Can we beat the Hawks?

[Sloth]

If we keep Buddy quiet we should have it won. agree?

[Rohan25]

I'd say it's a tad more complicated than that, but it would be a good start.

[kaness]

I'm quietly confident.

And Buddy's performance will certainly hold some bearing on the result.

But if we can keep a relatively open forward line, like we did last week. And Didak and Pendles continue thier good form along with Fraser and Wood in the ruck. We are well on the way IMO.

Hopefully it's a good game.

How many will Medders kick this week, thats the question!

[Angelus512]

My gut feeling says probably not. Last year the Hawks were back insofar as they believed sort of they were perhaps a good team again.

This year given their string of wins they REALLY believe they are on fire. For my money that will be the difference and why they will probably win.

I feel we CAN win but we have to put in a better performance than we did against Essendon. Our performance vs Ess was better but it was not our best in my opinion.
Plus if Rocca is not back then no way.

[Swanny36]

I'm quietly confident.

And Buddy's performance will certainly hold some bearing on the result.

But if we can keep a relatively open forward line, like we did last week. And Didak and Pendles continue thier good form along with Fraser and Wood in the ruck. We are well on the way IMO.

Hopefully it's a good game.

How many will Medders kick this week, thats the question!
im going along the lines of medders will kick 7 (his jumper number)....
boy thatd be nice!....plus it goes order, 5 against roos 6 against bombers and 7 against hawks!!:D

[dubber]

Back on Topic

Yes we can beat any team in the comp if we play our best footy. :thumbsu:

IMHO, Richmond and Fremantle showed the rest of the comp how to knock off Cats and Hawks. We can go a step further and actually win. :)

All depends if we play our A game or not.

[Rohan25]

Thanks Rohan :)

Anytime.:)

As for the game, I think we're probably outclassed by Hawthorn, but one thing I've learnt about this club over the past few years is that we will always rise to an occasion, and will often produce our best results when no-one else expects us too. I'm hoping for such a performance this week.

I'm extremely concerned about young Rioli. We all know the damage that a small forward can do against Collingwood. It's been happening for years. The kangaroos game was just the latest of many.

The flipside is that I believe our small forwards can do just as much damage at our end of the ground.

I can't wait for this match.

[Pie in the Sky]

Absolutely we can win, it will take all our guns to fire, and we need to control Buddys influence, but we can do it. Some of our key players such as Cloke and Pendles found some form last week, we probably need to lift another notch, but I'm quietly confident.

[BigAl3001]

Yes we can beat any team in the comp if we play our best footy. :thumbsu:



yes you can and so can the hawks. Let's hope for a ring dinger. Last year's clash was arguable the best game of the H&A season. More of the same would be fantastic.

[CouchPotato]

Looking forward to another great game between these two clubs. We always seem to bring out the best in each other. Would still like to see us go 7-0 into the break though, so go hawks!

[Rgs011]

The last team to beat them in 08 was us (at Shepparton...lol), but this season I have no idea. we should have beaten Carlton and North but something on the day saw us below par.

Just depends which side we put out.

I think we will win...but I am not putting the house on it.

For mine we've only really been beaten in 1 game this year (Blues), whereas against Brisbane and North we were unlucky. So if we can get consistent, we can beat anyone in the comp!

[Angelus512]

Yeah freo's game against the Cats had me semi-hard. I loved that game until Freo started to fall apart.
But when they were ontop i REALLY loved what they were doing to Geelong, getting physical etc.

[Ron]

Apart from the game against the Crows i don't think the Hawks have been playing that well, but they keep winning.

If they play like they did yesterday we will win comfortably, they were pretty rubbish.
If Rocca plays i am confident we will win, their backline has struggled in the past against him, but if Rocca misses it will make it difficult.

[jazz]

I think that the Pies will need to lift a fair step from what they've produced in the first 6 rounds if they are going to win.

If the 2 teams played at the level they've been at so far this year, Hawks will win.

I think the result depends more upon how well the Pies play.

[Dermott Franklin]

Please ignore Eel_Storm,
he's already renouned as our boards biggest tosser.

From a level headed Hawthorn supporter, let me say that Collingwood is always a formidible opponent and this time last week i was quietly confident of a win if we play to our potential.
But coming off what i classify as a win undeserving of the song being sung,
we will come out firing and i expect a win with a margian larger than i first expected.
My wifes a Collingwood supporter and so is all my family on my mothers side so i hope you guys get an absolute belting:p

PS, i'm looking forward to the potential mouth watering matchup of Campbell Brown v Paul Medhurst!
Not to mention Trent Croad v Anthony Rocca and Steven Gilham v Travis Cloke.
Should be a cracker!!:thumbsu:

[TonyFrancis]

Malthouse does not seem to be keen on having a loose man in defence to plug up the holes anymore.
You could argue that Richmond did this and Franklin still had 8 shots on goal. However he was pushed wide a lot of the time by Richo dropping back. This lowered his chances.

Buddy seems like a real confidence player. If he gets a few in the first quarter he could blow us away. I hope Mick learnt his lesson against Fev and has Maxwell or John Anthony sitting in Front of Franklin wih N Brown behind.

