Yet to sign......and who to delist.

[Bluebear]

As we approach the halfway mark of the season it's worth noting that a number of players are playing for the future as they are out of contract.

We will elevate Jammo and must take at least three in the draft. That's a minimum of 4 spots we need to free up.

Out of contract this year:
Fevola, Murph, Grigg, Fisher, Austin, Hampson, Cloke, Waite, Banno,
Hoops
Should be resigned.

Which 4 of the following will go?
Russ, Blackwell, Saddo, Ackland, Benjamin, Anderson, Wiggins.

Most will say Saddo and Ackland as certainties.

Will Benji get the chop?
Will a father son in Blackwell be let go?

Given Wiggins form I think he will be kept as a depth player, and Russ has shown enough. Anderson will be ahead of Benji ATM.

Who will go?

IMO - Saddington, Ackland, Blackwell, Benjamin. +/- Wiggins if a PSD pick is required.

[Jeremias]

Benjamin won't be delisted.

Preseason he was in great form and was absolutely flying from all reports. For a player picked in the 50's+ in a draft a few years back, you can't have expectations too high. He'll get senior experience before the end of the year I reckon, which is a huge positive.

I would say that Aisake is far more likely than Benjamin to be delisted.

[Bluebear]

Benjamin won't be delisted.

Preseason he was in great form and was absolutely flying from all reports. For a player picked in the 50's+ in a draft a few years back, you can't have expectations too high. He'll get senior experience before the end of the year I reckon, which is a huge positive.

I would say that Aisake is far more likely than Benjamin to be delisted.
Aisake is under contract untilt the end of next year.

Without breaking someones contract it must come from the list above.

Aiskae was also very close to playing seniors last year. AFAIK Benji has NEVER been close to senior selection........and isn't exaclty dominating in the Ants.

We need 4 and someone will be unlucky.:thumbsu:

[chelsworthgale]

As we approach the halfway mark of the season it's worth noting that a number of players are playing for the future as they are out of contract.

We will elevate Jammo and must take at least three in the draft. That's a minimum of 4 spots we need to free up.

Out of contract this year:
Fevola, Murph, Grigg, Fisher, Austin, Hampson, Cloke, Waite, Banno,
Hoops
Should be resigned.

Which 4 of the following will go?
Russ, Blackwell, Saddo, Ackland, Benjamin, Anderson, Wiggins.

Most will say Saddo and Ackland as certainties.

Will Benji get the chop?
Will a father son in Blackwell be let go?

Given Wiggins form I think he will be kept as a depth player, and Russ has shown enough. Anderson will be ahead of Benji ATM.

Who will go?

IMO - Saddington, Ackland, Blackwell, Benjamin. +/- Wiggins if a PSD pick is required.

We could trade a pick with a player to try and up grade that pick a few spots...

I think we should trade russell along with a 2nd round pick to try and up grade that pick a few spots... assume we finish 10th with only Melb to have a priority pick that would make our 2nd round about pick 23ish... we trade russell and 23 to get a pick in the late teens.

Then again considering he is from SA it might be wise to try and upgrade our third round pick to a 2nd round and trade with either port or adelaide who should have a late 20ish 2nd round pick.

[blues4flag]

At the moment, I'd think Saddington, Ackland, Blackwell and Wiggins will be delisted. Think you're being a bit harsh on Benji - his disposal has improved markedly this year and is playing decent footy in the Ants. He is a project player and I'd be surprised if the club chop him after two.

[CarltonFan]

At the moment, I'd think Saddington, Ackland, Blackwell and Wiggins will be delisted. Think you're being a bit harsh on Benji - his disposal has improved markedly this year and is playing decent footy in the Ants. He is a project player and I'd be surprised if the club chop him after two.

+1. these four will go next year, benji will stay.


also murphy not re-signed :eek: sign the fu*ker!

[TheGeneral]

Aisake was dropped to the VFL reserves because of his attitude and is 23 years of age.

He'd get cut before Benjamin who kicked three goals in the VFL last week and had an injury interrupted two years.

Bluebear, that was an absurd argument to say Benji might be cut because he has never been close to senior selection.

Benjamin has been on the list for just 30 games and turns 20 in July.

You could argue Clinton has more upside than alot of the players in the 2006.

Delist.


Saddington.
Ackland.
Wiggins.
Blackwell.
Aisake.
Jackson.

If Hartlett has two more hamstring injuries, I think it could be curtains. :(

Give it up Chelsworth, Russell will stay or must be worth something if a club would do that trade.

[The_JUDDERNAUT]

also murphy not re-signed :eek: sign the fu*ker!


seconded

[Bluebear]

Aisake was dropped to the VFL reserves because of his attitude and is 23 years of age.

He'd get cut before Benjamin who kicked three goals in the VFL last week and had an injury interrupted two years.

Bluebear, that was an absurd argument to say Benji might be cut because he has never been close to senior selection.

Firstly, it wasn't an arguement. It was a comment aimed at the statement comparing Aisake and Benji.
Of those two Aisake is under contract, and I think we won't break a contract like that. That was the only reason I said it....when comparing THOSE TWO.

Benjamin has been on the list for just 30 games and turns 20 in July.

You could argue Clinton has more upside than alot of the players in the 2006.

Delist.


Saddington.
Ackland.
Wiggins.
Blackwell.
Aisake.
Jackson.

If Hartlett has two more hamstring injuries, I think it could be curtains. :(


As I said. Someone will be unlucky.
Wiggins has shown some form in the AFL (that's above VFL in case you missed it).
Aiskae and Jackson are both contracted.

To restate the OP, the 4 will most likely come from:
Russ, Blackwell, Saddo, Ackland, Benjamin, Anderson, Wiggins
as they are out of contract.
Saddo and Ackland are certs.
That leaves two who are currently in the senior team and doing a job - unlikely to be delisted for a third round pick........so 2 will most likely come from Blackwell, Anderson and Benjamin.

So unless you think we are about to delist a contracted player, then I don't think delisting Benjamin is absurd at all, as I 'd have Anderson ahead of him ATM.

If you're looking for an absurd statement maybe try yours above with Benji ahead of Jackson. :o

[chelsworthgale]

Give it up Chelsworth, Russell will stay or must be worth something if a club would do that trade.

If either of the Adelaide teams entered that trade they would be getting a later draft pick and are essentially just topping up their depth players in prep for a run at the premiership. That is all his worth is at a decent team, simply a depth player... similar to what Wiggins is for us at the moment. Wiggins is purely in the side due to injuries etc.

