CHANGES TO CURRENT PDFL ( merged ) NEW COMP / MFL/PDFL 3 Division System Threads

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PROPOSAL :

The PDFL to be split into a two divison competition.

Division 1
- Clubs are unrestricted as to whom it recruits.
- The club which finishes 8th is automatically available for relegation to Division 2 provided a side in Division 2 seeks the right to play in Division 1.
- An 8 side , final 5 competition, with future growth looked upon to increase size of the competition.

Division 2
- Clubs are restricted by the amount of players which do not fit the guidelines, of a local player , as outlined below, obviously would need to be debated and tinkered with by League Delegates.
- A side may nominate itself to raise to Divison 1.
- An 8 side, final 5 competition, with future growth looked upon to increase size of competition.


Local Player Criteria
- Players must live within 100 klms of club.
- Players must have last played with the club.
- Players which have not played for 2 full season would be considered as a local player.
- Players which have played with club for more than two seasons and have lived outside the 100klm for less than 2 seasons would be considered a local.
- Players which have played at another league of similar standard and have played more than 25% of their last 50 games, or 25 % of the previous season, at senior level would be considered as non local players. - Those which are joining a club from junior grades who have played more than 20 games of senior football would not be considered a local.
- Players which are coming from another club within the league and have played more than 10 games of senior football within the last 2 seasons would not be considered a local.
- Any player who is joining the club from a major league, who has never played at the club before , would be considered as a non local, if they have played at the club within the last 3 seasons and have not played more than 40 % of the games since leaving the club at senior level, they would be considered a local player.
- A player who has moved within the area, 100 klms , and has not played with a club within this area before, may be considered a local player provided they have not played greater than 30 % of their past 2 seasons at senior level within a major league.


Look probably sounds fairly complex, but to put it into perspective, Div 2 can't recruit blokes from opposition clubs, Gv and Murray 1's or two's or the like, yet can have their own juniors go away for a couple of years and have a crack at a higher level, or have their juniors travel back for a couple of years. Obviously would need some work, but like the concept.

[iwantanotherflag]

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Definately needs some sort of split. I have always liked the idea of merging the PDFL and MFL together and forming a 3 division league.

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Too complicated Pace To Freeze.

Definately needs some sort of split. I have always liked the idea of merging the PDFL and MFL together and forming a 3 division league.

Yeh understand your point, considered the thought of Murray sides which wish to go to Amateur statis, could drop down to PDFL Div 1, which obviously would also allow PDFL Div 1 premiers to go up to MFL. ??
Your probably fortunate from where you played, but let me tell you there is a huge difference this season, more so than most, from those that have recruited and those that haven't. Will try to find a bit of info on the final game of 2006 sides and those played Saturday from a few of the better sides this season.
Deni had 9 players, of 21, in Saturdays side from the last game 2006.
lewis,howard,fleming,germano,lumbar,robinson,bond,glowey, mcnamara.
Dookie had 8 of the 21,
edmonson,payne-crosten,begs,ludeman x 2,o'rouke, oussa, simbley

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Reckon that "the players must live within 100kms" knocks out all the uni students in Melb or where ever they study who want come home to play.

I would think this would be very difficult to police.

[Marto121]

Reckon that "the players must live within 100kms" knocks out all the uni students in Melb or where ever they study who want come home to play.

I would think this would be very difficult to police.

I would agree with this it just seemed to complicated and (no offense) seemed biased to your club, Mathoura, but the idea of merging the MFL and PDFL sounds good with relegation and promotion but it could cause problems with Juniors because if you get a club e.g Waaia who has a strong seniors side but a not so strong thirds side that comes up against a really good MFL team and gets thrashed every week that could jeopardies the clubs future as the kids may not want to hang around there in their later years. To be honest no one or the vcfl will be able to come up with a league that pleases everybody and its highly likely that at least 1 club will get pissed off.

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I would agree with this it just seemed to complicated and (no offense) seemed biased to your club, Mathoura, but the idea of merging the MFL and PDFL sounds good with relegation and promotion but it could cause problems with Juniors because if you get a club e.g Waaia who has a strong seniors side but a not so strong thirds side that comes up against a really good MFL team and gets thrashed every week that could jeopardies the clubs future as the kids may not want to hang around there in their later years. To be honest no one or the vcfl will be able to come up with a league that pleases everybody and its highly likely that at least 1 club will get pissed off.

Marto tried not to be biased and don't worry would force Mathoura into a complete rebuilding phase the same as many other clubs. I guess I brought it up as a lot of the smaller townships seem to really bottom out and then have a couple of good years, in the mean time supporters jump on and off and players are always to and froing. For example you Guys and Deni were down and copped quite a few beatings in 2006 the same as Yarra, Wunghnu and Mathoura has this past weekend, yet are now enjoy success. I don't think it is good for the comp, clubs nor players for there to be such a big difference in the comp.
I relation to the juniors and differences, I think you would find that clubs would tend to put more time into their junior developement and after some time those with strong senior sides would have the best junior developement.

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Reckon that "the players must live within 100kms" knocks out all the uni students in Melb or where ever they study who want come home to play.

I would think this would be very difficult to police.

Maybe not well enough explained, say if your juniors went away to uni, it would allow players to travel back for 2 years, without being classed a non local.

[iwantanotherflag]

Ex TFL: Dookie United (2007), Shepp East (2006), Katandra (1998, 2003, 2004), Katamatite (1996, 2001), Tungamah (1999)

Numurkah Area: Katunga, Strathmerton (1997), Waaia (1995, 2002, 2005), Wunghnu, Picola United, Yarroweyah

NSW: Berrigan, Blighty (2000), Deni Rovers, Jerilderie, Mathoura

Premiership years in brackets, since 1995.

Other than for Damien Sexton's work at Blighty, the silverware hasn't seen too much past Numurkah in recent years.

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Marto the other point I think you might be missing is that the top div, 8 clubs, this system would not effect at all, other than when they wished to re-build.
Look, obviously the top sides at the moment may not look at this positively, but hey it aint the long ago as I keep repeating, that we, Mathoura, played Dookie and Deni and those clubs struggled to have enough supporters to fill a car, yet last year the supporter base of both was tremendous with standing room only.

[theintimidator]

Too complicated Pace To Freeze.

Definately needs some sort of split. I have always liked the idea of merging the PDFL and MFL together and forming a 3 division league.


I agree it would be almost impossible to police. Great concept though. iwantanotherflag I have posted a new thread to vote on and discuss a MFL/PDFL 3 division league.

[theintimidator]

Here’s my go at spliting the league to a more managable size. Below I have put an example of a 3 tiered system including all 29 clubs currently involved in the MFL and PDFL. In this model Promotion/Relegation would be used to advance or demote teams between the leagues but only after showing a history of overwelming strength or weakness in their current league over a number of years.

Tier 1

Nathalia
Mulwala
Barooga
Echuca Utd
Finley
Congupna
Deni Rams
Rumbalara
Numurkah
Tocumwal

Tier 2

Tongala
Moama
Cobram
Katandra
Shepp East
Waaia
Dookie Utd
Tungamah
Picola Utd
Blighty

Tier 3

Jerilderie
Katunga
Strathmerton
Yarroweyah
Deni Rovers
Berrigan
Wunghnu
Katamatite
Mathoura

A 30th side could be included to make all leagues 10 sides strong. Perhaps the Barmah Fererals or Moira Ramblers could reform?

What do you all think?

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Here’s my go at spliting the league to a more managable size. Below I have put an example of a 3 tiered system including all 29 clubs currently involved in the MFL and PDFL. In this model Promotion/Relegation would be used to advance or demote teams between the leagues but only after showing a history of overwelming strength or weakness in their current league over a number of years.

Tier 1

Nathalia
Mulwala
Barooga
Echuca Utd
Finley
Congupna
Deni Rams
Rumbalara
Numurkah
Tocumwal

Tier 2

Tongala
Moama
Cobram
Katandra
Shepp East
Waaia
Dookie Utd
Tungamah
Picola Utd
Blighty

Tier 3

Jerilderie
Katunga
Strathmerton
Yarroweyah
Deni Rovers
Berrigan
Wunghnu
Katamatite
Mathoura

A 30th side could be included to make all leagues 10 sides strong. Perhaps the Barmah Fererals or Moira Ramblers could reform?

What do you all think?

the splitting of this is always going to be difficult, for example United, Congupna and Finley I don't would have as much success as Moama in the last tens years, ie playing finals. Also up here in Echuca either Moama or United are generally strong not both at some time. In the middle teir I think you would find Blighty and Picola would get blown away by Tongala, Cobram. Whilst in the bottom teir you have berrigan, deni, and katunga all which will possibly be top 4 in the pdfl against what could be the 6 bottom sides. Hey love the discussion but don't know whether this will even things up ??
Do think the combination of both our ideas would be good.

[themagicfrog]

I have always said that this is the best option, the 30th club could also come from the likes of Rennie, or the Billabong Crows

[iwantanotherflag]

I have always said that this is the best option, the 30th club could also come from the likes of Rennie, or the Billabong Crows

If this goes ahead, you'd have to give the MFL a bit of notice... Finish bottom 3 and participate in div 2.

[theintimidator]

the splitting of this is always going to be difficult, for example United, Congupna and Finley I don't would have as much success as Moama in the last tens years, ie playing finals. Also up here in Echuca either Moama or United are generally strong not both at some time. In the middle teir I think you would find Blighty and Picola would get blown away by Tongala, Cobram. Whilst in the bottom teir you have berrigan, deni, and katunga all which will possibly be top 4 in the pdfl against what could be the 6 bottom sides. Hey love the discussion but don't know whether this will even things up ??
Do think the combination of both our ideas would be good.


First of all this was only an example of a three tier system I only based it on teams history/success from 06 and 07 seasons. Obviously the VCFL would need to spend more time looking into a ot more factors to decide the split such as long term success and a teams ability to compete and improve.

Secondly you believe that Cobram and Tongala would blow away a few of the teams in second division. But remember that Tongala are only a few years out of the GVFL and getting pumped in by most MFL clubs. So I dont think there is a big a difference as you think.

At the end of the day in any league there has to be winners and losers but with this system with promotion and relegation (which works very well in other sports and aussie rules in places) the competion will be as close as possible. Especially after a few years to sort itself out.

Im sure clubs such as Wunghnu,Katamatite, and Mathoura would prefer to play each other twice than to play Katandra, Dookie, Waaia, Tungamah Etc.

PTF you have posted an alternative to this which is an Professional Division and a Ameture Division. I think what you would find is that my 3 level system would effecivly sort the teams out in much the same way by default. The teams who dont recruit i:e katty, yarroweyah, Mathoura etc will find themselves in Div 3 and those who do recruit consistantly will end up in the higher Divs.

[themagicfrog]

this has been a topic for quite a while now, how do we get the message through to the VCFL?

[theintimidator]

this has been a topic for quite a while now, how do we get the message through to the VCFL?

We can start by getting as many people as possible to vote for it on this poll and then maybe send an email. I know somone who used to work in for the VCFL he may be able to direct us to the right person.