[MrNatural]

Can we beat the hawks? I say we can but not with the performances we have put up so far this season.
But i feel we play better footy against sides that are either higher level than us, than what we serve up to the bottom sides (Carlton,Richmond,Melbourne).
We play better footy when we are the hunter rather than the hunted. Correct me if im wrong but i doubt we have gone into a game underdogs this year? and yet we are at 3-3.Among the sides we have played, i only feel that one of them is going to play finals.

IMO we are the type of side who can knock off teams such as the hawks and cats simply through our ability to pressure the opposition through hard tackling,as was proven last year.

Once again it is going to come down to the midfield of both sides to get the job done.Who can give the best delivery to the forwards.On friday, our performance was still below par, disposal was still wayward.

Hawthorn do have a bit more class in their midfield than Collingwood, but if we can break even at the clearances and shut down their running game then it will be close.

Collingwood have the backmen to get the job done on hawthorns key forwards. Just worried about players such as Cyril Rioli and Stuart Dew (if he plays) that can cause some damage.

But i think hawthorn have the same worries as we do down our end. Rocca (if he plays) could cause them some problems. I dont think they have a 'gorilla' to play on rocca if the delivery is spot on. Then theres Travis Cloke, Medhurst, Didak, Davis who they have to contend with.


If we pinch this game off Hawthorn we can get our season back on track

Anyone heard of the possible weather conditions for Saturday? Hopefully it buckets down with rain! that will level the playing field

[Jacobs08]

Collingwood can certainly beat the hawks... however the Hawks will start favourite (i would imagine) ...

Hawthorn this year has been a far superior side then collingwood, and I believe are a better team overall... However Collingwood always seem to lift against the better sides... and is therefore a danger game.

I think if Hawthorn lose it will be by under 20 points... where as I think if Hawthorn get going we can win by 5-10 goals.

Other factors include? Will Rocca play? he usually loves playing against us.
and the weather? Hawthorn are not the best wet weather footy team.

People understimate how good Roughead is... so even if Franklin has a nother bad game... expect Roughead to stand up!!!

If Collingwood are to win they must dominate the midfield...!!!

Goodluck
Go Hawks !!

[Godfrey Jones]

At the risk of being too cocky after last week's winning prediction :p

I say we will win by a minimum of 40 points.

Bookmark it.

Bring it back up after the match.

And as always, thank me.

[sirlothie]

Please ignore Eel_Storm,
he's already renouned as our boards biggest tosser.


I don't know, Hodge2Franklin would give him a serious run for his money... :p

Nah I am really looking forward to this game, should be a cracker and whoever wins would start to firm as the biggest challengers to the Cats this year...

Collingwood need to start firing and a 73 point ANZAC Day victory could be just the thing to get us up and firing, Hawthorn have waltzed through the first 6 rounds and have an exciting young side.

It's great to see two budding new Victorian powerhouses start to make a name for themselves, perhaps a new rivalry is about to brew.

May the best team win. :thumbsu:

[LuvMyHawks]

According to the majority of commentators, after watching the Ess game on Friday, they now say that the Pies are THE 2nd best team in the comp, and the only team that can beat Geelong. So, really you dont go in as underdogs, well at least not according to them..
Let's hope it's just a great game of footy all round, and may the best team win!:)

[Kirby]

I'm feeling a little confident and that always worries me.

[DWil6]

According to the majority of commentators, after watching the Ess game on Friday, they now say that the Pies are THE 2nd best team in the comp, and the only team that can beat Geelong. So, really you dont go in as underdogs, well at least not according to them..
Let's hope it's just a great game of footy all round, and may the best team win!:)
Those commentators were stoned, right?

[SA HAWK]

At the risk of being too cocky after last week's winning prediction :p

I say we will win by a minimum of 40 points.

Bookmark it.

Bring it back up after the match.

And as always, thank me.On what basis may i ask.

[Godfrey Jones]

^ no basis mate, last week i predicted we beat the bombers by minimum of 30, and we won by 73

like i said, just a bit of cockiness, lol

[Swooop]

I think the game will depend on forward delivery as both sides have pretty lethal forward lines. So this will come down to the centre clearances, we gained some confidence last week but the Hawks have a good midfield with Bateman, Hodge, Mitchell, Crawford.

We will have to be on our game to beat them, but if we stand up in the midfield, I think we have the forwards to make an impression on the scoreboard.

I believe we will surprise the Hawks and be a few goals up at quarter time, that's my prediction. Then I expect a tight tussle and a 15 point victory - that's my optimistic pick :thumbsu::D:thumbsu:

[Frederlick]

According to the majority of commentators, after watching the Ess game on Friday, they now say that the Pies are THE 2nd best team in the comp, and the only team that can beat Geelong. So, really you dont go in as underdogs, well at least not according to them..
Let's hope it's just a great game of footy all round, and may the best team win!:)
Ask the bookiers, Hawks $1.40, Pies $2.70. Will be like last years game, very close.
In our favour: Love the G
Rocca
Brown
Heath Shaw
We finally have a ruck division
Against: Hawks are confident
Have a fwd line on fire
Midfield is reliable
This is even, despite the bookies, a lot has changed in both sides since last years game at The Dome. Really believe the G will suit and may be the difference. Especially if Fraser and Wood really get going, they may just be able to negate the advantage Hawks centres probably enjoy over our lot.