While we missed an oppotunity to trade him off a couple of years back, if his luke warm form continues he would hold some value and an upgrading of our 3rd round pick to a second 2nd round pick would be a win win for both sides.

[stevedarui]

Ratts indicated that he wants blokes at Carlton who are prepared to work hard by chasing, tackling and winning the contested footy so that would indicate Hoops might be in trouble.

[chelsworthgale]

Ratts indicated that he wants blokes at Carlton who are prepared to work hard by chasing, tackling and winning the contested footy so that would indicate Hoops might be in trouble.

your basing that on his current form huh? :p;)

at the end of the day you still need some seagulls with polished skills. Now while I detest his fiora like attitude towards the hard ball his spot in the side as an outside receiver can be justified especially with guys like murphy, gibbs, bentick and judd extracting the hard ball.

similar outside receiving role to carro just with more polished skills

[[ToTTi]]

Looking at our future, you'd say the 4 would be Ackland, Saddington, Blackwell and Wiggins...

Ackland.

Saddington was kept for depth purposes in defence but the emergence of Bower and Jamison spelt the end for him already. With Bannister stepping up and Waite playing back, along with Anderson and Austin in the Ants we no longer need his services.

Blackers won't find a spot in a midfield of Judd, Stevens, Murphy, Gibbs, Scotland, Carrazzo, Hadley, Simpson and Bentick is playing good footy.

Then there's Walker, Houlihan, Browne and Russell who would get a gig in there before Blackers.

Can Wiggins get any better than he is now? I think not so he may be the other to get the chop. Needs to play some really good footy between now and the end of the season, not just do his job. His attack on the ball won't keep him a spot on the list with Pfeiffer there who is just as hard at it with more upside.

Benji to be chopped is ludicrous. To give a project player only 2 years and then to show them the door won't happen. He is improving and is hitting his straps in the Ants.

[stevedarui]

your basing that on his current form huh? :p;)

at the end of the day you still need some seagulls with polished skills. Now while I detest his fiora like attitude towards the hard ball his spot in the side as an outside receiver can be justified especially with guys like murphy, gibbs, bentick and judd extracting the hard ball.

similar outside receiving role to carro just with my polished skills

That would be fine if he worked to recieve the footy. Carrazo workrate is much higher than Hoops and he is also prepared to tackle and shepherd.

[chelsworthgale]

That would be fine if he worked to recieve the footy. Carrazo workrate is much higher than Hoops and he is also prepared to tackle and shepherd.

I agree with that but i did state similar... every team needs a seagul and if he keeps his man quiet and has plenty of inside 50's and rebound 50's then he is doing his job.

[celtic_pride]

Hmm I think it might be all over for Bannister as well ..

[Five]

We could trade a pick with a player to try and up grade that pick a few spots...

I think we should trade russell along with a 2nd round pick to try and up grade that pick a few spots... assume we finish 10th with only Melb to have a priority pick that would make our 2nd round about pick 23ish... we trade russell and 23 to get a pick in the late teens.

Then again considering he is from SA it might be wise to try and upgrade our third round pick to a 2nd round and trade with either port or adelaide who should have a late 20ish 2nd round pick.

You think that little of him based on this year's form? You would let him go to simply have say pick 17 instead of 23?

Thought provoking thread bluebear :thumbsu:

Is trading 2 players for 1 player the only way to avoid the '4 to go' scenario?

[Five]

your basing that on his current form huh? :p;)

at the end of the day you still need some seagulls with polished skills. Now while I detest his fiora like attitude towards the hard ball his spot in the side as an outside receiver can be justified especially with guys like murphy, gibbs, bentick and judd extracting the hard ball.

similar outside receiving role to carro just with more polished skills

I think Hoops would be a good trade simply because I would rather have another hard nut so that Juddy, Murph and Gibbsy could spend less time getting crunched

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll241/Riverend/33866960Salcombeseagullscavengi.jpg
and more time stealing chips lol

[xtr1]

Ratts indicated that he wants blokes at Carlton who are prepared to work hard by chasing, tackling and winning the contested footy so that would indicate Hoops might be in trouble.He did well enough in the B&F last year to indicate that he's well regarded by the MC. You're basing that on all the games he's played this year injury free? At least wait until he's played a few before you make judgements.

[chelsworthgale]

I think Hoops would be a good trade simply because I would rather have another hard nut so that Juddy, Murph and Gibbsy could spend less time getting crunched


armfield...

skills wise i would argue judd and stevens aside hoops would be next in line to be the best field kicker in our side.

[Bluebear]

You think that little of him based on this year's form? You would let him go to simply have say pick 17 instead of 23?

Thought provoking thread bluebear :thumbsu:

Is trading 2 players for 1 player the only way to avoid the '4 to go' scenario?
Not really.

Trading 2 for 1 leaves 1 spot on our list.

Another 3 needed. So with the 3 plus the two you've got rid of you'd actually lose 5.;)

CP, I don't think Banno will go, but I'm not sure if you were serious either.
Among our best before his hammy injury and the only half decent shut-down player we have. To win a flag I think we need one very good one and another half good one, both capable of winning the footy.

To clear things up, I'm not against Benji, and I think he should get more time to develop.
I'm just not sure we'd delist Wiggins ahead of him ATM given what Wiggo is doing. Yes, Wiggo is only in the side due to injuries, but then again so is Pfieffer and Browne, and maybe even Bentick.......doesn't mean much.

The reason I started the thread was that we have cleared a lot of the dead wood in the last two years, and the only older players that are certs are Saddo and Ackland.

A younger player is likely to be in the gun, whether that is fair or not. Wiggins is in the gun to, but is doing everything he can to get out of it. Injuries have given him a chance to perform in the ones, and he has stood up and kicked big goals when we need them, and presented and taken marks when we need them.

Interesting debate though. The second half of the eyar will reveal more, which is why I started thinking about it now. We can look at the progress of those who may be under the pump.:thumbsu:

[stevedarui]

He did well enough in the B&F last year to indicate that he's well regarded by the MC. You're basing that on all the games he's played this year injury free? At least wait until he's played a few before you make judgements.

I am basing my comments on the way he plays the gameand nothing to do with form.


Him finishing so high in the B & F last year was more indicative on our season. Last season our game plan was like 1970's circle work one handball and kick the ball long.

This year our game plan is for 18 players to work hard when they do and dont have the ball. 10 years ago you could get away with a weak link who didn't chase or tackle and if we want to be a success long term we cannot afford to have any.

[Five]

Not really.