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First of all this was only an example of a three tier system I only based it on teams history/success from 06 and 07 seasons. Obviously the VCFL would need to spend more time looking into a ot more factors to decide the split such as long term success and a teams ability to compete and improve.

Secondly you believe that Cobram and Tongala would blow away a few of the teams in second division. But remember that Tongala are only a few years out of the GVFL and getting pumped in by most MFL clubs. So I dont think there is a big a difference as you think.

At the end of the day in any league there has to be winners and losers but with this system with promotion and relegation (which works very well in other sports and aussie rules in places) the competion will be as close as possible. Especially after a few years to sort itself out.

Im sure clubs such as Wunghnu,Katamatite, and Mathoura would prefer to play each other twice than to play Katandra, Dookie, Waaia, Tungamah Etc.

PTF you have posted an alternative to this which is an Professional Division and a Ameture Division. I think what you would find is that my 3 level system would effecivly sort the teams out in much the same way by default. The teams who dont recruit i:e katty, yarroweyah, Mathoura etc will find themselves in Div 3 and those who do recruit consistantly will end up in the higher Divs.

There is a huge difference between Tongala and Picola and I think I may have some idea.
Picola's only home grown talent that would go close to matching Tonny's home grown talent in the last 15 years would be Russel Deisel Byrnes.
Here's a few of Tonny's, Reid x3, M.Souter, B.Nexip, Campbell x 2, A.Brunt, S.Hansen, J.Trevaskis, Nunn x 3, Connally x 2, Connelly x 2, G.Atkins, Cox x 2 , B.Warburton, Geddes, Snelson !!!! oh and I forgot iwantanotherflag thats to start.
My concern is as much for my club as it is for the other clubs which are peeking and troughing, going through the past 10 years I reckon possibley 6-7 sides have spent up and played finals and then to fall away significantly. The only consistant finalist have been Katandra, Tungamah and Waaia, with Tunga missing last year and Waaia out in straight sets the last two seasons.
The best thing is it's creating interest !!!

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We can start by getting as many people as possible to vote for it on this poll and then maybe send an email. I know somone who used to work in for the VCFL he may be able to direct us to the right person.

The VCFL will not consider any recommendation from anyone other than their affliated leagues on matters such as this.
It needs to be bought up by the club delegates with the recommendation then forwarded onto the VCFL by the PDFL.

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The VCFL will not consider any recommendation from anyone other than their affliated leagues on matters such as this.
It needs to be bought up by the club delegates with the recommendation then forwarded onto the VCFL by the PDFL.
there surely has to be some pdfl teams that could get in div 1
mul deserve to be in div 3 the way they recuited and lost :confused:

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there surely has to be some pdfl teams that could get in div 1
mul deserve to be in div 3 the way they recuited and lost :confused:
I agree if sides in the Murray league were using solely home grown talent against say a Katandra's home grown talent yes it would be a great contest, the problem is most Murray league sides have a bigger population to draw from , $$$$ , I know $ 60,000 at least it not uncommon to be spent in the Murray League over a long period of time. I don't know of any PDFL club which could afford that sort of dough over a sustained period. Hey if I get a chance today I'll do some population stats of the towns involved both PDFL and MFL, and I'll also try to confirm the VCFL's position.

[theintimidator]

There is a huge difference between Tongala and Picola and I think I may have some idea.
Picola's only home grown talent that would go close to matching Tonny's home grown talent in the last 15 years would be Russel Deisel Byrnes.
Here's a few of Tonny's, Reid x3, M.Souter, B.Nexip, Campbell x 2, A.Brunt, S.Hansen, J.Trevaskis, Nunn x 3, Connally x 2, Connelly x 2, G.Atkins, Cox x 2 , B.Warburton, Geddes, Snelson !!!! oh and I forgot iwantanotherflag thats to start.
My concern is as much for my club as it is for the other clubs which are peeking and troughing, going through the past 10 years I reckon possibley 6-7 sides have spent up and played finals and then to fall away significantly. The only consistant finalist have been Katandra, Tungamah and Waaia, with Tunga missing last year and Waaia out in straight sets the last two seasons.
The best thing is it's creating interest !!!

Fair call there are some big names there but you must admit that Tongala's record in the murray league over the past 2 years has been dismall were they should be (by your theory) very competitive in a lower league than GV. Over the years I have seen/played practice/night series matches between MFL clubs and PDFL clubs and I strongly beleive that the top 5-6 Pdfl Clubs could compete against the bottom 2-3 MFL clubs. Sure Tongala may beat picola (as an example only) in this proposed div2 but do you think the score line would be as drastic as Strathy's season high 166 point win over Yarroweyah on saturday? or Katungas over Mathoura? My point is ,as I have said before, that there will be winners and losers but by using promotion/relegation surely it would be as even as possible!

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Fair call there are some big names there but you must admit that Tongala's record in the murray league over the past 2 years has been dismall were they should be (by your theory) very competitive in a lower league than GV. Over the years I have seen/played practice/night series matches between MFL clubs and PDFL clubs and I strongly beleive that the top 5-6 Pdfl Clubs could compete against the bottom 2-3 MFL clubs. Sure Tongala may beat picola (as an example only) in this proposed div2 but do you think the score line would be as drastic as Strathy's season high 166 point win over Yarroweyah on saturday? or Katungas over Mathoura? My point is ,as I have said before, that there will be winners and losers but by using promotion/relegation surely it would be as even as possible!
In short, yes. To give you an example I played in the 2000 PDFL rep side and then Echuca United in 2001 and as unbiased opinion the United side would have beaten the PDFL rep side from the previous year and the United side finished around 10th in the Murray league that season.
Back onto Tonny they are in complete rebuild stage with Roberts being their only recruit since been in the league, to my re-collection, and having played around 100 games with them and having played a similar amount in PDFL there is a huge difference, and based on where there at with their re-building I think we should be comparing them with sides that are going through a similar phase ie Katty, Yarraweah, Mathoura ???
Hey I'm glad there is a general feeling that the current system is no good, the more alternatives that get brought up the better, at least they might do something and get it right !!!!

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Well just got off the blower from a friend of a friend who is apparently in the know. In summary the VCFL has apparently received a number concerns from clubs within the GM and Southern NSW, re zoning. My gut feeling is that Rennie, Billabong Crows, Hay and Wakool may join the current PDFL clubs and two comps formed, with one being VCFL controlled and the other controlled by the NSW body, to counter difficulties NSW clubs face with inavailability to Government grants , Rep sides and the like. So intimadator we both may be well off. I did discuss both our thoughts and to be honest neither appeared to gain much interest. I think mainly due to the complication/ monitoring of my proposal and the concern of sides to and froing between comps in the relegation/derelegation proposal.
Who knows what will happen, but one thing that was stressed is that all recommendations must come via the League.

[Charles Mac]

Well just got off the blower from a friend of a friend who is apparently in the know. In summary the VCFL has apparently received a number concerns from clubs within the GM and Southern NSW, re zoning. My gut feeling is that Rennie, Billabong Crows, Hay and Wakool may join the current PDFL clubs and two comps formed, with one being VCFL controlled and the other controlled by the NSW body, to counter difficulties NSW clubs face with inavailability to Government grants , Rep sides and the like. So intimadator we both may be well off. I did discuss both our thoughts and to be honest neither appeared to gain much interest. I think mainly due to the complication/ monitoring of my proposal and the concern of sides to and froing between comps in the relegation/derelegation proposal.
Who knows what will happen, but one thing that was stressed is that all recommendations must come via the League.

There is no way the current NSW teams will be voting to establish such a league with the mentioned sides. I know that this is on the VCFL's agenda but i cannot see it happening. It would spell the end of footy in southern NSW. Both Hay and Wakool cannt field a 2nds side at the moment. Cannt see it happening, and from a Deni Rovers point of view i hope it doesnt happen. We need to stay under the VCFL banner IMO. Dont know if the division 1,2 and 3 would work either. Netball and Junior numbers is my only concern. I know you have been saying that clubs need to put more into their Junior development but if there are no Kids around playing football (be because of other sports of because of the drought etc) it is hard to develop what you havent got. Will be interesting to see how it shapes out.

[theintimidator]

There is no way the current NSW teams will be voting to establish such a league with the mentioned sides. I know that this is on the VCFL's agenda but i cannot see it happening. It would spell the end of footy in southern NSW. Both Hay and Wakool cannt field a 2nds side at the moment. Cannt see it happening, and from a Deni Rovers point of view i hope it doesnt happen. We need to stay under the VCFL banner IMO. Dont know if the division 1,2 and 3 would work either. Netball and Junior numbers is my only concern. I know you have been saying that clubs need to put more into their Junior development but if there are no Kids around playing football (be because of other sports of because of the drought etc) it is hard to develop what you havent got. Will be interesting to see how it shapes out.

I agree I beleive that a north/south - VIC/NSW system or a least a system divided geographicly was proposed when the CGVFL was disolved and they were talking about adding the likes of Yea. The propsal was rejected by the current PDFL members then and would be rejected again. This system of dividing clubs into divisions because of their geographical area would be the least fairest way of doing it out of all the proposed systems.

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There is no way the current NSW teams will be voting to establish such a league with the mentioned sides. I know that this is on the VCFL's agenda but i cannot see it happening. It would spell the end of footy in southern NSW. Both Hay and Wakool cannt field a 2nds side at the moment. Cannt see it happening, and from a Deni Rovers point of view i hope it doesnt happen. We need to stay under the VCFL banner IMO. Dont know if the division 1,2 and 3 would work either. Netball and Junior numbers is my only concern. I know you have been saying that clubs need to put more into their Junior development but if there are no Kids around playing football (be because of other sports of because of the drought etc) it is hard to develop what you havent got. Will be interesting to see how it shapes out.
I'm hearing u , even worst I think hay and Wakool might have one junior grade U16, which would be in direct opposition to the newly formed Deni U16 sides. Mind you I'd be dissapointed if the southern NSW sides didn't see this coming when Shepp East and Dookie came into the comp, and oppose it yet, that still went ahead, majority rules .:thumbsd::thumbsd::thumbsd::thumbsd:

[themagicfrog]

I'm hearing u , even worst I think hay and Wakool might have one junior grade U16, which would be in direct opposition to the newly formed Deni U16 sides. Mind you I'd be dissapointed if the southern NSW sides didn't see this coming when Shepp East and Dookie came into the comp, and oppose it yet, that still went ahead, majority rules .:thumbsd::thumbsd::thumbsd::thumbsd:

This came up and we all said a big NO!, Would be luckey to get a team (out of the four grades combined!) that would travel up to Hay. Berrigan is happy in VCFL and PDFL. I think the last proposal of this kind is on the PDFL thread.

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I agree I beleive that a north/south - VIC/NSW system or a least a system divided geographicly was proposed when the CGVFL was disolved and they were talking about adding the likes of Yea. The propsal was rejected by the current PDFL members then and would be rejected again. This system of dividing clubs into divisions because of their geographical area would be the least fairest way of doing it out of all the proposed systems.

