Werribee vs Collingwood VFL

[CrowdedHouse]

Hey Guys.

Just a reminder that Collingwood is playing at Werribee today in the VFL.

The start is at 2pm.

If you can't make it down there, the game will be live on the radio at 1611 AM 3XX in Melbourne or on the internet at www.radio1611.com.au (and MAYBE 87.9 FM at the ground)

If you are going to the game (for the first time) takle the Werribee train to the end of the line. When you get off at Werribee, go down the ramp to underneath the station, then turn right and head up towards the shops.

Pass the Pizza Hut and Cash Converters (on your left) to you join the next street and turn right, walk down about 3 blocks (passing the KFC, Coles and Hungry Jacks) cross the street and there's the ground (the enterance is at the far/geelong end).

Peter.

[SuperDude]

How is Going?

[MagpieGirl_13]

Pies by 9pts at quater time. :thumbsu:

[beez]

Surely that cant be right...?

[MagpieGirl_13]

Yes, it is..... I got a text. :thumbsu:

[JAJH]

Can anyone offer scores/player updates as the radio broadcast has gone off line??

[MagpieGirl_13]

Pies leading 51 - 32 :thumbsu::D
In the 2nd quater (I think)

MM, Harry O'Brien, Brodie Holland & Sharrod Wellingham are also in attendance.....

[SuperDude]

How is Wood Going?

[MagpieGirl_13]

Nicholls (well the txt said Nicholas, so I assume Snag meant Nicholls....) has kicked a few goals.
Anthony & Goldsack Doing well.
Cam Wood doing well.
Egan is trying.

[beez]

Cheers for the updates, much appreciated

[Smoky]

Nicholls (well the txt said Nicholas, so I assume Snag meant Nicholls....) has kicked a few goals.
Anthony & Goldsack Doing well.
Cam Wood doing well.
Egan is trying.

None of them will get a game in the seniors next week

[MagpieGirl_13]

None of them will get a game in the seniors next week

Why do you say that?

[MagpieGirl_13]

Pies 52 - 41 at half time.

[SuperDude]

None of them will get a game in the seniors next week
Wood Will

[Hoggy]

None of them will get a game in the seniors next week

That is correct. :cool:

[SuperDude]

That is correct. :cool:
Okay, Why Then?

[Professor Knowall]

Egan is trying.

Egan is often very trying.

Or did you mean that Egan really is trying? :eek:

[beez]

Wood Will

Bryan wont get dropped

[MagpieGirl_13]

Egan is often very trying.

Or did you mean that Egan really is trying? :eek:

I think it was that he is actually giving it a go.

[SuperDude]

Bryan wont get dropped
Well Cox Would make Bryan look silly then

[didaka]

I would rather see Wood playing, but Bryan will stay next week. You can't question his courage and how hard he goes at the pill. He has no respect for his own safety in some contests, and that's how he has to play to stay in the side.

Still eventually the better tap ruckman and more talented player will overtake him again.

Bryan will go up against Seaby most likely.

[MagpieGirl_13]

Pies winning 59 - 49 (3rd quater I think)
Nicholls just scored (again)

[SuperDude]

Pies winning 59 - 49 (3rd quater I think)
Nicholls just scored (again)
Where do I go to get the Commentary?

[MagpieGirl_13]

Where do I go to get the Commentary?

I'm getting text messages. Then posting them here.

[mdc]

Egan is often very trying.

Or did you mean that Egan really is trying? :eek:

Well played.

As for Wood, I don't think there's any question he's a better option against Cox than Bryan, but you just can't drop anyone after our game last night. Unless Fraser doesn't come up (didn't exactly look 100% last night) I can't see Wood playing next week.

[MagpieGirl_13]

Werribee got 4 in a row & now lead by 20. :thumbsd:

[SuperDude]

Werribee got 4 in a row & now lead by 20. :thumbsd:

I guess here come the Usual Fade Out:mad:

[MagpieGirl_13]

Now it's Werribee by 26......:thumbsd:

[SuperDude]

Now it's Werribee by 26......:thumbsd:
Where are you getting this from?

[Invigoration]

Where are you getting this from?

Dude try reading what she is actually posting for christ sake.

Three times now she has said someone is sending her text messages, you know, on a phone?

[MagpieGirl_13]

Where are you getting this from?

I'm getting text messages from another poster (Snag Breac) who is at the game.

[SuperDude]

Dude try reading what she is actually posting for christ sake.

