Ins and Outs V Richmond

[Schmick]

IN: NLM, Pears, Watson
OUT: Laycock, Monfries, Winderlich (Rested)

Pears as a 3rd tall, Ryder to play in the ruck :thumbsu:

[THOMO_31]

gotta bring mcphee, jj

[OzBomber]

I believe JJ must come in. We need hard bodies in our midfield.

[THOMO_31]

and watson. so 3 ins thats all i would make

[Sigmund]

Watson and Pears to come in for mine



Think Darcy should get one more game even though he has not been great. Even though Gus torched the footy a few times, I think he was much better than the majority of the team.

[retroparty]

McPhee and Watson in. Monfries and Slattery out.

[lamaros]

Out: Daniher, Monfries, Winderlich, Rama/Slattery
In: McPhee, Watson, Pears, NLM.

[DonMania#5]

In: Mcphee, JJ, NLM, Pears

Out: Slattery, Laycock, Monfries/Winderlich(inj), Daniher (rest)

[bombersno1]

Monfries was our highest possession getter today, should and will not be dropped. I'd say

Outs: Laycock, Winderlich

Ins: Pears, Watson

[Daytripper]

In : Watson, McPhee, Lovett-Murray,
Out : Jetta (needs confidence), Winderlich (needs fitness), Daniher

[BomberAce7]

In - Johnson, Mcphee, Lovett-Murray, Watson.
Out - Stanton, Winderlich, Monfries, Neagle.

[DonMania#5]

Monfries was our highest possession getter today, should and will not be dropped. I'd say

So what if he was highest possession getter?
Quality >>>>>>>>>>>> Quantity

[Schmick]

I believe JJ must come in. We need hard bodies in our midfield.
JJ is past it. We did alright in the cleances today, and with the addition of Watson in there next week, we'll be fine.

[caboose]

IN: Watson, Pears, McPhee, Johnson (stuff Knights and Horsburgh), Lovett-Murray.

OUT: Daniher, Winderlich (clearly unfit - wtf cleared him to play?!), Laycock, Jetta/Monfries, Ramanauskas.

[SOT4]

Out: Monfries, Laycock, Daniher

[Schmick]

Monfries was our highest possession getter today, should and will not be dropped.
Did you watch the game? He butchered nearly every kick, it was absolutely disgraceful, not just crap.

He needs to go back to Bendigo and work on his disposal.

[bombersno1]

So what if he was highest possession getter?
Quality >>>>>>>>>>>> Quantity

Yes, but at least he is finding the pill..amazing he gets the ball when he actually plays in the midfield..take note Knights..he is a damn midfielder! I agree his possessions could be of better quality, but he was nowhere near the worst, in fact he was pretty good in quite a few areas.

[lamaros]

JJ is past it. We did alright in the cleances today, and with the addition of Watson in there next week, we'll be fine.

Exactly. What we need are people like McPhee and NLM who can mark the football and tackle. JJ is not that player.

And Monfries is only good for winning free kicks because he is small (unlike Stanton, who wins free kicks because he's constantly being held). He cannot make it and should be dropped.

I feel sorry for Daniher. The kid plays well in the the forward line for Bendigo and Knights brings him into the first team only to throw him all over the place and destroy his confidence. Disgusting coaching.

So Pears (who can defend) will come in for Daniher.
McPhee for Monfries.
Watson for Winderlich.
NLM for Slattery or Rama.

Showed how much we missed McPhee today. Really missed him. And Jetta needs more of a run through the midfield in order to find the pace of the game again. With Monfries out he'll get that chance.

[THOMO_31]

In - Johnson, Mcphee, Lovett-Murray, Watson.
Out - Stanton, Winderlich, Monfries, Neagle.

he is our only good midfieder

[bombersno1]

He needs to go back to Bendigo and work on his disposal.

He was nowhere near the WORST. If he needs to go back..so does about half the side who were worse than Monfries!

[Schmick]

He was nowhere near the WORST. If he needs to go back..so does about half the side who were worse than Monfries!
No he wasn't, but his disposal clearly was.

[lamaros]

He was nowhere near the WORST. If he needs to go back..so does about half the side who were worse than Monfries!

Dyson is better than Monfries.

You Monfries fans have issues. The kid has never shown anything in the midfield. All he has ever shown is some goals as a small forward.

[retroparty]

Monfries needs to be dropped. Doesn't matter if he got the most disposals today his disposal was appauling. He needs to be dropped so he can work on his kicking and get some confidence. No good keeping a player in who can't kick. It would be a good lesson for him.

[THOMO_31]

Monfries needs to be dropped. Doesn't matter if he got the most disposals today his disposal was appauling. He needs to be dropped so he can work on his kicking and get some confidence. No good keeping a player in who can't kick. It would be a good lesson for him.


usually his kicking is pretty good. so i rekon 2day was jsut a bad day. i rkeon give him another chance. at least he was gettin his hands on it 2day

[bomba4eva]

Laycock infuriates me enormously! So much talent...
And it is doubtful we would trade him as we dont have a second ruckman:o Would fetch a decent pick too even if he is extremely lazy

Out: Laycock

In: McPhee

For now.....