A bit of info based on Geographic, before Berrigan joined the PDFL Tungamah was the only club more than 65 klms directly from Picola. All of the inclusion's since have been outside that distance. Interestingly 5 clubs which play in the KDFL, a similar standard to the PDFL are inside that distance Undera, Gig, Merrigum , Lancaster and Tally , and Stanhope are 67klms from Picola.

[iwantanotherflag]

Could this be an option? Using the 12 KDFL and 16 PDFL teams to make 2 leagues of 10 and 1 of 8? Leagues of 9 or 10 make 18 round seasons work properly as everyone plays everyone twice. I am sure another team could be found to make it a 9 team comp.

Comp 1
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tallygaroopna
Tungamah
Violet Town
Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan
Blighty
Deni Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura
Picola United
Strathmerton
Waaia
Yarroweyah

Comp 3
Ardmona
Avenel
Girgarre
Lancaster
Merrigum
Murchison
Nagambie
Rushworth
Stanhope
Undera

[Charles Mac]

Could this be an option? Using the 12 KDFL and 16 PDFL teams to make 2 leagues of 10 and 1 of 8? Leagues of 9 or 10 make 18 round seasons work properly as everyone plays everyone twice. I am sure another team could be found to make it a 9 team comp.

Comp 1
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tallygaroopna
Tungamah
Violet Town
Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan
Blighty
Deni Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura
Picola United
Strathmerton
Waaia
Yarroweyah

Comp 3
Ardmona
Avenel
Girgarre
Lancaster
Merrigum
Murchison
Nagambie
Rushworth
Stanhope
Undera


Looks ok. Here is another option. With KDFL, MFL and PDFL there is 40 or 41 teams(not to familar with all the leagues). With 40 clubs 4 leagues could be formed. 1 could be situated around Shep ie Tunga, Dookie, Shep East, dookie, Violet Town, Tonny, Congupna, Rumba, Tally and maybe one other. Based on the traditional Tungamah LEague. That would leave the traditional sides in the MFL the others in the KDFL. The PDFL would have 12 sides that have a longer affiliation with the league.

Just 1 idea. No doubt there will be many many more.

[Big Wheel]

Could this be an option? Using the 12 KDFL and 16 PDFL teams to make 2 leagues of 10 and 1 of 8? Leagues of 9 or 10 make 18 round seasons work properly as everyone plays everyone twice. I am sure another team could be found to make it a 9 team comp.

Comp 1
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tallygaroopna
Tungamah
Violet Town
Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan
Blighty
Deni Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura
Picola United
Strathmerton
Waaia
Yarroweyah

Comp 3
Ardmona
Avenel
Girgarre
Lancaster
Merrigum
Murchison
Nagambie
Rushworth
Stanhope
Undera


This is not a bad idea. Thank god we have you teaching the youth of today. I see you were in the best on the weekend champ..!! good work:thumbsu:

[theintimidator]

Could this be an option? Using the 12 KDFL and 16 PDFL teams to make 2 leagues of 10 and 1 of 8? Leagues of 9 or 10 make 18 round seasons work properly as everyone plays everyone twice. I am sure another team could be found to make it a 9 team comp.

Comp 1
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tallygaroopna
Tungamah
Violet Town
Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan
Blighty
Deni Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura
Picola United
Strathmerton
Waaia
Yarroweyah

Comp 3
Ardmona
Avenel
Girgarre
Lancaster
Merrigum
Murchison
Nagambie
Rushworth
Stanhope
Undera


I do like this idea its kind of going back to old Picola and Tungamah leagues of the late 80's early 90's. It definatly gets one point for fixing some of the travelling issues for some clubs (although some of the vic clubs in comp 2 may not see it that way). It gets a secong point for fixing the problem with the size of the current picola league. But it goes shy of getting a third point for evening up the competion particularly in "comp 1".

But this is the problem really isnt it? I see the three biggest issues when looking at re-structuring a league as

1. Making the amount of teams in the league managable i:e less than 16

2. Trying to keep the travelling down to a reasonable amount! (PTF your last example does this well)

3. Trying to keep the standard of teams in a league similar.

My 3 Div MFL/PDFL gets points for league size and competitvness but doesnt improve travelling (doesnt make it any worse though)

Does anyone have an idea that ticks all three boxes???

[iwantanotherflag]

I do like this idea its kind of going back to old Picola and Tungamah leagues of the late 80's early 90's. It definatly gets one point for fixing some of the travelling issues for some clubs (although some of the vic clubs in comp 2 may not see it that way). It gets a secong point for fixing the problem with the size of the current picola league. But it goes shy of getting a third point for evening up the competion particularly in "comp 1".

Comp 1 would be more even than you think. Wunghnu will struggle in any comp.

[sjwt]

I do like this idea its kind of going back to old Picola and Tungamah leagues of the late 80's early 90's. It definatly gets one point for fixing some of the travelling issues for some clubs (although some of the vic clubs in comp 2 may not see it that way). It gets a secong point for fixing the problem with the size of the current picola league. But it goes shy of getting a third point for evening up the competion particularly in "comp 1".

But this is the problem really isnt it? I see the three biggest issues when looking at re-structuring a league as

1. Making the amount of teams in the league managable i:e less than 16

2. Trying to keep the travelling down to a reasonable amount! (PTF your last example does this well)

3. Trying to keep the standard of teams in a league similar.

My 3 Div MFL/PDFL gets points for league size and competitvness but doesnt improve travelling (doesnt make it any worse though)

Does anyone have an idea that ticks all three boxes???


I saw a finals match between Picola and Shep east 1 or 2 years ago and i can tell you now form an honest opinion that they wouldnt be able too compete with the murray league clubs. We have too remember that the Murray league is classed as a major league and the Picola league as a minor league. i think that the Murray league is fine as it is. I wouldnt want a merger. Then you have too also think about the netballers because some clubs have stronger netballers then footballers etc this is why it would be too hard for the divisions too work

[pace to freeze]

Well heres another thought :
Current PDFL sides,
Berrigan, Tungamah, Jeriliderie, Katandra, Denis Rovers, Yarraweah, Waaia, Starthy, Katty, Dookie, Shepp East, Blighty, Wunghnu, Picola, Mathoura, Katunga

Possible additions based on leagues close to our border : Billabong Crows, Rennie in one direction Hay and Wakool in the opposite direction or some of the Bdfl sides the other way, honestly doubt any KDFL or HDFL would show an interest to move leagues ??

As a player who lives in Echuca, Hay is albeit as close as Jerilderie, 1/2 hour further than Berrigan, Dookie and Tungamah.

2 x 10 team comps
Comp 1
Hay, Rovers, Blighty, Wakool, Mathoura, Picola, Katunga, Yarraweah, Strathy, Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan, Shepp East, Katandra, Dookie, Waaia, Rennie, Tungamah, Billabong Crows, Jerilderie, Katty

or

2 x 9 team comps
Comp 1
Rovers, Blighty, Mathoura, Picola, Katunga, Yarraweah, Strathy, Wunghnu , Katty

Comp 2
Berrigan, Shepp East, Katandra, Dookie, Waaia, Rennie, Tungamah, Billabong Crows, Jerilderie,

Should reduce travel, Berrigan I have no conerns about competiting in comp 2, Jerilderie appear to be going ok, fair population, and I have no idea about Rennie, Billabong Crows to be honest so would be guided by others !!
Look may not suit all but whats the thoughts ??


Reduces travel , reduces amount of teams in one league, and based on the last ten years puts the 5 most sucessfull sides together with a side recently out of a major league, and 3 that I know very little about ???

[Rick Fortune]

Could this be an option? Using the 12 KDFL and 16 PDFL teams to make 2 leagues of 10 and 1 of 8? Leagues of 9 or 10 make 18 round seasons work properly as everyone plays everyone twice. I am sure another team could be found to make it a 9 team comp.

Comp 1
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tallygaroopna
Tungamah
Violet Town
Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan
Blighty
Deni Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura
Picola United
Strathmerton
Waaia
Yarroweyah

Comp 3
Ardmona
Avenel
Girgarre
Lancaster
Merrigum
Murchison
Nagambie
Rushworth
Stanhope
Undera

I like the look of that idea, personally.

[theintimidator]

I saw a finals match between Picola and Shep east 1 or 2 years ago and i can tell you now form an honest opinion that they wouldnt be able too compete with the murray league clubs. We have too remember that the Murray league is classed as a major league and the Picola league as a minor league. i think that the Murray league is fine as it is. I wouldnt want a merger. Then you have too also think about the netballers because some clubs have stronger netballers then footballers etc this is why it would be too hard for the divisions too work


My proposal doesnt put teams like Wunghnu up against Nathalia that would be a farce. We are talking about the top 6-7 PDFL against the bottom 2-3 MFL. As an example: Only a few short years ago Shepp East were competing against Rumba in the CDFL. And their record against each other was not too one sided. Now are you trying to tell me that Shepp east (Forgetting their Horror start to 2008) could not compete with the bottom MFL clubs that Rumba are current thumping???? I think you guys are under-rating PDFL and over rating MFL just a little. Of course the top MFL clubs would have no trouble taking care of most PDFL sides but its not the top MFL clubs that I am talking about.

[pace to freeze]

My proposal doesnt put teams like Wunghnu up against Nathalia that would be a farce. We are talking about the top 6-7 PDFL against the bottom 2-3 MFL. As an example: Only a few short years ago Shepp East were competing against Rumba in the CDFL. And their record against each other was not too one sided. Now are you trying to tell me that Shepp east (Forgetting their Horror start to 2008) could not compete with the bottom MFL clubs that Rumba are current thumping???? I think you guys are under-rating PDFL and over rating MFL just a little. Of course the top MFL clubs would have no trouble taking care of most PDFL sides but its not the top MFL clubs that I am talking about.
I agree with you in some respect but not totally, yes probably our top 2-3 would compete with the Murray bottom 2-3, the problem I see is that in our top 5, 3 of them, Deni,Dookie and Strathy, when in rebuilding phase 2 years ago struggled to be competitive in the PDFL. ????

[theintimidator]

I agree with you in some respect but not totally, yes probably our top 2-3 would compete with the Murray bottom 2-3, the problem I see is that in our top 5, 3 of them, Deni,Dookie and Strathy, when in rebuilding phase 2 years ago struggled to be competitive in the PDFL. ????

Yeah I understand what you are saying but thats where I beleive that the promotion/relegation system (when done correctly) could help keep the divisions as even as possible. As I have already pointed out there has to be Winners and Losers but I am sure that my proposed system (or somthing similar) would keep score lines more even, in general, than in the current PDFL set up. Surley your club (and I'm not having a dig, we were there last year) would prefer a league were they played clubs of a similar standard twice rather than playing Katandra, Dookie, Waaia etc

[Marto121]

I agree if sides in the Murray league were using solely home grown talent against say a Katandra's home grown talent yes it would be a great contest, the problem is most Murray league sides have a bigger population to draw from , $$$$ , I know $ 60,000 at least it not uncommon to be spent in the Murray League over a long period of time. I don't know of any PDFL club which could afford that sort of dough over a sustained period. Hey if I get a chance today I'll do some population stats of the towns involved both PDFL and MFL, and I'll also try to confirm the VCFL's position.