Trading 2 for 1 leaves 1 spot on our list.

Another 3 needed. So with the 3 plus the two you've got rid of you'd actually lose 5.;)


To clear things up, I'm not against Benji, and I think he should get more time to develop.

Gotcha, but say we hypothetically traded Thornto and Hoops to Hawthorn for their first round pick, then Benji could stay figuring on Ackland, Saddington, Blackwell being the 3.

[Doza]

Hmm I think it might be all over for Bannister as well ..

Hmm I think you've lost the plot...

[Doza]

This might sound a bit crazy, but do you think if Hartlett does his hamstring one more time this year they might part ways with him?

[chelsworthgale]

This might sound a bit crazy, but do you think if Hartlett does his hamstring one more time this year they might part ways with him?

yep :(

[Red_Bull]

Delist the following:

C.Judd
B.Fevola
N.Stevens
B.Gibbs
J.Waite
A.Walker
M.Murphy
K.Simpson
M.Kruezer


all are duds just like all of carlton.

Fevola should swap his skins for a nappy.

[The Cranium]

Delist the following:

C.Judd
B.Fevola
N.Stevens
B.Gibbs
J.Waite
A.Walker
M.Murphy
K.Simpson
M.Kruezer


all are duds just like all of carlton.

Fevola should swap his skins for a nappy.

You are definately the laughing stock of this herd.

[BryceGibbs#4]

Need to sign Hampson very soon. I'm sure the Gold Coast would have their eye on him considering he is a local boy.

[bluegal1983]

Need to sign Hampson very soon. I'm sure the Gold Coast would have their eye on him considering he is a local boy.

Hammer's folks moved down here to be with him so doubt they will pick up and go again but you never know so we should secure him sooner rather than later.

[HBF]

There's always one or two unlucky ones to be delisted, but here are mine:

1. Ackland
2. Saddington
3. Jackson
4. Aisake
5. Blackwell
6. Hartlett (maybe, let's see how his second half of the year goes)

I would also consider upgrading Jacobs off the rookie list as well.

[The Cranium]

Delist the following:

C.Judd
B.Fevola
N.Stevens
B.Gibbs
J.Waite
A.Walker
M.Murphy
K.Simpson
M.Kruezer


all are duds just like all of carlton.

Fevola should swap his skins for a nappy.

http://www.salagir.com/gfx/troll-web.jpg

[Bluebear]

Need to sign Hampson very soon. I'm sure the Gold Coast would have their eye on him considering he is a local boy.
5 year deal? :D

[chelsworthgale]

5 year deal? :D

3 would cover it... GC due for the start of the 2011 season arent they?

by the way BB, dewy did another hammy today! :o

[Bluebear]

3 would cover it... GC due for the start of the 2011 season arent they?

by the way BB, dewy did another hammy today! :o
Yep, just thought I'd extend a couple of years into the start. :thumbsu:

As for Dewy, he's just big boned...........

[chelsworthgale]

Yep, just thought I'd extend a couple of years into the start. :thumbsu:

As for Dewy, he's just big boned...........

I heard he is going to become the Subway spokesman... ;)

[jj1978]

With Kreuzer, Hampson and Aisake on the senior list and Jacobs is coming on... I hate to say it but could Cloke be delisted.

1) He's worth some value to teams without much ruck depth and with another pre-season in Kreuzer, Hampson, Aisake and Jacobs we could be ok.

2) Another major injury to his shoulder and he could be curtains anyway.

I'd hate to see him go cos he has heart, but he was always going to be gap-filler ruckman for us.

At the moment we definitely have Ackland and Saddington to go! If we have an eye on a CHF either from trade or draft Hartlett could be gone.

At the moment I'd say it's going to be

Ackland
Saddington
Blackwell
Cloke/Hartlett

[Bentick's My Man.]

With Kreuzer, Hampson and Aisake on the senior list and Jacobs is coming on... I hate to say it but could Cloke be delisted.

1) He's worth some value to teams without much ruck depth and with another pre-season in Kreuzer, Hampson, Aisake and Jacobs we could be ok.

2) Another major injury to his shoulder and he could be curtains anyway.

I'd hate to see him go cos he has heart, but he was always going to be gap-filler ruckman for us.

At the moment we definitely have Ackland and Saddington to go! If we have an eye on a CHF either from trade or draft Hartlett could be gone.

At the moment I'd say it's going to be

Ackland
Saddington
Blackwell
Cloke/Hartlett

:confused:, Get serious...

[DaveyBlues]

If no one has said it, I'm pretty sure i heard Greg Swan say Murph had signed an extension when i heard him speak before the game on saturday. Also said Fev will be offered a 2 year deal with a number of clauses in it to keep him on track and it should only be a matter of time before he signs that.

[Dramoth]

Hackland isnt going to get his contact option so he will definitely be out at the end of the year.

Saddo will be another who isnt going to get a new contract and I reckon that unless Wiggo pulls something special out of the bag before the end of the year, he will also be gone.

Harts while he has a lot of potential has very dodgy hammy's and is suspect.

I think that unless something serious happens, the 4 to get delisted will be those mentioned above.

I'd hate to lose hoops as he seriously has the talent and skills that we need. In the forward line... not on the backline.

[Blue History]

Somebody correct me, but I'm sure Murphy signed an extention last year or the start of this year???

I'm sure we have locked up Murphy and Gibbs for a furhter 2/3 years.

Delist Ackland, Saddo, Blackwell/Benji, Hartlett...all struggle for a game either through being sh!t or injuries or pecking order.

For those saying Wiggins, he proves when he gets out there he can play, might not be the most skilled, but he puts in 100% plus more, and that is what you want with your fringe players.

[ericpascoe]

A minimum of 4 have to go, assuming we promote Jammo

Ackland, Saddington, Blackwell and Hartlett (done the Hammy again).

If any more, I think Jackson would be next cab off the rank. After him you get into Aisake, and maybe Wiggo, depending on the rest of 08.

[legendtofski]

HOULIHAN will go...We've played the most inspired footy in 7 years since he's been out. His on his last legs and won't be of any use.

Grigg and Bower are showing him up unfortunately and guy slike Pfieffer and doing stuff he should have been doing up forward.

[Blue Dimension]

There's always one or two unlucky ones to be delisted, but here are mine:

1. Ackland
2. Saddington
3. Jackson
4. Aisake
5. Blackwell
6. Hartlett (maybe, let's see how his second half of the year goes)

I would also consider upgrading Jacobs off the rookie list as well.

