Jordan McMahon - easily the dumbest footballer l've seen!

[Wally Matera]

Wasn't he recruited for some class? No skills and makes decisions that makes Gasper look like a rocket scientist.

Drop him. Drop him now.

[strav]

I agree. Has cost us at least 4 goals from direct turnovers. This has sapped the confidence of the players.

[Mario Speedwagon]

Disagree - second dumbest, maybe ...the honour of dumbest still goes to Jake King.

[strav]

Disagree - second dumbest, maybe ...the honour of dumbest still goes to Jake King.


You may have a point.

[007Tigers]

why do yas blame him? maybe its the fact that the tigers dont break off and try and make leads

thats what i really hate about tigers, i love them but they are so stupid at times, they never break off and make leads and open up for the pass yet they are more than happy to let there opponents run off them with ease

[waiting since 80]

Not his fault? the coaching staff should be reminding him at the start of each quarter "DON'T KICK IT TO THE OPPOSITE TEAM PLAYERS":o

___________________________________________________________

The screen door slams... mary's dress sways...

[corporal]

Wasn't he recruited for some class? No skills and makes decisions that makes Gasper look like a rocket scientist.

Drop him. Drop him now.

McMahon's decision makings is awful especially in under pressure. Probably rather would have taken a punt in the draft however that being said he is the type of player who will be good in a good side so if we continue to improve he will probably be serviceable enough.

One thing that does worry me, It has been commented on before I think but Tambling never seems to chase, so often I see him make a half hearted attempted then he stops puts his hands on his hips and watches the opposition stream away. I like the kid and think he is going to be servicable 200 game player for us but he needs to start chasing and putting proper defensive pressure on like the other small Aboriginal players (see the Davey's, Hooper, the Nth Melbourne boys) etc...

[krustyman]

You may have a point.
both are diabolical in the backline, gives a few goals away every game

[tugga]

Shane Tuck's got him covered by a fair margin.

[Wally Matera]

Shane Tuck's got him covered by a fair margin.

Yeah not great brains, but geez he smashed Joel Corey.

[007Tigers]

yeah but why would you put hyde on ablett, i could have told ya hyde would get smashed

[Wally Matera]

wally watera why dont you shut up? whyy say shit like that?

hes a good player just needs to be given a fair go, he has the most possessions today for the tigers against the cats with 27, what more can you ask for? he made some mistakes but all of tigers players do, i saw nathan brown kick a 50m ball right to a cats player with no tigers around him

???

Ridiculous response. No use getting the pill if you're only going to make a James Blunt of it.

Anyone know his clanger count? I counted 3 in 10 seconds.

[Coach_Required]

Wasn't he recruited for some class? No skills and makes decisions that makes Gasper look like a rocket scientist.

Drop him. Drop him now.


I think we found out today he just shouldnt play when its wet weather footy, sure he got alot of the ball but he was trying to pin point targets in the wet, that is just stupid.

Happy to keep him in the team, only if its not raining IMO.

[tigerboyz]

???

Ridiculous response. No use getting the pill if you're only going to make a James Blunt of it.

Anyone know his clanger count? I counted 3 in 10 seconds.

Jordy is only helpful when the whole team is playing well but otherwise he is a downhill skier.

[007Tigers]

alot of our players had a shit day.... he had an average day why bag him? hes a good player, i think we need to talk about people like hyde who was done nothing and let ablett run all over him, i would have dropped hyde and got jackson to tag him

[tugga]

Jordy is only helpful when the whole team is playing well but otherwise he is a downhill skier.
Yep. Doggies fans will tell you the exact same thing.
Here's some food for thought though.
When we are actually a decent team, and that's not that far away despite what others will have you believe, and we win more than we lose, his real worth will show then.
i don't believe he was recruited to make a huge impact immediately. His real worth will show when we win more than we lose.

[richois god]

at least tuck is tuff.

[tiger trooper]

hes a fuking hack.

Too many errors, and can someone tell me why we recruited him?. His kicking skills.

Yes it was jhailing so hiitjg 60 percent of your targets is still a plus. BUT when you try pinpoint in the middle of the ground in hailing conditions, you are asking for trouble. A couple of times all he had to do was 'bang it long' near the boundry... WHY COULDNT HE???

Im not just saying this because of this game. My mate was a bull-dog supporter, has been for 15 years. Goes to every match. He rang me up n started laughing we traded pick 19 for Mchman. Never have liked him in tiger colours

[tugga]

at least tuck is tuff.
Toughness counts for zilch when you're 20 metres in the clear and can't hit a teammate 30 metres away.

