View Full Version : Should Kirk be our sole captain?
Costanza_
26 May 2008, 21:21
Seen at least 2 or 3 people on the main boards query why Kirk isn't the sole appointed captain of the club. Tend to agree with them really. I'm all for a leadership 'group', but that doesn't mean you can't have a captain. Many would agree he is the most fearless, inspirational player/leader in the comp - so why not give him the accolade.
Thoughts?
SOPH_CROSS
26 May 2008, 21:24
Would love to see Captain Kirk
Choco Williams has a giant man crush on him. Not only was he signing Brett Kirk's praises before the Dreamteam game saying what a great leader he is but here is a quote he made yesterday.
Williams couldn't help but marvel at the efforts of Sydney's inspirational midfielder Brett Kirk, who helped turn the game when the Swans seemed buried.
"His tackling and his hard-ball gets and his clearance numbers are just outstanding,'' Williams said.
"To have a leader like that to drag them over the line and do what he does. Roosy would be disappointed that he's 30 or 31 and that he can't be there forever.''
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/sport/afl/story/0,27009,23752921-5016140,00.html
Hooley McBoob
26 May 2008, 21:35
I only like the 3 captain thing because Craig's one of them :o
I think it would be better if Brett was captain and Craig was vice-captain :)
rancidpants13
26 May 2008, 21:46
I only like the 3 captain thing because Craig's one of them :o
I think it would be better if Brett was captain and Craig was vice-captain :)
agreed
Costanza_
26 May 2008, 21:49
I only like the 3 captain thing because Craig's one of them :o
I think it would be better if Brett was captain and Craig was vice-captain :)
I'd be up for that. I'd even go as far as saying we could sustain multiple vice-captains if they wanted to incorporate everyone in the leadership group.
he's already our soul captain
is2SWaNz
26 May 2008, 21:59
I only like the 3 captain thing because Craig's one of them :o
I think it would be better if Brett was captain and Craig was vice-captain :)
I'd like that.
On Choco's praises to Kirk; Kirk would play on till 40 or something.
Costanza_
26 May 2008, 22:02
he's already our soul captain
Nice pickup :thumbsu:
MalceskiFan
26 May 2008, 23:19
I'd much prefer Kirk as sole captain of the bloods with Bolts as VC. We're blessed with leaders when you think about it. Any one of these blokes would make a great captain:
Kirk
Mick
Hall
Leo
Craig
Jude - Unless he can get some consistency into his game would be more of a Vandenberg or K. Johnson style captain.
Goodes
ROK
Malceski
is2SWaNz
26 May 2008, 23:40
I'd much prefer Kirk as sole captain of the bloods with Bolts as VC. We're blessed with leaders when you think about it. Any one of these blokes would make a great captain:
Kirk
Mick
Hall
Leo
Craig
Jude - Unless he can get some consistency into his game would be more of a Vandenberg or K. Johnson style captain.
Goodes
ROK
Malceski
Minus Leo. No offence to him, but I just don't think he has captaincy material.
mattf83
26 May 2008, 23:46
yep
The co-captain system was brought in because after maxfield left there were a number of candidates but no standout.
Kirk is now obviously a standout
Tough to gid rid of C Bolts though, Barry a bit easier
Hooley McBoob
26 May 2008, 23:50
Tough to gid rid of C Bolts though, Barry a bit easier
It's okay, Craig's only 27 (he will be 28 in a few days actually) - he will be captain when Kirk retires :thumbsu: :p
is2SWaNz
26 May 2008, 23:53
It's okay, Craig's only 27 (he will be 28 in a few days actually) - he will be captain when Kirk retires :thumbsu: :p
I can see Craig being the next 'sole' captain after Kirky too.
rancidpants13
27 May 2008, 00:06
I can see Craig being the next 'sole' captain after Kirky too.
with malch his deputy
then when malch takes the helm, bird should be ready to be VC
see, i have a progression plan in place already
bedford
27 May 2008, 00:42
with malch his deputy
then when malch takes the helm, bird should be ready to be VC
see, i have a progression plan in place already
What about k.jack for the future Rancid
cjonsen
27 May 2008, 13:58
Absolutely no question. He just refuses end end a game knowing that he didn't do all that his body was capable of to win.
4TH GEN SWAN
27 May 2008, 14:02
If Kirk was to be our sole Captain, we would have to guard against an invasion from the "Klingeons".......:D:D:D
I only like the 3 captain thing because Craig's one of them :o
I think it would be better if Brett was captain and Craig was vice-captain :)
Good call.
rancidpants13
27 May 2008, 16:52
What about k.jack for the future Rancid
probly haven't seen enough of him yet to seee any leadership qualities, but he's a livewire, he seems to be very aware of his teammates, always encouraging and acknowledging
at this stage i'd have bird ahead of him, and i guess i can't really explainj why
bird just looks like captaincy material
but if it turns out jack's the go in future, i can live with it, bedford
suddenly we seem to have a whole bunch of real good kids, hard goers all
smasher
27 May 2008, 17:29
I think that Kirk has stepped up more this year and should definately be the sole captain of the Swannies.Apparantly his leadership skills were outstanding in the Allies squad and many a compliment was paid.