Agreed, it seems unfair that a town of 7,000 e.g. Cobram can compete against a town with a population of about 150! e.g Picola but there are a lot of good ideas that are being put across, but something does need to be done a 16 team comp is too big and is a lot of time between premierships for some clubs.

[cellar dweller]

Agreed, it seems unfair that a town of 7,000 e.g. Cobram can compete against a town with a population of about 150! e.g Picola but there are a lot of good ideas that are being put across, but something does need to be done a 16 team comp is too big and is a lot of time between premierships for some clubs.
You can strive to win it but its not what its all about. Might be why so many kids and people dont play football. Also why clubs throw money around so blindly. Change the culture of football and get people playing the game of football. It is a game you know. People used to go to the football and play the game for fun!
Then again it could all be because their all lazy!!

[sparra]

Could this be an option? Using the 12 KDFL and 16 PDFL teams to make 2 leagues of 10 and 1 of 8? Leagues of 9 or 10 make 18 round seasons work properly as everyone plays everyone twice. I am sure another team could be found to make it a 9 team comp.
Comp 1
Dookie United
Katamatite
Katandra
Shepparton East
Tallygaroopna
Tungamah
Violet Town
Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan
Blighty
Deni Rovers
Jerilderie
Katunga
Mathoura
Picola United
Strathmerton
Waaia
Yarroweyah

Comp 3
Ardmona
Avenel
Girgarre
Lancaster
Merrigum
Murchison
Nagambie
Rushworth
Stanhope
Undera

Well done Iwantanotherflog! You have finally done it.
Does look a lot like the old Tungamah, Picola and Kyabram Leagues, but then so it should.
As proud a club as they are, I am told Finley are on their knees and may not recover, so with that in mind add them to comp 2, and move Katunga to comp 1.
Mind you, my mob will feel like a punching bag - BDFL, Tungamah, GV Division 2(what a joke), CGFL, KDFL all in the last 20 years.

[theintimidator]

What about a 2 division system including the current 16 PDFL teams using promotion/relegation. Play a 21 game season and play everyone 3 times? Every second season do the promotions/relegations based on the previos 2 seasons Home & Away results....

Comments???

[pace to freeze]

What about a 2 division system including the current 16 PDFL teams using promotion/relegation. Play a 21 game season and play everyone 3 times? Every second season do the promotions/relegations based on the previos 2 seasons Home & Away results....

Comments???

Only problem is travel, from our clubs point of view, travelling to Berrigan has been extremely difficult to attract numbers and expect Jeriliderie even harder.

[Charles Mac]

What about a 2 division system including the current 16 PDFL teams using promotion/relegation. Play a 21 game season and play everyone 3 times? Every second season do the promotions/relegations based on the previos 2 seasons Home & Away results....

Comments???

Would the promotion / regulation be only based on the senior sides performance or on the club as a whole??

[theintimidator]

Only problem is travel, from our clubs point of view, travelling to Berrigan has been extremely difficult to attract numbers and expect Jeriliderie even harder.

But it wouldnt increase the amount of travel because it uses the current PDFL teams. At least with a more even comp you wouldnt have the situation of travelling to a far away team to be pumped by 25 goals+.

[theintimidator]

Would the promotion / regulation be only based on the senior sides performance or on the club as a whole??

I beleive in basing it on the senior sides but I guess using the club championship could also work. Usually when you have a really strong senior side your reserves are strong as well. Netball and Junior Football are a little harder to find the link but success breeds success around a club so I dont think itll be a problem.

[pace to freeze]

But it wouldnt increase the amount of travel because it uses the current PDFL teams. At least with a more even comp you wouldnt have the situation of travelling to a far away team to be pumped by 25 goals+.
I hear what your saying just think it would be great if we could reduce travel and even the contest up, maybe less travel could assist in gaining more juniors and more regular two's players ???
As even though we haven't got a thirds side this season and the sides we play have the option to play their thirds players against us, some still appear to be struggling with numbers in the two's ???

[theintimidator]

I hear what your saying just think it would be great if we could reduce travel and even the contest up, maybe less travel could assist in gaining more juniors and more regular two's players ???
As even though we haven't got a thirds side this season and the sides we play have the option to play their thirds players against us, some still appear to be struggling with numbers in the two's ???

Yes the travel thing is an issue. But I am of the opinion that its easier to recruit players (or just get your listed players to turn up) when your team looks like having a win or at least being competitve. For example strathy 2nds struggled to fill a side most weeks in 2007 but after a really positive off season and a solid pre-season from the club in general we have found ourselve with 6-8 players on the bench in the 2's each week so far.(no 3rds) I have played in other sports where promotion/relegation works really well to keep things as level as possible and keeps players keen and interested in turning up each week. After all wouldnt you prefer to finish 4th in 2nd division PDFL than 12th in the current set-up???

[BULLET!]

Well heres another thought :
Current PDFL sides,
Berrigan, Tungamah, Jeriliderie, Katandra, Denis Rovers, Yarraweah, Waaia, Starthy, Katty, Dookie, Shepp East, Blighty, Wunghnu, Picola, Mathoura, Katunga

Possible additions based on leagues close to our border : Billabong Crows, Rennie in one direction Hay and Wakool in the opposite direction or some of the Bdfl sides the other way, honestly doubt any KDFL or HDFL would show an interest to move leagues ??

As a player who lives in Echuca, Hay is albeit as close as Jerilderie, 1/2 hour further than Berrigan, Dookie and Tungamah.

2 x 10 team comps
Comp 1
Hay, Rovers, Blighty, Wakool, Mathoura, Picola, Katunga, Yarraweah, Strathy, Wunghnu

Comp 2
Berrigan, Shepp East, Katandra, Dookie, Waaia, Rennie, Tungamah, Billabong Crows, Jerilderie, Katty

or

2 x 9 team comps
Comp 1
Rovers, Blighty, Mathoura, Picola, Katunga, Yarraweah, Strathy, Wunghnu , Katty

Comp 2
Berrigan, Shepp East, Katandra, Dookie, Waaia, Rennie, Tungamah, Billabong Crows, Jerilderie,

Should reduce travel, Berrigan I have no conerns about competiting in comp 2, Jerilderie appear to be going ok, fair population, and I have no idea about Rennie, Billabong Crows to be honest so would be guided by others !!
Look may not suit all but whats the thoughts ??


Reduces travel , reduces amount of teams in one league, and based on the last ten years puts the 5 most sucessfull sides together with a side recently out of a major league, and 3 that I know very little about ???

cant really have that, rennie arent very god and struggle every single week as well as bb crows they dont even have a 3rds team and when we play their 1sts in a praccy match they didnt go to well , went down by at least 15 goals i think...

[iwantanotherflag]

Don't worry guys. Someone has suggested that we merge the GVFL, MFL, PDFL, KDFL and make a super-comp! 12 + 13 + 16 + 12 = 53 teams! Play in 5 divisions! That is the answer we have all been looking for!!

Some of this weeks big games in the Goulburn-Murray-Edwards (Notice that Shepparton is smack in the middle?) FL.

Mansfield Vs Deni Rams
Mulwala Vs Rochy
Avenel V Jerilderie
Berrigan V Rushworth

Coming to a ground near you.

This league proudly sponsored by BP, Shell, Caltex, Mobil!!!! :D

PS. I know I have bought up some ordinary stuff on here... but please!

[theintimidator]

Don't worry guys. Someone has suggested that we merge the GVFL, MFL, PDFL, KDFL and make a super-comp! 12 + 13 + 16 + 12 = 53 teams! Play in 5 divisions! That is the answer we have all been looking for!!

Some of this weeks big games in the Goulburn-Murray-Edwards (Notice that Shepparton is smack in the middle?) FL.

Mansfield Vs Deni Rams
Mulwala Vs Rochy
Avenel V Jerilderie
Berrigan V Rushworth

Coming to a ground near you.

This league proudly sponsored by BP, Shell, Caltex, Mobil!!!! :D

PS. I know I have bought up some ordinary stuff on here... but please!

Ha ha Was this actually suggested somwhere or are you just taking the piss? On Bigfooty?

[iwantanotherflag]

Yeah, Murray League forum.

[pace to freeze]

Well I know it has been put on the table before, but beleive there is being a bit of noise being made for a Echuca District League to be reformed.

Possible Clubs
Rovers
Mathoura
Leitchville-Gunbower
LBU
Moama
United
Koondrook
Cohuna
Pyramid Hill


If all the clubs agree and the current leagues would agree the comp will happen, if my info's correct might be sooner rather than later as most are in agreeance ???

[Hand Grenade]

G'day PDFL people. I am connected to the Rennie FC. Rumours flying around our club are of an unofficial approach to us to consider joining a Northern Picola League (predominantly NSW with a few clubs just over the river into VIC). This is a very attractive proposition to us - most of our players are drawn from Yarrawonga/Mulwala, and we are not enjoying the Hume League (travel, the floggings, being unwelcome, etc). For those posters who have intimated that we are not strong, well we'd back ourselves to match maybe beat Jerilderie and Berrigan so you be the judge of where we're at against the rest of you. We have no problems fielding teams in the 2nds, 3rds and 4ths either. We don't believe that the NSWAFL are being proactive enough in addressing the issues facing a number of NSW Clubs and believe that for survival, we have to find a viable competition ourselves.

There's some info on our situation anyway. I'd be interested to hear what any of you might know or think about this proposed Northern PDFL?

[pace to freeze]

G'day PDFL people. I am connected to the Rennie FC. Rumours flying around our club are of an unofficial approach to us to consider joining a Northern Picola League (predominantly NSW with a few clubs just over the river into VIC). This is a very attractive proposition to us - most of our players are drawn from Yarrawonga/Mulwala, and we are not enjoying the Hume League (travel, the floggings, being unwelcome, etc). For those posters who have intimated that we are not strong, well we'd back ourselves to match maybe beat Jerilderie and Berrigan so you be the judge of where we're at against the rest of you. We have no problems fielding teams in the 2nds, 3rds and 4ths either. We don't believe that the NSWAFL are being proactive enough in addressing the issues facing a number of NSW Clubs and believe that for survival, we have to find a viable competition ourselves. There's some info on our situation anyway. I'd be interested to hear what any of you might know or think about this proposed Northern PDFL?

Hand Grenade in case you don't know I'm connected with Mathoura and being the most western club, yet in NSW , the option of creating a NSW club based competition is not welcolmed, reasons being that the introduction of the eastern clubs , Berrigan, Jerilderie, Dookie and now the proposal of yourselves signinficantly increases travel which has been found to deter players from playing within this league and juniors playing at all significantly. In saying that it has been indicated that the VCFL certainly has this upon their minds.
This option has been discussed at some length within this board and the most significant factors agreed by most that the league needs to address are :
- Decrease travel
- Decrease the amount of clubs within one comp.
- Try to place sides with similar populations and playing drawing population within the same comp.