[Sigmund]

In - Johnson, Mcphee, Lovett-Murray, Watson.
Out - Stanton, Winderlich, Monfries, Neagle.

I can not understand this at all.. I am not even going to try and justify why he should be in the team... it is evident to all who know anything about football..

[table tennis]

Courtney Johns in. PLay out of goal square, promise him 100% of the game time, and tell him that he wont be dropped for they year. We are going to finish bottom 4 anyway. See what he has got. If he keeps going up and down we will never see anything. A couple of years ago he played 2-3 games where he looked really impressive. I believe that with confidence shown in him we might get another glimpse of that.
Besides, everytime we went inside 50 today, llyod had 3 to beat as their was no real targets other than him. So with someone the size of Johns, he will be able to take some heat off Lloyd. Dyson needs to come in. he would have got the ball monfries got, but disposal is 10 times better. Monfries needs to go. Watson to come in. McPhee down back.

[Sigmund]

Courtney Johns in. PLay out of goal square, promise him 100% of the game time, and tell him that he wont be dropped for they year. We are going to finish bottom 4 anyway. See what he has got. If he keeps going up and down we will never see anything. A couple of years ago he played 2-3 games where he looked really impressive. I believe that with confidence shown in him we might get another glimpse of that.
Besides, everytime we went inside 50 today, llyod had 3 to beat as their was no real targets other than him. So with someone the size of Johns, he will be able to take some heat off Lloyd. Dyson needs to come in. he would have got the ball monfries got, but disposal is 10 times better. Monfries needs to go. Watson to come in. McPhee down back.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo:(

[THOMO_31]

I can not understand this at all.. I am not even going to try and justify why he should be in the team... it is evident to all who know anything about football..


totally agree:thumbsu:

[donsman4eva]

In: JJ, McPhee, NLM, Watson, Pears
Out: Monfries, Daniher, Laycock, Houli, Slattery/WInderlich

I think Houli could do with a run in the reserves, not because his form means he should be dropped, but just to give him a rest with some match practice, if that makes sense.

If Winderlich's groin is still going to be problematic, then just rest him. There's really no point pushing him while we have no chance of making the finals.

[THOMO_31]

in has to be KEPLER BRADLEY:thumbsu:

[timbo3195]

In: JJ, McPhee, NLM, Watson, Pears
Out: Monfries, Daniher, Laycock, Houli, Slattery/WInderlich

I think Houli could do with a run in the reserves, not because his form means he should be dropped, but just to give him a rest with some match practice, if that makes sense.

If Winderlich's groin is still going to be problematic, then just rest him. There's really no point pushing him while we have no chance of making the finals.

No chance?
If we win every game for the rest of the season we'll make them ;)

[bomberstomake8]

i would kick out laycock but i think we need ryder to play on richo

so
ins: mcphee, NLM, pears, watson
outs: winderlick, daniher, monfries, and a bit controversial but stanton??

he didnt really have the excuse of a tight tag today and all he seems to do is get the easy kicks and quick handballs our the back, butchered the ball on a number of occasions

[THOMO_31]

i would kick out laycock but i think we need ryder to play on richo

so
ins: mcphee, NLM, pears, watson
outs: winderlick, daniher, monfries, and a bit controversial but stanton??

he didnt really have the excuse of a tight tag today and all he seems to do is get the easy kicks and quick handballs our the back, butchered the ball on a number of occasions


ryder will get found out if richo plays on the wing. hasnt got the tank to play on him at there.

[High Ryder]

INS: Mcphee, NLM, Johnson, Pears, Watson

OUTS: Daniher, Laycock, Jetta, Slattery, and one more


Really need to bring some more experienced heads in the team after a few thrashings in a row.

[bomberstomake8]

ryder will get found out if richo plays on the wing. hasnt got the tank to play on him at there.

yeah i didnt mean for the whole match though... obviously you would switch a bit, maybe give ryder most of the game on him but rest him down back on a less mobile opponent in patches..
we really dont have anyone else to stop richo..

[bomberstomake8]

INS: Mcphee, NLM, Johnson, Pears, Watson

OUTS: Daniher, Laycock, Jetta, Slattery, and one more


Really need to bring some more experienced heads in the team after a few thrashings in a row.

i thought slattery was okay today... stopped okeefe for most of the game

[THOMO_31]

yeah i didnt mean for the whole match though... obviously you would switch a bit, maybe give ryder most of the game on him but rest him down back on a less mobile opponent in patches..
we really dont have anyone else to stop richo..


yeh thats right i rkeon we mite have 2 put mcphee on him when hes down the ground. cant think of anyone else maybe fletcher for a lil while 2

[sante]

Nash?

[Jono B]

In: McPhee, Watson.
Out: Winderlich (get him right first), someone else.

We need a steady line up and coherence more than anything. Changing 5 players is not going to help.

[Windas_Magic]

Nash?
If he can't make the best for Bendigo then maybe another game in the two's will be good for him. Not sure where he played today, but playing in defence has exposed him a bit. I'd give him a full game on ball at Bendigo and see how he goes against a lower class of players

[BomberAce7]

he is our only good midfieder

He's not even that! Nor ever will be.