Three times now she has said someone is sending her text messages, you know, on a phone?
Sorry - I must of Missed that Post then.

So we have to wait for full reports later

[SuperDude]

I'm getting text messages from another poster (Snag Breac) who is at the game.

Okay That Cool -Hope his getting pics too:thumbsu:

[The Royal Sampler]

Snag is a she. :)

[SuperDude]

Snag is a she. :)

Oh That is News To Me(I was thing she was a Dude:eek:)

Okay I hope SHE is taking Photo's

[MagpieGirl_13]

^ was just about to say that TRS :p

Werribee - 93
Us - 62

:thumbsd: C'mon Pies.....

Plendles is also at the game.

[MagpieGirl_13]

Them - 94
Us - 62

ILES HURT!
Not sure on details, that is all I was told......

[JAJH]

How many, if any, has Podsy kicked?

[MagpieGirl_13]

How many, if any, has Podsy kicked?

Who??? :confused::o

[The Royal Sampler]

Bugger, Iles is our next best mid option IMHO, excluding Cox who is obviously a negating stay-at-home defender. :mad:

Hopefully McCarthy and Barham continue to play well and put pressure on the seniors.

[The Royal Sampler]

Who??? :confused::o
Podsiadly. JAJH wants to know how badly Jack Anthony is towelling up the opposition forwards. ;)

[JAJH]

Who??? :confused::o
My boy is playing on Podsiadly from Werribee
Thanks, RS, too quick for me!

[Invigoration]

Bugger, Iles is our next best mid option IMHO, excluding Cox who is obviously a negating stay-at-home defender. :mad:

Hopefully McCarthy and Barham continue to play well and put pressure on the seniors.

Stanley and Cook are both ahead of Iles

[MagpieGirl_13]

According to Snag, JA is one of the best. :thumbsu:
Still trying (... I'm not sure if that's the team or JA :confused:)
Iles ok now.

[JAJH]

According to Snag, JA is one of the best. :thumbsu:
Still trying (... I'm not sure if that's the team or JA :confused:)
Iles ok now.

Cool, thanks.

[The Royal Sampler]

Stupid Double X, playing music when the black and whites are running around. :mad:

[JOELY]

sorry mod.

[The Royal Sampler]

Internet streaming isn't working, but your sarcasm amuses me none the less. :D

[MagpieGirl_13]

Barham scored.
Them - 126
Us - 70

They (the team) are trying......

[The Royal Sampler]

2008 VFL Seniors
Werribee Tigers 3.7 5.11 13.15 18.18 (126)
Collingwood 6.1 8.4 9.8 10.11 (71)

8 goal first half, 2 goal second half. :(

[JAJH]

2008 VFL Seniors
Werribee Tigers 3.7 5.11 13.15 18.18 (126)
Collingwood 6.1 8.4 9.8 10.11 (71)

8 goal first half, 2 goal second half. :(
Where did u get the results RS?

[SuperDude]

According to Snag, JA is one of the best. :thumbsu:
Still trying (... I'm not sure if that's the team or JA :confused:)
Iles ok now.
Anything on How Wood is Going?

[SuperDude]

2008 VFL Seniors
Werribee Tigers 3.7 5.11 13.15 18.18 (126)
Collingwood 6.1 8.4 9.8 10.11 (71)

8 goal first half, 2 goal second half. :(


That is the Usual VFL Team Game

[MagpieGirl_13]

Anything on How Wood is Going?

He was going good in the 1st half.
Haven't had any updates.... I think the game is finished.
So, you'll have to wait for the match reviews from people that went. :thumbsu:

[Kirby]

What are the reasons for these terrible second half fade outs?

I wonder if it's fitness, immaturity, concentration or what?

[The Royal Sampler]

Where did u get the results RS?
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-118-0-0-0

Down on the bottom-left there's a yellow "Progressive scores" icon.

[JAJH]

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-118-0-0-0

Down on the bottom-left there's a yellow "Progressive scores" icon.
Thanks for that

[Hoggy]

Okay, Why Then?

Because the seniors played last night against the best team in the league and won by 86 points.

Why do you reckon?

Should we call for six changes to that team or something?

[SuperDude]

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-118-0-0-0

Down on the bottom-left there's a yellow "Progressive scores" icon.
Davies BOG.

Good to see McCarthy have a Good Game.

So how did Wood Do - Was not on the BOG for Pies?

