Signs not good for the Gold Coast

[numchuks]

Gee, the chairman of GC17 was super unimpressive on TV tonight. Didn't have an answer on any of the questions asked, and seemed pretty in over his head.

The crowd was terrible. Don't give me crap about North Melbourne, fact is for a region starved of footy and desperate for a team, a crowd of 6,000 is pathetic.

Then you had fans sabotaging the lights, and their U-16s side getting smashed by NSW by 120 points.

Thank **** we didn't relocate there.

Looking very amateur atm.

[FootyJunkie]

$mart

[Captain Afterworld]

Gee, the chairman of GC17 was super unimpressive on TV tonight. Didn't have an answer on any of the questions asked, and seemed pretty in over his head.

I didn't watch the game tonight so I can't comment on this.


The crowd was terrible. Don't give me crap about North Melbourne, fact is for a region starved of footy and desperate for a team, a crowd of 6,000 is pathetic.

The Gold Coast is not desperate for a team because they are getting a team.

There was no incentive for non-supporters of the competing clubs to turn up tonight because the Gold Coast is getting a team regardless of how many people rock up to the games this year. And considering also that the two clubs tonight were a poorly supported Melbourne club which get poor crowds in their own city and a club from the other side of the country which is doing really poorly this year and I'm not sure what you think the crowd figure should of been.

Then you had fans sabotaging the lights

I think everyone except the most ardently anti-Gold Coast folk know that Carrara will be seriously improved before the new team plays there.

and their U-16s side getting smashed by NSW by 120 points.

Yeah well if there is a flogging in a school boys game then obviously it's a sign the region is in massive trouble... :rolleyes:

[Funkalicous]

By not turning up the GC made a statement. - You turn your back on us, we'll turn our back on you. :cool:

Bloody hell... the U-17 side though... :o

[erical]

If the Gold Coast had it's own identity I am sure more of a crowd would show but who in their right minds would want to watch KangaroosFC anyway?

[SweetLeftFoot]

By not turning up the GC made a statement. - You turn your back on us, we'll turn our back on you. :cool:



Good logic. When its a big crowd its a good sign, when its a bad crowd its a good sign.

[Gibbke]

Fact No.1
The Gold Coast has always attracted $h!thouse crowds, even when the locals were playing. The record is 18000 in 1989. About a quarter are above 10000. Not one crowd since the return a few years ago has cracked 12000, even when the Kangas looked like relocating.

Fact No.2
The Qld state govt will not be spending a cent or lifting a finger to upgrade Carrara, because they haven't seen a return on their investment in the Gabba. They just built a brand new League stadium in Robina, and Lang Park is looking mighty fine after their $250m upgrade. They've already said no, and the Gold Coast City Council has never approached the Qld S.Govt about the matter.

Fact No.3
The Kangas were told that they would have to relinquish control of their board to the AFL if they relocated, alongside the well publicised failure of the AFL to deliver on a stadium. Don't get narky with the Roos - they are the only party in this whole saga who've shown any sense! If it were your team in this scenario, would you honestly be happy if they swallowed the bait? Ten created the ____, the AFL wallowed in it, but the Roos relied on their instincts and made sure they walked around it...

Fact No.4
G17's job is to deliver a viability report, basically. They are the locals sussing out the little details. Neither they nor Southport will control the GC AFL side - the AFL will. Wake up, puppets!

Question No.1
Just what exactly do the Roos owe the Gold Coast? There was not a single mention anywhere of a Gold Coast AFL team of any validity until North themselves made the proposal of a return initiated by the upcoming MCG unavailability of 2006 due to the Commonwealth Games. Their reasoning was upfront and clear - sell home games to maximise their return on low crowd drawers, not relocation. Let's not also forget that the Coast had a team, and totally f###ed up the opportunity, just like they did 3 times with the League team, and have done so far as well with one NBL franchise and a baseball team. Turn their back on the Coast? They didn't turn up last night because the game down there ain't that strong, folks! Southport is rich and wealthy because they know how to run a pokies outfit, but let's not confuse this with football heritage and nous of Collingwood or Adelaide proportions. Already said elsewhere that it's ENTIRELY tv driven, so stop the naivity, people, and it won't hurt so much when your dreams aren't lived up to by the reality...

[The Dice Man]

gee what a suprise, a North supporter having a dig at the GC :rolleyes:

Fact No.1
The Gold Coast has always attracted $h!thouse crowds, even when the locals were playing. The record is 18000 in 1989. About a quarter are above 10000. Not one crowd since the return a few years ago has cracked 12000, even when the Kangas looked like relocating.

Essendon played at Carrara in 2005 and drew 16,591 and again in 2006 which drew 13,500.

Collingwood also played Brisbane in one of those years and drew a crowd well over 12,000.

These are practise matches BTW :)

[SweetLeftFoot]

Why aren't there more Hawthorn supporters like this?

[queenslandfan]

i have an idea why the crowd was so bad last night, cause hardly anyone gives a flyinf f*%# about AFL on the gold coast. it wasnt to get back at the roos or any other rubbish people keep brining back. before the titans got in, carrara still got like 16,000 to bulldogs v st. george (2 out of state teams) and carrara is the most horrible stadium to watch league in ever.

seriously get the message people, only ex victorians like AFL up here. GC17 only have 4,000 members so far, just 20% of the final total they need, and you would think if they havent signed up yet, then they never will. the titans had like 4,000 at the logo launch at robina town centre 2 years ago.

[Funkalicous]

The preseason game earlier this year drew a bigger crowd than the roos could.

A GC17 cake sale would attract more people too. :D

[Funkalicous]

seriously get the message people, only ex victorians like AFL up here. GC17 only have 4,000 members so far, just 20% of the final total they need, and you would think if they havent signed up yet, then they never will. the titans had like 4,000 at the logo launch at robina town centre 2 years ago.

GC17 got 4,000 in 2 weeks. Even they were impressed! And they haven't reported how many since.

[numchuks]

The Gold Coast is not desperate for a team because they are getting a team.