[Windas_Magic]

He's not even that! Nor ever will be.
Ok, this Stanton bagging is getting ridiculous. What do you expect from him? He ran hard, he was found in the packs more, he had 5 tackles and also had 19 touches when half the team struggled to get 15. He wasn't our worst player today and was better than a majority of the team. As a 22 year old, he is expected to carry a midfield when at most other clubs, he wouldn't have that responsibility

[bomberstomake8]

Ok, this Stanton bagging is getting ridiculous. What do you expect from him? He ran hard, he was found in the packs more, he had 5 tackles and also had 19 touches when half the team struggled to get 15. He wasn't our worst player today and was better than a majority of the team. As a 22 year old, he is expected to carry a midfield when at most other clubs, he wouldn't have that responsibility

i agree he was probably more in and under then i have seen him in a while which is encouraging but what annoys me is when a player marks the ball goes back 10 meters looking for an option instead of providing an option further up the ground he runs behind the player for a cheap kick, he doesnt have a good disposal so he should just let the player with the ball kick it instead of picking up useless stats..
he played better then what he has for most of the season but he still picks up the easy possessions that mean nothing and often put the team in a worse position due to his poor disposal

[bombersno1]

Dyson is better than Monfries.

You Monfries fans have issues. The kid has never shown anything in the midfield. All he has ever shown is some goals as a small forward.

Dyson has ZERO defensive pressure, at least Monfries tackles. If Dyson played today we would have got lapped by 120 points!

[BomberAce7]

Ok, this Stanton bagging is getting ridiculous. What do you expect from him? He ran hard, he was found in the packs more, he had 5 tackles and also had 19 touches when half the team struggled to get 15. He wasn't our worst player today and was better than a majority of the team. As a 22 year old, he is expected to carry a midfield when at most other clubs, he wouldn't have that responsibility

5 tackles! That's a career 1st. His 1st kick went straight to the opposition as normal. Must be the reason why this club is a rabble at present, Most people actually believe that Brent is a important player to the side. He does nothing!!!!! He gets the pill runs, stops, runs backwards, disposess of the ball by hand or foot straight back to the opposition majority of the time.

[ant555]

Courtney Johns in. PLay out of goal square, promise him 100% of the game time, and tell him that he wont be dropped for they year. We are going to finish bottom 4 anyway. See what he has got. If he keeps going up and down we will never see anything. A couple of years ago he played 2-3 games where he looked really impressive. I believe that with confidence shown in him we might get another glimpse of that.
Besides, everytime we went inside 50 today, llyod had 3 to beat as their was no real targets other than him. So with someone the size of Johns, he will be able to take some heat off Lloyd. Dyson needs to come in. he would have got the ball monfries got, but disposal is 10 times better. Monfries needs to go. Watson to come in. McPhee down back.

Johns did his hammy today so he wont be an in.....

[lamaros]

i agree he was probably more in and under then i have seen him in a while which is encouraging but what annoys me is when a player marks the ball goes back 10 meters looking for an option instead of providing an option further up the ground he runs behind the player for a cheap kick, he doesnt have a good disposal so he should just let the player with the ball kick it instead of picking up useless stats..
he played better then what he has for most of the season but he still picks up the easy possessions that mean nothing and often put the team in a worse position due to his poor disposal

It is what he's been TOLD TO DO. You think he just does it of his own accord every single week? :rolleyes:

And his disposal is pretty good. Much better that many other guys, which is why they're giving the ball to him.

If everyone else on our list used the footy as well as Stanton and could cover the ground like he does we'd be in a much better place.

He is a 22 year old in a midfield that has only one experienced player (McVeigh) who gets tagged closely every week (must average 3+ free kicks every week due to being held by taggers, and that's just when the ump is looking). He has been moved from an outside role to an inside one this year and he is still one of our most consistent players.

The Stanton bagging on this forum is a disgrace. If Stanton was dropped then the opposition would have the luxury of tagging McVeigh and then we'd truly get destroyed in the midfield.

Give it a rest.

[bombersno1]

Johns did his hammy today so he wont be an in.....

Terrible shame that...happy that Pears was in the Best on field though!:thumbsu:

[High Ryder]

5 tackles! That's a career 1st. His 1st kick went straight to the opposition as normal. Must be the reason why this club is a rabble at present, Most people actually believe that Brent is a important player to the side. He does nothing!!!!! He gets the pill runs, stops, runs backwards, disposess of the ball by hand or foot straight back to the opposition majority of the time.Clueless.... How anyone can bag Stanton is beyond me, if all the players in our team worked as hard as him we'd be much more competitive.

[Sigmund]

5 tackles! That's a career 1st. His 1st kick went straight to the opposition as normal. Must be the reason why this club is a rabble at present, Most people actually believe that Brent is a important player to the side. He does nothing!!!!! He gets the pill runs, stops, runs backwards, disposess of the ball by hand or foot straight back to the opposition majority of the time.