[SuperDude]

Because the seniors played last night against the best team in the league and won by 86 points.

Why do you reckon?

Should we call for six changes to that team or something?

No Just the 1:thumbsu:

[mattys123]

The 1, i cant see any changes from last nights game apart from if Leon doesnt come up with that ankle, otherwise leave it.

Great to hear McCarthy is coming along well.

By the way, am i dreaming or did we win by 86 points against the "unbeatable" cats, damn what a win.

[Phaze Away]

How many, if any, has Podsy kicked?
Pods kicked 5 goals.

[SuperDude]

Can we have a Player by Player Report?

[Chase the Ace]

Can we have a Player by Player Report?

Certainly

[bucksisbest]

Shannon Cox was easily our best , started up forward and he lead up well as a half forward , he was able to deliver well to the other forwards and kick goals , he was then moved back later in the game to help stop the onslaught.
McCarthy found a lot of ball , but made alot of bad decisions and turned the ball over regularly.

[kevind]

Shannon Cox was easily our best , started up forward and he lead up well as a half forward , he was able to deliver well to the other forwards and kick goals , he was then moved back later in the game to help stop the onslaught.
McCarthy found a lot of ball , but made alot of bad decisions and turned the ball over regularly.


Doesn't Cox always seem to be our best player????????? He has been mighty unlucky not to get a game given the form of the AFL side(bar last night)

How did Jack Anthony, Stanley, Cook, Illes and Wood go????

[bucksisbest]

Anthony was beaten by Podsiasly , and didn't have his usual drive or effective disposal from the backline. Stanley , Cook and Illes did a few things , but as usual not enough good things.
Wood was solid in the ruck and around the ground. He didn't dominate but he was good in what he did do.
I felt a bit sorry for Reid he started off well early when the team was going well and kicking the ball decently to him , but after half time he had to just sit and watch the blokes in front of him get slaughtered , giving him no chance to impact on the game.

[SuperDude]

Anthony was beaten by Podsiasly , and didn't have his usual drive or effective disposal from the backline. Stanley , Cook and Illes did a few things , but as usual not enough good things.
Wood was solid in the ruck and around the ground. He didn't dominate but he was good in what he did do.
I felt a bit sorry for Reid he started off well early when the team was going well and kicking the ball decently to him , but after half time he had to just sit and watch the blokes in front of him get slaughtered , giving him no chance to impact on the game.

Good To Hear that Wood was Solid. Those I would love him to dominate game

[Skade]

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-118-0-0-0

Down on the bottom-left there's a yellow "Progressive scores" icon.

Thanks RS :p

[Skade]

Werribee Tigers 3.7 5.11 13.15 18.18 (126)
Collingwood 6.1 8.4 9.8 10.11 (71)

GOALS:
Werribee Tigers: Podsiadly 5 Brown 5 Davies 3 Chisholm 2 Ross Rockefeller Wormald
Collingwood: Nicholls 3 Cox 2 Reid 2 Cook Goldsack Barham

BEST:
Werribee Tigers: Davies Chisholm Thompson Brown Howard Henderson
Collingwood: McCarthy Nicholls Cox Colbert Frost Dyas Snag

[Snag Breac]

Werribee Tigers 3.7 5.11 13.15 18.18 (126)
Collingwood 6.1 8.4 9.8 10.11 (71)

GOALS:
Werribee Tigers: Podsiadly 5 Brown 5 Davies 3 Chisholm 2 Ross Rockefeller Wormald
Collingwood: Nicholls 3 Cox 2 Reid 2 Cook Goldsack Barham

BEST:
Werribee Tigers: Davies Chisholm Thompson Brown Howard Henderson
Collingwood: McCarthy Nicholls Cox Colbert Frost Dyas Snag

NO I wasn't Skade - I brought the camera, I even remembered to charge the battery. But I forgot to put the battery back in the camera.:o:(

The game started so well......Wood and Reid were both good at the outset. I spoke to some young Pies offical of some sort who was taking video of JA exclusively in the first quarter, and he thought he was going really well too. Then he switched to Tyson in the 2nd quarter, and he was going well too. Nicholls was doing really well, and Barham. Theer was one guy I didn't know who was very good - he might have been Colbert - a take-charge type?

Anyway, then the other crowd seemed to come out firing after half time and our lads lost it in the third. But they kept trying and I think had a bit of a revival in the final quarter.