I don't want to see the league head further east/north and think Picola should have remained as the geometrical centre of the league, and perhaps further investigation should have been made before some recent changes / introductions, which has seen the league move further east / north but hey I am completely biased, no doubt about it.
Given that all the recent additions have been well east of the leagues previous boundary, Tunga is exception, maybe they should have considered a league for all those clubs, especially given that your league and the Benalla and District don't really have enough clubs within them ???

[Hand Grenade]

Pace to Freeze, good and interesting to read your reply. On the Benalla & District comp, that was considered by Rennie a few years back. But there are teams in that comp a very long way to our south (don't even know where exactly they are!), we don't believe those southern clubs want to travel up to us, and thirdly, we felt that comp was headed in the direction of the old CDFL - not far off folding.

Understand your concerns with Mathoura to the west and not wanting any more travel to the east and north. Our problem is that the Hume League clubs dont want us because we are too far west!!! Ideally, we would have loved to have expanded the old CDFL comp by adding the likes of Berrigan and Blighty. But we have/had no right to do that or expect those clubs to come to us. I wouldn't think we add too much to your travel (compared to Berrigan and Tunga) but it is fair old hike from Rennie to Mathoura.

Our situation is this: the HFL President has already (unofficially) advised us to look west (a nice way of saying piss off). The top clubs in that comp are too big - we can't compete with them and will lose players if they have to face up to floggings like that in the future. We see a lot of clubs in the PDFL potentially at the same level in size and standard - we want to play like minded and similar sized district clubs. We want to play in an even comp that we might at some stage see some hope of building up and having a crack at a flag before bottoming out again - a fair cycle for clubs in an even comp. We feel that we are not in a position to dictate terms on the structure of any new competition/s, but have decided to take a proactive approach by looking towards your comp (or at least some of your current comp) to ensure the ongoing future of our great little club.

We'll see what happens eh? In the meantime, good luck to your club for 2008 and beyond.

[pace to freeze]

Pace to Freeze, good and interesting to read your reply. On the Benalla & District comp, that was considered by Rennie a few years back. But there are teams in that comp a very long way to our south (don't even know where exactly they are!), we don't believe those southern clubs want to travel up to us, and thirdly, we felt that comp was headed in the direction of the old CDFL - not far off folding.

Understand your concerns with Mathoura to the west and not wanting any more travel to the east and north. Our problem is that the Hume League clubs dont want us because we are too far west!!! Ideally, we would have loved to have expanded the old CDFL comp by adding the likes of Berrigan and Blighty. But we have/had no right to do that or expect those clubs to come to us. I wouldn't think we add too much to your travel (compared to Berrigan and Tunga) but it is fair old hike from Rennie to Mathoura.

Our situation is this: the HFL President has already (unofficially) advised us to look west (a nice way of saying piss off). The top clubs in that comp are too big - we can't compete with them and will lose players if they have to face up to floggings like that in the future. We see a lot of clubs in the PDFL potentially at the same level in size and standard - we want to play like minded and similar sized district clubs. We want to play in an even comp that we might at some stage see some hope of building up and having a crack at a flag before bottoming out again - a fair cycle for clubs in an even comp. We feel that we are not in a position to dictate terms on the structure of any new competition/s, but have decided to take a proactive approach by looking towards your comp (or at least some of your current comp) to ensure the ongoing future of our great little club.

We'll see what happens eh? In the meantime, good luck to your club for 2008 and beyond.

I appreciate your situation Grenade, but hopefully you can understand the recent inclusions have done to our club, and those in a similar situation, exactly what you have indicated you don't want top happen to your club. ie playing against clubs from major towns and increased travel , which has affected our junior numbers, so much to the stage that the past two years have been a real struggle with numbers, in the u17's and this season we have failed to be able to get enough numbers to play an u17's side.

For us the last 4 inclusions into the league, Dookie, Shepp East, Berrigan and Jerilderie are all now over an hours trek at least and are within the five furtherest clubs we have to travel to. I guess it does not help when over the past 2 seasons we've played at Dookie 3 times, Shepp East twice, yet they have both only played at Mathoura once and this year our only game with Jerilderie is away, Berrigan I think is about right ???

[pace to freeze]

Hey Grenade what would you think of this comp. do you think you would be competitive.

Comp 1
Rovers, Blighty, Mathoura, Picola, Katunga, Yarraweah, Strathy, Wunghnu , Katty

Comp 2
Berrigan, Shepp East, Katandra, Dookie, Waaia, Rennie, Tungamah, Billabong Crows, Jerilderie,


With you guys now showing what was already predicticted as an interest in joining our leagues clubs in a comp. would the Billabong Crows also. Iwantanotherflag and intimidator what are your thoughts on all this , based solely on forming two comps within the pdfl plus Rennie and Billabong Crows, especially with travel in mind ??

[Hand Grenade]

Hey Grenade what would you think of this comp. do you think you would be competitive.

Comp 1
Rovers, Blighty, Mathoura, Picola, Katunga, Yarraweah, Strathy, Wunghnu , Katty

Comp 2
Berrigan, Shepp East, Katandra, Dookie, Waaia, Rennie, Tungamah, Billabong Crows, Jerilderie,

?

Hard to say ptf. Don't know much about Shepp E, Katandra or Dookie. I do know that those clubs would probably go off their tits about travelling up to Oaklands or even worse, Urana (Crows). Wouldn't you (as Mathoura) prefer travelling to Waaia instead of Katamatite which is just down the road from most of us at Yarra/Mul? You don't like any travel over an hour - there's some 2 hour trips in comp 2. However, Rennie are in no position to dictate terms so I guess we would have to look at what was put on the table. On current form I could only see us beating Berrigan and Jerilderie but a good comp is all about cycles isn't it so we might at least have a chance to build up and be competitive which is not the case in the HFL.

A word of warning on Billabong Crows though. It is a merger which is not working. In recent months a number of Oaklands people have approached Rennie on the quiet seeking a merger, and disbanding their link with Urana. Rennie want no part of it or them. A lot of their players are good blokes (like anywhere else) but as a club they are very difficult to deal with. The PDFL would want to be careful in dealing with them and they have a recent history of burning you.

[theintimidator]

Hey Grenade what would you think of this comp. do you think you would be competitive.

Comp 1
Rovers, Blighty, Mathoura, Picola, Katunga, Yarraweah, Strathy, Wunghnu , Katty

Comp 2
Berrigan, Shepp East, Katandra, Dookie, Waaia, Rennie, Tungamah, Billabong Crows, Jerilderie,


With you guys now showing what was already predicticted as an interest in joining our leagues clubs in a comp. would the Billabong Crows also. Iwantanotherflag and intimidator what are your thoughts on all this , based solely on forming two comps within the pdfl plus Rennie and Billabong Crows, especially with travel in mind ??

Initially I laughed at your attempt to break the league into 2 .... I looked at some of the choices you have made such as putting berrigan in comp 2 who would have to drive through katamatite (comp 1) to play shepp east and thought it was a ridiculous set up....

Then I tried myself and realised just how hard it would be slit this wide reaching league into 2 comps with roughly the same numbers while keeping everone happy. I plotted all the towns on a map, I made measurments, drew lines from the most northerly to the most southerly and likewise east to west. I jotted down about 5 different options and all of them made no sense at the end of the day. The real trouble came from the most northerly clubs. Deni, Blighty, Berrigan, Jerrilderie and the proposed Rennie. These clubs made the split extremely hard as the most obvious split seems to be along the lines of a nsw and vic comp but to keep the numbers close to even some vic teams i:e strathy, yarroweyah and katunga would most likly have to go in the northern comp. I for one would not support that move and I know our club would not. In conclusion it can not be done while keeping everyone happy!!!!

[theintimidator]

Pace to Freeze, good and interesting to read your reply. On the Benalla & District comp, that was considered by Rennie a few years back. But there are teams in that comp a very long way to our south (don't even know where exactly they are!), we don't believe those southern clubs want to travel up to us, and thirdly, we felt that comp was headed in the direction of the old CDFL - not far off folding.

Understand your concerns with Mathoura to the west and not wanting any more travel to the east and north. Our problem is that the Hume League clubs dont want us because we are too far west!!! Ideally, we would have loved to have expanded the old CDFL comp by adding the likes of Berrigan and Blighty. But we have/had no right to do that or expect those clubs to come to us. I wouldn't think we add too much to your travel (compared to Berrigan and Tunga) but it is fair old hike from Rennie to Mathoura.

Our situation is this: the HFL President has already (unofficially) advised us to look west (a nice way of saying piss off). The top clubs in that comp are too big - we can't compete with them and will lose players if they have to face up to floggings like that in the future. We see a lot of clubs in the PDFL potentially at the same level in size and standard - we want to play like minded and similar sized district clubs. We want to play in an even comp that we might at some stage see some hope of building up and having a crack at a flag before bottoming out again - a fair cycle for clubs in an even comp. We feel that we are not in a position to dictate terms on the structure of any new competition/s, but have decided to take a proactive approach by looking towards your comp (or at least some of your current comp) to ensure the ongoing future of our great little club.

We'll see what happens eh? In the meantime, good luck to your club for 2008 and beyond.

Hand Grenade. Im not sure how far back you have read in this forum but I have floated an idea of spliting the leauge into 2 divisions based on standard with the possibility of promotion/relegation between the 2 divisions.

Do you beleive your club would be more viable in the long run in a second division PDFL where they may have to travel further occationally but be competitve against most clubs OR do you beleive limiting travel is a bigger
concern in keeping players?

I persoanlly would prefer to travel 1.5 hrs for a win than 20 min to get pumped!

[pace to freeze]

Hey Grenade what would you think of this comp. do you think you would be competitive.

Comp 1
Rovers, Blighty, Mathoura, Picola, Katunga, Yarraweah, Strathy, Wunghnu , Katty

Comp 2
Berrigan, Shepp East, Katandra, Dookie, Waaia, Rennie, Tungamah, Billabong Crows, Jerilderie,


With you guys now showing what was already predicticted as an interest in joining our leagues clubs in a comp. would the Billabong Crows also. Iwantanotherflag and intimidator what are your thoughts on all this , based solely on forming two comps within the pdfl plus Rennie and Billabong Crows, especially with travel in mind ??

Hand Grenade. Im not sure how far back you have read in this forum but I have floated an idea of spliting the leauge into 2 divisions based on standard with the possibility of promotion/relegation between the 2 divisions.

Do you beleive your club would be more viable in the long run in a second division PDFL where they may have to travel further occationally but be competitve against most clubs OR do you beleive limiting travel is a bigger
concern in keeping players?

I persoanlly would prefer to travel 1.5 hrs for a win than 20 min to get pumped!