BomberAce - I think that you are being blinded by emotion here. You have been presented with a very valid stat (5 tackles) and simply explain it away by saying it is a career first. Fact is that he still laid 5 tackles, which is more than most today, and he also had 19 touches, which is more than most. Who would you prefer in there? Dyson, Winders, Lovett??? As a previous poster said, he is in his very ealrly 20's, getting a tag most weeks, and expected to be our #1 midfielder... Given that he is not a number one midfielder as yet, I recon he is doing a good job.

[ant555]

Clueless.... How anyone can bag Stanton is beyond me, if all the players in our team worked as hard as him we'd be much more competitive.

You surely ment to say if all the players worked as hard as him offensively didnt you ?

[Sigmund]

5 tackles! That's a career 1st. His 1st kick went straight to the opposition as normal. Must be the reason why this club is a rabble at present, Most people actually believe that Brent is a important player to the side. He does nothing!!!!! He gets the pill runs, stops, runs backwards, disposess of the ball by hand or foot straight back to the opposition majority of the time.

Just out of interest BomberAce - who would you have in the midfield (who is on our list currently) ahead of him?

[High Ryder]

You surely ment to say if all the players worked as hard as him offensively didnt you ?
So you think he should be dropped?

He has flaws in his game but he is still easily in our best 10 players.

[lamaros]

You surely ment to say if all the players worked as hard as him offensively didnt you ?

You didn't watch the game today?

[bomberstomake8]

It is what he's been TOLD TO DO. You think he just does it of his own accord every single week? :rolleyes:

And his disposal is pretty good. Much better that many other guys, which is why they're giving the ball to him.

If everyone else on our list used the footy as well as Stanton and could cover the ground like he does we'd be in a much better place.

He is a 22 year old in a midfield that has only one experienced player (McVeigh) who gets tagged closely every week (must average 3+ free kicks every week due to being held by taggers, and that's just when the ump is looking). He has been moved from an outside role to an inside one this year and he is still one of our most consistent players.

The Stanton bagging on this forum is a disgrace. If Stanton was dropped then the opposition would have the luxury of tagging McVeigh and then we'd truly get destroyed in the midfield.

Give it a rest.

how do you know he is told to do that? are you in there with knights when he is talking to the team? you dont know that you think that..

personally when i dont see the point in knights telling him to do that, if you were going to do that you would have someone like fletcher in stantons role so that he can dispose of the ball well...
i dont think stanton should be dropped, i through that out there for a reaction...

i know he is the hardest worker in our team, today he took a step forward with his tackling and in and under work but he wasnt really under a tight tag and i disagree with you that knights would tell him to run behind the man after taking a mark just so he cant take the easy handball...

[lamaros]

i know he is the hardest worker in our team, today he took a step forward with his tackling and in and under work but he wasnt really under a tight tag and i disagree with you that knights would tell him to run behind the man after taking a mark just so he cant take the easy handball...

You're wrong.

And Jack obviously didn't give him a tight tag, the 4 free kicks he gave away for holding were just a co-incidence, eh?

[BomberAce7]

BomberAce - I think that you are being blinded by emotion here. You have been presented with a very valid stat (5 tackles) and simply explain it away by saying it is a career first. Fact is that he still laid 5 tackles, which is more than most today, and he also had 19 touches, which is more than most. Who would you prefer in there? Dyson, Winders, Lovett??? As a previous poster said, he is in his very ealrly 20's, getting a tag most weeks, and expected to be our #1 midfielder... Given that he is not a number one midfielder as yet, I recon he is doing a good job.

Ok i need to make this clear. Personally i dont believe he is any good. He has been at our club for 5 years & he is no better than he was in his 1st year, in fact he is worse. His disposal hasnt improved. His decision making hasnt improved. I keep hearing cop outs that he's only 22, he's always tagged e.t.c e.t.c. Enough of the excuses! He works hard big deal for little reward. Its time to put up or shut up.

[BomberAce7]

Just out of interest BomberAce - who would you have in the midfield (who is on our list currently) ahead of him?

McVeigh, Lonergan, Watson.

[Windas_Magic]

Sorry guys, got a bit mixed up. Stanton had one tackle and 5 free kicks for. Now that means two things, he is actually putting his body in to win the frees and opposition are wanting to limit him at stoppages. He does it tough every week Stanton with the tag, but still chooses to run hard and offer to the team.
Ant, you pointed out he only works one way, and he probably knows that he has to work on that part of his game. He isn't costing us games and it amazes me that so many people come out and bag the hell out of him when in fact half the team deserves it more than him

[Sigmund]

McVeigh, Lonergan, Watson.

Some fair suggestions there ace

[lamaros]

Ok i need to make this clear. Personally i dont believe he is any good. He has been at our club for 5 years & he is no better than he was in his 1st year, in fact he is worse. His disposal hasnt improved. His decision making hasnt improved. I keep hearing cop outs that he's only 22, he's always tagged e.t.c e.t.c. Enough of the excuses! He works hard big deal for little reward. Its time to put up or shut up.

You are a ____ing idiot.

His disposal has improved.
His decision making has improved.
He gets tagged every week and rarely has support from others in the midfield. Only Watson and McVeigh contribute.