I still prefer the one captain system and BRETT Kirk would definately be the man for the job.
4TH GEN SWAN
27 May 2008, 17:35
I think that Kirk has stepped up more this year and should definately be the sole captain of the Swannies.Apparantly his leadership skills were outstanding in the Allies squad and many a compliment was paid.
I still prefer the one captain system and Greg Kirk would definately be the man for the job.
I think you mean Brett Kirk......:eek:
Costanza_
27 May 2008, 17:42
Greg Kirk
:)
Are you suggesting a hybrid Stafford/Kirk?
bradmanstandguy
27 May 2008, 18:36
Ithink the original concept of co- captains was a good one. One in defence,one for midfield,and one for the forwards. When one area of the team was not performing,it would be up to respective captains,to gee up
the players in their respective parts of the field. Kirky has extended his area
numerous times,and hopefully inspires his other co-captains.
On another note,he could be worth a punt for a place in the Brownlows!!
cinderella man
27 May 2008, 19:25
Choco Williams has a giant man crush on him. Not only was he signing Brett Kirk's praises before the Dreamteam game saying what a great leader he is but here is a quote he made yesterday.
Williams couldn't help but marvel at the efforts of Sydney's inspirational midfielder Brett Kirk, who helped turn the game when the Swans seemed buried.
"His tackling and his hard-ball gets and his clearance numbers are just outstanding,'' Williams said.
"To have a leader like that to drag them over the line and do what he does. Roosy would be disappointed that he's 30 or 31 and that he can't be there forever.''
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/sport/afl/story/0,27009,23752921-5016140,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/sport/afl/story/0,27009,23752921-5016140,00.html)This is a pointless thread that i am sure has been raised before.Everybody that appreciates this great man would all state the obvious answer.Kirk not being the one and only captain of the Swans is probably the only real bad decision Roos has made in regards to what represents the team from a leadership perspective.It is in no means detrimental to the team because all 3 captains are great leaders but Brett Kirk is in Paul Kellys class as a captain and deserves the honour on his own.Weather religious or not all Swans supporters should get down on their knees and pray to their maker that Kirk can play on for at least another couple of years.That being the case the least Roos could do is hand the reigns over to him by himself and reward him for what has been a truly inspirational career of a sportsman who has given his club and its supporters every ounce of his heart and soul and sent me to work on a Monday morning more often than not with a smile on my face due to his heroic feats.Didnt mean to demean the thread.Thats my rant and now i am off to St Paricks to say a few Hail Marys.:thumbsu:
bradmanstandguy
27 May 2008, 20:26
This is a pointless thread that i am sure has been raised before.Everybody that appreciates this great man would all state the obvious answer.Kirk not being the one and only captain of the Swans is probably the only real bad decision Roos has made in regards to what represents the team from a leadership perspective.It is in no means detrimental to the team because all 3 captains are great leaders but Brett Kirk is in Paul Kellys class as a captain and deserves the honour on his own.Weather religious or not all Swans supporters should get down on their knees and pray to their maker that Kirk can play on for at least another couple of years.That being the case the least Roos could do is hand the reigns over to him by himself and reward him for what has been a truly inspirational career of a sportsman who has given his club and its supporters every ounce of his heart and soul and sent me to work on a Monday morning more often than not with a smile on my face due to his heroic feats.Didnt mean to demean the thread.Thats my rant and now i am off to St Paricks to say a few Hail Marys.:thumbsu:
Pointless thread? If this thread was pointless,why did so many reply?
Given Kirks great form recently,i think that this post was valid!
You have come out of the woodwork,with some good points,but dont see many posts in other areas!!!!!
Costanza_
27 May 2008, 20:33
It's not necessarily a pointless thread because you're so convinced he deserves it. It's true that it seems to be pretty much a consensus (me included), but aside from that the issue still raises interesting questions;
Why are we persisting with the shared leadership group? Will this continue for as long as Roos is coach?
Is one leader always preferrable to a group, or only when there is a clear standout?
Is there benefit to having a defensive/midfield/foward 'captain'?
Plus it gives us a chance to e-rim the great B.Kirk :)
Love the passion though :thumbsu:
Hooley McBoob
27 May 2008, 20:51
I agree with a leadership group of 6 to 8 or so players, the ones who step up at training and help the young kids settle in and whatnot. This could include guys like MOL, Leo, O'Keefe, Goodes, Hall etc.
I don't like the idea of a captain for forwards/midfield/defence...it's kind of dumb. What if there were no older, standout players in the backline for example? It's like naming a captain just for the hell of it. It's a massive honour in my opinion and it shouldn't be taken lightly.
I think the current idea of having 3 captains came about when Kel and Maxfield retired, and there was no clear standout for captain. Now there is.