The other difficulty you also get is that there have predominately been 3 power sides in the PDFL over the past 10 years, Tunga, Katandra and Waaia, whilst Shepp East and Dookie also appear on their way to that group. Which makes 5 , Berrigan have recently come down from the MFL appear back on track, especially with the strength of their juniors , so that could make 6. The rest over the past 10 years, at least , have had little cracks but been unable to sustain it over a long period of time. Realistically each comp would need minimum of 8 sides ??? We have not played Jeriliderie so know nothing of whether they have the potential to compete against these sides, nor do I know anything of Rennie , Billabong crows.

[Hand Grenade]

Hand Grenade. Im not sure how far back you have read in this forum but I have floated an idea of spliting the leauge into 2 divisions based on standard with the possibility of promotion/relegation between the 2 divisions.

Do you beleive your club would be more viable in the long run in a second division PDFL where they may have to travel further occationally but be competitve against most clubs OR do you beleive limiting travel is a bigger
concern in keeping players?

I persoanlly would prefer to travel 1.5 hrs for a win than 20 min to get pumped!

That is a very good question which applies not only to my club, but many others. I think most importantly my club (Rennie) is looking to play similarly sized and standard clubs. We want to play in a comp where there are no power ($) clubs that you know year in year out will win the flag because they can buy in the quality imports and draw upon a much larger population. We want a comp with cycles - you can bottom out and play the kids but if you build up nicely, keep your players, get a good coach and top up with a few quality players then you can at least have a shot. A bit like the AFL thanks to the draft (where the 2000 GF teams the Dees and Dons and now at the bottom thansk to that cycle). Pie in the sky stuff maybe.

Rennie people miss the simplicity of the Coreen League where most clubs were a short drive away, they were neighbours (related in some cases) and the comp was even enough. While those days are probably gone, we would love to see something along the lines of some clubs from the PDFL coming into a comp with the old Coreen League clubs. Call the comp whatever you like. We want to play our near neighbours. I also think that the old CDFL Clubs would be evenly matched with a number of your PDFL Clubs north of the border.

But if we can't, we want to play clubs at a similar standard and if we have to travel a bit more than so be it. I believe that the players are mainly concerned with the travel factor. I think that the people running the clubs (committee) see the bigger picture (or they should) and would prefer a more even comp because it is a battle to recruit and maintain players in good numbers if they are going to get pumped year in year out.

As an older bloke I would prefer to travel a bit further and play in a more even comp. That is why I like the sound of your 2 division relegation/promotion proposal. But I am only expressing my opinion on all of this - the Rennie Committee may come back with something else.

I must say though that one of your clubs approached us to consider coming across. However, we are very open to it. Although all clubs are not going to happy with any proposed changes to your comp, obviously something isn't quite right or some clubs aren't happy with the current structure?

[theintimidator]

That is a very good question which applies not only to my club, but many others. I think most importantly my club (Rennie) is looking to play similarly sized and standard clubs. We want to play in a comp where there are no power ($) clubs that you know year in year out will win the flag because they can buy in the quality imports and draw upon a much larger population. We want a comp with cycles - you can bottom out and play the kids but if you build up nicely, keep your players, get a good coach and top up with a few quality players then you can at least have a shot. A bit like the AFL thanks to the draft (where the 2000 GF teams the Dees and Dons and now at the bottom thansk to that cycle). Pie in the sky stuff maybe.

Rennie people miss the simplicity of the Coreen League where most clubs were a short drive away, they were neighbours (related in some cases) and the comp was even enough. While those days are probably gone, we would love to see something along the lines of some clubs from the PDFL coming into a comp with the old Coreen League clubs. Call the comp whatever you like. We want to play our near neighbours. I also think that the old CDFL Clubs would be evenly matched with a number of your PDFL Clubs north of the border.

But if we can't, we want to play clubs at a similar standard and if we have to travel a bit more than so be it. I believe that the players are mainly concerned with the travel factor. I think that the people running the clubs (committee) see the bigger picture (or they should) and would prefer a more even comp because it is a battle to recruit and maintain players in good numbers if they are going to get pumped year in year out.

As an older bloke I would prefer to travel a bit further and play in a more even comp. That is why I like the sound of your 2 division relegation/promotion proposal. But I am only expressing my opinion on all of this - the Rennie Committee may come back with something else.

I must say though that one of your clubs approached us to consider coming across. However, we are very open to it. Although all clubs are not going to happy with any proposed changes to your comp, obviously something isn't quite right or some clubs aren't happy with the current structure?


I quess its a good problem to have too many clubs when many leagues are struggling. I think this whole idea of PDFL re-structure was re-iggnited when the unevenness of a 16 side 18 round season was pointed out when the draw was announced. Some team drew to play 3 traditionnally strong teams twice and some drew 3 traditionally weak teams. The impact of this can be seen by shepp easts start to the season. All in all I believe the PDFL is going pretty well this year and I'm sorry to say HG but if it was put to the clubs weather rennie were to join the league I beleive the answer would be an over-whelming NO! However it seems the VCFL are consulting the clubs less and less these days!

[pace to freeze]

Finally compiled a bit of info re-distances travelled by clubs within the PDFL. Info is klms travelled to every other club within the league based on where is, does not include Blighty as where is could not find it.

Rovers 1639.9
mathoura 1502.6
jerilderie 1501.7
berrigan 1140.6
dookie 1093.8
shepp east 1055.3
tungamah 944.0
katandra 925.0
picola 900.9
waaia 780.8
wunghnu 745.0
strathmerton 723.0
yarroweyah 720.4
kattamatite 710.0
katunga 676.0

The 3 longest treks are : Rovers - Dookie 179.8 klms, Rovers - Shepp East 166.7 klms, and Rovers - Katandra 161.8 klms.

[Doobie Renshaw]

I'm hearing whispers of a northern and southern Picola Leage, Northern comp including Mathoura, Deni, Blighty, Jerilderie, Berrigan, Rennie, Billabong, Coleambally, Hay and Finley (as real possibilities), plus some PDFL clubs just over the river in VIC such as Yarroweyah & Strathy.

Thoughts anyone?

[pace to freeze]

Heard a recent whisper, which I might be able to confirm next week which will reflect on a number of PDFL matters, will announce on the main thread if not done by some body else. Cheers

[theintimidator]

Finally compiled a bit of info re-distances travelled by clubs within the PDFL. Info is klms travelled to every other club within the league based on where is, does not include Blighty as where is could not find it.

Rovers 1639.9
mathoura 1502.6
jerilderie 1501.7
berrigan 1140.6
dookie 1093.8
shepp east 1055.3
tungamah 944.0
katandra 925.0
picola 900.9
waaia 780.8
wunghnu 745.0
strathmerton 723.0
yarroweyah 720.4
kattamatite 710.0
katunga 676.0

The 3 longest treks are : Rovers - Dookie 179.8 klms, Rovers - Shepp East 166.7 klms, and Rovers - Katandra 161.8 klms.

Wow good work I'm impressed. You must have a lot of spare time must of taken hours!

[theintimidator]

I'm hearing whispers of a northern and southern Picola Leage, Northern comp including Mathoura, Deni, Blighty, Jerilderie, Berrigan, Rennie, Billabong, Coleambally, Hay and Finley (as real possibilities), plus some PDFL clubs just over the river in VIC such as Yarroweyah & Strathy.

Thoughts anyone?

I beleive it's I good idea on the whole, one that has been mentioned a few times before, but the proposed VIC clubs i:e strathy and yarroweyah would certainly demand to play in the VIC leauge. I could see clubs such as Finley, Deni, Berrigan and maybe Jerrilderie dominating on a regular basis due to the size of their towns?

[iwantanotherflag]

Mathoura, Deni, Blighty, Jerilderie, Berrigan, Rennie, Billabong, Coleambally, Hay and Finley (10 teams)

If you had that group of teams together you wouldn't need any Victorian sides. 10 teams is the perfect comp size. 9 is pretty good too, everyone gets to play everyone twice. 8 teams could be also be managed, by playing a neighbouring rival 3 times for the year.

That would leave:

Dookie United, Katandra, Katamatite, Katunga, Picola United, Yarroweyah, Wunghnu, Shepp East, Strathmerton, Tungamah, Waaia. (11 teams)

Yep, its decided go with that plan for 2009, no need for any further debate :)

[pace to freeze]

Mathoura, Deni, Blighty, Jerilderie, Berrigan, Rennie, Billabong, Coleambally, Hay and Finley (10 teams)

If you had that group of teams together you wouldn't need any Victorian sides. 10 teams is the perfect comp size. 9 is pretty good too, everyone gets to play everyone twice. 8 teams could be also be managed, by playing a neighbouring rival 3 times for the year.

That would leave:

Dookie United, Katandra, Katamatite, Katunga, Picola United, Yarroweyah, Wunghnu, Shepp East, Strathmerton, Tungamah, Waaia. (11 teams)

Yep, its decided go with that plan for 2009, no need for any further debate :)
Based on that Mathoura has one trip under 80 klms yet in the other comp no-one has to travel further than 80 klms ? :D:D:D

[themagicfrog]

Mathoura, Deni, Blighty, Jerilderie, Berrigan, Rennie, Billabong, Coleambally, Hay and Finley (10 teams)

If you had that group of teams together you wouldn't need any Victorian sides. 10 teams is the perfect comp size. 9 is pretty good too, everyone gets to play everyone twice. 8 teams could be also be managed, by playing a neighbouring rival 3 times for the year.

That would leave:

Dookie United, Katandra, Katamatite, Katunga, Picola United, Yarroweyah, Wunghnu, Shepp East, Strathmerton, Tungamah, Waaia. (11 teams)

Yep, its decided go with that plan for 2009, no need for any further debate :)

Again please leave out Hay, No one wants to go there, and will Finley want to take that drop down, having a bad year this one but have the pop to recover.
But all in all I think it's on the right track as long as it stay a VCFL comp

[Charles Mac]

mathoura, Deni, Blighty, Jerilderie, Berrigan, Rennie, Billabong, Coleambally, Hay And Finley (10 Teams)

If You Had That Group Of Teams Together You Wouldn't Need Any Victorian Sides. 10 Teams Is The Perfect Comp Size. 9 Is Pretty Good Too, Everyone Gets To Play Everyone Twice. 8 Teams Could Be Also Be Managed, By Playing A Neighbouring Rival 3 Times For The Year.

That Would Leave:

dookie United, Katandra, Katamatite, Katunga, Picola United, Yarroweyah, Wunghnu, Shepp East, Strathmerton, Tungamah, Waaia. (11 Teams)

Yep, Its Decided Go With That Plan For 2009, No Need For Any Further
Debate :)


No No No...

[Doobie Renshaw]

Again please leave out Hay, No one wants to go there, and will Finley want to take that drop down, having a bad year this one but have the pop to recover.
But all in all I think it's on the right track as long as it stay a VCFL comp

A person from within NSWAFL told me this much (take it or leave it - don't know how influential he is or how accurate this is):

On Hay - They are applying pressure for Hay to be in a comp over to its south and east.

On Finley - They are waving the white flag and are looking at options in a "weaker" league.