Daniel ____ing Kerr gets smashed when he's the only decent player in the midfield, and he's playing alongside experienced premiership midfielders and "guns" like Rosa a Priddis. Why the ____ should Stanton turn into superman and fix the inexperience and lack of class in our midfield all by himself?

McVeigh has only really become a solid consistent midfielder for us in the last two years. Before that he was able to play forward or back without as much pressure on him. McVeigh is 27. Stanton is 22. It's not a ____ing excuse to say that Stanton is 22, it's reality. The kid is 22 and is copping the pressure of expectation, the best opposition tagger, and a lack of support from his team-mates every week and is still performing well enough to keep copping the #1 tag. Given the circumstances it is not an excuse to say that we shouldn't be expecting a whole heap more from him, it's a bloody good reason.

Cooney has only come into his own this year at the Bulldogs to the extent that he is taking games apart, yet Cooney is a #1 draft pick and is playing along side Griffen, Cross, West, and other experienced midfielders.

Stanton is playing alongside Watson (though not this week), McVeigh (though not for the previous few weeks), and a rotating cast of young kids which change every week and yet somehow people are expecting him to shoulder that pressure, focus and responsibility and somehow dominate matches. It is pathetic.

[Ben the Gooner]

IN: McPhee, NLM, Pears
OUT: Daniher, Winder (not fully fit), one more

Pretty self-explanatory really.

[Sigmund]

Ok i need to make this clear. Personally i dont believe he is any good. He has been at our club for 5 years & he is no better than he was in his 1st year, in fact he is worse. His disposal hasnt improved. His decision making hasnt improved. I keep hearing cop outs that he's only 22, he's always tagged e.t.c e.t.c. Enough of the excuses! He works hard big deal for little reward. Its time to put up or shut up.


You are right in that we have not seen rapid improvement over 5 years... I can not agree that he is worse though. What I am saying, at least as I am trying to say it, is not a cop out. What I am saying is that he is our best option at the moment because our poor recruiting has left us with very few experienced options in the midfield. But I still think he is a much better player than you give him credit for.

[Kong]

Ok i need to make this clear. Personally i dont believe he is any good. He has been at our club for 5 years & he is no better than he was in his 1st year, in fact he is worse. His disposal hasnt improved. His decision making hasnt improved. I keep hearing cop outs that he's only 22, he's always tagged e.t.c e.t.c. Enough of the excuses! He works hard big deal for little reward. Its time to put up or shut up.

not that i needed any more incentive to block you, but that comment did it. go have a look at the tapes from 2004 and then watch next week against richmond. then come back to me and try telling me that again. to say he hasn't improved, let alone has gone backwards, is an absolute joke. you're having a laugh

[lamaros]

not that i needed any more incentive to block you, but that comment did it. go have a look at the tapes from 2004 and then watch next week against richmond. then come back to me and try telling me that again. to say he hasn't improved, let alone has gone backwards, is an absolute joke. you're having a laugh

This is a guy who gave Riemers (who has 16 possessions, 5 clangers, and was directly responsible for a couple of goals when he ran off his man) 2 votes against Sydney. You can't really expect much from him.

[THOMO_31]

McVeigh, Lonergan, Watson.

longergan will b a good player but he had 8 2day so was not ahead of stanton 2day. mcveigh i agree but he has only started playin really good football the last 2 years or so. i bet u were baggin him early in his career. and watson i like him but he butchers the ball way more than stanton. so ur players dont really add up mate

[BomberAce7]

You are right in that we have not seen rapid improvement over 5 years... I can not agree that he is worse though. What I am saying, at least as I am trying to say it, is not a cop out. What I am saying is that he is our best option at the moment because our poor recruiting has left us with very few experienced options in the midfield. But I still think he is a much better player than you give him credit for.

I do agree there that he really is in the team cos we have nobody else. If we could have our drafting all over again he wouldnt have got a gig.

[Ben the Gooner]

longergan will b a good player but he had 8 2day so was not ahead of stanton 2day. mcveigh i agree but he has only started playin really good football the last 2 years or so. i bet u were baggin him early in his career. and watson i like him but he butchers the ball way more than stanton. so ur players dont really add up mate

pls jst spk nrmly kthxbi

It's really annoying.

[BomberAce7]

longergan will b a good player but he had 8 2day so was not ahead of stanton 2day. mcveigh i agree but he has only started playin really good football the last 2 years or so. i bet u were baggin him early in his career. and watson i like him but he butchers the ball way more than stanton. so ur players dont really add up mate

Nah never bagged Spike ever. He's hard, he's tough & uses the ball. Cant say the same for Brent. Brent butchers the pill more than Jobe so Jobe in front.

[THOMO_31]

pls jst spk nrmly kthxbi

It's really annoying.


dont read it then

[THOMO_31]

Nah never bagged Spike ever. He's hard, he's tough & uses the ball. Cant say the same for Brent. Brent butchers the pill more than Jobe so Jobe in front.


yeh he might be hard at it.but has only become a really good performer over the last 2 years. so you are tryin to tell me that jobe doesnt butcher the ball as much at stants.

