Our tackling is still terrible

[Roger Dodger]

Despite the perceived increase in intensity of our tackling very few stick and even more are ineffective.

The main difference from previous years is that our guys aren't getting brushed off as easily as they once did. Big deal.

Too many times on Saturday (and during our many "honourable" losses) have our players grabbed an opposition player and allowed them to get the handball off - usually to one of their teammates running by.

If you watch Sydney or Brisbane, they usually grab the player's arm making it impossible to dish off. They also knock the ball out in tackles, a great ploy. It's called raking in Rugby League. It's quite legal in the AFL but you wouldn't know it to watch guys like Tuck, Johnson, McMahon, Morton and especially Tambling (who might have nabbed Joel Selwood on the flank but missed another five guys charging through the corridor where it counts).

Our shepherding is also indicative of the receivers attitude at the club. Our midfield coach needs to teach guys who aren't involved in disposing of the ball to protect the guy who is.

When will this change? What are people buying memberships for?

Fix this Wallace.

Now.

[itsintheblood]

The solution is simple. 2 things we need to focus on next pre season. Skills and WEIGHTS. They need to be locked in the gym.

[Woody80]

The solution is simple. 2 things we need to focus on next pre season. Skills and WEIGHTS. They need to be locked in the gym.
Same old Same old every year Why havent they done it!
4 years in to his contract Wallace if you get done this week against the bombers the door is there we havent got better at all SOFT is the word just watch the second half against Geelong I repeat SOFT.

[itsintheblood]

Same old Same old every year Why havent they done it!
4 years in to his contract Wallace if you get done this week against the bombers the door is there we havent got better at all SOFT is the word just watch the second half against Geelong I repeat SOFT.

Agreed but we have some seriously exciting youngsters on our hands right now who will not peak until they hit the 24-27 age gap. At 20 yo, it's pretty difficult to look like geelong players who've built themselves up over 5 or 6 years and are in the condition they are today.

[telsor]

The solution is simple. 2 things we need to focus on next pre season. Skills and WEIGHTS. They need to be locked in the gym.

Strength is probably the big part.

Problem is that with weights, they've found that too much, too quickly leads to injury. Proper 'sized' AFL players have done at least 4-5 pre-seasons. Trying to do it in 1 or 2 is asking for trouble. There are also problems with doing such things while players are still growing, so again, 18/19/20 years olds need to take things easy.

[tigertiger]

are you lot blind they are tackling there arses off, did you happen to notice it was raining on Saturday

[Top4_Tiger]

Every single played layed a tackle last weekend.

Even Richo had 2 and Browny had 5!

[RichosGuns]

Our tackling has gotten better IMO, however most of our kids are still way too skinny. Have you seen Sydney's kids like Moore, Jack, etc? They are all about 5' 10" however they are all built very well which helps them go stronger in contests.

[Roger Dodger]

are you lot blind they are tackling there arses off, did you happen to notice it was raining on Saturday

Laying your hands on the opposition in an aggressive style does not constitute a tackle you fool.

[Every single played layed a tackle last weekend.

Even Richo had 2 and Browny had 5!]

To quote the offensive coach in Friday Night Lights: "Football is a f------ing contact sport!". If they all tackled like Brownie we might have won the game. One week we let Milne kick seven; the next James Kelly is running around in our forward line he's Rene Kink.


[Our tackling has gotten better IMO, however most of our kids are still way too skinny. Have you seen Sydney's kids like Moore, Jack, etc? They are all about 5' 10" however they are all built very well which helps them go stronger in contests.]

You make a good point. So why haven't we recruited stronger body types. I'd think I'd rather have Kieran Jack at Tigerland than bloody Tambling.

The tolerance of mediocrity from the same old supporters (excuse those of you who are over it) leaves me to think the club isn't on the rise. If we don't demand excellence we repeat our recent history. Now there's some hilarious reading for all the stats queens out there.

[JSFish]

It is improved from last year, but like was mentioned in the OP there's a fair bit of technique that needs fixing. Like people have said, lots of our boys are skinny, which increases the importance of pinning the arms rather than just grabbing hold of the waist, which in all honesty only sometimes stops them, and will never stop them disposing of the ball.

[Strawbs]

The tolerance of mediocrity from the same old supporters (excuse those of you who are over it) leaves me to think the club isn't on the rise. If we don't demand excellence we repeat our recent history. Now there's some hilarious reading for all the stats queens out there.