It wasn't like last week. They didn't just stand there and let Werribee run all over them, but they just couldn't seem to connect with the ball, or to hold onto it when they did. I think the opposition's confidence just grew and grew as our lads flagged. But it wasn't for lack of heart. They're all so young, and Iles and Lonie were both injured, and JA may have had a problem, because at one point a trainer type had him running up and down near the fence and seemed to be checking his gait and asking if it felt ok, or something.:confused:

So hard to give an accurate report..... It's all so subjective - apart from the scoreboard, and that often doesn't tell the whole story.

Tooves was there too, Maggie, with a young woman. He's bigger than I thought.

Fashion Notes: Dyas is in desperate need of a hair cut. Sharrod's jacket had to be seen to be believed.:thumbsd: Harry O'Brien looked really well coordinated.:thumbsu:

[gandaal]

That's a kind of ironic result I would've thought.

[Paddywackers]

Could you please explain the irony?

[Dead Eye Didak]

Went out to see the boys at Chirnside, standing just in front of Wellingham and Holland, who despite the temperature hovering around 13 Degrees was still in a T-Shirt showing off the guns. Shook Wello's hand to say well down for the night before, carrying my 10 month old son and Wello gave him a tickle on the head. Seems a nice, down to earth guy.

Anyway we looked good for the first half, dominated the general play, but really didn't score enough for the amount of posession we had.

Liked the look of Barham, has pace, can shank the ball at times, but thats when he's trying to run to quick and dispose of the ball, his disposal will get better.
McCarthy looks a likely type, has the build to play straight away, and really goes in hard and wins the footy. Will play senior footy this year.
Wood played quite well, didn't dominate and Werribee got a run on he was caught out of position a few times, not dropping back into the defensive 50.
Anthony started well then Pods got on top of him.
Dyas is coming along. No Marty Clarke.
Cox was busy, played down back, then when we were struggling to kick goals moved forward. Took some nice marks and got his fair share of the footy down back.Knocking on the door for senior selection.
Reid tried, lead all day, had some woeful disposal coming his way, so that made it hard for him. Kicked a nice snap in the 3rd, is very athletic and still a work in progress.
Dawes didn't see it much, was on and off the ground. May have been injured.
Cook got a fair bit of it, seemed busy of half back. Faded in the second half.
Illes in and under, but didn't get enough of the pill to be damaging.
Goldsack was good down back gave some run from D50, took some nice marks. Not far away from a return to the AFL.
One guy who does get the ball alot is Frost, is he someone we would look at for a Rookie spot?

[Snag Breac]

Went out to see the boys at Chirnside, standing just in front of Wellingham and Holland, who despite the temperature hovering around 13 Degrees was still in a T-Shirt showing off the guns. Shook Wello's hand to say well down for the night before, carrying my 10 month old son and Wello gave him a tickle on the head. Seems a nice, down to earth guy.

Anyway we looked good for the first half, dominated the general play, but really didn't score enough for the amount of posession we had.

Liked the look of Barham, has pace, can shank the ball at times, but thats when he's trying to run to quick and dispose of the ball, his disposal will get better.
McCarthy looks a likely type, has the build to play straight away, and really goes in hard and wins the footy. Will play senior footy this year.
Wood played quite well, didn't dominate and Werribee got a run on he was caught out of position a few times, not dropping back into the defensive 50.
Anthony started well then Pods got on top of him.
Dyas is coming along. No Marty Clarke.
Cox was busy, played down back, then when we were struggling to kick goals moved forward. Took some nice marks and got his fair share of the footy down back.Knocking on the door for senior selection.
Reid tried, lead all day, had some woeful disposal coming his way, so that made it hard for him. Kicked a nice snap in the 3rd, is very athletic and still a work in progress.
Dawes didn't see it much, was on and off the ground. May have been injured.
Cook got a fair bit of it, seemed busy of half back. Faded in the second half.
Illes in and under, but didn't get enough of the pill to be damaging.
Goldsack was good down back gave some run from D50, took some nice marks. Not far away from a return to the AFL.
One guy who does get the ball alot is Frost, is he someone we would look at for a Rookie spot?

That's what I was wondering. Or do we just notice him more because of the hair?:p And what about Nicholls. He always seems to score. Don't think Dawes got the ball coming his way often enough to judge of his performance.

[Invigoration]

Did Stanley play guys?

[FIGJAM]

I wouldn't touch Frost with a ten foot pole.