You would get rid of Jackson before Wiggins?

I'd keep Hartlett, Aisake, Jackson and Blackwell ahead of Wiggins.

[thegreenmachine]

As we approach the halfway mark of the season it's worth noting that a number of players are playing for the future as they are out of contract.

We will elevate Jammo and must take at least three in the draft. That's a minimum of 4 spots we need to free up.

Out of contract this year:
Fevola, Murph, Grigg, Fisher, Austin, Hampson, Cloke, Waite, Banno,
Hoops
Should be resigned.

Which 4 of the following will go?
Russ, Blackwell, Saddo, Ackland, Benjamin, Anderson, Wiggins.

Most will say Saddo and Ackland as certainties.

Will Benji get the chop?
Will a father son in Blackwell be let go?

Given Wiggins form I think he will be kept as a depth player, and Russ has shown enough. Anderson will be ahead of Benji ATM.

Who will go?

IMO - Saddington, Ackland, Blackwell, Benjamin. +/- Wiggins if a PSD pick is required.
Ackland (contracted or not isn't up to it), Saddington (has had injury troubles and we've got enough young talent to say that we no longer require his services), Wiggins (has shown some stuff and gives it his all but has been around for long enough and is probably showing his best when he needs it more than most, but it's just still not going to be good enough at the end of the day, even though if he keeps his form up he should play most of this year), Blackwell (there are so many ahead of him now) and Jackson (one can't see him being a player for the long term).
What the hell has happened to Anderson though, the guy played the 1st 5 games in his 1st year and we know he's got rocket like speed but he ripped his hammie in 2 and we haven't seen him since. He showed something but has he had injury problems? Could he be another?
And it's unfortunate to say this but unless the medics give the okay with Harts's hammies, he could be on his way out too, very sad considering he's got wonderful talent.
But Benji, no, no, no. Not even close to senior selection, he was going to make his debut in round 1 I believe but got injured (groin wasn't it?), he'll be in sometime soon and looks like he has something.



To clear things up, I'm not against Benji, and I think he should get more time to develop.
I'm just not sure we'd delist Wiggins ahead of him ATM given what Wiggo is doing. Yes, Wiggo is only in the side due to injuries, but then again so is Pfieffer and Browne, and maybe even Bentick.......doesn't mean much.

They might be only in the side due to injuries but those 3 and Benji are way ahead of Wiggo at the moment. Bentick's great, not the best kick going around but he works his arse off and tackles, tackles, tackles and wins the ball as well. He's a great foil for the big guns in the midfield.
Pfeiffer's going to be very good and Browne's going to be a gun



[quote=Red_Bull;11137202]Delist the following:

C.Judd
B.Fevola
N.Stevens
B.Gibbs
J.Waite
A.Walker
M.Murphy
K.Simpson
M.Kruezer


all are duds just like all of carlton.

Fevola should swap his skins for a nappy.
I really do hope for your sake you were being sarcastic there.

With Kreuzer, Hampson and Aisake on the senior list and Jacobs is coming on... I hate to say it but could Cloke be delisted.

1) He's worth some value to teams without much ruck depth and with another pre-season in Kreuzer, Hampson, Aisake and Jacobs we could be ok.

2) Another major injury to his shoulder and he could be curtains anyway.

I'd hate to see him go cos he has heart, but he was always going to be gap-filler ruckman for us.

At the moment we definitely have Ackland and Saddington to go! If we have an eye on a CHF either from trade or draft Hartlett could be gone.

At the moment I'd say it's going to be

Ackland
Saddington
Blackwell
Cloke/Hartlett
Cloke won't be delisted. We need his services in the ruck for the time being and when Kreuz and Hamps are ready to take on the mantle by themselves, Cloke can play a key position role, which he'd be much better at.

HOULIHAN will go...We've played the most inspired footy in 7 years since he's been out. His on his last legs and won't be of any use.

Grigg and Bower are showing him up unfortunately and guy slike Pfieffer and doing stuff he should have been doing up forward.
Coincidental mate. What has Houlihan done wrong? Not going to happen.

[WeninRome]

do we have to delist 4?

and what of the rokies will be let go?

are ther any guys for the ants that we may rookie next year?

[ericpascoe]

[quote=jj1978;11141294]With Kreuzer, Hampson and Aisake on the senior list and Jacobs is coming on... I hate to say it but could Cloke be delisted.


No way (Jacobs), and No way (Cloke)

[Bluebear]

do we have to delist 4?
Each club must select a minimum of 3 players in the national draft, hence, 3 that must be delisted each year.

Jammison is a nominated rookie, but is in his second year so must be elevated to the senior list or let go at seasons end.......same for Sammy Jacobs.

On form you would think that Jammison will be elevated - hence the fourth spot and a minimum.

We will need 5 or more to accomodate a fourth round pick or PSD pick.

Trading etc complicates this further, but this is the basic idea.

and what of the rokies will be let go?

are ther any guys for the ants that we may rookie next year?

Jacobs will be let go as our ruck stocks look o.k. and he doesn't look mobile enough to be a ruck in the modern game IMO.

Not sure about the prospective rookies.

[Doza]

With Kreuzer, Hampson and Aisake on the senior list and Jacobs is coming on... I hate to say it but could Cloke be delisted.


Not a chance in my opinion!

[celtic_pride]

BTW Back on Bannister - If he actually struggles to find a game regularly with the seniors, and spends most of his time at the Ants, is there any point to retaining him on the list ?
Look I know he's a goer, and tries hard, but I think generally that now that perhaps Wiggo has saved his career (if he keeps playing like he has the last two weeks) another senior player who has been around a while will probably get culled, and I just don't see a future for him (certainly he's not in my best 22) ...
Or am I being overly harsh on Bannister ??

[Murphinator]

Saddington and Ackland for sure.
Blackwell will go as Bentick will be chosen over him all the time.

I agree with legendtofski... We may get rid of Houlihan. I won't be sad at all if we do.
Otherwise we will trade Hartlett/Russell/Wiggins... would love to keep Hartlett and Russell, and would be a little disappointed if Wiggy went.

No chance of Cloke going.. been a great pick up for us and is very important whilst Kreuzer, Hampson, and Aisake are developing.

I do agree Celtic_Pride.. Bannister was definitely in our best 22 before injury, but if he cannot get back into the seniors then i don't know how he will keep his spot in the team. His experience and ability, adding extra depth is a good asset to have though.