There was no incentive for non-supporters of the competing clubs to turn up tonight because the Gold Coast is getting a team regardless of how many people rock up to the games this year. And considering also that the two clubs tonight were a poorly supported Melbourne club which get poor crowds in their own city and a club from the other side of the country which is doing really poorly this year and I'm not sure what you think the crowd figure should of been.

Oh great, since a team on the Gold Coast is guaranteed I guess the crowds from now on are irrelevant. Their supporters work there is done.

They can just sit on their arses and twiddle their thumbs and watch the game on TV like thugby fans.

That's the kind of culture we want this club to have, right?:rolleyes:

I think everyone except the most ardently anti-Gold Coast folk know that Carrara will be seriously improved before the new team plays there.

There has been no signs whatsoever over the last 6 months of any proof that Carrara will be renovated.

Even the GC17 Chairman had no idea where his club would playing in 3 years.

Face it. A fan being able walk up and turn off the lighting in a professional game of football is absolutely ridiculous.

It was not a great advertisement of the credentials of the Gold Coast to the footy world.


Yeah well if there is a flogging in a school boys game then obviously it's a sign the region is in massive trouble... :rolleyes:

If you had any idea, those players will be getting zoned to the Gold Coast club in 2 years.

I mean they got thrashed by NSW ffs.

The Gold Coast team would have to be worried about the lack of talent coming through for them.

[numchuks]

Fact No.1
The Gold Coast has always attracted $h!thouse crowds, even when the locals were playing. The record is 18000 in 1989. About a quarter are above 10000. Not one crowd since the return a few years ago has cracked 12000, even when the Kangas looked like relocating.

Fact No.2
The Qld state govt will not be spending a cent or lifting a finger to upgrade Carrara, because they haven't seen a return on their investment in the Gabba. They just built a brand new League stadium in Robina, and Lang Park is looking mighty fine after their $250m upgrade. They've already said no, and the Gold Coast City Council has never approached the Qld S.Govt about the matter.

Fact No.3
The Kangas were told that they would have to relinquish control of their board to the AFL if they relocated, alongside the well publicised failure of the AFL to deliver on a stadium. Don't get narky with the Roos - they are the only party in this whole saga who've shown any sense! If it were your team in this scenario, would you honestly be happy if they swallowed the bait? Ten created the ____, the AFL wallowed in it, but the Roos relied on their instincts and made sure they walked around it...

Fact No.4
G17's job is to deliver a viability report, basically. They are the locals sussing out the little details. Neither they nor Southport will control the GC AFL side - the AFL will. Wake up, puppets!

Question No.1
Just what exactly do the Roos owe the Gold Coast? There was not a single mention anywhere of a Gold Coast AFL team of any validity until North themselves made the proposal of a return initiated by the upcoming MCG unavailability of 2006 due to the Commonwealth Games. Their reasoning was upfront and clear - sell home games to maximise their return on low crowd drawers, not relocation. Let's not also forget that the Coast had a team, and totally f###ed up the opportunity, just like they did 3 times with the League team, and have done so far as well with one NBL franchise and a baseball team. Turn their back on the Coast? They didn't turn up last night because the game down there ain't that strong, folks! Southport is rich and wealthy because they know how to run a pokies outfit, but let's not confuse this with football heritage and nous of Collingwood or Adelaide proportions. Already said elsewhere that it's ENTIRELY tv driven, so stop the naivity, people, and it won't hurt so much when your dreams aren't lived up to by the reality...

This is an excellent post.

[numchuks]

gee what a suprise, a North supporter having a dig at the GC :rolleyes:

The team I support is irrelevant.

I am on record here as supporting a Gold Coast team, but just because I am North supporter doesn't mean I can't have a crack when things are looking amateur.

[Toshowyouwhy]

I was at the game, is it true the lights were sabotaged, i just thought it was another example of the crapness of the stadium.

The replay screen and scoreboards were crap, there was next to no shelter when it started persisting down, the car park is about 5 kms from the gate and a crowd od 6000 is terrible as it is.

If there is to be any team on the gold coast (which i really hope there isnt) they need to COMPLETELY revamp the stadium.

[The Dice Man]

This is an excellent post.


Pity his 'facts' dont stand up to the slightest scrutiny though.

I guess you read what you want to read into it, but as far as facts go, its a rubbish post.

[Rob]

Then you had fans sabotaging the lights, and their U-16s side getting smashed by NSW by 120 points.


What game was this? I didn't think the under 16's nationals were until July.

[The Teflon Dean]

I was at the game, is it true the lights were sabotaged, i just thought it was another example of the crapness of the stadium.



The replay screen and scoreboards were crap, there was next to no shelter when it started persisting down, the car park is about 5 kms from the gate and a crowd od 6000 is terrible as it is.



If there is to be any team on the gold coast (which i really hope there isnt) they need to COMPLETELY revamp the stadium.

Reports coming in that the figure of 6,300 was inflated.


Rubbish venue, botched past attendances and 27,000 at the Rugby.:thumbsd:

Christ, they couldn't even keep the lights on.:rolleyes:

All the spin in the world can't cover up the debacle that is GC football.

Can anyone imagine how comical West Sydney would be?

It's time for the AFL to shelve this ridiculous joke and reward the service and loyalty of the Tasmanian people.:thumbsu:

[EchucaRoogirl]

If the Gold Coast had it's own identity I am sure more of a crowd would show but who in their right minds would want to watch KangaroosFC anyway?
more than watching Port Power you twit

[Fender]

I was at the game, is it true the lights were sabotaged, i just thought it was another example of the crapness of the stadium.

The replay screen and scoreboards were crap, there was next to no shelter when it started persisting down, the car park is about 5 kms from the gate and a crowd od 6000 is terrible as it is.

If there is to be any team on the gold coast (which i really hope there isnt) they need to COMPLETELY revamp the stadium.