He's a handy VFL type, and does have the Daisy shock of hair, but that's where the similarities end. He butchers the ball by foot, which is ok at VFL level to some extent (although Reid and Dawes might have something to say about that) and he doesn't have any X-factor like boy wonder.

Coupled with the fact that Thomas at the same age played one game of VFL and had 30 touches and 5 goals, then you can see the difference. A better comparrison is Ben Davies in terms of play and ability.

We have a poor supply of emerging midfield talent. Adding to that poor supply with Frost types will only make the forthcoming years tougher!

[Chase the Ace]

Good to see we have a couple more mid fielders coming along in McCarthy and Barham, we really have some good stocks.

[The Royal Sampler]

Regardless of the result, for McCarthy to be BOG for us (or near to it for the Cox-supporters) in what, his fifth VFL game? A fantastic effort and a very promising showing from a bottom-aged draftee who only played 7 games at TAC Cup level. :thumbsu:

Great to see Big Kev get in the best again, his consistency should be warming the hearts of all Pies fans. :)

[didaka]

I wouldn't touch Frost with a ten foot pole.

He's a handy VFL type, and does have the Daisy shock of hair, but that's where the similarities end. He butchers the ball by foot, which is ok at VFL level to some extent (although Reid and Dawes might have something to say about that) and he doesn't have any X-factor like boy wonder.

Coupled with the fact that Thomas at the same age played one game of VFL and had 30 touches and 5 goals, then you can see the difference. A better comparrison is Ben Davies in terms of play and ability.

We have a poor supply of emerging midfield talent. Adding to that poor supply with Frost types will only make the forthcoming years tougher!

Make it a 40 foot pole and we'll talk.

[BEEG]

Regardless of the result, for McCarthy to be BOG for us (or near to it for the Cox-supporters) in what, his fifth VFL game? A fantastic effort and a very promising showing from a bottom-aged draftee who only played 7 games at TAC Cup level. :thumbsu:

Great to see Big Kev get in the best again, his consistency should be warming the hearts of all Pies fans. :)

Was at a function at the game and had the pleasure of hearing Gav Brown talk before the game spoke really well and i believe he is the right person for the deveolpment of these kids

Mccarthy
was very good our best very hard at it and tackles really well also has great balance to break tackles very strong kid and good skills seems to be a really good pick up

Egan
Does some good things but really does to many crap things really butchers the ball his skills arnt up to scratch

Anthony
Seem to play alright wasnt beaten 1 on 1 what i saw and his skills are very good hope he gets a call up soon our best young defender in the reserves by a long shot

Goldsack
Just not playing well but still very young tried all day 2nd year blues should get over it did do some good things

Wood
Rucked well at the centre bouncers but seemed to lose the around the ground rucking also very slow when he gets the ball needs to get rid of it quicker that will come with experience

Cook
Thought with Mccarthy played well does alot of good things when he doesnt have the ball and is very good when the pressures on doesnt lose his cool

[Kirby]

What position did McCarthy play?

I have high hopes for this kid. Looks to me like he could make a down and dirty midfielder go getter in the mould of Sewell and Cross. This is just what we need.

[didaka]

What position did McCarthy play?

I have high hopes for this kid. Looks to me like he could make a down and dirty midfielder go getter in the mould of Sewell and Cross. This is just what we need.

With excellent foot skills.

[didaka]

Goldsack
Just not playing well but still very young tried all day 2nd year blues should get over it did do some good things


Let's not forget he had little to no pre-season with OP.

Wood
Rucked well at the centre bouncers but seemed to lose the around the ground rucking also very slow when he gets the ball needs to get rid of it quicker that will come with experience


Generally good with the footy at AFL level. Maybe he was trying to do a little more at the lower level. What was his attitude like?

[Dundalis]

I wouldn't touch Frost with a ten foot pole.

He's a handy VFL type, and does have the Daisy shock of hair, but that's where the similarities end. He butchers the ball by foot, which is ok at VFL level to some extent (although Reid and Dawes might have something to say about that) and he doesn't have any X-factor like boy wonder.

Coupled with the fact that Thomas at the same age played one game of VFL and had 30 touches and 5 goals, then you can see the difference. A better comparrison is Ben Davies in terms of play and ability.