[Wally Matera]

and i agree he was recruited for the future hes only 24 and he had 1 bad season for the dogs coz he had depression thats why we managed to get him for pick 19

I get depression everytime I watch him. I get suicidal when l think about the fact that we traded pick 19 for him.

I need a drink.

[007Tigers]

if you dont like him or the fact that tigers traded for him then go for a different team

[Mario Speedwagon]

Yep. Doggies fans will tell you the exact same thing.
Here's some food for thought though.
When we are actually a decent team, and that's not that far away despite what others will have you believe, and we win more than we lose, his real worth will show then.
i don't believe he was recruited to make a huge impact immediately. His real worth will show when we win more than we lose.
Well then.....here's a novel idea...how about let's not keep ____in' puttin' him the ____in' side UNTIL THEN.....

[Jisha]

Anyone that put King above Jordy is a complete dill.

I can go into more detail but I do not think it is unnecessary.

Saying that, Jords is ok, he makes mistakes but give him a year I have a feeling he will become quite useful.

[tugga]

Well then.....here's a novel idea...how about let's not keep ____in' puttin' him the ____in' side UNTIL THEN.....
What's your solution then brainiac?
Who replaces him?

[black_hart]

Made some dumb mistakes today for sure and it pissed me off as i was rooting for you guys. When he kicked it straight to the geelong players like twice in a few minutes i was fuming "you dumb *******" All the effort you put in to be up & this guy screws it up with a couple of stupid turn overs.

[JSFish]

It was amazing how stupid some of the players were today, none more so than McMahon when he tried to pinpoint a pass in the middle, ____ed it up, then 30 seconds later when he got it again does the exact same thing and concedes a goal. I mean seriously, you can forgive skill errors if they aren't too regular, but when you make decisions like that..____.

[the ranger]

Funny how all the negative nancy bullshit is posted around 5pm or earlier. How about getting out to a game before you share your pathetic ill-informed opinions.

Wankers.

[Tetley Tigers]

And none of these people ever have the guts to say it to people's faces. They hide behind the cloak of anonymity on a website and use "political correctness gone mad" as a defence.

Why doesn't Wally Matera wander down to Hoxteth in his favourite Liverpool or Brixton in London and spout his views.

I was disappointed with McMahon's performance today but I didn't resort to racism to criticise him. It's cheap and shows a somewhat stunted degree of intellect.

[Spielvogel]

pretty wet today...

[the ranger]

You are an absolute disgrace.. Some of the comments on this thread are so ordinary it's not funny.. It's actually embarrassing as a fellow supporter to trawl through this trash. Does anyone actually have the ability to constructively debate an issue without turning into senseless, brainless ferals?

True.

Love our team but I'm truly embarrassed by our supporters on a regular basis. But then I look at other teams' boards and it's much the same. Fact is, people are idiots. I can't wait until aliens attack the Earth and enslave the population. Provided they allow the AFL to continue each weekend. Then I, for one, would welcome our new insect overlords.

[E Shed]

True.

Love our team but I'm truly embarrassed by our supporters on a regular basis. But then I look at other teams' boards and it's much the same. Fact is, people are idiots. I can't wait until aliens attack the Earth and enslave the population. Provided they allow the AFL to continue each weekend. Then I, for one, would welcome our new insect overlords.

Genius :thumbsu:

[27YearsOfPain]

So do you have a comment to make about the football (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=444728&page=5#), or did you just come here to slag off the supporters?

Like my most aussies living in London, you've got nothing better to do

Glad you care 1980. My opinion: He's good when things are good. Average when the pressures on. Still in our best team until something else comes along. Nothing new there. Nothing new in this thread apart from the overt racism.

Must add that I've been truley overwhelmed by your footballing contribution here 1980. If it wasn't for slagging off fellow supporters and reading your incredible footballing insights - I wouldn't know what to do with myself over here.

If I've slagged of someone who didn't deserve it - let me know. Surely your not defending the racist comments that have appeared here? What's your angle?

Feel free to blind me with more football gospel and insightful social commentary. I'll be twiddling my thumbs until your next post...

[emperor]

LMAO @ this thread

the bullies fan a few posts up and tugga got it...mcmahon made some poor clangers today but he wasn't so bad as to warrant a rant thread:rolleyes:

[Crumden]

27 Stats 21 effective possessions, 6 clangers, 1 goal plus 3 effective tackles....

Twice as many effective possessions than a third of the total possessions of his team-mates who judging on your posting musn't have made a mistake..
A few too many poor decisions from him today but when he had players on and running for him some of his kicks were pretty damaging (to our advantage). He needs to cut down on the clangers, most of which come from trying to thread the eye of the needle. He had some very good possessions which showed why we got him, but it was a real mixed bag from him today.