[Loyal Hawk]

Of course collingwood can win, they are great at shutting down teams run and allowing the game to be played on their terms. I think the game should be a cracker. A lot of people think that if they can hold buddy they win and as a result they overlook the hawks biggest strength which is their midfield depth. You simply can't tag all of them, there is Mitchell, Hodge, Sewell, Lewis, Crawford, Bateman and Young. Then players like Osborne and Rioli also roate throught that area as well. If you are win you will need to break even in that part of the ground. It will be interesting to see how you combat the zone and move the ball from defence, as this has been the areas that teams have stuggled against us.

I also wouldn't expect Medhurst to have the same impact as he will most likely be matched up by Campbell Brown who would be the best match up for him in the competition. Expect the underrated birchall to get Thomas, Ladson on Davis, Guerra on Didak, Gillam on Cloke and Croad on Rocca. If Didak plays more in the middle then Sewell or even Ladson might pick him up. Either way I think we match up well.

I expect the hawks to win if we play close to our potential as we have pretty much a full list available, but the pies are a chance.

How big do you guys think the crowd will be?
60,000?

[The Royal Sampler]

Hawks are listed as $1.40 favourites going into the game. I think that's a bit skinny, but they are deserving favourites regardless.

[tess]

The Hawks have massive preasure on them to beat us, just as Geelong did last year in the finals. We just have to show up and play OUR game and the result will come, the Hawks on the other hand will be watching the scoreboard worrying about what will be said if they loose.

We should and can win, a few T Shaw like mind games would help this week I feel.

[starbux]

Collingwood can definitely beat the Hawks.... I think Hawthorn have a slightly better Forward line but both are extremely potent, I think Collingwood have a better/bigger defence, and I think Hawthorn have too much depth in the midfield; so this game could go either way!

Im just praying that the rain holds out and we (60,000+ hopefully) get to see these 2 great sides go at it in perfect conditions for football. I want to see the likes of Buddy, Rioli, Thomas and Didak showing of their amazing skills instead of sliding around on a wet surface.

good luck Pies, may the best side win....God it's good to see the Victorian sides dominating again the way it should be :D

[Angelus512]

Hard to pin a match on one player for the pies but assuming everybody you'd expect is going to play the one man we NEED to be in....well the 2 guys.

1. Burns....2.Rocca

Rocca should play, if burns doesn't we are going to be hurt a lot. His clearances are sooo valuable.

[thatday]

It all depends on which Collingwood shows up.....

[SA HAWK]

The Hawks have massive preasure on them to beat us, just as Geelong did last year in the finals. We just have to show up and play OUR game and the result will come, the Hawks on the other hand will be watching the scoreboard worrying about what will be said if they loose.

We should and can win, a few T Shaw like mind games would help this week I feel.I disagree i think the pressure is on you. Even if we lose we are 6-1 going into the break if you lose you will be 3-4 and still won't have beaten anyone of any note. I know which record i would rather have.

[Frederlick]

I disagree i think the pressure is on you. Even if we lose we are 6-1 going into the break if you lose you will be 3-4 and still won't have beaten anyone of any note. I know which record i would rather have.
Yep, no pressure. You keep telling yourself that. And then go and post excuses like this that show that the supporters are nervous. No pressure, no pressure.

[JohnD]

Ask the bookiers, Hawks $1.40, Pies $2.70. Will be like last years game, very close.


That's ridiculous. If you can get $2.70, you should take it.

This game is much closer to a 50/50 than those odds suggest. Pies are coming off a training drill with an 8 day break against a side with a 5.5 day break that has travelled interstate 3 times already.

Given the even nature of the competition, that anomoly could easily see the Pies finishing right over the top of the Hawks.

[tess]

I disagree i think the pressure is on you. Even if we lose we are 6-1 going into the break if you lose you will be 3-4 and still won't have beaten anyone of any note. I know which record i would rather have.

Hawks are soft, mind games are fun. Heater and Racer have the yap yap genes.

[JohnD]

Hawks are soft, mind games are fun. Heater and Racer have the yap yap genes.

Hawks can be indisciplined but you've not watched many of their matches if you think they're soft.

[SA HAWK]

Yep, no pressure. You keep telling yourself that. And then go and post excuses like this that show that the supporters are nervous. No pressure, no pressure.Whatever pal. You lose this week and you might struggle to make the finals. Definately more pressure on you than us.

[hellfire]

At the risk of being too cocky after last week's winning prediction :p

I say we will win by a minimum of 40 points.

Bookmark it.

Bring it back up after the match.

And as always, thank me.

I strongly disagree.

I have a feeling that we're going to be comfortably beaten, but we'll play pretty well. It will be the first time this year that I'll walk away thinking we should've lost if that happens. IF Rocca plays AND fires, we are a massive chance. If he does play and does nothing, we will get smashed. If he doesn't play, we're a small chance. Their midfield will smash ours, and Franklin will kick about 7 IMO. Rioli will also carve us up.

On our side, Didak should have another big one, and I think Leon will too. We should be able to handle Roughead and Williams, but who knows. I also think we should really dominate in the ruck, and may have the edge in clearances (but not in the midfield in general play). Clokey should have a big one, but will play up the ground if Rocca is back.

