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Ford Fairlane
9 May 2008, 20:18
According to 7 news (Abba), Pete's been offered a one year deal, wants two.
Standard policy for Port for players over 30 i thought
Just thinking back on people that have left Port (on their own accord)
Fabian Francis - Left port to go to Fremantle. Fremantle made another monumental stuff up and had to wait till the following year to draft Francis. In the mean time, Francis done a knee, and never played AFL football again.
Jarrad Schofield - Wanted a two year contract, only got offered one. Went to Fremantle where he struggled to get a game and ended a good career in a very sad fashion.
Nick Stevens - Left Port when Port were right up the top. Missed out on a premiership, and went to a team that would come bottom for many years in a row. Finally might be coming out of the rut, but has lost 4 valuable years in his career.
Josh Carr - Also left Port when they were top. Is not languishing at Fremantle. Went from a club where Finals was almost guaranteed, to a club where making the 8 is a great achievement in the clubs history. Struggling for form as well now, there is talk of getting rid of him on the Fremantle boards. Went from being one of the top midfielders in the league, to a nobody.
Of the players that left on their own accord and succeeded, I personally can't think of any. Steven Gilham is doing ok at the moment, but time is yet to tell.
So really, if Port say no to you, it's a good indicator that you are finished. So Peter might want to take note, and accept the one year deal, and see how it goes from there. (I'm not at all suggesting he was considering leaving the club...but just in case)
I cant ever see Peter leaving the club, but if he did, do you rekon we good get a good deal for him?
So really, if Port say no to you, it's a good indicator that you are finished. So Peter might want to take note, and accept the one year deal, and see how it goes from there. (I'm not at all suggesting he was considering leaving the club...but just in case)
Gilham and Harley (who is a special case as we had to get list size down quickly at the start) are really it for even players that left on good terms. Bode, Eagleton, Guerra, etc. - none showed the goods at new clubs they promised whilst at port. You look back through the graveyard that is ex-port players and you can understand other clubs not wanting to trade with us.
dreamkillers
10 May 2008, 00:34
We can't help it if other clubs and their coaches can't extract the best out of players as most showed more form at Port than their new clubs and there were some handy players amongst them.
Another plus for our coaching and training teams.
Ebert80
10 May 2008, 00:39
I read about 9 months ago in the footy liftout in the Tiser that he was looking at retiring pretty much when he turned 30. Given that he turned 30 three months ago, obviously hes had a rethink there.
dreamkillers
10 May 2008, 00:47
Not sure where that came from as each time I've asked him up here he's always said early-mid 30's depending on the legs.
Ebert80
10 May 2008, 00:51
Not sure where that came from as each time I've asked him up here he's always said early-mid 30's depending on the legs.
Yeah, not sure, judging from the article though, he pretty much said he only had a year or 2 left in his career. He probably didn't particularly feel like speaking to the media, so may not have cared about the truth of what he spoke about.
Macca19
10 May 2008, 01:26
Hes worth two.
dyertribe
10 May 2008, 01:33
Josh Carr - Also left Port when they were top. Is not languishing at Fremantle. Went from a club where Finals was almost guaranteed, to a club where making the 8 is a great achievement in the clubs history. Struggling for form as well now, there is talk of getting rid of him on the Fremantle boards. Went from being one of the top midfielders in the league, to a nobody.
The thing about Josh was, he was far from an elite midfielder during his time at Alberton, but he could've been.
At 24 and with 105 games under his belt he was cherry ripe to take the next step, especially as Roger James was just a handful of games away from retirement.
With the added responsibility of a Premiership defence and being arguably the club's #1 midfielder he was the type of personality to shine and become a genuine star.
Unfortunately he's gone back home having been at the top, become immersed in Freo's culture of coasting individuals and seen what could've been an excellent career become an average one.
scotty13
10 May 2008, 01:46
Peter has been offered 1yr and I think probably with the garuntee of a second year if he plays x amount of game and stuff in the first year.
Chances are his manager probably hasnt even shown Peter the contract yet and just said no cause the better deal for Peter= better money for manager.
escobar75
10 May 2008, 01:56
Just thinking back on people that have left Port (on their own accord)
Fabian Francis - Left port to go to Fremantle. Fremantle made another monumental stuff up and had to wait till the following year to draft Francis. In the mean time, Francis done a knee, and never played AFL football again.
Jarrad Schofield - Wanted a two year contract, only got offered one. Went to Fremantle where he struggled to get a game and ended a good career in a very sad fashion.
Nick Stevens - Left Port when Port were right up the top. Missed out on a premiership, and went to a team that would come bottom for many years in a row. Finally might be coming out of the rut, but has lost 4 valuable years in his career.
Josh Carr - Also left Port when they were top. Is not languishing at Fremantle. Went from a club where Finals was almost guaranteed, to a club where making the 8 is a great achievement in the clubs history. Struggling for form as well now, there is talk of getting rid of him on the Fremantle boards. Went from being one of the top midfielders in the league, to a nobody.
Of the players that left on their own accord and succeeded, I personally can't think of any. Steven Gilham is doing ok at the moment, but time is yet to tell.