[1980]

Glad you care 1980. My opinion: He's good when things are good. Average when the pressures on. Still in our best team until something else comes along. Nothing new there. Nothing new in this thread apart from the overt racism.

Must add that I've been truley overwhelmed by your footballing contribution here 1980. If it wasn't for slagging off fellow supporters and reading your incredible footballing insights - I wouldn't know what to do with myself over here.

If I've slagged of someone who didn't deserve it - let me know. Surely your not defending the racist comments that have appeared here? What's your angle?

Feel free to blind me with more football gospel and insightful social commentary. I'll be twiddling my thumbs until your next post...

You've made your comment. Now get over yourself.

Its a footy website.

[1980]

Glad you care 1980. My opinion: He's good when things are good. Average when the pressures on. Still in our best team until something else comes along. Nothing new there. Nothing new in this thread apart from the overt racism.

Must add that I've been truley overwhelmed by your footballing contribution here 1980. If it wasn't for slagging off fellow supporters and reading your incredible footballing insights - I wouldn't know what to do with myself over here.

If I've slagged of someone who didn't deserve it - let me know. Surely your not defending the racist comments that have appeared here? What's your angle?

Feel free to blind me with more football gospel and insightful social commentary. I'll be twiddling my thumbs until your next post...

Long way to come just to preach.

Its a footy website, you've made your comment, now you can get over yourself.

[1980]

Bulldogs supporters blurted their coffee's all over the keyboards when they read what Wallace said about McMahon 'adding class' when he was traded.

Can't hit the side of a barn.

BUT BUT BUT. He can run and dam he looks good when the teams winning.

You said the same thing about Leon Cameron

[27YearsOfPain]

Long way to come just to preach.

Its a footy website, you've made your comment, now you can get over yourself.You've made your comment. Now get over yourself.

Its a footy website.What on earth are you doing 1980? As if your enigmatic post was not enough - you add to your mystery by posting approximately the same thing twice - while still managing to say absolutely nothing in the process. A rare skill indeed....

[27YearsOfPain]

It's clowns like you who give racism the covergae it doesn't need.

Apart from your misplaced humanitarian efforts being exhausted on a football forum, there is nothing more going on than some politically
incorrect terms being brandished in internet conversation.

So either STFU or go join Jews for Israel and actually do something to make a difference, instead of attracting attention to your iconic selves as you showcase your "ideals", in an attempt to clarify your virginal staus as anti-racists.

So we could both use a spell check...

Check - Politically Incorrect
Check - Humanitarian
Check - reference to Jews
Check - 'ideals'
Check - anti-racists
You left out the words 'left-wing' and 'do-gooders'. Other than that it's a pretty standard attempt to defend an indefensible position.

It is a football forum. Can't people participate without being racist? Simple request. Let's move on.

[the ranger]

So we could both use a spell check...

Check - Politically Incorrect
Check - Humanitarian
Check - reference to Jews
Check - 'ideals'
Check - anti-racists
You left out the words 'left-wing' and 'do-gooders'.


Also "bleeding hearts"

[Ruanaidh]

LMAO@ some uni tool quoting Freudian delusions.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing....

Regardless,thanks for the breakdown,now tell us about yourself..........oh.........you were ;)

Good luck with the personal development stage too.:thumbsu: How perceptive of you.....not even close. By the way, been haunted by mad women in your dreams lately? Maybe a little understanding of Jung may help:thumbsu: Spending time in the same mind-space as you is overwhelmingly unrewarding on so many levels, not the least being your lack of Football acumen.

[Delisted]

rip in guys this is great to read. is it grog squad vs the rest? :D

[Spagman]

nice comments some of you lot. isn't this disgrace of a forum moderated at all?

pathetic. makes me want to start up my own sports forum.

[smasha]

Funny how all the negative nancy bullshit is posted around 5pm or earlier. How about getting out to a game before you share your pathetic ill-informed opinions.

Wankers.

Usually the ones with the acid tongues are on the couch at home eating Chicken Soup.

Absolute wankas.


I like Jordy as a player.

Lets just highlight one incident where he makes a few clangers and put it up in big writing.

What a load of ole bollocks some supporters are.

[Mario Speedwagon]

What's your solution then brainiac?
Who replaces him?