[Merv]

Stanton is playing alongside Watson (though not this week), McVeigh (though not for the previous few weeks), and a rotating cast of young kids which change every week and yet somehow people are expecting him to shoulder that pressure, focus and responsibility and somehow dominate matches. It is pathetic.

Yet you have no issue in criticizing Riemers who is 18, in his first year of senior football, has moved interstate and has played about 8 games....

[HighettBomber]

In: Pears, McPhee

Out: Slattery, Daniher (only because I think he needs to play a bit at VFL level for his development)

I seriously wish we hadn't given Slattery another 2 years, he is no good and has no upside. NLM should never play another game, he teases when we are playing well, but does nothing when its his turn to stand up. I'm sick of him.

I can't see that there are too many other changes we could make. There isn't really anyone for Bendigo banging down the door. Nash and Dyson need at least one more match before they come back in.

Jetta would want to find a bit more of the ball in his next match as should a number of others, particulalry Laycock. I'm rapidly also getting sick of seeing him waste his talent.

[Sigmund]

Some fair suggestions there ace

To clarify - I think that they are fair suggestions because I think they are all good players or could be good players (in Sam's case).. But I do not think any of them are a long way ahead of Brent...

[bombersno1]

I have said this time and time again, Stanton is a damn good player. However he should not under any circumstances be the team's best midfielder as frankly he is hopeless under a tag, reminds me of Travis Johnstone a lot in that regard. It however is hardly Stantpn's fault that he is our best mid. I blame Dodoro and Sheedy primarily for this. Completely screwing up the 2005 draft is the prime reason we have no A Grade mids. This forces Stanton to be the no1 mid, and he is doing his best in a position he should not be in. Hopefully in the next 2 years Myers and Daniel Rich/Tom Swift step into the midfield and release Stanton a bit to be at least the 2nd midfielder.

[Sigmund]

I do agree there that he really is in the team cos we have nobody else. If we could have our drafting all over again he wouldnt have got a gig.

Ace - not sure if you took the point of my post. Our poor recruiting has forced him to be the #1 midfielder before he is ready to be. This does not mean that he is not good enough to get a game. I think that he would in fact be a more impactful player in a better midfield.. I rate him, bottom line

[THOMO_31]

I have said this time and time again, Stanton is a damn good player. However he should not under any circumstances be the team's best midfielder as frankly he is hopeless under a tag, reminds me of Travis Johnstone a lot in that regard. It however is hardly Stantpn's fault that he is our best mid. I blame Dodoro and Sheedy primarily for this. Completely screwing up the 2005 draft is the prime reason we have no A Grade mids. This forces Stanton to be the no1 mid, and he is doing his best in a position he should not be in. Hopefully in the next 2 years Myers and Daniel Rich/Tom Swift step into the midfield and release Stanton a bit to be at least the 2nd midfielder.


agree 100 %

[kelvin_sheedy]

I have said this time and time again, Stanton is a damn good player. However he should not under any circumstances be the team's best midfielder as frankly he is hopeless under a tag, reminds me of Travis Johnstone a lot in that regard. It however is hardly Stantpn's fault that he is our best mid. I blame Dodoro and Sheedy primarily for this. Completely screwing up the 2005 draft is the prime reason we have no A Grade mids. This forces Stanton to be the no1 mid, and he is doing his best in a position he should not be in. Hopefully in the next 2 years Myers and Daniel Rich/Tom Swift step into the midfield and release Stanton a bit to be at least the 2nd midfielder.

How so?

[lamaros]

Yet you have no issue in criticizing Riemers who is 18, in his first year of senior football, has moved interstate and has played about 8 games....

Point me to the bit where I have failed to give Reimers credit for the good things he has done? You won't find it.
Point me to the bit where I said I have given up on Reimers and said he deserves to be dropped? Good luck.

I have said that Reimers is an 18 year old who as far as I am concerned isn't going to get much better than he it at the moment, and that his best at the moment isn't that great. He deserves his spot in the team and he deserves his chance, but I personaly don't think he will ever be a star.

However I have used him as an example when responding to some people who will go out of their way to abuse Stanton, Watson and others because these people seem to think that Reimers is already (look at the number of idiots who had him in the best 3 vs Sydney) better than those players, when this is clearly not the case.

There is a difference between criticism that has reasoning and is backed up by reality and the simple blind spewing of useless bilge over and over again even when the evidence all points to the person being wrong.

[bombersno1]

And to be honest if we have ANY and I mean ANY chance in games this year we need Spike released to that 2nd midfielder and the only way of doing that is for Watson to cop the tag. I guess in a way it will make Stanton a better player in the long run, but I do hope Myers and hopefully Rich or Swift come in next year and start taking that 1st midfielder spot. It will help our team so much. People don't realise how good Stanton is in front of goals becuase he is always getting tagged. Release him and he will be a 25-35 goal a season midfielder!

[Sigmund]

I have said this time and time again, Stanton is a damn good player. However he should not under any circumstances be the team's best midfielder as frankly he is hopeless under a tag, reminds me of Travis Johnstone a lot in that regard. It however is hardly Stantpn's fault that he is our best mid. I blame Dodoro and Sheedy primarily for this. Completely screwing up the 2005 draft is the prime reason we have no A Grade mids. This forces Stanton to be the no1 mid, and he is doing his best in a position he should not be in. Hopefully in the next 2 years Myers and Daniel Rich/Tom Swift step into the midfield and release Stanton a bit to be at least the 2nd midfielder.