I predict a 20 point win to the Hawks, which may flatter us a little. But I really, really hope we smash them. :)

[hellfire]

It all depends on which Collingwood shows up.....

That's about spot on. At our best, we can beat ANYONE.

[tess]

Hey we just wanna keep pace with the pack, your mob wanna challenge Geelong as the numero uno .... we just wanna win for winnings sake.

[SA HAWK]

Hey we just wanna keep pace with the pack, your mob wanna challenge Geelong as the numero uno .... we just wanna win for winnings sake.All that hawks v geelong talk is a load of shite. I just want us to make the finals and see where we go from there.

[Pie eyed]

Whatever pal. You lose this week and you might struggle to make the finals. Definately more pressure on you than us.

I think the Pies know this exactly and will react accordingly. The fact the Hawks are seemingly "cruising" could be a little chink in the "mental armour" we can exploit. Geelong so very nearly let overconfidence lose them a game last week.

It is fine to be confident in your teams ability but as they say "one swallow does not a summer make" or in Hawthorns case "one short run of success does not a tradition make". Nothing to say you can't lose the next 16 games and become the new "St Kilda" of the competition.
It will take a fair bit more success to earn the right to be arrogant and by then you won't need to be.

[Casper Wiggins]

If you can't beat us, then there is no chance you will beat Hawthorn.

[Subtemperate]

I think people might be confusing the "can't" with "didn't". We can beat carlton, but we didn't. We can beat Hawthorn and it remains to be seen whether we will or not.

[ShepBoy]

If you can't beat us, then there is no chance you will beat Hawthorn.

How did you go against Essendon, dickweed?

[Pie eyed]

I think people might be confusing the "can't" with "didn't". We can beat carlton, but we didn't. We can beat Hawthorn and it remains to be seen whether we will or not.

I have to say though that I think anyone with a moniker like Casper Wiggins is definitely a can't...:D:D:D

[rusdid24]

Typical opinion from a Hawks supporter this year. Isn't it incredible how they've crawled out of the woodwork and think they'll smash everyone each week, except Geelong. Expecting to be 21 and 1 at the end of the year are we mate?
You beat us by less than 3 goals at the Dome (a venue where we are shit) last year, and all you've got extra this year is Rioli, whilst you are minus Boyle who played well against us last year. We're ready to go and you better be ready for us because if your players have the same attitude you do we'll roll you over by a considerable margin.

[jazz]

Typical opinion from a Hawks supporter this year. Isn't it incredible how they've crawled out of the woodwork and think they'll smash everyone each week, except Geelong. Expecting to be 21 and 1 at the end of the year are we mate?
You beat us by less than 3 goals at the Dome (a venue where we are shit) last year, and all you've got extra this year is Rioli, whilst you are minus Boyle who played well against us last year. We're ready to go and you better be ready for us because if your players have the same attitude you do we'll roll you over by a considerable margin.

Not typical at all. Certain BF posters love to niggle. Look at the thread started by the Pies supporter stating that you'll kill us.

[rusdid24]

Not typical at all. Certain BF posters love to niggle. Look at the thread started by the Pies supporter stating that you'll kill us.

There has been arrogance seeping from the Hawks board onto all other boards for the past few weeks. One Pies poster couldn't possibly compare to it.

[That's deliberate]

Typical opinion from a Hawks supporter this year. Isn't it incredible how they've crawled out of the woodwork and think they'll smash everyone each week, except Geelong. Expecting to be 21 and 1 at the end of the year are we mate?
You beat us by less than 3 goals at the Dome (a venue where we are shit) last year, and all you've got extra this year is Rioli, whilst you are minus Boyle who played well against us last year. We're ready to go and you better be ready for us because if your players have the same attitude you do we'll roll you over by a considerable margin.

Dont confuse yourself with any performance we put in last year, that is a whole world away from where we are today...This time last year the Eagles were favorites to go back to back for the flag and this week they go in as underdogs at home to a side that has won 2 games in there last 20 odd.....go figure


Oncemore if you believe that what i and others post on an internet forum has any influence on a game you have serious issues.

Hawks have far too much run and guns across the park for you boys..you will struggle big time.

We have panced everyone we've played this year and haven't looked like losing...forget the margins my friend we have not been challenged at all and have had all sides well and truly covered..

and for what it's worth we expect to and will beat Geelong aswell...

Just embrace it and enjoy it....Sure you guys arn't a bad side and will play finals but we're in a different league then you guys this year...that's all....it's just fact....6-0 seems to suggest that aswell...Lets not get to emotional and just call a spade a spade...we are very very very good and you guys are just ok..these are the hard facts, we can argue about opinions all night, i'd rather stick to the hard facts.

Now for the we haven't played anyone yet argument...yes very true but we like everyone else play one team per week....this week it's your turn.:p

[rusdid24]

Dont confuse yourself with any performance we put in last year, that is a whole world away from where we are today...This time last year the Eagles were favorites to go back to back for the flag and this week they go in as underdogs at home to a side that has one 2 games in there last 20 odd.....go figure


Oncemore if you believe that what i and others post on an internet forum has any influence on a game you have serious issues.

Hawks have far too much run and guns across the park for you boys..you will struggle big time.