On VCFL Competitions - They want NSW based clubs in NSW run competitions and are keen to enforce that in the future.

[theintimidator]

Based on that Mathoura has one trip under 80 klms yet in the other comp no-one has to travel further than 80 klms ? :D:D:D

Unfortunatly P2F thats just mathouras bad choice for putting their town there.... No really as much as you might dislike the idea I think its one of the best yet and I believe it would have 100% support from the 11 victorian clubs. Mathoura are just geographicly dis-advantaged cant do much about it... maybe save up for a bus? ;)

[Hand Grenade]

Heard a recent whisper, which I might be able to confirm next week which will reflect on a number of PDFL matters, will announce on the main thread if not done by some body else. Cheers

What was the whisper P2F?

And Charles Mac - why the "No No No ..." ?

[gorillaman]

the no no no was because he is right, old picola league waiaa, deni, katunga, the u, hoppers, mathoura, picola, blighty.. all these other sides need to way up there options, they couldnt cut it in there other leagues they think they can walk in ours and think they run the show, let me tell you if this does get cut in half we along with all the other nsw clubs will vote strathy for our option also because it is the next closer for all sides.. and i cant wait to play them again.. and you intimidator,

[pace to freeze]

What was the whisper P2F?

And Charles Mac - why the "No No No ..." ?

Want to get as many facts as possible before saying anything, hopefully by days end ??

the no no no was because he is right, old picola league waiaa, deni, katunga, the u, hoppers, mathoura, picola, blighty..
Interesting gorillaman, must say I don't remember the PDFL in that format but, that would leave Strathy, happy intimidator mentioned you guys first :D, Katandra, Tungamah, Katty, Berrigan, Shepp East, Dookie, Jerilderie not far off your prediction Iwantanotherflag ??

If others are right put Finley in gorillamans comp and Rennie in the other comp, and you have 2x 9 side per comps. Probably wouldn't mind that, but not what I'm hearing !!!

[pace to freeze]

Have tried to get the VCFL, to confirm any the following on the record but aren't real forthcoming !
However, my info is :
The VCFL and the PDFL are some way down the track and have had a number of discussions re-zoning etc.
The VCFL has received interest from Finley,Hay, Wakool, Leitchville-Gunbower to move from their current leagues and the VCFL has a keen interest in disbanding the Coreen, and Benalla District leagues and are looking at cleaning all issues up whilst sorting out the PDFL issues.
Not all within the PDFL are in agreeance as to the preferred set-up yet, and there are a number of strong opinions on the subject, with the biggest difference of opinion being the controlling body(ies) of the new set-up, with the VCFL strongly wanting two seperate indentity's, not 2 PDFL comps controlled by the one body.
The HDFL, Murray and KDFL leagues are considered off limits as they are happy where they are at and so is the VCFL.
One option which is currently receiving support is comp 1. All clubs west of the gv and newell highways play in the PDFL comp, all those to the east play in a east comp, which the VCFL is aware may force mergers amongst the coreen and benalla league clubs. Those which are based upon those roads may be placed in either comp.
The VCFL wishes to maintain control of all clubs currently within the VCFL and would obviously hope that the 2 newly formed leagues remain VCFL affliated.
The VCFL beleive they are nearing an announcement, with or without the PDFL's input, which may see changes as early as season 2009.

So the west league would look something like
Leitchville-Gunbower, Hay, Wakool, Deni Rovers, Blighty, Picola, Waaia, Strathmerton, Finley, Mathoura, Yarroweyah, Jerilderie

The east league would be something like
Tungamah, Katandra, Katunga, Wunghnu, Shepp East, Dookie, Kattamatite, and the coreen and benalla league clubs, sorry not sure of them all.

Personally don't like it a great deal !!!

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[theintimidator]

Have tried to get the VCFL, to confirm any the following on the record but aren't real forthcoming !
However, my info is :
The VCFL and the PDFL are some way down the track and have had a number of discussions re-zoning etc.
The VCFL has received interest from Finley,Hay, Wakool, Leitchville-Gunbower to move from their current leagues and the VCFL has a keen interest in disbanding the Coreen, and Benalla District leagues and are looking at cleaning all issues up whilst sorting out the PDFL issues.
Not all within the PDFL are in agreeance as to the preferred set-up yet, and there are a number of strong opinions on the subject, with the biggest difference of opinion being the controlling body(ies) of the new set-up, with the VCFL strongly wanting two seperate indentity's, not 2 PDFL comps controlled by the one body.
The HDFL, Murray and KDFL leagues are considered off limits as they are happy where they are at and so is the VCFL.
One option which is currently receiving support is comp 1. All clubs west of the gv and newell highways play in the PDFL comp, all those to the east play in a east comp, which the VCFL is aware may force mergers amongst the coreen and benalla league clubs. Those which are based upon those roads may be placed in either comp.
The VCFL are unhappy with the PDFL's use of club boundary and goal umpires in senior grades and expect that to change sooner rather than later.
The VCFL have concerns and are looking at ways, to rectify workcover issues amongst facilities and the conditions of ground currently used within the PDFL, once again expect it to be addressed promptly.
The VCFL wishes to maintain control of all clubs currently within the VCFL and would obviously hope that the 2 newly formed leagues remain VCFL affliated.
The VCFL beleive they are nearing an announcement, with or without the PDFL's input, which may see changes as early as season 2009.

So the west league would like something like
Leitchville-Gunbower, Hay, Wakool, Deni Rovers, Blighty, Picola, Waaia, Strahmerton, Finley, Mathoura, Yarroweyah, Jerilderie

The east league would be something like
Tuungamah, Katandra, Katunga, Wunghnu, Shepp East, Dookie, Kattamatite, and the coreen and benalla league clubs, sorry not sure of them all.

Personally don't like it a great deal !!!

P2F once again you come up with the goods but I'm a little confused with how the split would work. You have listed Strathy/Yarroweyah in one leauge and Katunga in the other doesnt make much sense based on what you were told by the VCFL RE: East/West of the GV highway??? If it ends up like that strathy might have to invest in a bus???

[pace to freeze]

P2F once again you come up with the goods but I'm a little confused with how the split would work. You have listed Strathy/Yarroweyah in one leauge and Katunga in the other doesnt make much sense based on what you were told by the VCFL RE: East/West of the GV highway??? If it ends up like that strathy might have to invest in a bus???
Sorry got my directions mixed up for a second, have now changed it including in your post, the best thing is hopefully the Strathy v Mathoura rivalry remains. :D:D
Got a funny feeling by your post you might have already known, pretty sure there was an executive meeting of the PDFL last night ??

[The Maroubra Stomp]

What the hell do the recent posts have to do with proposed changes to the PDFL, which is what this thread is supposed to be about?

Pace to Freeze, waiting with interest as to the "whispers".

[pace to freeze]

What the hell do the recent posts have to do with proposed changes to the PDFL, which is what this thread is supposed to be about?

Pace to Freeze, waiting with interest as to the "whispers".
Stompy , Please see above your post, has been now copied across . cheers:thumbsu::thumbsu:

[theintimidator]

Sorry got my directions mixed up for a second, have now changed it including in your post, the best thing is hopefully the Strathy v Mathoura rivalry remains. :D:D
Got a funny feeling by your post you might have already known, pretty sure there was an executive meeting of the PDFL last night ??

Had heard a wisper a couple of weeks ago that it was on agenda of an upcoming meeting but just a wisper not sure how reliable the source is and wasnt sure when the meeting was? I do believe some of the proposed changes could destroy a few clubs. Take my club for example ; should they increase our travel dramaticly again to some of the proposed clubs (were the hell is leichville anyway) then I believe we would really struggle to fill a side in the juniors and 2nds because unlike your club where if a bloke wants to play footy he really only has mathoura to choose from we have many clubs within a 15min drive i:e Yarroweyah, Katunga, Numurkah, Cobram, Barooga, Tocumwal so if SFC was forced into a league they didnt want then I'm sure a lot of players would consider their future with the club. The VCFL needs tp tread very lightly here and the PDFL needs to stick up for its existing clubs first and formost!

[iwantanotherflag]

That would be a fcuk up!

My tip:

Katandra, Shepp East, Dookie United, Tungamah, Katamatite.

(these 5 clubs would provide enough fire works on there own!)

Break away from the PDFL, invite the likes of Congupna, Violet Town & Tallygaroopna in and Goorambat if they think they are up to it.

Would leave the PDFL with 11 teams.
KDFL with 10 teams.

What ever happened to a bit of common sense??

It looks bloody obvious to me!! This is getting ridiculous.

[iwantanotherflag]

Realistically 5/6 clubs need to find a new home and leave the PDFL alone.
If it is 5 clubs from the south (Dookie, Shepp East, Katandra, Tungamah, Katamatite) or 5 clubs from the north (Jerilderie, Berrigan, Blighty, Deni Rovers, Mathoura), I would suggest the southern clubs as they could quite easier find/make a new home. Its a bit harder for the NSW teams to find neighbouring towns.
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When did teams join PDFL?
2008- Jerilderie
2006- Shepp East & Dookie United
2003- Berrigan
1996- Katandra
1995- Tungamah & Katamatite
1994?- Strathmerton
1990?- Mathoura

[themagicfrog]

Have tried to get the VCFL, to confirm any the following on the record but aren't real forthcoming !
However, my info is :
The VCFL and the PDFL are some way down the track and have had a number of discussions re-zoning etc.
The VCFL has received interest from Finley,Hay, Wakool, Leitchville-Gunbower to move from their current leagues and the VCFL has a keen interest in disbanding the Coreen, and Benalla District leagues and are looking at cleaning all issues up whilst sorting out the PDFL issues.
Not all within the PDFL are in agreeance as to the preferred set-up yet, and there are a number of strong opinions on the subject, with the biggest difference of opinion being the controlling body(ies) of the new set-up, with the VCFL strongly wanting two seperate indentity's, not 2 PDFL comps controlled by the one body.
The HDFL, Murray and KDFL leagues are considered off limits as they are happy where they are at and so is the VCFL.
One option which is currently receiving support is comp 1. All clubs west of the gv and newell highways play in the PDFL comp, all those to the east play in a east comp, which the VCFL is aware may force mergers amongst the coreen and benalla league clubs. Those which are based upon those roads may be placed in either comp.
The VCFL wishes to maintain control of all clubs currently within the VCFL and would obviously hope that the 2 newly formed leagues remain VCFL affliated.
The VCFL beleive they are nearing an announcement, with or without the PDFL's input, which may see changes as early as season 2009.

So the west league would look something like
Leitchville-Gunbower, Hay, Wakool, Deni Rovers, Blighty, Picola, Waaia, Strathmerton, Finley, Mathoura, Yarroweyah, Jerilderie

The east league would be something like
Tungamah, Katandra, Katunga, Wunghnu, Shepp East, Dookie, Kattamatite, and the coreen and benalla league clubs, sorry not sure of them all.

Personally don't like it a great deal !!!

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Berrigan is in here somewhere? the first group?