Good post Bombers... But I think that the list damage was done in the 2000-2004 drafts. The 2005 draft was not too bad when compared with some of these picks

[bombersno1]

How so?

Not picking the right players, we won't mention 2004 because that wasn't much better either. No need to go into details but picking up washed up players was only going to set us back. Sheedy went for a 5th flag and it has come back to bite us on the arse literally. We went way to much KPP heavy as well.

[bombersno1]

Good post Bombers... But I think that the list damage was done in the 2000-2004 drafts. The 2005 draft was not too bad when compared with some of these picks

Yep and they were bad as well. Point is, from 2000-2005 our drafting was nothing short of horrid, and it has set our list back 4 years. It is the reason Stanton is forced to carry a huge burden and it is the prime reason our list is horrible. If you are relying on kids in their 2nd season you are well stuffed to say the least!

[dohbot]

In: , NLM, McPhee, Watson, Nash, Sheedy
Out: Laycock, Rama, Winderlich, Daniher, Knights

[THOMO_31]

In: , NLM, McPhee, Watson, Nash, Sheedy
Out: Laycock, Rama, Winderlich, Daniher, Knights


get over this sheedy knights stuff. sheedy has left us with this list. so he isnt gonna help us. let knights have a couple of years to bulid who he wants at the club,

[bombersno1]

Dead agreed, I'll give Knights 3 years with my full support. No coach would have coached this Essendon side to a win today. Sydney are a seasoned premiership winning side. They were always going to win

[Merv]

Point me to the bit where I have failed to give Reimers credit for the good things he has done? You won't find it.
Point me to the bit where I said I have given up on Reimers and said he deserves to be dropped? Good luck.

I have said that Reimers is an 18 year old who as far as I am concerned isn't going to get much better than he it at the moment, and that his best at the moment isn't that great. He deserves his spot in the team and he deserves his chance, but I personaly don't think he will ever be a star.

However I have used him as an example when responding to some people who will go out of their way to abuse Stanton, Watson and others because these people seem to think that Reimers is already (look at the number of idiots who had him in the best 3 vs Sydney) better than those players, when this is clearly not the case.

There is a difference between criticism that has reasoning and is backed up by reality and the simple blind spewing of useless bilge over and over again even when the evidence all points to the person being wrong.

I didn't say you have said any of those things though, so why bring them up as they are totally irrelevant to what i said.

You had no issue criticizing Riemers disposal and just today you said he is a bigger Monfries, is that a rap?

I agree with you that the criticism if Stanton is ridiculous, although some of it is warranted, but you have criticized Reimers unfairly also, albeit not as savagely, which is what i was pointing out.

[donsman4eva]

Point me to the bit where I have failed to give Reimers credit for the good things he has done? You won't find it.
Point me to the bit where I said I have given up on Reimers and said he deserves to be dropped? Good luck.

I have said that Reimers is an 18 year old who as far as I am concerned isn't going to get much better than he it at the moment, and that his best at the moment isn't that great. He deserves his spot in the team and he deserves his chance, but I personaly don't think he will ever be a star.

However I have used him as an example when responding to some people who will go out of their way to abuse Stanton, Watson and others because these people seem to think that Reimers is already (look at the number of idiots who had him in the best 3 vs Sydney) better than those players, when this is clearly not the case.

There is a difference between criticism that has reasoning and is backed up by reality and the simple blind spewing of useless bilge over and over again even when the evidence all points to the person being wrong.
First of all, I take offense in being called an idiot. Now to Reimers.

He was one player who attacked the ball hard all day, ran the lines, chased and tackled. OK, his disposal wasnt great, but you know what, he had 21 mates out there with the same rubbish disposal. Its useless to point out one or two players who had bad disposal today, because everyone did.

[kelvin_sheedy]

Not picking the right players, we won't mention 2004 because that wasn't much better either. No need to go into details but picking up washed up players was only going to set us back. Sheedy went for a 5th flag and it has come back to bite us on the arse literally. We went way to much KPP heavy as well.

Who were the right players we should have picked instead of Ryder, Dempsey, Neagle, Lonergan?

[bombersno1]

Who were the right players we should have picked instead of Ryder, Dempsey, Neagle, Lonergan?

It wasn't just 2005, I'll admit 2005 was better than the previous 4 years though. 2001 in a superdraft that has set up most clubs we were horrible. Instead we traded for short term fix solutions for a 5th flag. Who is the only one to blame for this- SHEEDY. He went for a 5th flag and it has set us back years.

[donsman4eva]

Who were the right players we should have picked instead of Ryder, Dempsey, Neagle, Lonergan?

Just remember, you asked for this...