We have panced everyone we've played this year and haven't looked like losing...forget the margins my friend we have not been challenged at all and have had all sides well and truly covered..

and for what it's worth we expect to and will beat Geelong aswell...

Just embrace it and enjoy it....Sure you guys arn't a bad side and will play finals but we're in a different league then you guys this year...that's all....it's just fact....6-0 seems to suggest that aswell...Lets not get to emotional and just call a spade a spade...we are very very very good and you guys are just ok..these are the hard facts, we can argue about opinions all night, i'd rather stick to the hard facts.

Now for the we haven't played anyone yet argument...yes very true but we like everyone else play one team per week....this week it's your turn.:p

Haha what a crock of shit. Yeah, we're the OK side who got within 5 points of causing the biggest mass cliff jump since Jonestown. This is where we like to be, no one giving us a chance, we know we're outclassed in just about every position by teams like you and Geelong, yet why don't we get flogged by 10 goals when we play these so-called 'super teams?'.

Because we're a frigging good side, and we'll give you a red hot go on Saturday, you won't pants us, nowhere near it in fact.
And why are you 'very, very, very, very, very good'? Are you as 'very, very, very, very, very good' as St Kilda were at the start of 2004, or at the start of 2006?
Only one side who is walking out onto the park on Saturday got within 5 points of the GF last year, you've achieved ____ all and you choked in the finals against North, so I wouldn't be getting too cocky just yet.

[Roughie]

You definatly are a chance, your forward line will stretch our defence. We have match ups for Cloke and Rocca in Croad, and Gilham but its a matter of keeping your smalls quiet. Kangas stretched our forward line with their group of smalls, and I am sure Malthouse will look to do the same with Medhurst, Thomas, Davis and Didak. It will be sharing the load amongst all your options that will beat us, rather then having a huge game from one of your forwards.

I really like your backline and think they should match up well. With Franklin kicking a woeful 1 goal 7 behinds I highly doubt he will have another poor game. But the highlight of the Richmond game was Mark Williams, he really should have walked away with 5 goals and he will continue to slip under the radar. Roughie also looked great so as much as Franklin is a headache its our other options who fly underated.

I think for us to win, we really have to dominate in the midfield. We have to starve your forwards from any oppurtunity. I think the game will be closer then the odds reflect, we really should have beat Richmond by 10 goals but our goal kicking killed us. But like I said I doubt Buddy will have 2 poor games like that in a row.

[That's deliberate]

Haha what a crock of shit. Yeah, we're the OK side who got within 5 points of causing the biggest mass cliff jump since Jonestown. This is where we like to be, no one giving us a chance, we know we're outclassed in just about every position by teams like you and Geelong, yet why don't we get flogged by 10 goals when we play these so-called 'super teams?'.

Because we're a frigging good side, and we'll give you a red hot go on Saturday, you won't pants us, nowhere near it in fact.
And why are you 'very, very, very, very, very good'? Are you as 'very, very, very, very, very good' as St Kilda were at the start of 2004, or at the start of 2006?
Only one side who is walking out onto the park on Saturday got within 5 points of the GF last year, you've achieved ____ all and you choked in the finals against North, so I wouldn't be getting too cocky just yet.

Look like i said don't confuse any performance we put in last year as a guide for what will happen this week, i thought i made that very clear, i can sit here and type about some wonderful performances we put in last year and some horrible ones but im not...lets stick to the current day shall we...

This is not about what we will achieve 3 months from now, 6 years from now or 2 weeks from now, this is about this Saturday between 2 and 5ish, lets not confuse things here, i am a very simple person and can't comprehend complex what if's and's and maybe's...and we did this last year and we did this in 1956.....

This Saturday at about 5ish i shall be leaving the G with my Collingwood mates and heading to a pub a very very happy lad....that's all.

[rusdid24]

Look like i said don't confuse any performance we put in last year as a guide for what will happen this week, i thought i made that very clear, i can sit here and type about some wonderful performances we put in last year and some horrible ones but im not...lets stick to the current day shall we...

This is not about what we will achieve 3 months from now, 6 years from now or 2 weeks from now, this is about this Saturday between 2 and 5ish, lets not confuse things here, i am a very simple person and can't comprehend complex what if's and's and maybe's...and we did this last year and we did this in 1956.....

This Saturday at about 5ish i shall be leaving the G with my Collingwood mates and heading to a pub a very very happy lad....that's all.

You better hope so, otherwise you won't be having a very fun time of it.
You seem pretty sure you're better than every other side in the comp, should finish 22 and 0 pretty easily this year, remember, all it takes is a Buddy shoulder/knee and it's curtains for the year.

[That's deliberate]

You better hope so, otherwise you won't be having a very fun time of it.
You seem pretty sure you're better than every other side in the comp, should finish 22 and 0 pretty easily this year, remember, all it takes is a Buddy shoulder/knee and it's curtains for the year.

It wont be easy but i'd say we are atleast a 50/50 chance to win every game we play this year and if we keep our list together we may well win every game we play...whose to say we won't...we'll worry about that week by week..

This week it's Collingwood, we love beating Collingwood as everyone does, it's just the way of the world..

Don't get me wrong you guys arn't a bad side, that is reserved for the Melbourne, Richmonds, Carlton and Essendons of the world, you're just not up to our class at the minute.