If a GC team came into play then the QLD Goverment or GCCC are not going to spend a cent on Carrara. Skilled has proved to be a massive success at this early stage and if the coast could attract the A-League team for 2009/2010 then it will be even more of a good decision. Suncorp is perfect. The government are yet to see the returns from the Gabba and they arn't going to invest in Carrara when nobody wants an AFL club on the GC.

[FootyJunkie]

Western Sydney v Fremantle - ANZ Stadium on a rainy Satuday Night, predict the crowd.

[littleduck]

Western Sydney v Fremantle - ANZ Stadium on a rainy Satuday Night, predict the crowd.

6,000.

[Captain Afterworld]

Oh great, since a team on the Gold Coast is guaranteed I guess the crowds from now on are irrelevant. Their supporters work there is done.

As the Gold Coast is confirmed to be getting a team the crowds for these 'nuetral' matches in the mean time are meaningless.


It's time for the AFL to shelve this ridiculous joke and reward the service and loyalty of the Tasmanian people.:thumbsu:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that's a good one :thumbsu:

Oh, you're being serious...

[mediumsizered]

I would like someone, other than Kangaroos' fans whose hatred for the Gold Coast is bordering on unhealthy, to explain why AFL fans, who live on the Gold Coast, would want to turn up to a game between the uninspiring North Melbourne & the 15th place West Coast Eagles. This game was a marketing nightmare.

To all those posters who are wishing for the GC venture to fail. Bad luck people, because the AFL have made it clear they are going to make this work, & more importantly, you are all acting in conflict with the team you support, as all 16 current AFL teams have agreed to the expansion of the competition to include a GC based team.

[grayham]

I would like someone, other than Kangaroos' fans whose hatred for the Gold Coast is bordering on unhealthy, to explain why AFL fans, who live on the Gold Coast, would want to turn up to a game between the uninspiring North Melbourne & the 15th place West Coast Eagles. This game was a marketing nightmare.

To all those posters who are wishing for the GC venture to fail. Bad luck people, because the AFL have made it clear they are going to make this work, & more importantly, you are all acting in conflict with the team you support, as all 16 current AFL teams have agreed to the expansion of the competition to include a GC based team.

North were getting about 11,000 per game when people on the GC thought they were a chance of being "there" team. That has dropped to 6000 now that they arent a GC team.

That implies to me that there are 6000 hard core AFL fans there who will attend any footy, and a further 5000 who will attend any team that hints at representing the "GC". On that data, you have to assume the a totally GC team would easily capture those 11,000 and increase it by several 1000 on top.

[Wednesday]

I would like someone, other than Kangaroos' fans whose hatred for the Gold Coast is bordering on unhealthy, to explain why AFL fans, who live on the Gold Coast, would want to turn up to a game between the uninspiring North Melbourne & the 15th place West Coast Eagles. This game was a marketing nightmare.

To all those posters who are wishing for the GC venture to fail. Bad luck people, because the AFL have made it clear they are going to make this work, & more importantly, you are all acting in conflict with the team you support, as all 16 current AFL teams have agreed to the expansion of the competition to include a GC based team.

Because Gold Coast people are crying out for AFL football....or so we keep getting told.

[mediumsizered]

Because Gold Coast people are crying out for AFL football....or so we keep getting told.

No, they are actually wanting their own team. Last year they thought North Melbourne were going to be the team & embraced them. They now know this is not the case &, faced with a game between a team that chose not to make the Gold Coast their home (can't blame North for that, Melbourne is its home) & the 15th placed Eagles, who have already conceded the 'cue is back in the rack', the incentive to attend was just not there. It is not the sort of game that would have had GC based AFL followers 'licking their chops'. It shouldn't be forgotten that the NAB Cup game at Carrara during the pre-season drew a bigger crowd than this one. Give the GC people a reason to attend games & they will attend, as they did last season.

[mediumsizered]

North were getting about 11,000 per game when people on the GC thought they were a chance of being "there" team. That has dropped to 6000 now that they arent a GC team.

That implies to me that there are 6000 hard core AFL fans there who will attend any footy, and a further 5000 who will attend any team that hints at representing the "GC". On that data, you have to assume the a totally GC team would easily capture those 11,000 and increase it by several 1000 on top.

That is exactly right. There was no incentive for 'walk-up' supporters to attend last night's game. 6000 diehards turned up. I have no doubt that a game between a Gold Coast team & most of the Melbourne based teams & of course Brisbane, would easily match, if not better the figures seen last season. It is just a shame that some supporters refuse to see the big picture & that big picture is one of the fastest growing regions in Australia getting its own team & the AFL cashing in on what comes with that in the long term.

We have our own teams that we want to see prosper, but it is important that the AFL continues to prosper & turning its back on a major growth area would be extremely bad business. It would be just like Aldi deciding not to build supermarkets on the Gold Coast because Gold Coasters have always shopped at Woolworths or Coles. Offer a good product, at a good price, market it well & you will win over some of the Woolworths & Coles shoppers & those that aren't committed to either.

[astro_toby]

good on nth for not going somewhere they didn't want to go either way - don't blame nth supporters for hating GC , if someone tried to force my team out of town i'd be pissed off too

[Rob]

good on nth for not going somewhere they didn't want to go either way - don't blame nth supporters for hating GC , if someone tried to force my team out of town i'd be pissed off too

That doesn't explain why the bulk of North fans on this board are so vehemently anti-expansion on the GC or in West Sydney. The people of the Gold Coast, nor do the people running the GC17 consortium have anything to do with the position they're in now.

[MickZu]

That doesn't explain why the bulk of North fans on this board are so vehemently anti-expansion on the GC or in West Sydney.

North fans are anti GC or WS because if those teams come to fruition, one or more Melbourne teams will merge or vanish, North being the first to go.

Bookmark it!!!!! :cool:

[Gibbke]

gee what a suprise, a North supporter having a dig at the GC :rolleyes:

Essendon played at Carrara in 2005 and drew 16,591 and again in 2006 which drew 13,500.

Collingwood also played Brisbane in one of those years and drew a crowd well over 12,000.