A younger developing player with no ingrained bad habits yet who might actually learn things and be a long term contributer to the club under all circumstances and not just when we're killing it.....on yesterday's effort even JON couldn't possibly be any worse than this recycled hack...not gonna find out if these kids will actually make it in the big time by leaving them at Coburg surrounded by and playing against hacks every week....I agree with Malthouse...if they're good enough, they're old enough... only way to see if these chicks can fly is to push 'em out of the nest.

Players like McMahon are for back up... stop gaps when there's injuries and suspensions.... nothing more , nothing less.

[oxx]

How perceptive of you.....not even close. By the way, been haunted by mad women in your dreams lately? Maybe a little understanding of Jung may help:thumbsu: Spending time in the same mind-space as you is overwhelmingly unrewarding on so many levels, not the least being your lack of Football acumen.

And u accuse me of being opinionated.

LMAO@ Your delusionary existence.

U must be a female.

[oxx]

You left out the words 'left-wing' and 'do-gooders'. Other than that it's a pretty standard attempt to defend an indefensible position.
\.

Indefensible?
What position might that be Martin Luther?

[oxx]

Also "bleeding hearts"

you'll find it with a picture of u next to it.

[oxx]

So we could both use a spell check...

Check - Politically Incorrect
Check - Humanitarian
Check - reference to Jews
Check - 'ideals'
Check - anti-racists
You left out the words 'left-wing' and 'do-gooders'. Other than that it's a pretty standard attempt to defend an indefensible position.

It is a football forum. Can't people participate without being racist? Simple request. Let's move on.
.
Defender of the Faith - We love you

[Mario Speedwagon]

What do you expect from a generation that is the result of the last 30 years of a public education system hijacked by leftist lesbians and listening to Triple J....pathetic chardonnay socialists with doctortes in useless subjects like humanities all racked with white middle class guilt.... "Ve haf vays of makink you tolerant!"...____in' Neo-Stalinist thought police.....Uncle Joe would be proud...:o

[Bojangles17]

hes a fuking hack.

Too many errors, and can someone tell me why we recruited him?. His kicking skills.



The stats had his kicking efficiency as 74% whilst Foley was 64%...Never let the facts get in the way of a good story:eek:

[tigers_of_old_08]

He had a bad day and I'm certain Wallace has already let him know - he may even get a rest next week Vs the Bombers, but he doesnt deserve some of the comments posted in this thread..

[Mario Speedwagon]

Ok then.....go down to the PC suburb of Carlton, spot an obviously Italian bloke, and make sure he isn't holding a 'Chadonnay', then call him a Wog, Spick or Gypo. I'm tipping you won't get a PC response....peanut!

Chances are one of those "wogs" would my relatives...halfwit
It's got nothing to do with free speech. Thirty years ago I drank in some of the toughest pubs in Melbourne and blokes were knocked out every night for saying the things said on this thread. PC is protecting internet hero's like you.

Yeah ,just like it allows oxygen thieves like you to construct fanciful stories about being a street fighting gangster thirty years ago in a pathetic attempt to win an argument...and you call me a hero..."I drank in da tuffest pubs mate" "Our free tuffest blokes would bash der biggest" ...hahaha...piss off..how old are you? You sound like some dumb 16 year -old wigger tryin' to impress people ...I used to meet big noting "tough guys" like you all the time .._____ like you are a dime a dozen....now I suppose you'll tell me about your "time inside"...but conveniently leave out the part where you took up the arse every night....seriously mate, go jerk off over "Underbelly" and your Chopper Reid books.....:o

[Mario Speedwagon]

Good comeback Potsy...that's always a convincing one...:o

[Ruanaidh]

Details.

Boven from yesteryear,still intent on breaking the suburban stereotype that ruined any chances of financial success,lives on in denial as he projects dark scenarios from his past on unsuspecting posters.There you go....now don't you feel better. Maybe the 'crazy lady' wont visit you tonight?

[27YearsOfPain]

Indefensible?
What position might that be Martin Luther?

The contention that the comments aren't racist because it's on the internet and the topic is football. Going nowhere with that one fella.

Martin Luther? Think your intelligence thread just snapped. Don't stretch so far.

[tiger trooper]

The stats had his kicking efficiency as 74% whilst Foley was 64%...Never let the facts get in the way of a good story:eek:
What about Critical errors? IIRC 3 of his disposal turnovers were direct goals.

And if you want to compare him to foley that is a joke. Foley is our top midfielder, wins the hard-ball, lays tackles, is ACCOUNTABLE!