[rusdid24]

It wont be easy but i'd say we are atleast a 50/50 chance to win every game we play this year and if we keep our list together we may well win every game we play...whose to say we won't...we'll worry about that week by week..

This week it's Collingwood, we love beating Collingwood as everyone does, it's just the way of the world..

Don't get me wrong you guys arn't a bad side, that is reserved for the Melbourne, Richmonds, Carlton and Essendons of the world, you're just not up to our class at the minute.

Well I can see we will have to agree to disagree. Please feel free to now indulge in every BF Hawthorn posters favourite past-time and stir up the North supporters having a whinge about karma coming back to bite them!

[Somebody]

At the risk of being too cocky after last week's winning prediction :p

I say we will win by a minimum of 40 points.

Bookmark it.

Bring it back up after the match.

And as always, thank me.Thank you??
ARe you predicting a 40 point win, or ordaining one?

[jiphoc]

You better hope so, otherwise you won't be having a very fun time of it.
You seem pretty sure you're better than every other side in the comp, should finish 22 and 0 pretty easily this year, remember, all it takes is a Buddy shoulder/knee and it's curtains for the year.
Did Hawks Sunday clash with Tigers teach you nothing about the Hawks forward line at all? Are you also 3 years old that you cannot remember what Willo is capable of? Hawthorn has one of if not the best forward line in the AFL. You can double team Buddy, Rough will get 5 or 6. Get the idea?

[Somebody]

According to the majority of commentators, after watching the Ess game on Friday, they now say that the Pies are THE 2nd best team in the comp, and the only team that can beat Geelong. So, really you dont go in as underdogs, well at least not according to them..
Let's hope it's just a great game of footy all round, and may the best team win!:)
I don't think that game was a very reliable indication. Especially there wre some very bad defensive mismatches on our forwards. But I think Goldsack might prove to be a messiah for our forward line (likie rusling was last year), if he's persisted with. Of course you have better than rusling in Williams if he hits good form. the matchups and tactics of both defenses will be very interesting, provided we don't get blown away in the midfield. but I don't think we will although Hawthorn will have bursts of midfield ascendency no doubt. Woods are probably a year behind Hawthorn in devt, eg next year I think Thomas will be a *lot* more dangerous and we need to dev more mid depth. But that doesn't mean we can't beat you this week and in September.

[daics cousin]

I think that Rocca and Burns will not play.Both may be rested.
So the hawks may be hard to beat without our 2 seniors in the side.
Because the hawks will have a very mobile forward line i reckon maybe shannon cox should come in.
Without Rocca in the side, and if Reid cannot play i feel that mm may debut another youngster.Possibly Chris dawes could make his debut,to fill the gap for Rocca.Very much in the Jonathan Brown mould this kid can split the packs and will be groomed for the rocca role.
Buddy the gazelle franklin will be the key for the hawks.
Either way this game will be a cracker.

[Kirby]

Stop pumping up Dawes. He's no-where near ready yet.

[Cynic]

If Travis Cloke can kick straight he'll easily match Buddy for goals.

[kaness]

Look like i said don't confuse any performance we put in last year as a guide for what will happen this week, i thought i made that very clear, i can sit here and type about some wonderful performances we put in last year and some horrible ones but im not...lets stick to the current day shall we...

This is not about what we will achieve 3 months from now, 6 years from now or 2 weeks from now, this is about this Saturday between 2 and 5ish, lets not confuse things here, i am a very simple person and can't comprehend complex what if's and's and maybe's...and we did this last year and we did this in 1956.....

This Saturday at about 5ish i shall be leaving the G with my Collingwood mates and heading to a pub a very very happy lad....that's all.

Ok here goes, I'll try not to be too complex for you champ.

Your a ____wit.

[Sloth]

It wont be easy but i'd say we are atleast a 50/50 chance to win every game we play this year


LOL that only gives you 11 wins. :D

[pongo_3931]

Loving all the chat. This game could be a real cracker!

Relegating a side to mediocrity as some of the Hawks supporters visiting the pies board have done, is folly. If Freo can push the mighty Geelong to a one point win, if Richmond can test the Hawks I would argue that either side is a chance this week.

Pies will need to step up and play some of the in-form football we did last year and IMO we will need to do this without Rocca and Burns. The days of relying on these senior players are numbered. We are capible to bringing it to them.

For the Hawks to step over the line I see them needing to get early breaks. We seem to drop at the start of quarters when teams get 2 or 3 in a row against us. Our pressure and enthusiasm drops and if that happens we can be a walk over.

If that doesn't happen and we bring our game to the Hawks, expect some hard contested football and a close one.

As for attendance? I'm hoping for a big crowd and am pretty excited to be going to this game.

[RedDevils99]

I think Collingwood definitely has a chance in this game as we will have to drop one sooner or later, however I hope last weeks scare against the Tigers will mean we come out to play this week.

Buddy doesnt usually have two bad games in a row so he should come good.


Hoping for some nice weather and a massive crowd to go with what should be a great game.
It could go either way and good luck.