These are practise matches BTW :)

Then why not relocate Essendon or Collingwood to Carrara? I believe that Collingwood played another Vic team in a practice match (might have been North) and drew a big attendance...

Here's another fact - there are about 25000 Lions fans in Brisbane who show up to the Gabba. How would I know? My season tickets and regular attendance at various times since I moved to Qld 12 years ago have provided a good study in crowd composition. Disregard the peak of the Lions supremacy a few years ago, when they racked 35000 no matter what, and you start seeing which teams bring them in, based upon the colours you see in the crowd. The big 2 nearly drown out the maroon and gold in many areas, the next level of Carlton, Hawthorn, Sydney are respectable, but you'll be hard pressed to see anyone dressed in teal or purple no matter where either side is on the ladder.

So if you can replicate that support in a population about 1/5 the size of greater Brisbane, I'll shut up...North (who I don't barrack for by the way, the sig to your left should show that) would have been blindly following the brighty shiny pretty lights if they relocated, but whether it would have been good for them would have been entirely in the eye of the beholder...

Just don't believe the hype, guys...

[Rob]

North fans are anti GC or WS because if those teams come to fruition, one or more Melbourne teams will merge or vanish, North being the first to go.

Bookmark it!!!!! :cool:

Wouldn't have thought the 2 are linked. The AFL doesn't want a bye, irrespective of whether there are 16 or 18 teams.

[TheMase]

The Brisbane game was also on live up there, that would have kept some supporters away from going to the game.

[Gibbke]

Pity his 'facts' dont stand up to the slightest scrutiny though.

I guess you read what you want to read into it, but as far as facts go, its a rubbish post.

Pffft...like you'd know...and you prove it by adding nothing except practice match stats.

[pcazzy]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that's a good one :thumbsu:

Oh, you're being serious...

well yes, we are being serious. at least we can consistently fill a stadium to near capacity. and after round 8, you compare the game at launnie vs the game at carrara. which team, based on the turnouts and passion, deserves to be the next team. i can only imagine what a joke the western sydney team will be.

[Gibbke]

North fans are anti GC or WS because if those teams come to fruition, one or more Melbourne teams will merge or vanish, North being the first to go.

Bookmark it!!!!! :cool:

If WSydney come in, North, Melbourne and Footscray (everyone's favourite targets when it comes to these viability arguments) will be safe for a few years yet.

Why? Because that will create a 9-game deal. Let's not forget that the current arrangement demands 8 games a week - doesn't matter what they are, just as long as they are there for the networks to cover. When the deal is signed and there are 18 teams in the comp, the stipulation will be for 9 a week, and the AFL will do exactly what they do now - throw a few bucks in to keep a few clubs in a little less discomfort...9 games, max exposure in ALL states - ker-ching - (insert Dr Evil pose here) - "that's one Billion dollars, Mini-Me..."...

Now if we were going to 17 teams with just the GC and not WS for a sizeable period, then we might have a problem...with a precedent:

In 1995-96, the pressure was well and truly on Fitzroy because Port had been admitted in 1994, but wouldn't play until there was a vacancy. The AFL openly stated they didn't want a 17th team, and continued this line for a couple of years until Port put the foot down about the money they were wasting in this holding pattern, and the AFL then said on principle that they'd play in 1997 no matter what (grumbling under their breath as they did so). Fitzroy were in a position not much worse than Carlton's recently, but were eaten alive by the Bears, egged on by an AFL wanting to make their northern franchise a little more healthy, and make everything nice and symmetrically pretty on the draw...

And if we go to 18, the merger and relocation pushes will disappear, unlike 1996, because all the markets of any consequence are taken...the AFL knows it might be able to tempt one struggler for a merger, but two is nearly impossible as proven, and you'd need four agreeable sides to make it a 16 team comp...and unlike Super League, who did achieve this through some heavy handed stuff (legally unsuccessful too in the case of SSydney), there's no warring factions or peace deals to broker here...

[Captain Afterworld]

well yes, we are being serious.

No, The Mercury is trying to sell newspapers, the Tasmanian government is on the bandwagon to make themselves look good, and the people of Tasmania who don't realise it is all hot air are getting their hopes up over nothing.

[numchuks]

Funny how all those arguing for the negative here are dodging everything mentioned in the opening post.

No answers on the disappointing results of the junior state side?

The uninspiring performance of the GC17 chairman?

Or the whole lighting fiasco?

Put all the spin on the crowd numbers you want. There is no doubt that last night was an entire embarrassment for everyone involved with footy on the Gold Coast.

You'd have to be an idiot to argue otherwise.

[pharro]

I think everyone except the most ardently anti-Gold Coast folk know that Carrara will be seriously improved before the new team plays there.



Yeah you'd hope so but no-one is putting up there hand atm. Not the AFL, not the council and not the state govt.

[RoyalBlue]

The preseason game earlier this year drew a bigger crowd than the roos could.

A GC17 cake sale would attract more people too. :D
Give the cake sale a footy side.

[The Dice Man]

Pffft...like you'd know...and you prove it by adding nothing except practice match stats.


Well Ive been to quite a few of the Practice games in Carrara over the last few years. I live on the GC and work in the busiest hotel on the coast meaning I speak to many people... both locally and not so locally and GFooty is a huge passion of mine so I talk about it a lot:o.

I also lived within a kilometre of the Carrara stadium for 5 years which all combine to give me some kind of an idea. My work had guests of the GC17 consortium staying inhouse tonight in fact, and depsite protests, its happening, and quite a few people stand to make quite a bit of money out of it.


I thought the reason I gave practice match crowd stats would be clear, but I'll explain it to you.

Even practice matches on the GC draw better crowds than the North-WCE fixturing disaster.

Gold Coast crowds owe the kangaroos nothing, and that shows from the attendance figures. Build the GC their own team, and they will come.

[one 4 the road]

What game was this? I didn't think the under 16's nationals were until July.
You are correct Rob, nationals aren't until July but the NSW side always plays QLD in a practice match before the champs. They take it in turns to host game, last year it was in Canberra.
This year they are also playing NT as well.