I dont think we drafted Mchman because he can stop his opponent from getting the ball, and coz he always puts his body on the line ( which foley does )

[emperor]

can't believe this thread has still got legs:confused:

LMAO:D

[Bojangles17]

And if you want to compare him to foley that is a joke. Foley is our top midfielder, wins the hard-ball, lays tackles, is ACCOUNTABLE!

)

Im not panning Foley, Im just highlighting the fact that many punters are being pretty theatrical about Mcmahons input...he has 27 possies at 75% efficiency, cast your eyes over the stats page and there are alot worse. I accept there may have been some pivotal ones, but no worse than polak missing the upteenth soda in front of goal or tambling failing to hit a barn door running into an open goal...Its called PERSPECTIVE, do yourself a favour and look it up:eek:

[froars]

Enough. You have battered me into submission with your use of symbols, web acronyms, underlining and whitty observations. A rare and powerful combination indeed. I did contemplate a capitalised reply but feel it is much easier to agree with you. You are relentless (if somewhat selective and unstable). How do I get on board with you? You lead - let us all follow. Until next time Oxx.

Weak - stand up for what you believe in :thumbsd:

[GiveGasTheFlick]

why do yas blame him? maybe its the fact that the tigers dont break off and try and make leads

thats what i really hate about tigers, i love them but they are so stupid at times, they never break off and make leads and open up for the pass yet they are more than happy to let there opponents run off them with easeMaybe because he cant hit a target at the moment

[Roger Dodger]

Whoever said Shane Tuck was the dumbest footballer they have ever seen gets no argument from me. Alongside Shultz and Hyde we may have the three dumbest footballers in the competition. Perhaps Melbourne's Nathan Carrol might rate a mention as well.

[tucker777]

love that how the whole needing to repost that pic again and again seemed necessary
McMahon is the turnover king at the moment, nothing has made me more want to tear up my membership (figuratively speaking) than him
I think he leads in rebound 50s...wheres the stat on how many of those hit a tiger target?

[oxx]

hmmmm....posting a pic with racist overtones,just to take a sarcastic swipe @ somebody ur calling a racist.

Intelligent.

[oxx]

FWIW,IDGAF what nationality anyone is.

I welcome all races and creeds to play for the RFC.

I also expect to hear the odd slur - that's life.

Some of u use the term "keyboard warrior"

WTF do u think you're doing,FFS?:rolleyes:

[Butane]

Who ever likened McMahon's kicking to Leon Cameron's needs to stop smoking crack.

[OneEyedHawk]

Haven't Wally and oxx covered themselves in glory this thread? :rolleyes:

[tiger trooper]

Im not panning Foley, Im just highlighting the fact that many punters are being pretty theatrical about Mcmahons input...he has 27 possies at 75% efficiency, cast your eyes over the stats page and there are alot worse. I accept there may have been some pivotal ones, but no worse than polak missing the upteenth soda in front of goal or tambling failing to hit a barn door running into an open goal...Its called PERSPECTIVE, do yourself a favour and look it up:eek:

Polak shouldnt be playing forward IMO and EVERY1 KNOWS HE HAS SHOCKING KICKING. ITS NO ____ING SECRET. and tambling (while he is definitely developing) is seriously over-rated.
Stats dont say it all.EXAMPLE A handpass to a team-mate running counts as an effective possesion, but if it is one that puts them under-pressure because of an on-coming opposition player and results in a goal is still counted as effective...

[tugga]

I like pumpkin soup with a dollop of sour cream and a warm bread roll.

[tony_montana]

FWIW,IDGAF what nationality anyone is.

I welcome all races and creeds to play for the RFC.

I also expect to hear the odd slur - that's life.

Some of u use the term "keyboard warrior"

WTF do u think you're doing,FFS?:rolleyes:


probably what you try and do ey? :o

yep occassionally the odd slur is made, but doesn't need to be said in this forum where its left to see time and time again by more and more people frequenting, its a bit different.

[tucker777]

lol at the name mario speedwagon

glad to see the spirit of get this lives on

[Aker39]

I can end the race debate, McMahon is a Scottish name meaning Turnover.

In the English/Scotland conflict of 1534 General Gaelan McMahon led the Scottish army to loss after loss against the English and subsequently lost over half of Scotland's territory. His leadership in battle and loss of land was so bad that he was nicknamed 'TURNOVER' by the populace

[always right]

Well done tigers. Some of your posts have been quoted in Mark Robinsons print article today. The article is online but not the quotes which include;

Wasn't he recruited for some class? No skills and makes decisions that makes Gasper look like a rocket scientist.