[The Royal Sampler]

If you can't beat us, then there is no chance you will beat Hawthorn.
I guess you should put the house on the $1.40 then. ;)

[iGNITER]

YES:thumbsu:

[popathon]

Someone before said that what people write on a message board wont affect the game. If some of the pies players read some of the crap that's being written i reckon they'd be motivated (extra motivated) to shut up clowns like "that's deliberate".
Anyway if Rocca doesn't play the one who can turn the game for us will be Fraser. If Wood takes majority of the ruck work i think Fraser could kick a bag on the undersized Hawks defence.

[Hedgehodgy]

Im hoping for an excellent game like last year. I was on the edge of my seat that whole game 50,000+ and I dont think either side was ever in front at any stage by much more than 2 goals. Skills were exceptional as well. Good game and a good crowd should make for a great day.

Both teams are a chance, Hawks would be the obvious favourite, but both sides seem to match up fairly well on each other.

[Gene Simmons]

If Rocca doesn't play, Hawks will win!
If Rocca plays - Hawks will win by even more! You may as well play with 21 players!! :thumbsu:

[buckstheking]

[quote=Gene Simmons;10855487]If Rocca doesn't play, Hawks will win!
If Rocca plays - Hawks will win by even more! You may as well play with 21 players!! :thumbsu:

Rocca sends his regards to Zac Dawson...ha ha. remember him?

[Roughie]

[quote=Gene Simmons;10855487]If Rocca doesn't play, Hawks will win!
If Rocca plays - Hawks will win by even more! You may as well play with 21 players!! :thumbsu:

Rocca sends his regards to Zac Dawson...ha ha. remember him?

6-0 Without him, so I guess Rocca has someone else to worry about out.

[BUGSY01]

[quote=Gene Simmons;10855487]If Rocca doesn't play, Hawks will win!
If Rocca plays - Hawks will win by even more! You may as well play with 21 players!! :thumbsu:

Rocca sends his regards to Zac Dawson...ha ha. remember him?
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well put.

[jazz]

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well put.

But Dawson isn't in the team......

[cakewalk06]

I'm confident. We have won four of the past five matches against Hawthorn (by margins ranging from 28-65 points) so we match up fairly well. I'm aware the one we lost is the most recent (8pts) but that was at the Dome (with the roof shut ??) where we have been rubbish the past few years.

Pies by 22

[Mojo]

I'm confident. We have won four of the past five matches against Hawthorn (by margins ranging from 28-65 points) so we match up fairly well. I'm aware the one we lost is the most recent (8pts) but that was at the Dome (with the roof shut ??) where we have been rubbish the past few years.

Pies by 22

Teams evolve so quickly now, I don't think past games have much revelance. ;)

[cakewalk06]

Teams evolve so quickly now, I don't think past games have much revelance. ;)


yes you are right, they do. I imagine we have evolved a lot more quickly than you since last weekend's matches.

So... Pies by 22

[The Dawes]

Teams evolve so quickly now, I don't think past games have much revelance. ;)


Think this is partially true, the Hawthorn team has come on in leaps and bounds in the last 2 years and in a lot of ways is vastly different to the 2006 version... however on the flip side, the Pies have a good record and you will always feel confident against a side you've beaten more often than not in recent seasons.

[jazz]

yes you are right, they do. I imagine we have evolved a lot more quickly than you since last weekend's matches.

So... Pies by 22

Bringing back Rocca is evolution?

[Conky_54]

Bulldogs supporter here, I hope you blokes give the hawks a deserved slapping this weekend. The arrogrance of their supporters now is insane, its rd 7 people, Plus it will mean a nice pay day for me.

[raff23]

im going along the lines of medders will kick 7 (his jumper number)....
boy thatd be nice!....plus it goes order, 5 against roos 6 against bombers and 7 against hawks!!:D
doubt he will kick 7, campbell brown is a perfect match up for medhurst as he is strong overhead and has pace, medhurst will be happy with 2-3 goals against an A grade defender IMO.

[MinerBoy]

IMHO, Richmond and Fremantle showed the rest of the comp how to knock off Cats and Hawks.

By standing on the mark and watching balls sail over their heads for points and then still managing to lose?????

[Macquarie Eagle]

I guess you should put the house on the $1.40 then. ;)

Or, in the case of Collingwood supporters, your cardboard box.

[MinerBoy]

Dont confuse yourself with any performance we put in last year, that is a whole world away from where we are today...This time last year the Eagles were favorites to go back to back for the flag and this week they go in as underdogs at home to a side that has won 2 games in there last 20 odd.....go figure


Oncemore if you believe that what i and others post on an internet forum has any influence on a game you have serious issues.

Hawks have far too much run and guns across the park for you boys..you will struggle big time.

We have panced everyone we've played this year and haven't looked like losing...forget the margins my friend we have not been challenged at all and have had all sides well and truly covered..

and for what it's worth we expect to and will beat Geelong aswell...

Just embrace it and enjoy it....Sure you guys arn't a bad side and will play finals but we're in a different league then you guys this year...that's all....it's just fact....6-0 seems to suggest that aswell...Lets not get to emotional and just call a spade a spade...we are very very very good and you guys are just ok..these are the hard facts, we can argue about opinions all night, i'd rather stick to the hard facts.

Now for the we haven't played anyone yet argument...yes very true but we like everyone else play one team per week....this week it's your turn.:p

Whilst I think we will win, this post could haunt. :o

[thatday]

Or, in the case of Collingwood supporters, your cardboard box.