How do "we" demand excellence? Think you might be over-rating your influence there Roger. Should we stop going and supporting the Tiges because our young blokes aren't (according to you) sticking their tackles? Who else is tackling and, more importantly, stopping Geelong? Turnovers cost us against St Kilda and the Bulldogs. If we are not on the rise, then we are doing a very good impression of a team that has shown significant improvement. Wallace was given five years because that's the minimum amount of time required to reshape our list. People wanted Bomber Thompson replaced too - he took 7 years to get a flag. Malthouse is in the 10th year of his premiership plan apparently. This year reminds me of '94 where we started to be more competitive against the better sides before we became one of the better sides. This time though we have been building a team from the ground up which should provide a foundation for a sustained run at finals, as opposed to a one-off finals appearance. Think positive - I am.

[scarecrow2k1]

It perplexes me that we still struggle with tackling, its not that we are shirking the hard work as we are #1 in the AFL for hard ball, maybe its something at the training level thats gone wrong

[tigertiger]

Laying your hands on the opposition in an aggressive style does not constitute a tackle you fool.

[Every single played layed a tackle last weekend.

Even Richo had 2 and Browny had 5!]

To quote the offensive coach in Friday Night Lights: "Football is a f------ing contact sport!". If they all tackled like Brownie we might have won the game. One week we let Milne kick seven; the next James Kelly is running around in our forward line he's Rene Kink.


[Our tackling has gotten better IMO, however most of our kids are still way too skinny. Have you seen Sydney's kids like Moore, Jack, etc? They are all about 5' 10" however they are all built very well which helps them go stronger in contests.]

You make a good point. So why haven't we recruited stronger body types. I'd think I'd rather have Kieran Jack at Tigerland than bloody Tambling.

The tolerance of mediocrity from the same old supporters (excuse those of you who are over it) leaves me to think the club isn't on the rise. If we don't demand excellence we repeat our recent history. Now there's some hilarious reading for all the stats queens out there.

I saw plenty of Richmond players break tackles on the weekend against Geelong, should they be working on there tackling too?

It pissed rain for the whole day, people will slip through tackles.

Maybe mathew scarlett needs to get back to basics after being easily pushed away by Cotchin, a first gamer. I mean he is just a hack after all. If that had happened to one of our players you would have been calling for his head and questioning our training techniques.

Get Real you fool

[Richo88]

Was on footywire.com and saw the comparison between us and geelong. On average we were 8-9 kg lighter then geelong.

[jupsey]

Despite the perceived increase in intensity of our tackling very few stick and even more are ineffective.

The main difference from previous years is that our guys aren't getting brushed off as easily as they once did. Big deal.

Too many times on Saturday (and during our many "honourable" losses) have our players grabbed an opposition player and allowed them to get the handball off - usually to one of their teammates running by.

If you watch Sydney or Brisbane, they usually grab the player's arm making it impossible to dish off. They also knock the ball out in tackles, a great ploy. It's called raking in Rugby League. It's quite legal in the AFL but you wouldn't know it to watch guys like Tuck, Johnson, McMahon, Morton and especially Tambling (who might have nabbed Joel Selwood on the flank but missed another five guys charging through the corridor where it counts).

Our shepherding is also indicative of the receivers attitude at the club. Our midfield coach needs to teach guys who aren't involved in disposing of the ball to protect the guy who is.

When will this change? What are people buying memberships for?

Fix this Wallace.

Now.

Statistics from 1996: (Mostly concerned with the lack of tackling and the 1% per centers Terry Wallace coached sides do in a season).


Tackling

1996: Sydney = Runners up Rated 1st in tackling Footscray: 16th
1997: Adelaide = Premiers 1st in tackling W.B 12th
1998: Adelaide = Premiers 1st W.B 11th
1999: Kangaroos = Premiers 4th W.B 10th
2000: Essendon = Premiers 2nd W.B 14th

(Note Essendon’s only loss in 2000 was to the Western Bulldogs in round 21. Western Bulldogs tackled more than Essendon that evening.

2001: Brisbane Lions = Premiers 4th in tackles W.B 15th

(Note in 2002 and 2003 Brisbane was rated no 1 in tackles in the competition).

2005: Sydney = Premiers 1st in tackling Richmond 15th
2006: Melbourne = ? 1st in tackling Richmond 11th

2007: Richmond = last.

2008: Richmond = last.


1 per centers (Smothers, Shepard’s, blocks,) e.t.c
2000: Essendon = Premiers 4th in 1 per centers W.B 16th

2001, 2002, 2003, 2004: Brisbane = Runners up and Premiers 3 straight years
No 1 in one per centers W.B in 2001 15th

2005: Sydney = Premiers 1st in one per centers Richmond 16th
2006: Melbourne = ? 1st in one per centers Richmond 15th

2007: Richmond = last

2008: Richmond = last.