[Big Delut]

Not a chance in my opinion!

x2.:thumbsu:

[thylacine60]

x2.:thumbsu:

x3. :thumbsu:

[CarltonFan]

x3. :thumbsu:

/3. :thumbsd:

[chelsworthgale]

/3. :thumbsd:

1 (original) x 2 x 3 = 6 then you divide by 3... that still leaves two... :o

[gbatman]

Im thinking Ackland, Houlihan, Blackwell, A. O'hAilpin, Saddington are all on the chopping block.

I don't know why people want to de-list Wiggins, there's nothing wrong with him, he's a good forward flanker, can kick straight, hard at the ball, great hands and always gives 100%. Had a bad career run with injuries, is due for some luck.

Blackwell would be unlucky as he's been injury plagued and has shown a bit. Houlihan is too old and has too many poor aspects to his game (tackling, hardness, pace), too exploitable. Aisake O'hAlpin can't get a game in the Bullants 1st's plus we have 4 ruckmen ahead of him. Saddington (plays shorter than what he is) and Ackland aren't good enough, too many players ahead of them.

[berisha]

Don't De-List

Wiggins
Russell
Jackson

[Gilly1972]

1 (original) x 2 x 3 = 6 then you divide by 3... that still leaves two... :o

lol, working it well Will :p

[Bluebear]

BTW Back on Bannister - If he actually struggles to find a game regularly with the seniors, and spends most of his time at the Ants
Umm.......up until he did his Hammy, not only did he play every denior game this season, but was contantly among our most influential players......and our ONLY genuine shut down player.

:confused:

[HBF]

Banno is safe. Had a great start to the year, and is easily our best shut down player.

[robbo75]

At the moment, I'd think Saddington, Ackland, Blackwell and Wiggins will be delisted. Think you're being a bit harsh on Benji - his disposal has improved markedly this year and is playing decent footy in the Ants. He is a project player and I'd be surprised if the club chop him after two.

I haven't followed that much footy the past few years....but hasn't Luke Blackwell made the grade? I'm a Swan Districts fan and he was a bit of gun when he was there.

[Blue Dimension]

I haven't followed that much footy the past few years....but hasn't Luke Blackwell made the grade? I'm a Swan Districts fan and he was a bit of gun when he was there.

Seemed to have been favoured by Ratten at the end of last season, but got injured and has struggled to get onto the park this year, only playing two games in the VFL. I'm a big fan personally, as not many people are on this forum. I think he has potential but he's got to get out on the park and prove his worth if he wants to stick around.

[Bluebear]

I haven't followed that much footy the past few years....but hasn't Luke Blackwell made the grade? I'm a Swan Districts fan and he was a bit of gun when he was there.
Had the problem last year of dominating in the VFL, coming up to the seniors and not making the most of his game time.
Many would argue that Pagan didn't give him a run......but much like Edwards ATM, you need to make the most of every chance as a fringe player (even more so for Blackers in the midfield) or you'll be delisted.

Bentick and Hadley are ahead of him for the in and under role, and he isn't super quick, so a fair way back in the line for mids rotations.

Sad to see him go if he does, but that's footy.

[smithos]

Luke does not have the conditioning to play AFL. He's a guy who needed a massive preseason to force his way into the team and show us his skill, but unfortunately he spent the entire preseason in the rehab group. It's half way through the season and he's just coming back through the Bullant reserves, which is far from ideal for a bloke looking for a new contract.

[TheGeneral]

Jacobs will be let go as our ruck stocks look o.k. and he doesn't look mobile enough to be a ruck in the modern game IMO.

Not sure about the prospective rookies.
How many times have you watched Jacobs in the VFL this year to form this opinion?

I've read Jacobs has improved his mobility and his fitness this year.

Jacobs kicked two goals in the VFL last week and was running well according to reports. ;)

Three ruckman isn't enough when Cloke is undersized with dodgy shoulders and the other two will be in their second and third years.

Tough ask expecting Cloke, Kreuzer and Hampson to ruck for 22 weeks.

Unless we get Warnock who we are supposed to be interested in, I think it will be

In: Jacobs
Out: Aisake

[Five]

Gary Lyon is now adapting your threads for his column Bluebear :)
He went for Ackland, Saddington and Hoops

[Bluebear]

Gary like my stuff eh?

I should feel honoured........but I feel dirty.


Fair call on Jacobs. I haven't seen him play this year, but saw some last year, and some pre-season training, didn't look to have changed much.

I take it back if he has become a lot more mobile since March.:thumbsu:

[Shambolic]

Now that the list is clear of chaff, or almost clear, we will have to get used to average and solid players being delisted simply to make space. This is a good thing and much better than when over the past few years we enter a season knowing 4 or 5 of our list just aren't up to it.

Clear delistings would be Ackland, Saddington, Blackwell

Rookie promotions and retentions will be Jacobs, Jamo, Joseph and Shields (more years), so the other 2 would go.

On this basis we only have 5 spots. We would normally go for 8 to 10 including rookies to soak up the new talent.

Trade and delist block would be any 3 to 5 of Russell, Hartlett, Wiggins, Aisake and one or two other surprises.

Anyone spending a lot of time for the Bullants seconds will be gone - and thats why I think Aisake will go.

[TheGeneral]

*BUMP*

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we have to find a spot for Jamison on the senior list because he's a nominated rookie?

Does the AFL still require clubs to draft three players?

Carlton might be required to delist four to five players if we want to upgrade Jacobs whose two years on the rookie list are up.

Someone who has played ten games might be cut if we want to have four or five picks in the draft and picks up some young kids whilst we can.

Russell, Jackson or the injury prone Hartlett might get the cut. :confused:

Benjamin should stay.

If we sign Warnock, you'd imagine that would be the end of Jacobs at Carlton.

Delist: Ackland, Saddington, Wiggins, Blackwell, Aisake, who? :confused:
In: Jacobs - possibly for Ackland, Jamison - for Saddington, round 1 pick, round 2 pick, round 3 pick, round four pick

[LondonCalling]

Ackland, Saddington, Houlihan, Blackwell, possibly Aisake depending on his contract status/want to go home.

Jamison promoted, hopefully McKinley brought in, don't see the point of Warnock, nor could I see the point of Warnock wanting to come to us if he were to be considered the fourth string ruckman.

[Juddrockz]

Ackland, Saddington, Houlihan, Blackwell, possibly Aisake depending on his contract status/want to go home.

Jamison promoted, hopefully McKinley brought in, don't see the point of Warnock, nor could I see the point of Warnock wanting to come to us if he were to be considered the fourth string ruckman.
add Fisher as well

[LondonCalling]

Fish wouldn't be delisted, and we'd be silly to do so on the weight of half a season's poor form.