So really, if Port say no to you, it's a good indicator that you are finished. So Peter might want to take note, and accept the one year deal, and see how it goes from there. (I'm not at all suggesting he was considering leaving the club...but just in case)
just anyone who doubts mark williams as a coach please read this post above. Can you imagine our team with josh car and nick stevens still we possibly could have had a few more premierships under our belt.
We had monumental losses of good calibur players and still manage to come through it and possess very strong and young liist now.....we also cant forget josh francou, roger james and matty primus who got cut down in their prime through injury it really shows the class of mark williams as coach to reverse what could of been a very dark time for port into the positive output we are seeing now...
added to this montgomery got shown the door and he was still a handy player but did nothing when he went back to the doggies, byron pickett norm smith medalist F*** knows where he is now....
its funny that the only person who i can think of that got shown the door and decided to do something about it to stay at port,"adam kingsley" ended up being a premiership player and now a coach in port....
mark williams best afl coach in the land.......
escobar75
10 May 2008, 01:59
back on topic, peter is a great servant on port but he should take his contract because he is easly covered with the young guys coming through in stewart and thomas, krakour, and marlin motlop, who can easily be swapped for him and can do his job effectively possibly better...really he is no possision to demand anything right now....
hereselmo1
10 May 2008, 09:57
Yeah sorry peter you have been a loyal servant and in the old days pre salary cap etc. would have probably got a 2 year deal to repay your loyalty, but the realities of the afl and the salary cap mean that can't happen anymore. A one year deal better reflects your age and importance to the team and will ensure that you remain focused and maintain your desire.
Hes worth two.
My thoughts too, I think he's improved lately....
Personally I want him up the middle again, I think when Wilson comes back, you can't have 3 smalls back their (Surj)
Power King
10 May 2008, 11:26
just anyone who doubts mark williams as a coach please read this post above. Can you imagine our team with josh car and nick stevens still we possibly could have had a few more premierships under our belt.
We had monumental losses of good calibur players and still manage to come through it and possess very strong and young liist now.....we also cant forget josh francou, roger james and matty primus who got cut down in their prime through injury it really shows the class of mark williams as coach to reverse what could of been a very dark time for port into the positive output we are seeing now...
added to this montgomery got shown the door and he was still a handy player but did nothing when he went back to the doggies, byron pickett norm smith medalist F*** knows where he is now....
its funny that the only person who i can think of that got shown the door and decided to do something about it to stay at port,"adam kingsley" ended up being a premiership player and now a coach in port....
mark williams best afl coach in the land.......
^We lost nick stevens, josh francou and primus for 04
ANY other team in the land would've bitched about it like there was no tomorrow
seriously, those three were huge parts of our team... could any of the premiers since then have won the premiership, if the first ruckman/captain and two central midfielders were all gone for the season?
Gilham and Harley (who is a special case as we had to get list size down quickly at the start) are really it for even players that left on good terms. Bode, Eagleton, Guerra, etc. - none showed the goods at new clubs they promised whilst at port. You look back through the graveyard that is ex-port players and you can understand other clubs not wanting to trade with us.
Eagleton has been pretty good. He did go through a few 'dud' years, but hes had a decent career. Mind you, when he was at Port, he looked like he'd be alot better than he became.
Forzaport
10 May 2008, 15:56
Hes worth two.
Agreed. I'm sure the club will work it out with peter.
dreamkillers
10 May 2008, 18:08
Hes worth two.
He's certainly been a loyal player for the club but he's not the first and won't be the last player that has gone through this with the club's stance on all players over 30......as long as he's fit he'll get his contract renewed.
If it was good enough for Wangers, Wakes and Paco amongst others it's good enough for burger.....:D
Porthos
10 May 2008, 19:05
I support the club's stance on this. One year only.
I support the club's stance on this. One year only.Ditto.
Maybe put in a proviso that if he has less than ... 15 ... Burgoyne Brain Farts in 2009 he can have another.
powaflag08
10 May 2008, 21:29
The way he is playing tonight i would defently give him 2 years.
10mins into the 2nd quarter of the all star game he has 16 touches of which 14 have been effective and is Ranked as the best player on the ground.
Porthos
10 May 2008, 21:54
How is he ranked in supporting his teammates?
powaflag08
10 May 2008, 22:00
How is he ranked in supporting his teammates?
Well i have just been informed that 10 out of his 21 touches have been to fellow Port players mainly to Kornes and Junior.
He is now ranked 2nd best on ground with JohnCock being ranked BOG at half-time.
Macca19
10 May 2008, 22:52
31 touches to 3/4 time for Pete.
powaflag08
10 May 2008, 23:12
Would have to get BOG if DT win.
34 touches so far.
dreamkillers
10 May 2008, 23:47
we had to win for him to get it......and he had the usual brain fade when he hand-balled straight to their forward for a goal in the first quarter.........
Whilst it's disappointing for it to be a loss it's probably the best result if we want to see a rep game again in the future given the AFL (VFL) will now more than likely be in favour of seeing the game again.
Maybe next time our forwards may get some of the frees they deserved as they sure got a few easy ones in theirs which resulted in goals.
delirious1
11 May 2008, 01:50
Not a troll, but how many contested possessions did he get?