Note: Premiership teams in the history of the game have been good tackling sides. Tackling does many things in a game of football; it places pressure on the opposition and even places perceived pressure when you do it correctly. It obviously fatigues sides later in the contest also. In Finals games when there is a definite improvement in areas mentioned above, it has been proven that Terry Wallace coached teams do not tackle and apply physical pressure and 1%’s on the ball carrier, or in the game in general.
In Wallace’s best years in charge of a team 1997 and 1998 they were overrun and then smashed by the crows in both years. You could see Adelaide lift especially in 1997 because they were not being tackled, and therefore were not tired at games end. It gave them the ability to run the game out.

Wallace at the Bulldogs had one of the best tacklers the game has seen in Tony Liberatore. Even still it did not assist tackle numbers team wise. Romero, West, Dimma, and others were also productive tacklers or should have been.
Wallace allows teams with good foot skills too much time and space. In Richmond’s severe losses this year, the opposition has eased through the midfield with the mindset they would not be tackled. (Figures above prove this) Sydney were allowed too much time and space. If you give AFL footballer’s time and space they surely will cause havoc.

Wallace is successful in limiting contested marks, as well as hard ball gets to the opposition, although this may be a thing of the past. Most teams now play with an uncontested aspect to assist their running players. Teams with numerous forward options will often beat a Terry Wallace coached side. He likes to have a defender such as a Bowden free at Richmond to zone off or be the 3rd man up at the contest. At the Bulldogs Craig Ellis or Todd Curley would do that role. If you are the opposition and you see this, you surely direct some football through Bowden to hurt them on the scoreboard.

Wallace has struggled to beat coaches such as Mark Williams, Schwab / Clarkson (Hawthorn), Malthouse, Roos and Matthews because of either their success at uncontested style of football, their ability to tackle fiercely, or the fact they have had numerous options up forward.

Wallace would probably like to play 22 wingman if he could. A fast running side that does not tackle. The purchase of Tambling and Oakley-Nicholls may come off, although at present Richmond stand 16th at clearances. Either at stop plays or centre breaks. In and under footballers would stop this trend. Richmond have refused to draft Nathan Jones and Jordan Lewis who are excellent at the stoppages, rather they chose Danny Meyer and Tambling types.

The lack of an up and coming spine could spell disaster for Richmond. If you pressure Richmond’s defence they do not have the ability to hit targets going forward. At the Bulldogs Wallace did not have the spine to win in September.
With the draft picks at his disposal (at Richmond) he could have well and truly improved the position of Richmond’s talls. However he has decided to go with the Western Bulldogs style again which did not pay dividends the first time around.

Wallace is a very smart business operator, has excellent media skills which will benefit the club with members and sponsorship. However it remains to be seen whether he will take the Richmond side to sustained success. The lack of tackling, sustained pressure, one per centers and clearances (with bigger bodies) need to be worked upon. Whether it will remains to be seen. As history and statistics show you need to be successful at tackling to win premierships. With Wallace at the helm it is highly doubtful.

Note: In Richmond’s best seasons in recent times: 1995 and 2001 they were a good tackling side.
1995: 1st in total tackles
2001: 3rd in total tackles.

We are still last in tackles, in 08. We are not improving this area quick enough.

Tackles = last
1%'s =last.
Clearances = last.

[tucker777]

there is nothing wrong with our tackling

our problem is we dont lay enough of them

have we won a tackle count this year?

[jupsey]

there is nothing wrong with our tackling

our problem is we dont lay enough of them

have we won a tackle count this year?

:thumbsd: :rolleyes: - Wallace spin?

There is nothing wrong with your face - yet you are not a supermodel are you?

[jupsey]

there is nothing wrong with our tackling

our problem is we dont lay enough of them

have we won a tackle count this year?

Wallace coached teams have never tackled. Look at the numbers.

Statistics from 1996: (Mostly concerned with the lack of tackling and the 1% per centers Terry Wallace coached sides do in a season).


Tackling

1996: Sydney = Runners up Rated 1st in tackling Footscray: 16th
1997: Adelaide = Premiers 1st in tackling W.B 12th
1998: Adelaide = Premiers 1st W.B 11th
1999: Kangaroos = Premiers 4th W.B 10th
2000: Essendon = Premiers 2nd W.B 14th

(Note Essendon’s only loss in 2000 was to the Western Bulldogs in round 21. Western Bulldogs tackled more than Essendon that evening.

2001: Brisbane Lions = Premiers 4th in tackles W.B 15th

(Note in 2002 and 2003 Brisbane was rated no 1 in tackles in the competition).

2005: Sydney = Premiers 1st in tackling Richmond 15th
2006: Melbourne = ? 1st in tackling Richmond 11th

2007: Richmond = last.

2008: Richmond = last.


1 per centers (Smothers, Shepard’s, blocks,) e.t.c
2000: Essendon = Premiers 4th in 1 per centers W.B 16th

2001, 2002, 2003, 2004: Brisbane = Runners up and Premiers 3 straight years
No 1 in one per centers W.B in 2001 15th

2005: Sydney = Premiers 1st in one per centers Richmond 16th
2006: Melbourne = ? 1st in one per centers Richmond 15th

2007: Richmond = last

2008: Richmond = last.