Possibly trade bait, but I really can't see anyone offering anything that offers the value we'd lose by offloading him (no team would be silly enough to trade anything decent for a 2nd/3rd tall)

[Bluebear]

*BUMP*

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we have to find a spot for Jamison on the senior list because he's a nominated rookie?

Does the AFL still require clubs to draft three players?


OP, second sentence........and the reason for the whole thread:

"We will elevate Jammo and must take at least three in the draft. That's a minimum of 4 spots we need to free up."
:o


Carlton might be required to delist four to five players if we want to upgrade Jacobs whose two years on the rookie list are up.

Someone who has played ten games might be cut if we want to have four or five picks in the draft and picks up some young kids whilst we can.

Russell, Jackson or the injury prone Hartlett might get the cut. :confused:

Benjamin should stay.
Why?
Second year on the list..........I haven't seen much of him.......but neither has the guys watching the ants:
"Anderson was not good. Teaguey pointed him out in front of the group and was disappointing IMO. Likewise with Joseph, didnt see him all day, and benjiman. Anderson looks good, but just had a bad day i think."

Not rying to be smart here.......but just wondering how long we hold onto him for when he seems to find VFL difficult to get into. I really haven't noticed his name promnently in many VFL reports period.


If we sign Warnock, you'd imagine that would be the end of Jacobs at Carlton.
Someone else thought that he might go to...........scroll up.:rolleyes:

Accodring to the report yesterday, was caught a number of times holding the ball........maybe a touch slow?

Delist: Ackland, Saddington, Wiggins, Blackwell, Aisake, who? :confused:
In: Jacobs - possibly for Ackland, Jamison - for Saddington, round 1 pick, round 2 pick, round 3 pick, round four pick

Yellow on white is a very poor option. I think that first one says Blackwell........second one I assume is round 2 pick.:confused:


add Fisher as well

Fish wouldn't be delisted, and we'd be silly to do so on the weight of half a season's poor form.

Possibly trade bait,


We lack support for Fev.

Fisher is capable of kicking 40-50 goals a year.

Has kicked 10 goals in 9 games, missing the lead up to the season with a broken wrist after some good pre-season form.

Had a bad game vs Lions and vs Cats..........exactly why do you wish to get rid of the only other guy taking marks and kicking goals.

Might I add he is playing a ot further up the ground these days as well.

Please explain?

[legendtofski]

Ratts indicated that he wants blokes at Carlton who are prepared to work hard by chasing, tackling and winning the contested footy so that would indicate Hoops might be in trouble.

Mate Hoops is gawn. He's a rubbish footballer - soft, goes missing, master of junk possession when we get beaten by 20 goals and never hurts the opposition - and those of you that think otherwise only do so becuase you have a loser mentality.

[Trimmer]

Ryan Jackson where is he at? i think we should hold on to him!

[TheGeneral]

OP, second sentence........and the reason for the whole thread:

"We will elevate Jammo and must take at least three in the draft. That's a minimum of 4 spots we need to free up."
:o
You're embarrassed and just had to prove you're so much smarter than everyone else by using that smilie.

That's nice and condescending for someone who didn't read the first post.

I hope you felt good about yourself after that effort.
Why?
Second year on the list..........I haven't seen much of him.......but neither has the guys watching the ants:
"Anderson was not good. Teaguey pointed him out in front of the group and was disappointing IMO. Likewise with Joseph, didnt see him all day, and benjiman. Anderson looks good, but just had a bad day i think."

Not rying to be smart here.......but just wondering how long we hold onto him for when he seems to find VFL difficult to get into. I really haven't noticed his name promnently in many VFL reports period.
Why would you cut a player after just two years?

Give him another year under a new coach and some more time to produce something.

Others deserve to go before Benjamin who was highly rated and considered a good get for pick 57.
Someone else thought that he might go to...........scroll up.:rolleyes:

Accodring to the report yesterday, was caught a number of times holding the ball........maybe a touch slow?
I'm talking about cutting Jacobs if we sign Warnock.

Someone as intelligent as yourself should have got that.
Yellow on white is a very poor option. I think that first one says Blackwell........second one I assume is round 2 pick.:confused:
Why don't you c & p or remove the color tags to read it?
We lack support for Fev.

Fisher is capable of kicking 40-50 goals a year.

Has kicked 10 goals in 9 games, missing the lead up to the season with a broken wrist after some good pre-season form.

Had a bad game vs Lions and vs Cats..........exactly why do you wish to get rid of the only other guy taking marks and kicking goals.

Might I add he is playing a ot further up the ground these days as well.

Please explain?
He can't kick or apply defensive pressure in today's game of keepings off because he's slow.

Unless Fisher marks it(when he doesn't get in Fev's way), he's as effective as a witches hat when the opposition are running the ball out of our forwardline.

A genuinely good forward wouldn't have missed that shot from 25 metres out against the Lions and put it over the goal umpires head.

We overrate Fisher.

[Bluebear]

You're embarrassed and just had to prove you're so much smarter than everyone else by using that smilie.
It has nothing to do with smart. Just felt embarrassed for you that you would ask questions, that not only were answered in the OP, but in fact are the whole point of the thread.

That's nice and condescending for someone who didn't read the first post.
Ummmm........I wrote the first post. I think you need to re-write this sentence, because clearly I am the one being condescending, but am not the one who didn't read the OP.........your sentence makes it sound like they are the same person. :confused:
I hope you felt good about yourself after that effort.

I feel fine actually. Nothing to do with that effort. My happiness has very little to do with what I or others type on this forum.

I apologise if your happiness rides on what is written here and I certainly didn't mean to upset you.

Sorry. :thumbsu:

I also apologise for questioning Benjamin. He should get 4 years on the list to prove himself. Give him a contract extension leaving us to delist Wiggins, who, if he was playing VFL would be playing very well, and has moments in the seniors where he actually does play well.........yes......get rid of him in favour of a kid with "upside" who has shown in his first year and a half an inablility to play well at VFL level.

Don't what I was thinking..............(insert random icon here)

[Bluebear]

Thought it was worth revisiting this thread with a few signings and some form guides as we enter the last part of the year.


We will elevate Jammo and must take at least three in the draft. That's a minimum of 4 spots we need to free up.
Check. Jammo signed for three years from 2009 meaning we need at least 4 senior list spots next year.

