers ?
Benaud, and ummmm ........ ??
Having said that I think Warne would have done alright
Belnakor
2 May 2008, 17:03
Imran Khan
Pollock
Akram
Illingworth
But that's not really the question. The question should be, name the cricketers who were better than Warne. I think that list is shorter than the list of successful bowling captains.
Paddy_Mac
2 May 2008, 20:15
Name some successful test captains who were bowlers ?
Benaud, and ummmm ........ ??
Having said that I think Warne would have done alright
It's a pointless question i believe. The captain most of the time doesn't decide if they are going to win or not. But they do play a part of course.
SriLankanCat
3 May 2008, 09:29
I think with a bloke like Warne, just his presence alone would inspire the team. He is a flamboyant character and i think his positive and fun attitude would mean the players really enjoy themselves and cauwse he i such a star they would wnana play for him
I have only watched a few IPL games but i must say his team look like they are having fun the most
Chappelli wrote another article the other day claiming he's the greatest captain we never had. The players playing under him are so lucky. Hampshire is missing him.
http://static.cricketnext.com/pix/slideshow/05-2008/jaipur-prepares-for/smithwarnebig.jpg
Warnie in his IPL colours.
dylan101
5 May 2008, 19:34
Chappelli wrote another article the other day claiming he's the greatest captain we never had. The players playing under him are so lucky. Hampshire is missing him.
He's damn right too.
Warne>Bradman
He's damn right too.
Warne>Bradman
He had a different plan for all the left-handers in the Chennai lineup and specific plans for Dhoni and carried them out to a tee.
dylan101
5 May 2008, 20:49
He had a different plan for all the left-handers in the Chennai lineup and specific plans for Dhoni and carried them out to a tee.
2005, Edgbaston. Ponting unsure whether to bat or bowl asks a few experienced players and former players in the media such as Darren Lehmann. They all say bowl except one man, Warne says bat. You all know the rest of the story.
http://content-www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/350081.html?CMP=OTC-RSS
The comparison with Lara is interesting.