As for being captain of our footy club, it should just be Brett Kirk. And Craig Bolton as vice captain k thanks :D
bedford
27 May 2008, 21:24
This is a pointless thread that i am sure has been raised before.Everybody that appreciates this great man would all state the obvious answer.Kirk not being the one and only captain of the Swans is probably the only real bad decision Roos has made in regards to what represents the team from a leadership perspective.It is in no means detrimental to the team because all 3 captains are great leaders but Brett Kirk is in Paul Kellys class as a captain and deserves the honour on his own.Weather religious or not all Swans supporters should get down on their knees and pray to their maker that Kirk can play on for at least another couple of years.That being the case the least Roos could do is hand the reigns over to him by himself and reward him for what has been a truly inspirational career of a sportsman who has given his club and its supporters every ounce of his heart and soul and sent me to work on a Monday morning more often than not with a smile on my face due to his heroic feats.Didnt mean to demean the thread.Thats my rant and now i am off to St Paricks to say a few Hail Marys.:thumbsu:
Great to have the Bloods passion in that post CM,can relate to most of it
cinderella man
28 May 2008, 00:01
Great to have the Bloods passion in that post CM,can relate to most of itWelcome back Bedford from an enforced layoff i presume.Never mind its just good to have a poster back on the board that actually posts with a passion and astuteness that few others on here have.Sadly i dont think you will be joined by probably the best poster on the Swans board in the past,The Natural.If he suffered the same fate as you i think we might have heard the last of him.Was very knowledgable about the game that fellow and didnt bother wasting time on People that dont know the game.Like my goodself,who has been accused of coming out of the woodwork words will be used sparingly unless replying to genuine football people like yourself or Rancid.Just as a matter of interest Bedford would you consider somebody that lives in Port Melbourne and has followed The Bloods for 40 years as one that has come out of the woodwork ? Please forward your reply to Bradmanstand guy if you wouldnt mind.
IMO he should have been made sole captain 4 years ago. I think its really important to have one captain and it could have made you into an even more successful team over the past few years.
Corpuscles
28 May 2008, 14:26
OK I beg to differ. :p
The 3 captains mean:
1. They share any media post game committment... means more focus on playing.. it can be taxing when controversy occurs.
2. Up till recently they had one forward, one mid, one back.... notice they break into groups /coaches and each section has its plan! One can't cover all groups as well
3. Means when one is having an off day (hard to inspire in that condition ask Richie Vandenburg) then one other will be on top an in a position to "show" the way and lift the side
4. Means even out risk of ego and hearing the one bleating voice all the time (ala Nathan Buckley)
5. They each can look forward to their turn to lead out, toss coin, and be the designated spokesman/ leader for the outing. Special privilege
6. The captain has an equal who can say "Kirky you have to lift NOW!"
7. Promotes equality and evenness in team psyche
Wouldn't work for every team makeup or structure!
One of Roosey's best innovations:thumbsu:
The only downside is we all know Kirk appears to be the best leader of the lot and perhaps deserves more recognition.
My 2 cents:)
OK I beg to differ. :p
The 3 captains mean:
1. They share any media post game committment... means more focus on playing.. it can be taxing when controversy occurs.
2. Up till recently they had one forward, one mid, one back.... notice they break into groups /coaches and each section has its plan! One can't cover all groups as well
3. Means when one is having an off day (hard to inspire in that condition ask Richie Vandenburg) then one other will be on top an in a position to "show" the way and lift the side
4. Means even out risk of ego and hearing the one bleating voice all the time (ala Nathan Buckley)
5. They each can look forward to their turn to lead out, toss coin, and be the designated spokesman/ leader for the outing. Special privilege
6. The captain has an equal who can say "Kirky you have to lift NOW!"
7. Promotes equality and evenness in team psyche
Wouldn't work for every team makeup or structure!
One of Roosey's best innovations:thumbsu:
The only downside is we all know Kirk appears to be the best leader of the lot and perhaps deserves more recognition.
My 2 cents:)
Reckon you hit the nail right on the head there Corps.
Our captaincy system has served us well since it's inception and I see no reason to change. When Leo's gone, Goodesy steps in. When (heaven forbid) Kirky goes, there's RyanO or Mal - actually a heap of capable, "inspirational" boys to fill the void.
Hooley McBoob
28 May 2008, 19:09
Interesting article on the Swans captaincy...
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/kirk-joins-hird-voss-in-games-elite/2008/05/26/1211653939463.html
bradmanstandguy
29 May 2008, 21:26
Welcome back Bedford from an enforced layoff i presume.Never mind its just good to have a poster back on the board that actually posts with a passion and astuteness that few others on here have.Sadly i dont think you will be joined by probably the best poster on the Swans board in the past,The Natural.If he suffered the same fate as you i think we might have heard the last of him.Was very knowledgable about the game that fellow and didnt bother wasting time on People that dont know the game.Like my goodself,who has been accused of coming out of the woodwork words will be used sparingly unless replying to genuine football people like yourself or Rancid.Just as a matter of interest Bedford would you consider somebody that lives in Port Melbourne and has followed The Bloods for 40 years as one that has come out of the woodwork ? Please forward your reply to Bradmanstand guy if you wouldnt mind.
Sorry if i upset you cinderella man.But our board was in decline not long ago,and thankfully we have now got more posters than ever before. There are a lot of young posters on our site now,and many have a good knowledge
of the modern game. Everyone who posts on our board gets to have their say
regardless of the merit of the post. The trick is not to get too serious.
Lighten up mate and start posting!