Drop him. Drop him now.

Disagree - second dumbest, maybe ...the honour of dumbest still goes to Jake King.

Here's the online article.

Players cop a blogging

Mark Robinson | May 21, 2008 12:00am

AFL players have been banned from scouring fan websites, for fear the vicious player appraisals could lead to depression.

At one club, support staff also have been threatened with the sack if they are caught blogging or leaking valuable information to the websites.
Labelled "cyber bullying" and "big brother" blogging by the AFL Players' Association, clubs have taken the drastic step of encouraging a boycott of the popular fan sites.
"I wouldn't encourage any players to use them. I think it's for bloggers, and I think it's mostly for titillation rather any decent feedback," AFLPA general manager of psychology, people and culture, Pippa Grange said yesterday.
"It's more your big brother-type trivia.
"I would agree with coaches telling players not to look, but I would also encourage the players not to think of it in any way as criticism - it's just a random sample of people with not much better to do."
Most football clubs have independent supporter websites, including Saintsational, TalkingCarlton, Demonology, Punt Road End, Nick's Collingwood Page and and Bomberblitz.
One of the most popular is BigFooty.
On them, anonymous bloggers ritually attack players for their performances, and the criticisms sometimes carry racial and sexual overtones.
One coach, who did not want to draw attention to his players, yesterday said: "They get real nasty."
The coach said he was aware of one player receiving "particularly scathing" criticism and he had approached the player and asked if he was aware of it.
"Thankfully, he said it didn't matter because he didn't read it, but bloody oath, it could affect the player," the coach said. "It's a serious issue, a major issue.
"Even if one player gets depression, or his form falls away, it could end his career."
One club official last night confirmed the coach had directed some of his players to stop reading sites.
"Yes, we have suggested to some players they avoid online fan sites," the official said.
A football manager from another club said he had addressed the issue with the players.
He also revealed he had warned support staff that if they leaked information to websites, or people knowingly connected to the websites, they would be sacked.
"We have said, 'Whatever you know is not to be passed on to people outside the club'," he said.
He said players had to avoid any scathing critiques.
"It's like critical fan mail, it could do your head in, and it's the same thing with websites.
"You should read some of it, it's rubbish.
"You've got to understand the ego of players and fragility comes with that as well."
Grange yesterday said AFL footballers were in the "culture of celebrities".
"And there's a lot of nasty stuff out there," she said.
She likens it to cyber bullying at schools, where there are alarming cases of bullying bringing on forms of depression and even attempted suicide.
"There's no restriction of what people are able to do with the internet," Grange said.
"Blogging on websites about players is a form of bullying, it's public bullying of people in celebrity positions.
"And the footy players, unless they personally take some course of investigation, have got absolutely no comeback."
Grange said public criticism of players had been addressed, although cyber criticism hadn't specifically been on the agenda.
"We talk to the players about building resilience about feedback and what they need to let through to the keeper, and what's actually value for them and how they make a choice about each," she said.
"We don't specifically focus on websites, but that's going to happen with our digital lifestyle at the minute."
More serious, she said, were players' identities being taken by bloggers.
"The biggest thing I've encountered in my role where it's been a problem is where people take the identity of the player and claim to be making comments on behalf of the player," she said.
"They get obviously quite upset about that."
ANYONE with personal problems can call Lifelineon 131 114; Victorian Statewide Suicide Helpline on 1300 651 251; or Mensline Australia on 1300 789 978.

[Ruanaidh]

Well done tigers. Some of your posts have been quoted in Mark Robinsons print article today. The article is online but not the quotes which include;





Here's the online article.

Players cop a blogging

Mark Robinson | May 21, 2008 12:00am

AFL players have been banned from scouring fan websites, for fear the vicious player appraisals could lead to depression.