We have a poor supply of emerging midfield talent. Adding to that poor supply with Frost types will only make the forthcoming years tougher!
I'd say Wellingham is a pretty good emerging midfielder. And you don't think Dyas, Barham and McCarthy will become AFL standard players? Dyas and McCarthy look promising from what I've heard and seen, and fit exactly what we will need in the next one or two years when Burns goes, and O'Bree hits the downside of his career. Hard in and under extractors, but who also have some pace and skill. Pendles, Wello, Dyas and McCarthy sound like a pretty decent main midfield rotation 2 years down the line if they can all reach their potential.

[Palmer Stoat]

Make it a 40 foot pole and we'll talk.

Nothing less than an 80ft pole in Frost's case, didaka.

[The Royal Sampler]

So do we still think Liam Jurrah worthy of a rookie spot?

[Optimax]

So do we still think Liam Jurrah worthy of a rookie spot?
has extreme talent and apparntly showed great work rate getting fit for this year so yes rookie spot, could be a very good find

I wouldnt draft to the senior list though, still some major queries

[bucksisbest]

Liam Jurrah hasn't played the past 2 weeks , and is currently in the Northern Territory.

[pipeline]

Did Stanley play guys?

Yeah he did, and should have been in the best. He was captain for the game. As usual however, nobody seemed to notice his tough work or his extraction from the centre. He's just too fast with his hands for most of the boundary experts to follow. Also noticed that his stats are probably drifting to other players - I heard Cookie and even Dawes getting the good word from some supporters for some of Stanners work. He took 9 marks for the game which I think was the highest of anyone and did all the centre bullocking - the "one-percenters" that everyone praises in theory but rarely in fact. Poor bugger.

[Dundalis]

That's all great but he unfortunately lacks in a few key areas at AFL level. Where a player like Wellingham has all the time in the world, Stanley at AFL level, has very very little. He has very poor awareness, which doesn't necessarily stand out at VFL level but does consistantly at AFL level when he's been given the opportunity. Unless that turns around completely, which is pretty unlikely he has no long term future as an AFL player. I expect he will stay around another season before being delisted.

I expect Sam Iles to be delisted at the end of this season. He will be 21 in a month and will probably be overtaken by the likes of McCarthy and Dyas in the depth charts by the end of the season. The same goes for Toovey who will be 22 come next season. Lonie, Holland and Egan could be gone too. Might as well clear out the dead wood and try and get maybe an extra draft pick or two in a trade perhaps in the lower rounds, seeing as we won't have many come 2010.

[didaka]

Yeah he did, and should have been in the best. He was captain for the game. As usual however, nobody seemed to notice his tough work or his extraction from the centre. He's just too fast with his hands for most of the boundary experts to follow. Also noticed that his stats are probably drifting to other players - I heard Cookie and even Dawes getting the good word from some supporters for some of Stanners work. He took 9 marks for the game which I think was the highest of anyone and did all the centre bullocking - the "one-percenters" that everyone praises in theory but rarely in fact. Poor bugger.

Meh it wouldn't go unnoticed at the top. Stanley will make it IMO.

[mdc]

That's all great but he unfortunately lacks in a few key areas at AFL level. Where a player like Wellingham has all the time in the world, Stanley at AFL level, has very very little. He has very poor awareness, which doesn't necessarily stand out at VFL level but does consistantly at AFL level when he's been given the opportunity. Unless that turns around completely, which is pretty unlikely he has no long term future as an AFL player. I expect he will stay around another season before being delisted.

I expect Sam Iles to be delisted at the end of this season. He will be 21 in a month and will probably be overtaken by the likes of McCarthy and Dyas in the depth charts by the end of the season. The same goes for Toovey who will be 22 come next season. Lonie, Holland and Egan could be gone too. Might as well clear out the dead wood and try and get maybe an extra draft pick or two in a trade perhaps in the lower rounds, seeing as we won't have many come 2010.

There's little use trying to stock-pile draft picks if the talent isn't there - especially since the GC thing won't much affect the later rounds anyways. It's also important to note that with the imminent dilution of the competition, flawed depth players become more important.

As for Stanley, I'm still unsure of his long-term prospects. Having time isn't always necessary - see Burns - but you have to be very good at the clearance stuff to compensate for it. He's yet to show it at the AFL level obviously, and MM's reluctance to play him in that role when he's been called up doesn't show a lot of confidence.

[MAKESHIFT]

That's all great but he unfortunately lacks in a few key areas at AFL level. Where a player like Wellingham has all the time in the world, Stanley at AFL level, has very very little. He has very poor awareness, which doesn't necessarily stand out at VFL level but does consistantly at AFL level when he's been given the opportunity. Unless that turns around completely, which is pretty unlikely he has no long term future as an AFL player. I expect he will stay around another season before being delisted.