Out of contract this year:
Fevola, Murph, Grigg, Fisher, Austin, Hampson, Cloke, Waite, Banno,
Hoops
Should be resigned.

Which 4 of the following will go?
Russ, Blackwell, Saddo, Ackland, Benjamin, Anderson, Wiggins.

Most will say Saddo and Ackland as certainties.
Anderson back in some form and named as an emergency this week. Wiggins and Russ continue to play seniors, and showing some form and are unlikely to go to be replaced by a third round draft pick.
Benjamin injured ATM, Blackwell still struggling to dominate VFL.
Who will go?
IMO - Saddington, Ackland, Blackwell, Benjamin. +/- Wiggins if a PSD pick is required.

So who will number 4 be?
I still think Benji is far from safe despite only being listed for 2 years. We have seen 2nd and 3rd round picks play seniors ahead of him.

Who else could the 4th position be?:confused:

One from left field..........how is Aisake going? Is he happy to keep trying and play reserves, hoping to get ahead of Cloke, Hampson or Kreuzer, or will he pull the pin and go home?

Food for thought.

[Blue Dimension]

Thought it was worth revisiting this thread with a few signings and some form guides as we enter the last part of the year.


Check. Jammo signed for three years from 2009 meaning we need at least 4 senior list spots next year.


Anderson back in some form and named as an emergency this week. Wiggins and Russ continue to play seniors, and showing some form and are unlikely to go to be replaced by a third round draft pick.
Benjamin injured ATM, Blackwell still struggling to dominate VFL.


So who will number 4 be?
I still think Benji is far from safe despite only being listed for 2 years. We have seen 2nd and 3rd round picks play seniors ahead of him.

Who else could the 4th position be?:confused:

One from left field..........how is Aisake going? Is he happy to keep trying and play reserves, hoping to get ahead of Cloke, Hampson or Kreuzer, or will he pull the pin and go home?

Food for thought.

Has gotten a lot of the ball in the past three weeks since making a come back. Not saying he won't get cut though because spots on the list will be tough and he is a long way behind in the pecking order.

Personally i don't think Wiggins will last beyond this year even though he is getting senior games. You say you think Benjamin will go. Let me ask you, if you don't take punts on those who have a chance to rise above the average then do you honestly think we are going to get anywhere anytime soon?

Wiggins will be on the chopping block, ahead of Benjamin. Just because he isn't getting games at this point in time doesn't mean the club doesn't think he hasn't got it.

Wiggins is keeping the seat warm.

[BLue_Bloys]

IMO Wiggins will be played until he reaches 100. Then *maybe* he will be offered a bullants position similar to Teague / Lappin.

I remember reading how much he loves the club and how much people rate him and his passion. Pure speculation, but that's my guess.

Benjamin will probably be persisted with.

So I would assume....Out: Ackland, Saddington, Blackwell, Wiggins, Aisake.

If we only delist four then Wiggins is probably safe for another year

[thylacine60]

IMO Wiggins will be played until he reaches 100. Then *maybe* he will be offered a bullants position similar to Teague / Lappin.

I remember reading how much he loves the club and how much people rate him and his passion. Pure speculation, but that's my guess.

Benjamin will probably be persisted with.

So I would assume....Out: Ackland, Saddington, Blackwell, Wiggins, Aisake.

If we only delist four then Wiggins is probably safe for another year

All things going well for us you'd have to begin thinking that next season will see us with very little deadwood. :thumbsu:

[Bluebear]

You say you think Benjamin will go. Let me ask you, if you don't take punts on those who have a chance to rise above the average then do you honestly think we are going to get anywhere anytime soon?


We have taken a punt, on:
Anderson - played senior footy and has shown he is capable
Browne - ditto
Armfield - ditto

I understand Benji has not been on the list long.......but how much closer to a senior spot is he? Next year? The year after? Ahead of who?

In a perfect world I would love to see him retained to try and improve, but I can't see him surviving ahead of guys that are in the senior side week in and week out and are contributing.

He would have to improve a lot just to get up to the level of Russell and Wiggins.

We need a fourth spot. All I am saying is he is in the gun, along with a number of others.......the only arguement I have seen against it is that he has only had 2 years..........Ross Young anyone?

I don't want him to go, but I think his name will be discussed.

[Gilly1972]

Sometimes the indigenous boys take a bit longer to kick on. I'd give Benji another 1 or 2.... he has the athletic tools to play AFL, needs to work on some other aspects of his game to give him a few more strings to his bow....he may or may not make it, but....IMO it would be worth investing some more in him as opposed to Jacko who you would think is pretty low in the pecking order with our added midfield depth.

[thylacine60]

Sometimes the indigenous boys take a bit longer to kick on. I'd give Benji another 1 or 2.... he has the athletic tools to play AFL, needs to work on some other aspects of his game to give him a few more strings to his bow....he may or may not make it, but....IMO it would be worth investing some more in him as opposed to Jacko who you would think is pretty low in the pecking order with our added midfield depth.

So indigenous KPP's take..................? ;)

[Mr.X]

Shop the following for trades:
Walker
Carazzo
Blackwell


Delist:

Ackland
Setanta
Wiggins

[Gilly1972]

So indigenous KPP's take..................? ;)

The longest ;)

[Bluebear]

Sometimes the indigenous boys take a bit longer to kick on. I'd give Benji another 1 or 2.... he has the athletic tools to play AFL, needs to work on some other aspects of his game to give him a few more strings to his bow....he may or may not make it, but....IMO it would be worth investing some more in him as opposed to Jacko who you would think is pretty low in the pecking order with our added midfield depth.

I was limiting the list to uncontracted players. Jackson is on the list for next year.

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Shop the following for trades:
Walker :eek:
Carazzo
Blackwell


Delist:

Ackland
Setanta
Wiggins

Your kidding me...
Walker, gees i cant wait for him to come back into the side, just to show muppets like yourself why he is one of the most important players on our list.
Carrazzo, we would most likely get a late 2nd rounder... worth keeping
Blackwell has nor played a game in our ones and is unlikely to unless something terrible goes wrong.. what makes you think someone will consider giving up a pick for him... especially considering that this will be the last open draft...

dont type dribble mate

Shop Walker around...:o you may as well put Gibbs on that list as well

[Jeremias]

You would think that really we only need to free up 4 spots on the senior list.

Saddington
Ackland
Aisake
Blackwell

They would have to be the first 4 to go.

Jamo is going to be elevated, so that means that we'll be able to make 3 selections in the draft.