[royboy2]

Why would the GC people show up?

Its like proposing to marry someone, not showing up for the wedding then coming back months later expecting sex

[The Teflon Dean]

Why would the GC people show up?

Its like proposing to marry someone, not showing up for the wedding then coming back months later expecting sex

Agree.

The AFL were disgraceful in misleading the people of the Gold Coast.

North sure as hell never promised relocation when the contract to play on the Gold Coast was drawn up, that's a fact.

We were invited out for a drink and ended up getting our drink spiked.

[sydney eagle]

Didn't they have a heavy rainstorm just before the game was due to start ? That might have kept some peole away.

[Father Jack]

I noticed the lights were brightly lit up whilst driving down Nielsens Rd tonight. All except for one tower that is. They've buggered that one up good and proper it would seem.

As it turns out that tower was on a generator because a transformer blew out in a storm a few months ago, and it was the generator that got switched off.

[Wednesday]

No, they are actually wanting their own team. Last year they thought North Melbourne were going to be the team & embraced them. They now know this is not the case &, faced with a game between a team that chose not to make the Gold Coast their home (can't blame North for that, Melbourne is its home) & the 15th placed Eagles, who have already conceded the 'cue is back in the rack', the incentive to attend was just not there. It is not the sort of game that would have had GC based AFL followers 'licking their chops'. It shouldn't be forgotten that the NAB Cup game at Carrara during the pre-season drew a bigger crowd than this one. Give the GC people a reason to attend games & they will attend, as they did last season.

But they are not getting their own team for another three years so in the meantime if the people on the Gold Coast were crying out for AFL football, they would turn up to watch anyone play.

The attendance on Saturday night shows how much they are crying out for an AFL side.

Make all the excuses you want. The attendance speaks for itself.

[mediumsizered]

But they are not getting their own team for another three years so in the meantime if the people on the Gold Coast were crying out for AFL football, they would turn up to watch anyone play.

The attendance on Saturday night shows how much they are crying out for an AFL side.
Make all the excuses you want. The attendance speaks for itself.

The Gold Coast is crying out for its own team, not a Melbourne-based, low support team playing a 15th placed Perth team. The AFL know North Melbourne's 3 games at Carrara this season, are a marketing nightmare. In contrast, several thousand GC people have already signed up on the GC17 website. They know they are getting their own team, so there is no incentive to go along & watch 2 neutral teams play. I, personally, will be making a point of going to watch the team play next year, whether they play in the QAFL, VFL or TAC Cup & I have no doubt plenty of others will be doing the same. On the other hand, I have no intention of attending the games at Carrara this year because they hold no more interest than any of the other games that don't involve Carlton.

You just don't seem to understand that the promise of an AFL side on the Gold Coast in 2011 has made North Melbourne games at Carrara irrelevant. Who could Gold Coast AFL supporters possibly support in a game between North Melbourne & West Coast, or North Melbourne & St Kilda? The only attendances that will be relevant will be those at Gold Coast games from 2011 onwards, because no matter how bitter you & some of your fellow North Melbourne supporters are about the Gold Coast, there will be a Gold Coast team playing in the AFL from 2011. Your team, along with the other 15 AFL teams have already voted on their admission to the competition.

[fairdinkum]

The Gold Coast is crying out for its own team, not a Melbourne-based, low support team playing a 15th placed Perth team. The AFL know North Melbourne's 3 games at Carrara this season, are a marketing nightmare. In contrast, several thousand GC people have already signed up on the GC17 website. They know they are getting their own team, so there is no incentive to go along & watch 2 neutral teams play. I, personally, will be making a point of going to watch the team play next year, whether they play in the QAFL, VFL or TAC Cup & I have no doubt plenty of others will be doing the same. On the other hand, I have no intention of attending the games at Carrara this year because they hold no more interest than any of the other games that don't involve Carlton.

You just don't seem to understand that the promise of an AFL side on the Gold Coast in 2011 has made North Melbourne games at Carrara irrelevant. Who could Gold Coast AFL supporters possibly support in a game between North Melbourne & West Coast, or North Melbourne & St Kilda? The only attendances that will be relevant will be those at Gold Coast games from 2011 onwards, because no matter how bitter you & some of your fellow North Melbourne supporters are about the Gold Coast, there will be a Gold Coast team playing in the AFL from 2011. Your team, along with the other 15 AFL teams have already voted on their admission to the competition.

Here's the logic you seem to be missing, mediumsizered:
*If the GC really wants its own team, this must be because they really love footy.
*If they really love footy, they'll go and watch any live game they can - especially if they only get three per year.
Therefore, they should (in theory) be going to watch North's games this year - even if just to support whoever we play against, or even just as a neutral observer.

If the GC only wants its own team for the sake of having its own team (and not due to an overwhelming passion for watching footy) where does that leave GC17's support when the hype dies down and the team goes through an inevitable form slump (as is commonplace in modern football's team success cycle)?

[gostk86]

Here's the logic you seem to be missing, mediumsizered:
*If the GC really wants its own team, this must be because they really love footy.
*If they really love footy, they'll go and watch any live game they can - especially if they only get three per year.
Therefore, they should (in theory) be going to watch North's games this year - even if just to support whoever we play against, or even just as a neutral observer.

If the GC only wants its own team for the sake of having its own team (and not due to an overwhelming passion for watching footy) where does that leave GC17's support when the hype dies down and the team goes through an inevitable form slump (as is commonplace in modern football's team success cycle)?

Norths are a cash strap, crap image team up here. People basically thought, why do we want to see them?
Saints, hawks, geelong they would turn up.

[gostk86]

Also Gold coast fooled the afl into how many people actually supported the game. The 'event' attached to games last year was major, also people up here last year generally supported norths and they are prob p1$$ed they declined the move.