Oh, you are funny. Perhaps you should become a stand up comedian? Or do you have to be over 12 to do that?:rolleyes:

[Optimax]

Oh, you are funny. Perhaps you should become a stand up comedian? Or do you have to be over 12 to do that?:rolleyes:
no mate some sort of actuall talent not just stupidity and arrogance is needed

[walhawk]

A serious question.

You seem to have 5 tall backman, yet we only have 2 tall forwards. So if Maxwell goes to Buddy & Brown to Roughead, who do Wakes, Goldie & Harry play on?

We also have only 2 tall backs (Gilham & Croad), so who can go forward to try to stretch us?

[The Cryptkeeper]

According to the majority of commentators, after watching the Ess game on Friday, they now say that the Pies are THE 2nd best team in the comp, and the only team that can beat Geelong. So, really you dont go in as underdogs, well at least not according to them..
Let's hope it's just a great game of footy all round, and may the best team win!:)


Rubbish....and I doubt that one commentator has said that.

That said, Collingwood are a quality unit and this one is a coinflip. Any rain tomorrow probably helps the Pies but the mistake that they might make is to be too Buddy conscious. Roughead is high class and needs to be closely monitored. Likewise, Cloke and Rocca are formidable targets yet Medhurst is my real concern. Brown will probably pick him up but for some reason I have always preferred Brown on the medium-big forwards despite his size.

[stui magpie]

Of course collingwood can win, they are great at shutting down teams run and allowing the game to be played on their terms. I think the game should be a cracker. A lot of people think that if they can hold buddy they win and as a result they overlook the hawks biggest strength which is their midfield depth. You simply can't tag all of them, there is Mitchell, Hodge, Sewell, Lewis, Crawford, Bateman and Young. Then players like Osborne and Rioli also roate throught that area as well. If you are win you will need to break even in that part of the ground. It will be interesting to see how you combat the zone and move the ball from defence, as this has been the areas that teams have stuggled against us.

I also wouldn't expect Medhurst to have the same impact as he will most likely be matched up by Campbell Brown who would be the best match up for him in the competition. Expect the underrated birchall to get Thomas, Ladson on Davis, Guerra on Didak, Gillam on Cloke and Croad on Rocca. If Didak plays more in the middle then Sewell or even Ladson might pick him up. Either way I think we match up well.

I expect the hawks to win if we play close to our potential as we have pretty much a full list available, but the pies are a chance.

How big do you guys think the crowd will be?
60,000?

You make a good point about the Hawks midfield depth but you forget oine important point.

We have a team full of midfielders who rotate through the centre. We don't tag the opposition and haven't for over 12 months. We have 1 or 2 opposition players who someone goes to at stoppages, but in general we rely on group pressure, similar to what Hawthorn does.

The midfield will be where the game is won. While the Hawks clog the midfield with Clarko's Cluster (AKA hawker hemorrhoids), they leave the opposition forward line very open if the midfield breaks through.

To the other hawk who mentioned we've got 5 tall forwards, again they forget that Sack; Maxie and Harry are all fast and agile enough to take small players.

Who are we going to send forward to stretch your munchkin defence?

Last week Pendles (191 cm) started at CHF.

Sack (193) went down there for a while, Brown (195) played there against Carlton and got 2 goals, Daisy is terrific overhead and Medders takes heaps of contested marks.

The Hawks midfielders better be fit cos they'll be chasing black and white ass all day. If they run out of steam, there's no way the Hawk backline can hold our forward line.

[Casper Wiggins]

If you can't beat us, then there is no chance you will beat Hawthorn.

Was I right or what?

[wolvesjr34]

Was I right or what?

Yes sir, you were very very right. :)

[That's deliberate]

Dont confuse yourself with any performance we put in last year, that is a whole world away from where we are today...This time last year the Eagles were favorites to go back to back for the flag and this week they go in as underdogs at home to a side that has won 2 games in there last 20 odd.....go figure


Oncemore if you believe that what i and others post on an internet forum has any influence on a game you have serious issues.

Hawks have far too much run and guns across the park for you boys..you will struggle big time.

We have panced everyone we've played this year and haven't looked like losing...forget the margins my friend we have not been challenged at all and have had all sides well and truly covered..

and for what it's worth we expect to and will beat Geelong aswell...

Just embrace it and enjoy it....Sure you guys arn't a bad side and will play finals but we're in a different league then you guys this year...that's all....it's just fact....6-0 seems to suggest that aswell...Lets not get to emotional and just call a spade a spade...we are very very very good and you guys are just ok..these are the hard facts, we can argue about opinions all night, i'd rather stick to the hard facts.

Now for the we haven't played anyone yet argument...yes very true but we like everyone else play one team per week....this week it's your turn.:p

ta:thumbsu:

[ChunkyDuckling]

Hawthorn has one of if not the best forward line in the AFL. You can double team Buddy, Rough will get 5 or 6. Get the idea?

:thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu:

[Godfrey Jones]

:thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu:

i liked your post better before you edited it

[Leather Poisoning]

The Hawks midfielders better be fit cos they'll be chasing black and white ass all day. If they run out of steam, there's no way the Hawk backline can hold our forward line.

I guess that means we're fit?