At one club, support staff also have been threatened with the sack if they are caught blogging or leaking valuable information to the websites.
Labelled "cyber bullying" and "big brother" blogging by the AFL Players' Association, clubs have taken the drastic step of encouraging a boycott of the popular fan sites.
"I wouldn't encourage any players to use them. I think it's for bloggers, and I think it's mostly for titillation rather any decent feedback," AFLPA general manager of psychology, people and culture, Pippa Grange said yesterday.
"It's more your big brother-type trivia.
"I would agree with coaches telling players not to look, but I would also encourage the players not to think of it in any way as criticism - it's just a random sample of people with not much better to do."
Most football clubs have independent supporter websites, including Saintsational, TalkingCarlton, Demonology, Punt Road End, Nick's Collingwood Page and and Bomberblitz.
One of the most popular is BigFooty.
On them, anonymous bloggers ritually attack players for their performances, and the criticisms sometimes carry racial and sexual overtones.
One coach, who did not want to draw attention to his players, yesterday said: "They get real nasty."
The coach said he was aware of one player receiving "particularly scathing" criticism and he had approached the player and asked if he was aware of it.
"Thankfully, he said it didn't matter because he didn't read it, but bloody oath, it could affect the player," the coach said. "It's a serious issue, a major issue.
"Even if one player gets depression, or his form falls away, it could end his career."
One club official last night confirmed the coach had directed some of his players to stop reading sites.
"Yes, we have suggested to some players they avoid online fan sites," the official said.
A football manager from another club said he had addressed the issue with the players.
He also revealed he had warned support staff that if they leaked information to websites, or people knowingly connected to the websites, they would be sacked.
"We have said, 'Whatever you know is not to be passed on to people outside the club'," he said.
He said players had to avoid any scathing critiques.
"It's like critical fan mail, it could do your head in, and it's the same thing with websites.
"You should read some of it, it's rubbish.
"You've got to understand the ego of players and fragility comes with that as well."
Grange yesterday said AFL footballers were in the "culture of celebrities".
"And there's a lot of nasty stuff out there," she said.
She likens it to cyber bullying at schools, where there are alarming cases of bullying bringing on forms of depression and even attempted suicide.
"There's no restriction of what people are able to do with the internet," Grange said.
"Blogging on websites about players is a form of bullying, it's public bullying of people in celebrity positions.
"And the footy players, unless they personally take some course of investigation, have got absolutely no comeback."
Grange said public criticism of players had been addressed, although cyber criticism hadn't specifically been on the agenda.
"We talk to the players about building resilience about feedback and what they need to let through to the keeper, and what's actually value for them and how they make a choice about each," she said.
"We don't specifically focus on websites, but that's going to happen with our digital lifestyle at the minute."
More serious, she said, were players' identities being taken by bloggers.
"The biggest thing I've encountered in my role where it's been a problem is where people take the identity of the player and claim to be making comments on behalf of the player," she said.
"They get obviously quite upset about that."
ANYONE with personal problems can call Lifelineon 131 114; Victorian Statewide Suicide Helpline on 1300 651 251; or Mensline Australia on 1300 789 978. Describes the cowardly racists on the thread to a tee.which was exactly the point I was making. They wouldn't, couldn't (due to lack of courage) do it in the real world but feel as though it's ok to do it here. Well Oxx, Wally and Mario as you've now found there are ramifications emanating from here as well. It's not funny, it's stupid and it's weak-gutted.

[Ruanaidh]

I can end the race debate, McMahon is a Scottish name meaning Turnover.

In the English/Scotland conflict of 1534 General Gaelan McMahon led the Scottish army to loss after loss against the English and subsequently lost over half of Scotland's territory. His leadership in battle and loss of land was so bad that he was nicknamed 'TURNOVER' by the populaceGreat, now they'll wheel out the Scottish stereotypes:mad::) You have to remember these peanuts aren't particularly smart.

[Ruanaidh]

we're all wogs of sorts boys so WGAF ?

I'm a shi t stirrer - get over it.

re the Roberta Williams comparison - meaning (jokingly) that Wally had had a run in with her....ffs.Roberta would whip your decrepit a__e.

[telsor]

"And the footy players, unless they personally take some course of investigation, have got absolutely no comeback."


And they have so much comeback if they get criticised in other forms of media ( where the comments will be seen much more widely ).

[Goldust]

Well done tigers. Some of your posts have been quoted in Mark Robinsons print article today. The article is online but not the quotes which include;





Here's the online article.

Players cop a blogging

Mark Robinson | May 21, 2008 12:00am

AFL players have been banned from scouring fan websites, for fear the vicious player appraisals could lead to depression.