[littleduck]

Here's the logic you seem to be missing, mediumsizered:
*If the GC really wants its own team, this must be because they really love footy.
*If they really love footy, they'll go and watch any live game they can - especially if they only get three per year.
Therefore, they should (in theory) be going to watch North's games this year - even if just to support whoever we play against, or even just as a neutral observer.

If the GC only wants its own team for the sake of having its own team (and not due to an overwhelming passion for watching footy) where does that leave GC17's support when the hype dies down and the team goes through an inevitable form slump (as is commonplace in modern football's team success cycle)?
You've got it all wrong. The Gold Coast don't necessarily want a team, but if they get one they'll go along for the ride and support them. The reality is the AFL want the Gold Coast to have a team because it fits neatly within their strategic vision for a increasingly more national competition and to consolidation gains in core expansion markets.

[fairdinkum]

You've got it all wrong. The Gold Coast don't necessarily want a team, but if they get one they'll go along for the ride and support them. The reality is the AFL want the Gold Coast to have a team because it fits neatly within their strategic vision for a increasingly more national competition and to consolidation gains in core expansion markets.

You see, that is why I put the 'if' in front of each of my premises. :thumbsu:

[Wednesday]

The Gold Coast is crying out for its own team, not a Melbourne-based, low support team playing a 15th placed Perth team. The AFL know North Melbourne's 3 games at Carrara this season, are a marketing nightmare. In contrast, several thousand GC people have already signed up on the GC17 website. They know they are getting their own team, so there is no incentive to go along & watch 2 neutral teams play. I, personally, will be making a point of going to watch the team play next year, whether they play in the QAFL, VFL or TAC Cup & I have no doubt plenty of others will be doing the same. On the other hand, I have no intention of attending the games at Carrara this year because they hold no more interest than any of the other games that don't involve Carlton.

You just don't seem to understand that the promise of an AFL side on the Gold Coast in 2011 has made North Melbourne games at Carrara irrelevant. Who could Gold Coast AFL supporters possibly support in a game between North Melbourne & West Coast, or North Melbourne & St Kilda? The only attendances that will be relevant will be those at Gold Coast games from 2011 onwards, because no matter how bitter you & some of your fellow North Melbourne supporters are about the Gold Coast, there will be a Gold Coast team playing in the AFL from 2011. Your team, along with the other 15 AFL teams have already voted on their admission to the competition.

No bitterness at all here. I just cannot understand how if there are meant to be so many passionate AFL people up there, like we are being told there is by people like yourself, why it is that they don't seize every opportunity they get to go and watch a game live?

Big deal. A few thousand people have signed up to a website. It cost them nothing and means the same. At this point in time there is only one way for the Gold Coast to show their support for a Gold Coast team and that is to turn up to AFL games on the Gold Coast. Even if all you want to do is direct your mis-guided anger at North, turning up will show that you want a team and care about AFL football.

By staying away, all you are doing is harming your own chances of getting a team and providing an opening - albeit a slight one - for a place like Tassie to get a team instead. Don't presume that because the AFL says you are getting a team, that you will get one. The AFL has been known to say certain things will happen, and then fail to deliver, before you know.

[Professor Knowall]

North are toxic.

First they try to make Sysdney there second home - but only on a fly-in, fly-out basis. Naturally this dumb idea (stupidly funded by the AFL) bombs.

They then took the same sort of deal to Canberra - again damaging the code there (again stupidly funded by the AFL) , maybe permanently, when they pulled the pin.

Then they whored their franchise to the Gold Coast with the same deadly results (again stupidly funded by the AFL).

To avoid further damage to our great game, this putrid disease ridden bankrupt, privately owned rabble should never EVER be allowed to sell home games anywhere away from Melbourne again - just let them die a natural death here. Few will care. Even fewer will miss them.

And North supporters have no cause to whinge. It was their own apathy and ignorance that resulted in there club being privatised in the first place.

[Father Jack]

No bitterness at all here. I just cannot understand how if there are meant to be so many passionate AFL people up there, like we are being told there is by people like yourself, why it is that they don't seize every opportunity they get to go and watch a game live?

Big deal. A few thousand people have signed up to a website. It cost them nothing and means the same. At this point in time there is only one way for the Gold Coast to show their support for a Gold Coast team and that is to turn up to AFL games on the Gold Coast. Even if all you want to do is direct your mis-guided anger at North, turning up will show that you want a team and care about AFL football.

By staying away, all you are doing is harming your own chances of getting a team and providing an opening - albeit a slight one - for a place like Tassie to get a team instead. Don't presume that because the AFL says you are getting a team, that you will get one. The AFL has been known to say certain things will happen, and then fail to deliver, before you know.

It does seem to be mainly North supporters who are carrying on though. They have their team in Melbourne, and if anything 9 Melbourne teams is sillier than one on the Gold Coast. Either way, why are they so keen to dish dirt on the Gold Coast now they are (almost) gone?

[Capitalist]

In line with other posts, can someone expalin why north fans still feel the need to argue against a Gold Coast team ?

its not going to be north so whats they big issue, I only say this because it seems that the majoirty of anti-GC stuff is North fans ?

what do you know that the rest of us don't ?

[fishmonger]

it seems that the majoirty of anti-GC stuff is North fans ?

what do you know that the rest of us don't ?

they are realists

the rest of you are deluded by the AFL's delusions of grandeur

the Gold Coast is no more ready for an AFL team than the moon is

the sad truth is that the total number of Queensland based members - Brisbane Lions + Gold Coast, + North Melbourne couldn't fill Carrara

[pazza]

Brisbane's biggest crowd at Carrara happened in the very first season of the Bears.

Somehow, they got 22512 into Carrara when the Bears met Fitzroy (Easter Sunday 1987).

And the place was barely there at the time. This will be a disaster.

[mediumsizered]

No bitterness at all here. I just cannot understand how if there are meant to be so many passionate AFL people up there, like we are being told there is by people like yourself, why it is that they don't seize every opportunity they get to go and watch a game live?