I expect Sam Iles to be delisted at the end of this season. He will be 21 in a month and will probably be overtaken by the likes of McCarthy and Dyas in the depth charts by the end of the season. The same goes for Toovey who will be 22 come next season. Lonie, Holland and Egan could be gone too. Might as well clear out the dead wood and try and get maybe an extra draft pick or two in a trade perhaps in the lower rounds, seeing as we won't have many come 2010.

What a load of frog shit!!!!. He got caught twice against Carlton big deal. How many Geelong players got caught Fri night. That was it. He also ran down Gibbs and had some good tackles against Carlton. He had great awareness against Sydney when he played and got great wraps then.How about getting your facts right and don't generalize. Were you at the game this week.... Stanners is hard at the ball and does all the hard bull like work. He had that many 1 percenters and gave his all. He is and will never be a flashy fast mid but he is a solid bull like player that can push the ball out to the Cookys and Wellinghams and yes I agree with Pipeline doesn't seem to get the recognition from arm chair critics that bascially do not know one end of the football from the other.
As for writing off Isles and Toovs it is not even half way thru the season. Toovs has been injured and Isles seems a bit down. How about rallying around these boys and giving them support. It is easy to wipe them off and talk of bringing up the new kids but as said before you can't keep doing that. Same old been hearing it for years. The new kids come up and then do something wrong and you are all crucifying them as well. FFS

[jackcass]

Went out to see the boys at Chirnside, standing just in front of Wellingham and Holland, who despite the temperature hovering around 13 Degrees was still in a T-Shirt showing off the guns. Shook Wello's hand to say well down for the night before, carrying my 10 month old son and Wello gave him a tickle on the head. Seems a nice, down to earth guy.

Anyway we looked good for the first half, dominated the general play, but really didn't score enough for the amount of posession we had.

Liked the look of Barham, has pace, can shank the ball at times, but thats when he's trying to run to quick and dispose of the ball, his disposal will get better.
McCarthy looks a likely type, has the build to play straight away, and really goes in hard and wins the footy. Will play senior footy this year.
Wood played quite well, didn't dominate and Werribee got a run on he was caught out of position a few times, not dropping back into the defensive 50.
Anthony started well then Pods got on top of him.
Dyas is coming along. No Marty Clarke.
Cox was busy, played down back, then when we were struggling to kick goals moved forward. Took some nice marks and got his fair share of the footy down back.Knocking on the door for senior selection.
Reid tried, lead all day, had some woeful disposal coming his way, so that made it hard for him. Kicked a nice snap in the 3rd, is very athletic and still a work in progress.
Dawes didn't see it much, was on and off the ground. May have been injured.
Cook got a fair bit of it, seemed busy of half back. Faded in the second half.
Illes in and under, but didn't get enough of the pill to be damaging.
Goldsack was good down back gave some run from D50, took some nice marks. Not far away from a return to the AFL.
One guy who does get the ball alot is Frost, is he someone we would look at for a Rookie spot?

Would need to improve his use of the ball one hell of a lot to justify inclusion imho.

[Timmy from Thomastown]

We might be playing crap - no doubt that will continue for the rest of the season - but the good news is that new names keep popping up all the time in thebest players.

A few weeks ago it was Wellingham. Then McAffer. Then it was Barham. Now its McArthy and Dyas. And all along its been Cox and to a lesser extent, Cook. And Anthony and Reid have had their good games, too.

So there's plenty of room to be encouraged by the younger players on the list.

[Dundalis]

What a load of frog shit!!!!. He got caught twice against Carlton big deal. How many Geelong players got caught Fri night. That was it. He also ran down Gibbs and had some good tackles against Carlton. He had great awareness against Sydney when he played and got great wraps then.How about getting your facts right and don't generalize. Were you at the game this week.... Stanners is hard at the ball and does all the hard bull like work. He had that many 1 percenters and gave his all. He is and will never be a flashy fast mid but he is a solid bull like player that can push the ball out to the Cookys and Wellinghams and yes I agree with Pipeline doesn't seem to get the recognition from arm chair critics that bascially do not know one end of the football from the other.
As for writing off Isles and Toovs it is not even half way thru the season. Toovs has been injured and Isles seems a bit down. How about rallying around these boys and giving them support. It is easy to wipe them off and talk of bringing up the new kids but as said before you can't keep doing that. Same old been hearing it for years. The new kids come up and then do something wrong and you are all crucifying them as well. FFS
I don't know if I should argue or not. You've obviously got blind faith in anyone that pulls on the Collingwood jumper. I have faith in a player if he shows he has the talent to be a firsts player. People were bagging Wellingham for not showing enough at VFL level, but I always was positive about him because I knew he had the talent. It's the opposite with the likes of Stanley, Iles and Toovey.