Ryder - Right choice
Dempsey - Right choice
Neagle - Alipate Carlisle/Ryan Gamble
Lonergan - Matthew Stokes.
Camporeale - Jason Porplyzia
McKinnon - Jason Roe
Hocking - Matt Priddis
Firman - Cheynee Stiller
O'Keefe - Ben McGlynn

Now i know its in hindsight blah blah blah... But that is what we COULD have had, not that im complaining about what we do have mind you.

[lamaros]

You had no issue criticizing Riemers disposal and just today you said he is a bigger Monfries, is that a rap?

Depends who you ask! Some people think Monfries is the next best midfielder since sliced bread. :D

He was one player who attacked the ball hard all day, ran the lines, chased and tackled. OK, his disposal wasnt great, but you know what, he had 21 mates out there with the same rubbish disposal. Its useless to point out one or two players who had bad disposal today, because everyone did.

Stanton actually had the highest number of effective kicks in our team. Stanton had the second highest (to McVeigh) number of contested possessions. Stanton was dogged by Jack.

Reimers wasn't tagged, was not defending close enough on his man a couple of times, and turned it over a fair bit.

Yes, Reimers wasn't the worst on the pitch, but he wasn't anything special either. Compared to Stanton he was deffinatly worse.

And that's the point. People come in here bagging Stanton while pumping up Reimers, but the fact is that Stanton was much better than Reimers this week and has been better than Reimers, and many other players, most weeks this year.

So don't have a whinge when I criticise Reimers, fairly, in response to over the top criticism of Stanton that has NOTHING to do with reality.

[lamaros]

Just remember, you asked for this...

Ryder - Right choice
Dempsey - Right choice
Neagle - Alipate Carlisle/Ryan Gamble
Lonergan - Matthew Stokes.

Now i know its in hindsight blah blah blah... But that is what we COULD have had, not that im complaining about what we do have mind you.

I'd take Neagle and Lonergan, thanks.

I'm still not sold on Dempsey.

[bombersno1]

Just remember, you asked for this...

Ryder - Right choice
Dempsey - Right choice
Neagle - Alipate Carlisle/Ryan Gamble
Lonergan - Matthew Stokes.
Camporeale - Jason Porplyzia
McKinnon - Jason Roe
Hocking - Matt Priddis
Firman - Cheynee Stiller
O'Keefe - Ben McGlynn

Now i know its in hindsight blah blah blah... But that is what we COULD have had, not that im complaining about what we do have mind you.

It is more the other drafts, 2004 was ordinary, but 2001 was probably the single worst decision in the last 10 years of our footy club. By drafting duds and not getting any players out of that superdraft we are well and truely stuffed, as these players that should have been taken in the 2001 draft would be mature aged now and that is what we lack big time. We have no-one in the middle age bracket

[donsman4eva]

Stanton actually had the highest number of effective kicks in our team. Stanton had the second highest (to McVeigh) number of contested possessions. Stanton was dogged by Jack.

Reimers wasn't tagged, was not defending close enough on his man a couple of times, and turned it over a fair bit.

Yes, Reimers wasn't the worst on the pitch, but he wasn't anything special either. Compared to Stanton he was deffinatly worse.

And that's the point. People come in here bagging Stanton while pumping up Reimers, but the fact is that Stanton was much better than Reimers this week and has been better than Reimers, and many other players, most weeks this year.

So don't have a whinge when I criticise Reimers, fairly, in response to over the top criticism of Stanton that has NOTHING to do with reality.
I didnt whinge that you criticised Reimers, everyone is entitled to their opinion, I was just annoyed that you called me an idiot for voicing my opinion.

And for the record, I havent ever bagged Stanton, so dont go accusing people of such things just on assumptions. I just feel that there were better players that him today. You dont and that fine, its an opinion mate. You just have to realise that others are just as entitled to their opinion as you are to voice yours.

[Nuts4Bolts]

I'd take Neagle and Lonergan, thanks.

I'm still not sold on Dempsey.

Lonegan ahead of Stokes?

[kelvin_sheedy]

It wasn't just 2005, I'll admit 2005 was better than the previous 4 years though. 2001 in a superdraft that has set up most clubs we were horrible. Instead we traded for short term fix solutions for a 5th flag. Who is the only one to blame for this- SHEEDY. He went for a 5th flag and it has set us back years.

Yeah, we did make a few mistakes in 00-03 but there were reasons for it aswell.

You just making stuff up though. You need to look at it in a bit more detail.

Firstly we had pretty poor picks early and couldn't get a superstar midfielder. We made a mistake or two in others but if you look at who was next then it really isn't as bad as it seems.

You have to remember that we had 3 A'ish grade midfielders a few years back in Rioli, Rama and JJ who have had the latter stages of their career decimated by injury.

I think our biggest mistake was not clearing enough in 04.

Some of our good players we have drafted have had injury problems and haven't played enough games to develop properly to this stage - Demspey, Winderlich

[eastaugh36]

get over this sheedy knights stuff. sheedy has left us with this list. so he isnt gonna help us. let knights have a couple of years to bulid who he wants at the club,

If you believe what we hear about Knights when he was interviewed, he rates it a good list to take control of.

[THOMO_31]

Lonegan ahead of Stokes?


stokes ahead right now. but u have 2 remember. he is part of a geelong side full of guns.