The same measure could be used about North Melbourne supporters. If they are so passionate about their team staying and surviving in Melbourne, why would a crowd of only 23k turn up for the Round 4 match against Melbourne, which, incidentally, was transferred from Carrara? North Melbourne apparently have more than 30k paid up members. Allowing for maybe even as low as 7-8K Melbourne supporters turning up, that is only 15k North supporters that turned up. Given Eugene Arocca has conceded North lost $1000 on the 28k attendance for the Round 6, game against Sydney, how much was lost on the Melbourne game?

If North Melbourne supporters want their team to survive & prosper in Melbourne, they need to seize every opportunity to attend games in their masses. Or do some North supporters think the battle is already won?

Just as the AFL have been propping up North Melbourne Football Club financially, they will be more than happy to prop up a Gold Coast team until they are fully embraced by the Gold Coast (mind you the Gold Coast Bulletin are doing a fantastic job in getting the message out there into the community).

[Gibbke]

Well Ive been to quite a few of the Practice games in Carrara over the last few years. I live on the GC and work in the busiest hotel on the coast meaning I speak to many people... both locally and not so locally and GFooty is a huge passion of mine so I talk about it a lot:o.

I also lived within a kilometre of the Carrara stadium for 5 years which all combine to give me some kind of an idea. My work had guests of the GC17 consortium staying inhouse tonight in fact, and depsite protests, its happening, and quite a few people stand to make quite a bit of money out of it.


I thought the reason I gave practice match crowd stats would be clear, but I'll explain it to you.

Even practice matches on the GC draw better crowds than the North-WCE fixturing disaster.

Gold Coast crowds owe the kangaroos nothing, and that shows from the attendance figures. Build the GC their own team, and they will come.

Well, you must be in the inner sanctum then. In the 12 years I've lived in Qld, including a lengthy stint in Ashmore, Bundall, Burleigh and Stephens, I saw absolutely nothing to indicate a GC interest of the level you're telling us. Additionally, the 60-odd Carrara games played when they had their very own GC team, got hardly anyone through the gates. Yes, it's a new city these days, and we've all seen how a better approach can change things around, no better example existing than the Titans, but there still isn't much to work with - you only have to look at how hard the Lions have to work to keep the punters loyal to see that the GC isn't an oasis.

In any case, the bulk of my argument isn't about the viability of the GC, because I've said that the AFL will MAKE it work because it's the key to their next round of tv rights deals. My argument was in defence of North, a team I don't barrack for and on any given day don't care for, but who as clear as day have been made a scapegoat by unworthy people and severely shafted and rorted themselves by the organisation supposed to support them. This should concern ALL fans, because outside the favoured few, the AFL have proven they will cut your throat if they think you're the runt of the litter...

[Gibbke]

The same measure could be used about North Melbourne supporters. If they are so passionate about their team staying and surviving in Melbourne, why would a crowd of only 23k turn up for the Round 4 match against Melbourne, which, incidentally, was transferred from Carrara? North Melbourne apparently have more than 30k paid up members. Allowing for maybe even as low as 7-8K Melbourne supporters turning up, that is only 15k North supporters that turned up. Given Eugene Arocca has conceded North lost $1000 on the 28k attendance for the Round 6, game against Sydney, how much was lost on the Melbourne game?


I don't know the exact answer myself here, but if Lions membership is anything to go by, I'm wondering what the admittance deal for this game was, given that everything was printed up before the switch. If the member can't get in free, they won't go. This is just like the Dees home game at the Gabba of years past, where 35000 would show up to Lions home games, but only a sub 20000 crowd would go to a Dees "home game" - this only improved when the Lions membership included this match too...

[fairdinkum]

The same measure could be used about North Melbourne supporters. If they are so passionate about their team staying and surviving in Melbourne, why would a crowd of only 23k turn up for the Round 4 match against Melbourne, which, incidentally, was transferred from Carrara? North Melbourne apparently have more than 30k paid up members. Allowing for maybe even as low as 7-8K Melbourne supporters turning up, that is only 15k North supporters that turned up. Given Eugene Arocca has conceded North lost $1000 on the 28k attendance for the Round 6, game against Sydney, how much was lost on the Melbourne game?

If North Melbourne supporters want their team to survive & prosper in Melbourne, they need to seize every opportunity to attend games in their masses. Or do some North supporters think the battle is already won?

Just as the AFL have been propping up North Melbourne Football Club financially, they will be more than happy to prop up a Gold Coast team until they are fully embraced by the Gold Coast (mind you the Gold Coast Bulletin are doing a fantastic job in getting the message out there into the community).

I think the bold bit answers the rest of your rant. If you are trying to compare support for our team with support for a gold coast team you are clearly deluded.

Yes, it is unfortunate that more didn't turn up to the game v Melbourne, but it was still far more than would have turned up had the game been played at Carrara as originally planned.

As for 'propping us up', anyone who compares a million dollars or so here and there to millions upon millions upon millions every year is either idiotic, or (as I presume is the case with you) simply trying to be cheeky.

[Wednesday]

The same measure could be used about North Melbourne supporters. If they are so passionate about their team staying and surviving in Melbourne, why would a crowd of only 23k turn up for the Round 4 match against Melbourne, which, incidentally, was transferred from Carrara? North Melbourne apparently have more than 30k paid up members. Allowing for maybe even as low as 7-8K Melbourne supporters turning up, that is only 15k North supporters that turned up. Given Eugene Arocca has conceded North lost $1000 on the 28k attendance for the Round 6, game against Sydney, how much was lost on the Melbourne game?

If North Melbourne supporters want their team to survive & prosper in Melbourne, they need to seize every opportunity to attend games in their masses. Or do some North supporters think the battle is already won?

Just as the AFL have been propping up North Melbourne Football Club financially, they will be more than happy to prop up a Gold Coast team until they are fully embraced by the Gold Coast (mind you the Gold Coast Bulletin are doing a fantastic job in getting the message out there into the community).