Jacobs is another that we need to make a decision on. I don't think we're in any sort of position to be getting rid of a young ruckman that is showing signs of improvement so I think that we might just elevate him. That would mean that another needs to go.

Could we see the back of Jackson? Seems to have been forgotten this year after going out of the senior side very early in the season. I don't think that we'll see him past this year, unfortunately.

Other candidates aren't really deserving to be let go of. There's Wiggins, who is serving a purpose in the seniors so I can't see him going, at least not this year. Benji is another that might come under the gun, but I would be very surprised. He's not expected to be in the seniors at the moment so I'm quite happy to give him at least another year, probably even 2, to see where he's at and if he can start to come through.

So, in summary, we might see something like this:

Out: Saddington, Ackland, Aisake, Blackwell, Jackson
In: Jamison, Jacobs, ND pick, ND pick, ND pick/PSD pick

[Marc Shmurf 3]

You would think that really we only need to free up 4 spots on the senior list.

Saddington
Ackland
Aisake
Blackwell

They would have to be the first 4 to go.

Jamo is going to be elevated, so that means that we'll be able to make 3 selections in the draft.

Jacobs is another that we need to make a decision on. I don't think we're in any sort of position to be getting rid of a young ruckman that is showing signs of improvement so I think that we might just elevate him. That would mean that another needs to go.

Could we see the back of Jackson? Seems to have been forgotten this year after going out of the senior side very early in the season. I don't think that we'll see him past this year, unfortunately.

Other candidates aren't really deserving to be let go of. There's Wiggins, who is serving a purpose in the seniors so I can't see him going, at least not this year. Benji is another that might come under the gun, but I would be very surprised. He's not expected to be in the seniors at the moment so I'm quite happy to give him at least another year, probably even 2, to see where he's at and if he can start to come through.

So, in summary, we might see something like this:

Out: Saddington, Ackland, Aisake, Blackwell, Jackson
In: Jamison, Jacobs, ND pick, ND pick, ND pick/PSD pick

Jackson is one thats gone under the radar hasnt he...

[Mike_blues]

Shop the following for trades:
Walker
Carazzo
Blackwell


Delist:

Ackland
Setanta
Wiggins
your kidding arnt you?
have u seen ANY of walker last year?
just coa hes been injured, you think we should trade him?
may as well add waite or gibbs or murphy to that chain

[Mike_blues]

Jackson is one thats gone under the radar hasnt he...
hmm u got a point there
havnt heard ANYTHING about him since the freo game where he was with some little boy with thornton and bannister all our injured
is jackson still injured? or just not performing?
id hate to get rid of blackwell since i like him, but atm hes a long way behind our midfielders

OUT: saddington, ackland, aisake, either of: russell/wiggins/jackson/blackwell

[The Cranium]

hmm u got a point there
havnt heard ANYTHING about him since the freo game where he was with some little boy with thornton and bannister all our injured
is jackson still injured? or just not performing?
id hate to get rid of blackwell since i like him, but atm hes a long way behind our midfielders

OUT: saddington, ackland, aisake, either of: russell/wiggins/jackson/blackwell

A big NO, he is a total GUN. Has a bigger GUN that Gunslinger.

[Bluebear]

*Bump*

I know its my own, but thought it worth a revisit.


We will elevate Jammo and must take at least three in the draft. That's a minimum of 4 spots we need to free up.

Still Out of contract this year:
Murph, Fisher, Cloke, Waite, Banno, Hoops
Should be resigned.

Which 4 of the following will go?
Russ, Blackwell, Saddo, Ackland, Benjamin, Anderson, Wiggins.

Most will say Saddo and Ackland as certainties.

Will Benji get the chop?
Will a father son in Blackwell be let go?

Given Wiggins form I think he will be kept as a depth player, and Russ has shown enough. Anderson will be ahead of Benji ATM.

Who will go?

IMO - Saddington, Ackland, Blackwell, Benjamin. +/- Wiggins if a PSD pick is required.

Hmmm, well it's intereasting that Wiggins has actually had a really consistent second half of the year, and probably his best year on the list.

What is more interesting is that Saddo has been recalled to the senior team........farewell or last chance to prove himself?

Has Banno moved onto the possibly gone list?

And what about Setanta and Aisake?
Aisake in particular seems to be struggling. Setanta is worth persisting with as he has shown an ability to play well at senior level and is still new to the game........loads of upside.

The next few weeks will be interesting.

Does Saddo get dumped for Bower? If so then maybe its curtains.

[Five]

*Bump*

I know its my own, but thought it worth a revisit.



Hmmm, well it's intereasting that Wiggins has actually had a really consistent second half of the year, and probably his best year on the list.

What is more interesting is that Saddo has been recalled to the senior team........farewell or last chance to prove himself?

Has Banno moved onto the possibly gone list?

And what about Setanta and Aisake?
Aisake in particular seems to be struggling. Setanta is worth persisting with as he has shown an ability to play well at senior level and is still new to the game........loads of upside.

The next few weeks will be interesting.

Does Saddo get dumped for Bower? If so then maybe its curtains.

http://www.northeaststage.com/images/stage_curtains.jpg

Your original predictions could see you in the collect queue bb

[HBF]

Even Saddo has been recalled to the team, I just don't think he has done enough over the season to retain his spot on our list. The other delistings are fairly obvious IMO:

Jason Saddington
Cain Ackland
Aisake O'Hailpin
Luke Blackwell
Ryan Jackson
Clinton Benjamin

Officially upgrade Jamo onto the Senior list.

[Poz_Utd_V.2]

Even Saddo has been recalled to the team, I just don't think he has done enough over the season to retain his spot on our list. The other delistings are fairly obvious IMO:

Jason Saddington
Cain Ackland
Aisake O'Hailpin
Luke Blackwell
Ryan Jackson
Clinton Benjamin

Officially upgrade Jamo onto the Senior list.

So we take 4 picks in the ND, 1 rookie upgrade and 1 PSD.

[cesc]

Jackson deserves to be given one last chance to prove himself and show whether he has the quality to fight for a spot in our midfield imo. he was a decent player last year, but unfortunately he hasnt been given any chances to prove himself this year due to our strength and depth in the midfield.

[Kenny Hunter]

Jackson is GONE!
I said it last December before the season and so far I'm:thumbsu:

[Rambo Stallone]

So we take 4 picks in the ND, 1 rookie upgrade and 1 PSD.

I wouldn't be surprise if Blackwell doesn't like Ratten if he get's the chop,he hasn't even been named on the emergency list and not giving a go with 2 games left to survive if he get's cut while being in the best the last few games.