[theintimidator]

Realistically 5/6 clubs need to find a new home and leave the PDFL alone.
If it is 5 clubs from the south (Dookie, Shepp East, Katandra, Tungamah, Katamatite) or 5 clubs from the north (Jerilderie, Berrigan, Blighty, Deni Rovers, Mathoura), I would suggest the southern clubs as they could quite easier find/make a new home. Its a bit harder for the NSW teams to find neighbouring towns.
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When did teams join PDFL?
2008- Jerilderie
2006- Shepp East & Dookie United
2003- Berrigan
1996- Katandra
1995- Tungamah & Katamatite
1994?- Strathmerton
1990?- Mathoura


Check out this link http://www.footypedia.com/00001714.htm

Great website!

Interesting to note how much the league has changed over the years. And how clubs have come and gone from the league i:e strtahy 1936 - 1937 ( premiers both years) then 1994 - current. A lot of changes over the years very few of the current clubs can really lay claim to being part of the original PDFL. Maybe only Waaia and Picola.

[Charles Mac]

That would be a fcuk up!

My tip:

Katandra, Shepp East, Dookie United, Tungamah, Katamatite.

(these 5 clubs would provide enough fire works on there own!)

Break away from the PDFL, invite the likes of Congupna, Violet Town & Tallygaroopna in and Goorambat if they think they are up to it.

Would leave the PDFL with 11 teams.
KDFL with 10 teams.

What ever happened to a bit of common sense??

It looks bloody obvious to me!! This is getting ridiculous.

You are spot on Thommo.

This is the only answer IMO. The "traditional" sides to the PDFL need to stay with a couple of others and a league similar to the old tungamah leae needs to be formed. There is no point making a NSW league. There is more of a population of clubs towards shepparton than there is above the border so if there is to be a new league formed it needs to be in vic towards Shep. If the NSW comp goes ahead i predict that clubs and the league itself would be short lived. The standard of footy would not be that flash as time went on.
It will make it very hard for the NSW clubs to recruit outside players. I know that junior development is needed but some of these proposed clubs rely on recuruits (mainly from VIc) to chock up their numbers.
Interesting times.

Who honestly is not happy with the current set up. I know that the league is bit, maybe to big but is it causing that many problems that we have to go and make even bigger problems by splitting it up. The comp ATM seems pretty strong and competitive. I know that sometiming needs to be done. BUT if we are going to make life harder and cause more problems than we have ATM why change anything.

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Berrigan is in here somewhere? the first group?
No sorry magic but you would be heading into the 2nd comp the one east of the newell and gv highways.
Interestingly I beleive the Rennie football club has made our executive formally aware, on Monday night in writting, of there intentions to join the PDFL in season 2009. My info is it won't happen as the VCFL won't allow 17 teams in our comp and nor would they look favourably to two comps, one of 8 one 9 with other issues with clubs currently in surrounding leagues. The VCFL are quite aware that NSWAFL are keen to talk to the NSW clubs but the VCFL are not going to force it's current clubs in that direction.

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Had heard a wisper a couple of weeks ago that it was on agenda of an upcoming meeting but just a wisper not sure how reliable the source is and wasnt sure when the meeting was? I do believe some of the proposed changes could destroy a few clubs. Take my club for example ; should they increase our travel dramaticly again to some of the proposed clubs (were the hell is leichville anyway) then I believe we would really struggle to fill a side in the juniors and 2nds because unlike your club where if a bloke wants to play footy he really only has mathoura to choose from we have many clubs within a 15min drive i:e Yarroweyah, Katunga, Numurkah, Cobram, Barooga, Tocumwal so if SFC was forced into a league they didnt want then I'm sure a lot of players would consider their future with the club. The VCFL needs tp tread very lightly here and the PDFL needs to stick up for its existing clubs first and formost!
I hear you intimidator, but and I guess every clubs different and its probably hard for some clubs to realise the situations of others, but 95% of Mathoura's players would work, live or go to school outside of Mathoura being Echuca probably 85 -90 % with the remainder Deni. I at a guess I would say there would be 10-15 clubs within half an hour of Echuca, so I do understand where your coming from. for your info Gunbower is about 15 minutes out of Echuca heading towards Cohuna and Leitchville is about another 5-10 minute not obsolutely certain where they play their homes games.
Might move this and your previous posts relating to this matter to the merger thread in next day or two, let us know if there a prob. Cheers

[Charles Mac]

Had heard a wisper a couple of weeks ago that it was on agenda of an upcoming meeting but just a wisper not sure how reliable the source is and wasnt sure when the meeting was? I do believe some of the proposed changes could destroy a few clubs. Take my club for example ; should they increase our travel dramaticly again to some of the proposed clubs (were the hell is leichville anyway) then I believe we would really struggle to fill a side in the juniors and 2nds because unlike your club where if a bloke wants to play footy he really only has mathoura to choose from we have many clubs within a 15min drive i:e Yarroweyah, Katunga, Numurkah, Cobram, Barooga, Tocumwal so if SFC was forced into a league they didnt want then I'm sure a lot of players would consider their future with the club. The VCFL needs tp tread very lightly here and the PDFL needs to stick up for its existing clubs first and formost!


Leichville is approx 45 minutes from Swan Hill and currnently play in the CMFL. They are dreaming if they think the PDFL is a good fit for them. I cannot see Jerildere or Berrigan or any club wanting to travel over to that fly infested place to play football. It is an hour and 15 min drive from Deni. If Leichville are looking at getting out of the CMFL i suggest the lodden valley football league as i think they recruit from Echuca and also Bendigo.

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Realistically 5/6 clubs need to find a new home and leave the PDFL alone.
If it is 5 clubs from the south (Dookie, Shepp East, Katandra, Tungamah, Katamatite) or 5 clubs from the north (Jerilderie, Berrigan, Blighty, Deni Rovers, Mathoura), I would suggest the southern clubs as they could quite easier find/make a new home. Its a bit harder for the NSW teams to find neighbouring towns.
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When did teams join PDFL?
2008- Jerilderie
2006- Shepp East & Dookie United
2003- Berrigan
1996- Katandra
1995- Tungamah & Katamatite
1994?- Strathmerton
1990?- Mathoura

Hey Iwantanotherflag, is it fair to assume that since 1994 all the sides that have joined have been from the old Tungamah, or Murray leagues, and if so along with Finley would that be a resonable comp.
Finley, Jerilderie, Shepp East, Dookie, Berrigan, Katandra, Tungamah, Katamatite, Strathmerton, 9 teams and that leaves 8 other PDFL clubs which I don't think is eough would need to target Tally.
This doesn't cateer for Leitchville-Gunbower, Walkool or Hay's to the west, but hope they would be only sounded things out in case there could be less travelling involved which the other alternative does not solve anyway, nor does it resolve any issues with the Coreen and Benalla leagues, but without being ignorant or rude is that our problem !!!!

[Hand Grenade]

No sorry magic but you would be heading into the 2nd comp the one east of the newell and gv highways.
Interestingly I beleive the Rennie football club has made our executive formally aware, on Monday night in writting, of there intentions to join the PDFL in season 2009. My info is it won't happen as the VCFL won't allow 17 teams in our comp and nor would they look favourably to two comps, one of 8 one 9 with other issues with clubs currently in surrounding leagues. The VCFL are quite aware that NSWAFL are keen to talk to the NSW clubs but the VCFL are not going to force it's current clubs in that direction.

Thanks for the updates P2F. You are spot with your info re Rennie's approach. Sounds like things are hotting up. I think that there may end up being a bit of chest thumping between the VCFL and NSWFL over a number of NSW Clubs (as previously hinted at on this thread). Whichever way things go (PDFL staying the same, or splitting the comps into East/West or North/South Divisions), there is going to be some almighty unhappy clubs out there. Interesting times ahead the next few months - I hope it doesn't distract the clubs from their on field stuff.

[theintimidator]

I hear you intimidator, but and I guess every clubs different and its probably hard for some clubs to realise the situations of others, but 95% of Mathoura's players would work, live or go to school outside of Mathoura being Echuca probably 85 -90 % with the remainder Deni. I at a guess I would say there would be 10-15 clubs within half an hour of Echuca, so I do understand where your coming from. for your info Gunbower is about 15 minutes out of Echuca heading towards Cohuna and Leitchville is about another 5-10 minute not obsolutely certain where they play their homes games.
Might move this and your previous posts relating to this matter to the merger thread in next day or two, let us know if there a prob. Cheers


Really? Didnt realise you guys brought so many players in. How big is Mathora population?

[theintimidator]

Hey Iwantanotherflag, is it fair to assume that since 1994 all the sides that have joined have been from the old Tungamah, or Murray leagues, and if so along with Finley would that be a resonable comp.
Finley, Jerilderie, Shepp East, Dookie, Berrigan, Katandra, Tungamah, Katamatite, Strathmerton, 9 teams and that leaves 8 other PDFL clubs which I don't think is eough would need to target Tally.
This doesn't cateer for Leitchville-Gunbower, Walkool or Hay's to the west, but hope they would be only sounded things out in case there could be less travelling involved which the other alternative does not solve anyway, nor does it resolve any issues with the Coreen and Benalla leagues, but without being ignorant or rude is that our problem !!!!

Once again goegraphicly that makes no sense. For example you would have strathy travelling past clubs 5 mins away i:e Yarroweyah and Katunga (breaking one of the strongest PDFL rivalries) to travel to jerrilderie or shepp east ?????? WTF?

Also P2F I wonder if you would think this was equally a good idea if you changed the cut off date from 1994 to 1989 ???

[iwantanotherflag]

I see your point about the 9 teams that have joined in the last 15 years or so. But I don't like it.

Is the league taller (north/south) than wider (east/west)?

Where has all this Leichville, Rennie & Benalla League stuff come from. Is every league in the state (& riverina) a wreck?

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Once again goegraphicly that makes no sense. For example you would have strathy travelling past clubs 5 mins away i:e Yarroweyah and Katunga (breaking one of the strongest PDFL rivalries) to travel to jerrilderie or shepp east ?????? WTF?

Also P2F I wonder if you would think this was equally a good idea if you changed the cut off date from 1994 to 1989 ???
Well intimidator do you honestly think I was going to suggest every away trip for one club be an hour away, now lets get a little bit sensible. It's easy to have blinkers on in this and say what has to happen is what is best for my club, but I think it should be about maintaining all the current PDFL clubs and the league should be trying to come up with something which suits everyone, equally not the nine closest clubs in one comp. and the rest can just be thrown together.

Heres the klm's to every club in my suggestion, don't worry intimidator it's on a spreadsheet so doesn't take long, involving the current PFL clubs, doesn't include Blighty or any additional clubs.

Comp 1
Berrigan 571.2
Jeriliderie 758.5
Katandra 404.5
Strathy 396.1
Tunga 396.1
Katty 304.1
Dookie 453.7
S.E. 476.3

Comp 2(doesn't include distances to Blighty )
Math. 456.9
Katunga 293.4
Yarra 352.9
Picola 291.7
Rovers 587.9
The U 352.5
Waaia 296.3