The difference is that 'only 23k' is considered a dissapointing crowd for a North v Melbourne game. Every North supporter would conceed that. If 'only 23k' turned up to a Gold Coast v anyone game it would be beyond your wildest expectations.

North actually have over 33,000 paid up members. You have 4,000 expresions of interest. There is a big difference between the two.

[numchuks]

In line with other posts, can someone expalin why north fans still feel the need to argue against a Gold Coast team ?

its not going to be north so whats they big issue, I only say this because it seems that the majoirty of anti-GC stuff is North fans ?

what do you know that the rest of us don't ?

For the last time, I'm not anti-Gold Coast.

I support a Gold Coast team.

I just feel that Saturday Night's game highlighted the many problems the Gold Coast bid has at the moment.

Which might I add, has been ignored by everyone in this thread thus far.

Just because I follow North, doesn't mean I can't put their issues up for debate.

[JoondalupJ]

Gee, the chairman of GC17 was super unimpressive on TV tonight. Didn't have an answer on any of the questions asked, and seemed pretty in over his head.

The crowd was terrible. Don't give me crap about North Melbourne, fact is for a region starved of footy and desperate for a team, a crowd of 6,000 is pathetic.

Then you had fans sabotaging the lights, and their U-16s side getting smashed by NSW by 120 points.

Thank **** we didn't relocate there.

Looking very amateur atm.
The Gold Coast and West Sydney will be disasters if they go ahead and will be detrimental to all the other clubs looking for new talent. We don't have the population
the diluting of the standard will be dreadful, mark me! Plus Demitriou is an ambitious
fool.

[erpel9999]

Brisbane's biggest crowd at Carrara happened in the very first season of the Bears.

no it wasn't - it was vs geelong rd 15 1989 - 18198

Somehow, they got 22512 into Carrara when the Bears met Fitzroy (Easter Sunday 1987).

no they didn't - 17795 it was the bears first ever game.

And the place was barely there at the time. This will be a disaster.

the only point i do agree with :)

[Kram81]

A North Melbourne supporter started this thread. What a surprise..

[Capitalist]

For the last time, I'm not anti-Gold Coast.

I support a Gold Coast team.

I just feel that Saturday Night's game highlighted the many problems the Gold Coast bid has at the moment.

Which might I add, has been ignored by everyone in this thread thus far.

Just because I follow North, doesn't mean I can't put their issues up for debate.

thats fair enough, maybe my observation wasn't quite as accurate as i thought.

[pazza]

no it wasn't - it was vs geelong rd 15 1989 - 18198



no they didn't - 17795 it was the bears first ever game.



the only point i do agree with :)


What's your source - mine is "Every Game Ever Played - 1989 edition"

[numchuks]

A North Melbourne supporter started this thread. What a surprise..

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11048257&postcount=15

[Gibbke]

What's your source - mine is "Every Game Ever Played - 1989 edition"

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/afl_index.html

[stmookeyj]

Big deal. A few thousand people have signed up to a website. It cost them nothing and means the same.

Exactly he same as signing an online petition either way (for or against) the GC team.

That is exactly right. There was no incentive for 'walk-up' supporters to attend last night's game.

Despite publicity and advertising? I know the Lions were on the same night but let's face it not more than 100K would have watched that game on TV. And with the Reds in Brisbane the only other live footy code being played in the region that night, they would not have had a better opportunity.


GC17 got 4,000 in 2 weeks. Even they were impressed! And they haven't reported how many since.

Wonder why....


gee what a suprise, a North supporter having a dig at the GC :rolleyes:



Essendon played at Carrara in 2005 and drew 16,591 and again in 2006 which drew 13,500.

Collingwood also played Brisbane in one of those years and drew a crowd well over 12,000.

These are practise matches BTW :)

Both of those however were against Brisbane. Put Essendon against Fremantle at GC and see what happens.

[erpel9999]

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/afl_index.html

thanks Gibbke, that was my source.

[The Teflon Dean]

A North Melbourne supporter started this thread. What a surprise..

Freo supporters talking about anything other than Freo.

What a surprise.:rolleyes:

[PumpyChowdown]

::sigh::

Why, oh why, does everyone continually harp on about crowd attendance? The Gold Coast will be a success through increase televisioni viewing, and that alone for the first 10 - 15 years.

How many new television viewers in Melbourne do North Melbourne attract each year? 10, maybe 15?

How many new television viewers with the Gold Coast attract each year? Well, I would safely assume that perhaps 50,000 to even as many as 150,000 in it's first year alone. One could also assume that their viewer will increase by 10,000 - 15,000 each year until it reaches a critical mass in 10 years or so, after they are introduced.

Now, put on your thinking caps and work out what that means in additional revenue to the AFL in terms of TV rights and advertising rights and sponsorship and kids choosing AFL over soccer or NRL.

The Gold Coast will be paying for itself from day one if you look at the bigger picture.

[Pridinator]

Well, you must be in the inner sanctum then. In the 12 years I've lived in Qld, including a lengthy stint in Ashmore, Bundall, Burleigh and Stephens, I saw absolutely nothing to indicate a GC interest of the level you're telling us. Additionally, the 60-odd Carrara games played when they had their very own GC team, got hardly anyone through the gates. Yes, it's a new city these days, and we've all seen how a better approach can change things around, no better example existing than the Titans, but there still isn't much to work with - you only have to look at how hard the Lions have to work to keep the punters loyal to see that the GC isn't an oasis.

In any case, the bulk of my argument isn't about the viability of the GC, because I've said that the AFL will MAKE it work because it's the key to their next round of tv rights deals. My argument was in defence of North, a team I don't barrack for and on any given day don't care for, but who as clear as day have been made a scapegoat by unworthy people and severely shafted and rorted themselves by the organisation supposed to support them. This should concern ALL fans, because outside the favoured few, the AFL have proven they will cut your throat if they think you're the runt of the litter...
Great so you think the AFL

That team was constructed in 3 months hardly basis for a valid comparison.
And the cream of the crop if you allow drugs to become an issue in your club something for Hawks fans to consider.....;)