Awareness is the ability to read what's around you when you have possession of the ball. Tackling ability is not an indication of awareness. Like Richard Cole and Alan Toovey, Danny Stanley has poor awareness. It's been a criticism of his right back to his junior days, it's not something which 'suddenly' appeared when he got run down twice against Carlton. When Stanley has time he is quite good, he will pick out a target because he is a pretty good kick. But at AFL level he doesn't get that time. Having that spatial awareness, something players like Marty Clarke and Scott Pendlebury have in abundance is crucial given the speed of the AFL, because if you don't have it, it markedly cuts down the time you have to make a decision with the footy and no matter how good a kick you are, you won't be hitting targets regularly enough. Stanley is hard at it and will always give 100%, I'm not questioning that at all. But if that were all it took to be an AFL player, then Jason Wild would have been a superstar.

Actually we are notorious for keeping duds at the club for far far longer than we should. I don't think Iles or Stanley are absolute duds (I can't say the same for Toovey), but they just aren't up to being AFL standard players. Maybe back in the late 90's when we were really struggling and the pace of the game wasn't quite so high, but we simply have better talent coming through now. I'm pretty confident McCarthy will leap ahead of Stanley in the pecking order in the next few weeks, which would be saying something given their age and experience. From what I've seen of Dyas, despite not performing as well as the more experienced Stanley and Iles, he shows far more potential to be an AFL player for us long term.

[Dundalis]

There's little use trying to stock-pile draft picks if the talent isn't there - especially since the GC thing won't much affect the later rounds anyways. It's also important to note that with the imminent dilution of the competition, flawed depth players become more important.

As for Stanley, I'm still unsure of his long-term prospects. Having time isn't always necessary - see Burns - but you have to be very good at the clearance stuff to compensate for it. He's yet to show it at the AFL level obviously, and MM's reluctance to play him in that role when he's been called up doesn't show a lot of confidence.
If you are saying Scott Burns doesn't have good awareness, I'd say your wrong. He's no Scott Pendlebury, but he doesn't often get caught holding the ball, unless he's just indecisive about where to kick it because he doesn't have any options like on the weekend, as opposed to not being aware of the opposition around him.

[mdc]

If you are saying Scott Burns doesn't have good awareness, I'd say your wrong. He's no Scott Pendlebury, but he doesn't often get caught holding the ball, unless he's just indecisive about where to kick it because he doesn't have any options like on the weekend, as opposed to not being aware of the opposition around him.

Not having time isn't exactly the same thing as not having awareness. Burns gathers a lot of his touches around stoppages, and he's tackled as much as anyone in our side. He's rarely seen weaving in and out of traffic like Pendlebury. This is what I was referring to when I said he doesn't usually have "time".

But Burns does usually manage to either find a team-mate with a handball after the tackle, or just hold the ball in for a bounce. The same can be said of any number of oft-tackled clearance players who lack explosiveness. It's this ability to make quick decisions in limited time which makes good clearance players. I think it's too early to tell whether Stanley has this or not - given he hasn't actually been given the opportunity to play his natural position at AFL level.

[Ickirus]

I find it funny that people think Stanley has poor awareness after he got caught holding the ball twice against Carlton, one of which he was given a hospital pass. Marty Clarke got run down 3 times against Freo but he supposebly has very good awareness.

Currently he is our best in and under midfielder in the VFL, before he injured his ankle this year he was consistently in the best for the 2's with his work in the middle clearing the ball out to our other players. When he eventually did get a call up the whole team got smashed and played poor, and once again MM failed to give him a chance in the midfield, and decided to play him out of position.

I doubt Wellingham would have been as successful in his debut and following games if we got polaxed by the other team, as what happened to Stanley.

I don't think all our young players will make it, Toovey and Egan for example give me little hope, but from what I've seen of the VFL the likes of Wellingham, Anthony and Stanley have all shown something