At one club, support staff also have been threatened with the sack if they are caught blogging or leaking valuable information to the websites.
Labelled "cyber bullying" and "big brother" blogging by the AFL Players' Association, clubs have taken the drastic step of encouraging a boycott of the popular fan sites.
"I wouldn't encourage any players to use them. I think it's for bloggers, and I think it's mostly for titillation rather any decent feedback," AFLPA general manager of psychology, people and culture, Pippa Grange said yesterday.
"It's more your big brother-type trivia.
"I would agree with coaches telling players not to look, but I would also encourage the players not to think of it in any way as criticism - it's just a random sample of people with not much better to do."
Most football clubs have independent supporter websites, including Saintsational, TalkingCarlton, Demonology, Punt Road End, Nick's Collingwood Page and and Bomberblitz.
One of the most popular is BigFooty.
On them, anonymous bloggers ritually attack players for their performances, and the criticisms sometimes carry racial and sexual overtones.
One coach, who did not want to draw attention to his players, yesterday said: "They get real nasty."
The coach said he was aware of one player receiving "particularly scathing" criticism and he had approached the player and asked if he was aware of it.
"Thankfully, he said it didn't matter because he didn't read it, but bloody oath, it could affect the player," the coach said. "It's a serious issue, a major issue.
"Even if one player gets depression, or his form falls away, it could end his career."
One club official last night confirmed the coach had directed some of his players to stop reading sites.
"Yes, we have suggested to some players they avoid online fan sites," the official said.
A football manager from another club said he had addressed the issue with the players.
He also revealed he had warned support staff that if they leaked information to websites, or people knowingly connected to the websites, they would be sacked.
"We have said, 'Whatever you know is not to be passed on to people outside the club'," he said.
He said players had to avoid any scathing critiques.
"It's like critical fan mail, it could do your head in, and it's the same thing with websites.
"You should read some of it, it's rubbish.
"You've got to understand the ego of players and fragility comes with that as well."
Grange yesterday said AFL footballers were in the "culture of celebrities".
"And there's a lot of nasty stuff out there," she said.
She likens it to cyber bullying at schools, where there are alarming cases of bullying bringing on forms of depression and even attempted suicide.
"There's no restriction of what people are able to do with the internet," Grange said.
"Blogging on websites about players is a form of bullying, it's public bullying of people in celebrity positions.
"And the footy players, unless they personally take some course of investigation, have got absolutely no comeback."
Grange said public criticism of players had been addressed, although cyber criticism hadn't specifically been on the agenda.
"We talk to the players about building resilience about feedback and what they need to let through to the keeper, and what's actually value for them and how they make a choice about each," she said.
"We don't specifically focus on websites, but that's going to happen with our digital lifestyle at the minute."
More serious, she said, were players' identities being taken by bloggers.
"The biggest thing I've encountered in my role where it's been a problem is where people take the identity of the player and claim to be making comments on behalf of the player," she said.
"They get obviously quite upset about that."
ANYONE with personal problems can call Lifelineon 131 114; Victorian Statewide Suicide Helpline on 1300 651 251; or Mensline Australia on 1300 789 978.

LMAO reading that article....knew exactly which thread most of those quotes come from!!!

Though, being a touch hypocrtical Robbo.

He's not adverse to openly bucketing players in his columns and on radio!!! What gives him the licence to do that?

[Borgsta]

"And the footy players, unless they personally take some course of investigation, have got absolutely no comeback."

And they have so much comeback if they get criticised in other forms of media ( where the comments will be seen much more widely ).

Exactly. Very weak of Robbo to write this when he (as Goldust said) openly criticises players every week.

[froars]

The thing I find about this is a player has no recourse to what we say on here. He would be damned if he came on here to vent his spleen, but if he doesn't, the abuse continues. Therefore he's in a no-win situation. The thing is, most times the criticism is so unjustified.
If a player's down in form, clubs generally sort them out. They don't need hundreds of opinions on what they do with a player who's not playing that well.
Take Jordy, not his fault the club drafted him, but he's being blamed for everything that goes wrong in this world.
It isn't just him, and most of you know it.
And the ones who don't don't read this 'cos you're beyond help me thinks!

[froars]

Exactly. Very weak of Robbo to write this when he (as Goldust said) openly criticises players every week.

That's a fair point, but it's his job to analyse footy games isn't it? Don't think he picks on a player's ethnicity when he's analysing a player's form though lol

[GoalSneak38]

I get depression everytime I watch him. I get suicidal when l think about the fact that we traded pick 19 for him.

I need a drink.
....and I get funny in the pants when I see the future gun running around who we picked up with your pick 19. Cheers!

[Borgsta]

That's a fair point, but it's his job to analyse footy games isn't it? Don't think he picks on a player's ethnicity when he's analysing a player's form though lol

No and the reason I have stayed out of this thread until the Robbo comment was because I thought it was way over the top and extremely poor form.

However Robbo is one of a number of journos who come out with similar things to race comments. How many times have we seen absolute rubbish about footballers on the front page of newspapers? Crap about girlfriend's, wives, mothers, fathers, brother in laws, fat farms, drugs? It's all fair game to them and to be fair to this board 95% of posters slammed the people who came out with the race comments.