Should of won the allen aytlett medal BTW.
dreamkillers
11 May 2008, 02:13
Not a troll, but how many contested possessions did he get?
Should of won the allen aytlett medal BTW.
Played his normal game....loose and picking up plenty of loose possessions by having the natural instinct of knowing where to be and when to be there.
The only time he gets into trouble is when he actually thinks about things as his natural instincts are fine..........his brother Shaun is the better footballer when he puts his mind to it but both are very good players.
As for the medal he would have won it if the side won..........I just hope Chocco doesn't cop much shit as there's not a lot more he could have done.....the players just didn't man up enough when the game was there to be won in the second half of the last quarter.
Kennyrocks
11 May 2008, 02:53
I cant ever see Peter leaving the club, but if he did, do you rekon we good get a good deal for him?
This is not a troll (I came into this thread because Peter is in my DT and I was curious) but if it was a trade involving the crows I wouldn't give you too much for him. Probably a draft pick somewhere around the 30 mark, or equivalent player.
hereselmo1
11 May 2008, 03:31
it is very hard to take you seriously when ur screenname is "kennyrocks"
Kennyrocks
11 May 2008, 03:59
it is very hard to take you seriously when ur screenname is "kennyrocks"
Oh okay, I see your point hereselmo1.
Asgardian
11 May 2008, 08:06
This is not a troll (I came into this thread because Peter is in my DT and I was curious) but if it was a trade involving the crows I wouldn't give you too much for him. Probably a draft pick somewhere around the 30 mark, or equivalent player.
I wouldn't give the car park mob much for Goodwin, McLeod, Bassett or Burton either, and nothing at all for Edwards
Get the point junior?
Burton.. the most inconsistent overrated player I have ever seen. How he gets afl games is a mystery given his ration of one good thing for every 10 bad things.
Macca19
11 May 2008, 10:36
Not a troll, but how many contested possessions did he get?
Should of won the allen aytlett medal BTW.
Think he ended with 6 or 7 contested possesions.
powaflag08
11 May 2008, 11:02
Not a troll, but how many contested possessions did he get?
Should of won the allen aytlett medal BTW.
The most of any player on the ground (8).
Eddie Woloschek
11 May 2008, 11:39
The game was the IPL of football. A lot of stars, but no-one to root for. A meaningless exercise.
Gilham and Harley (who is a special case as we had to get list size down quickly at the start) are really it for even players that left on good terms. Bode, Eagleton, Guerra, etc. - none showed the goods at new clubs they promised whilst at port. You look back through the graveyard that is ex-port players and you can understand other clubs not wanting to trade with us.
:confused:Eagleton is and has played great footy for the dogs and Guerra is playing good footy at the Hawks now:confused:
:confused:Eagleton is and has played great footy for the dogs and Guerra is playing good footy at the Hawks now:confused:
I said did show as much as they looked the would if they stayed at Port, not that they were crap. Ie. Leaving Port = game goes downhill (except the two exceptions out of a couple of dozen that have left us one way or the other - very poor odds to risk it :D).
Kennyrocks
11 May 2008, 18:46
Burton.. the most inconsistent overrated player I have ever seen. How he gets afl games is a mystery given his ration of one good thing for every 10 bad things.
You can keep Peter Burgoyne, we'll keep Burton and we'll both be happy :D Shaun Burgoyne is another story.
Asgardian I do see your point on Goodwin et al., but I thnk you're under-rating Edwards, nevermind we're nitpicking here as they are all good players but coming to the end of their careers.
Peter is obviously a talented player even though he's also getting on a bit. Do any of you feel he is wasted a bit playing this unaccountable role in the backlines though? Or is this a new role considering his age and perhaps accordingly his role is being scaled down? Dont get me wrong, I hope he stays in this role, its great for my Dream Team! :)
Burton.. the most inconsistent overrated player I have ever seen. How he gets afl games is a mystery given his ration of one good thing for every 10 bad things.
So a player who has kicked more goals than any other Port player in 2008 is 'inconsistent overrated' and shouldn't be getting any AFL games? :confused:
There's a huge difference between 'not rated' and 'overrated'...;)
The forecast for the climate ahead regarding draft picks has to be seriously considered, even if it means to trade Peter for a higher draft pick.
Do we have anyone else that we can trade to get higher draft picks, because in 1-2 years the younger talent pool will be drained, as they have done with our water.
Redline
13 May 2008, 17:22
As mentioned I would have thought a one year deal with an option for a second if he can play a certain number of games. Not worth talking about a trade as it won't come to that I'm sure.
dreamkillers
13 May 2008, 18:23
As mentioned I would have thought a one year deal with an option for a second if he can play a certain number of games. Not worth talking about a trade as it won't come to that I'm sure.
That's basically what he's been offered.....a 1 year deal where as long as no disasters happen in form or fitness another year will be offered....it's what we offer all players aged 30 or above and it hasn't been a problem with any of them in the past as it's a reasonable offer for both player and club.
Sure I can understand a player wanting a longer term to suit their own interests but in the best interests of the club (which a player should also consider) the deal is more than reasonable.