Note: Premiership teams in the history of the game have been good tackling sides. Tackling does many things in a game of football; it places pressure on the opposition and even places perceived pressure when you do it correctly. It obviously fatigues sides later in the contest also. In Finals games when there is a definite improvement in areas mentioned above, it has been proven that Terry Wallace coached teams do not tackle and apply physical pressure and 1%’s on the ball carrier, or in the game in general.
In Wallace’s best years in charge of a team 1997 and 1998 they were overrun and then smashed by the crows in both years. You could see Adelaide lift especially in 1997 because they were not being tackled, and therefore were not tired at games end. It gave them the ability to run the game out.

Wallace at the Bulldogs had one of the best tacklers the game has seen in Tony Liberatore. Even still it did not assist tackle numbers team wise. Romero, West, Dimma, and others were also productive tacklers or should have been.
Wallace allows teams with good foot skills too much time and space. In Richmond’s severe losses this year, the opposition has eased through the midfield with the mindset they would not be tackled. (Figures above prove this) Sydney were allowed too much time and space. If you give AFL footballer’s time and space they surely will cause havoc.

Wallace is successful in limiting contested marks, as well as hard ball gets to the opposition, although this may be a thing of the past. Most teams now play with an uncontested aspect to assist their running players. Teams with numerous forward options will often beat a Terry Wallace coached side. He likes to have a defender such as a Bowden free at Richmond to zone off or be the 3rd man up at the contest. At the Bulldogs Craig Ellis or Todd Curley would do that role. If you are the opposition and you see this, you surely direct some football through Bowden to hurt them on the scoreboard.

Wallace has struggled to beat coaches such as Mark Williams, Schwab / Clarkson (Hawthorn), Malthouse, Roos and Matthews because of either their success at uncontested style of football, their ability to tackle fiercely, or the fact they have had numerous options up forward.

Wallace would probably like to play 22 wingman if he could. A fast running side that does not tackle. The purchase of Tambling and Oakley-Nicholls may come off, although at present Richmond stand 16th at clearances. Either at stop plays or centre breaks. In and under footballers would stop this trend. Richmond have refused to draft Nathan Jones and Jordan Lewis who are excellent at the stoppages, rather they chose Danny Meyer and Tambling types.

The lack of an up and coming spine could spell disaster for Richmond. If you pressure Richmond’s defence they do not have the ability to hit targets going forward. At the Bulldogs Wallace did not have the spine to win in September.
With the draft picks at his disposal (at Richmond) he could have well and truly improved the position of Richmond’s talls. However he has decided to go with the Western Bulldogs style again which did not pay dividends the first time around.

Wallace is a very smart business operator, has excellent media skills which will benefit the club with members and sponsorship. However it remains to be seen whether he will take the Richmond side to sustained success. The lack of tackling, sustained pressure, one per centers and clearances (with bigger bodies) need to be worked upon. Whether it will remains to be seen. As history and statistics show you need to be successful at tackling to win premierships. With Wallace at the helm it is highly doubtful.

Note: In Richmond’s best seasons in recent times: 1995 and 2001 they were a good tackling side.
1995: 1st in total tackles
2001: 3rd in total tackles.

I don't want him sacked. But reality is his teams do not tackle. FACT. If it improves = great for us.

If not I can't see why we are paying him 600,000+ a year - can you?

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/fts_team_rankings?type=TA&year=2008&sby=6

[getouttahere]

Despite the perceived increase in intensity of our tackling very few stick and even more are ineffective.

The main difference from previous years is that our guys aren't getting brushed off as easily as they once did. Big deal.

Too many times on Saturday (and during our many "honourable" losses) have our players grabbed an opposition player and allowed them to get the handball off - usually to one of their teammates running by.

If you watch Sydney or Brisbane, they usually grab the player's arm making it impossible to dish off. They also knock the ball out in tackles, a great ploy. It's called raking in Rugby League. It's quite legal in the AFL but you wouldn't know it to watch guys like Tuck, Johnson, McMahon, Morton and especially Tambling (who might have nabbed Joel Selwood on the flank but missed another five guys charging through the corridor where it counts).

Our shepherding is also indicative of the receivers attitude at the club. Our midfield coach needs to teach guys who aren't involved in disposing of the ball to protect the guy who is.

When will this change? What are people buying memberships for?

Fix this Wallace.

Now.

Great thread. I have noticed 'the no tackling and no 1%'s Wallace teams do in a game - and most importantly in a year!

Great thread.

Keep an eye on this fellow Tiger fans.

:thumbsu:

[I am just a fan]

:thumbsu: