View Full Version : If Burton is out, Gill should come in
fightingdreamer88
1 Jun 2008, 02:55
If we play McGregor (which I think we will), we lose far too much mobility. We are already hurting without a lead-up CHF as it is; to replace a mobile forward like Burton with a lumbering type like K-Mac would be a terrible choice imo.
I know Gill hasn't been in the best of form lately but he's a natural athlete and frankly I'd back him to perform for us every week. He MUST play against the Tigers!!
King Elvis
1 Jun 2008, 03:02
Or bring McGregor in as a back and move Stevens to CHF.
Or move Tippett to CHF.
Or bring Hentschel in at CHF.
Kennyrocks
1 Jun 2008, 03:05
If someone has not earnt their spot in the SANFL then the probably shouldn't play. Something reinforced by the premature inclusion of Sellar in Round 7. Also, I think the thread on our forwardline covers this topic, I wont bother posting my other thoughts on the matter here here as they're in the other thread, was this one really necessary?
McGregor as a defender and Stevens up forward could work though.
fightingdreamer88
1 Jun 2008, 03:05
We need our the Gill, King Elvworth.
Gill should come in regardless of what happens to Burton
Geoffa32
1 Jun 2008, 04:21
he seems to be the natural replacement....given Burtons inaacuracy this week
Vince Van Mackay
1 Jun 2008, 13:13
Or bring McGregor in as a back and move Stevens to CHF.
Or move Tippett to CHF.
Or bring Hentschel in at CHF.
Stevens, Tippet and Hentschel are not CHF.
Gill is the obvious choice.
Yes, and this too.
Gill should come in regardless of what happens to Burton
One of the reasons we made the finals last year was because of Nick Gill being in the side.
turbo182
1 Jun 2008, 13:52
Good to see Nick Gill absolutely off his face wandering down north terrace at 4am in the morning last night.
Probally not the best way to force his way into the side.
Freddy Bassett
1 Jun 2008, 13:56
I think Gill is the obviousCHF in our team. If I was Nick Gill though, Id certainly want to make sure I was 100% fit and ready to be playing AFL... One or two poor showings could be curtains on his career. Id like to see him play a good SANFL league game or two first... I think Jericho:eek: is the bloke Id give a chance to if Burton is out
Carl Spackler
1 Jun 2008, 13:59
One of the reasons we made the finals last year was because of Nick Gill being in the side.
Agree. Screw form, get him in there.
Good to see Nick Gill absolutely off his face wandering down north terrace at 4am in the morning last night.
Probally not the best way to force his way into the side.
That might have been his twin brother, Fish.
Kennyrocks
1 Jun 2008, 15:07
Good to see Nick Gill absolutely off his face wandering down north terrace at 4am in the morning last night.
Probally not the best way to force his way into the side.
Works for some
fightingdreamer88
1 Jun 2008, 15:22
I think Gill is the obviousCHF in our team. If I was Nick Gill though, Id certainly want to make sure I was 100% fit and ready to be playing AFL... One or two poor showings could be curtains on his career. Id like to see him play a good SANFL league game or two first... I think Jericho:eek: is the bloke Id give a chance to if Burton is out
No way in hell Frederick, NO WAY IN HELL!!! Young VVM is right, Gill's inclusion in the side last year was a much bigger factor in our rally toward the finals than most will acknowledge. Put Gill in the side and imo our structure will improve massively.
Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if they went with Jericho or McGregor.
Gill for mine. He has the x-factor as does Burton. Huge motor and never stops trying. Who do Richmond have as a match up?
Wayne's-World
1 Jun 2008, 16:04
Neglect form at your peril .......Gill has none and a suspect body
Mcgregor probably gets the nod
Crowman32
1 Jun 2008, 20:29
I think if Burton is suspended then we should bring in Otten for his first game. Otten is very versatile and can play as a small or a tall. He is very capable of playing acrosss half forward and being a lead up forward. Against Norwood he took 13 marks and kicked 4 goals in which 4 or 5 of those marks were contested. Personally i think the crows will be conservative and pick McGregor but i really hope they go with Otten. Even Dangerfield i would consider as he no game on this week as well and he go do a job accross half forward.
I'm a fan of Gill but I don't think his fitness is up to it at this stage. He is struggling at SANFL level due to his fitness levels not so much touch. I just don't think he is ready yet.
I was thinking Gill should come in ahead of Hentschel too (if BB is suspended) - I dont know what his form is like but he is a competitor and gives 100%
I do like Goodwin at CHF though.
Neglect form at your peril .......Gill has none and a suspect body
Mcgregor probably gets the nod
On the money WW. :thumbsu:
McGregor gave Gill a caning in their recent match up. Gill has no form behind him at all.
Kenny appears to be the logical one if Burton does get done. He will have a crack.
Jericho's some chance, as he's more mobile but unfortunately thinks a con test is 2 words and a form of sneaky exams. :)
Freddy Bassett
1 Jun 2008, 21:58
Later this year, Gill for sure.... And maybe one day it would be lovely to have Sellar demand a game... I love what Nick offers the club and for us to be a chance of giving this year a shake Gill has to be in the 22, no doubt. But he has no form at all and is odds on to pull a muscle. He needs match fitness and form. One or two bad games and you are delisted from the Crows fans on this forum so surely even Nick would want to be at his best when he comes back. As for calling in Otten, Id be very happy, but if Burton is out we need another forward to replace him... Maybe Hentschell! But Jericho IMO will get the nod after his last quarter heroics versus powerhouse Melbourne.. Surely the selectors owe him that...
TheLeftFist8
1 Jun 2008, 21:58
McGregor's form has been down back i believe? Plays nothing like Burton in terms of style. No way we can carry the 3 rucks and McGregor...way too immobile.
Jericho should be a shoe in given Gill and Hentschel are not ready.
Freddy Bassett
1 Jun 2008, 21:59
On the money WW. :thumbsu:
McGregor gave Gill a caning in their recent match up. Gill has no form behind him at all.
Kenny appears to be the logical one if Burton does get done. He will have a crack.
Jericho's some chance, as he's more mobile but unfortunately thinks a con test is 2 words and a form of sneaky exams. :)
Kenny and Kurt in the same forward line though?
Kenny and Kurt in the same forward line though?
Yep. My thoughts there would be for Kenny to stand in the square and take the long bombs.
Tippett has been playing this role lately much to his own detriment. I'd like to see him mix and match his game with more leads
Let Kenny do the hack work with Tippett to move around a lot.
King Elvis
1 Jun 2008, 22:18
Just to clarify my earlier post - I've got a lot of time for Gill, and with form and fitness behind him, he'd be my choice to come in, but at the moment, he has neither.
We need to try something a little different; Tippett has the engine to play CHF, and would be a bloody good experiment, especially if it came off.
Stevens might not be a traditional CHF, but he can play the lead up/mobile role reasonably well.
How's Walker been going lately? Tipp to CHF/Texas to FF? ;)
Sellar is the other obvious one, but if he comes in, it's really to give him another taste.
On the money WW. :thumbsu:
McGregor gave Gill a caning in their recent match up. Gill has no form behind him at all.
Kenny appears to be the logical one if Burton does get done. He will have a crack.
Jericho's some chance, as he's more mobile but unfortunately thinks a con test is 2 words and a form of sneaky exams. :)
That was Trent Hentschel who gave Nick Gill a good touch up 2 weeks ago.
Kenny McGregor was also very good that day but played on Clint Alleway at CHB where as Trent played on the mobile leading Gill at FB.
I have defended Kenny longer and harder than almost anyone. But I still think we need a hit up link man, rather than the (hard contest, marking) monolith that Kenny has become.
Chief Crow
1 Jun 2008, 23:57
Would love to see Otten have a crack. Has the height and mobility to play in most positions on the field. NC will replace Brett (if suspended) for a similar player to keep his structure in place. K mac is not going to fill his roll. Gill would but dont think his form warants it. BRING IN ANDY
King Elvis
2 Jun 2008, 00:21
I have defended Kenny longer and harder than almost anyone. But I still think we need a hit up link man, rather than the (hard contest, marking) monolith that Kenny has become.
I'm a Kenny fan as well, but I agree; for mine, Kenny is either FF or in the backlines, with the view that it shifts someone else to the link CHF role.
Freddy Bassett
2 Jun 2008, 00:44
Yep. My thoughts there would be for Kenny to stand in the square and take the long bombs.
Tippett has been playing this role lately much to his own detriment. I'd like to see him mix and match his game with more leads
Let Kenny do the hack work with Tippett to move around a lot.
Good call. I think we need to try something a bit different up forward as Kurt has been struggling a tad. Maybe Kenny playing deep in the forward line is a decent option. If this is the case, I reckon Griffin may be in a tad of trouble which would be a shame
Big Gazoongas
2 Jun 2008, 00:53
Would love to see Otten have a crack. Has the height and mobility to play in most positions on the field. NC will replace Brett (if suspended) for a similar player to keep his structure in place. K mac is not going to fill his roll. Gill would but dont think his form warants it. BRING IN ANDY
I'm with you Chief Crow, like for like and Andy is the man :thumbsu::thumbsu: . Can't see Kenny coming in as we will be very top heavy.
And I,m sorry but Jericho is not the answer. Many people have jumped on his bang wagon when he returned to the field from the Brogan hit, which was courageous, but this does not change anything in terms of skill and football ability. Jericho has had his chances, it is time for Andy to have his.
In: Jehrico, McGregor
Out: Burton, McKay
We need to win this game badly, red uniforms or not. We MUST win against Richmond with that massive game against Hawthorn coming up in 2 weeks time, a game which could define our season. Can't wait for it. A loss to the Tigers and we could be in some trouble for a top 4 spot after 22.
I'm a fan of Gill but I don't think his fitness is up to it at this stage. He is struggling at SANFL level due to his fitness levels not so much touch. I just don't think he is ready yet.
I'm actually quite worried that Gill will be delisted if he dosen't get many chances this year.
Brett_Burton_#24
2 Jun 2008, 09:30
It's a two horse race for me between Jericho and Gill but seeing that if someone usually goes out of the side Jericho is immediately put into his place and i think the same will happen for the match against the Tigers, that and Neil Craig seems to love the bloke :p
I'm with you Chief Crow, like for like and Andy is the man :thumbsu::thumbsu: . Can't see Kenny coming in as we will be very top heavy.
And I,m sorry but Jericho is not the answer. Many people have jumped on his bang wagon when he returned to the field from the Brogan hit, which was courageous, but this does not change anything in terms of skill and football ability. Jericho has had his chances, it is time for Andy to have his.
I agree that Jericho isn't the answer to anything. However, if Burton gets rubbed out by the MRP then I can pretty much guarantee that Jericho will be the one to take his place.
It was encouraging to see Otten listed amongst the Crows' emergency listed players for Friday night, following yet another appearance in South's best players list the week before. However, the AFC haven't shown a lot of indications that they actually intend to give him a game yet this year (2009 may be his year, as 2008 has been for Mackay & Tippett).
Jericho has replaced Burton in the past and I would expect him to do so again in the future.
I'm actually quite worried that Gill will be delisted if he dosen't get many chances this year.
Highly likely IMHO. It's not that he's not getting any chances though - if/when he starts to show form & fitness then I'm sure the opportunities will come. Gill's problem is his body - it's just too frail for AFL football. He missed the early part of the season with a series of soft tissue injuries (of which he has a lengthy history) and hasn't shown a lot of form/fitness in the SANFL since returning to action. Give him time though and I'm sure the magic will return.
The AFC persevered with Bode being perpetually injured, but with an aging group of senior players (6 players currently aged 30+) Gill won't survive if he can't keep himself on the paddock regularly. The AFC were obviously concerned about his history of injuries, which is almost certainly the reason why he was only given a 1-year contract at the end of 2007. Sadly, he has done nothing in 2009 to suggest that their concerns were ill-founded.
I love Gill as a player. His arrival at the end of 2007 was the highlight of the year for me. However, I love the club more and Gill's body is just too injury prone to justify a continued position on the list.
Just as an aside, Gill was originally drafted to provide coverage for Hentschel who was going to be out for 18 months with that horrific knee injury. Hentschel is now back playing in the SANFL, arguably performing better than Gill. With the young forwards developing nicely - Tippett is established now, Sellar & Walker will be looking to play in 2009, is there any further need for Gill on our list?
I suspect that one of Gill & KMac will survive, but not both. KMac is positively statuesque in his immobility, Gill is injury prone but exciting when fit. KMac is contracted for 2009, Gill is not. It's going to be a tough call.
I , is there any further need for Gill on our list?
Great posts in all respects but I would say that Gill gives us unpredicitability in the forward line which may be needed in 2010 once Burton has retired. Agree with you that he must get his body right this year though to be a realistic option for us in this regard as we can't have dead weight on the list with the new teams coming in and this years draft being vital.
I think you are spot on with everything you have said there Vader.
johnnypanther
2 Jun 2008, 11:34
Jericho to come in for Burton
and Vader has summarized the Gill/McGregor situation very succinctly
In – Jericho, Otten, Gill
Out – Burton (suspended), MacKay, Goodwin (cheekbone – only a suspicion)
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FF – Tippett ~ Jericho ~ McLeod
HF – Porplyzia ~ Stevens ~ Douglas
C – Knights ~ Thompson ~ Reilly
HB – van Berlo ~ Bock ~ Doughty
FB - Bassett ~ Rutten ~ Johncock
Ruck - Maric ~ Goodwin ~ Shirley
Interchange – Griffin ~ Otten ~ Vince ~ Edwards
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The last few weeks Andrew McLeod form has been down and has struggled to break a very tight tag placed upon him; I see Terry Wallace doing the same thing this week so Neil Craig should look at a way of counter strategizing this move by playing him as a leading forward. It would not surprise me if Wallace tried to implement the same strategy as Essendon and play Jake King or Jordan McMahon on him across the Richmond half forward line so why not start him as a leading forward line player as a way of breaking the tag. Have him become a leading forward with the hope he can kick 2 or 3 early goals and help remove the goal kicking yipes we have at the moment.
Judging from past incidents this season Brett Burton may have a 2 or 3 week holidays for his hit on Slattery, if he is found guild and suspended Luke Jericho is the likely replacement as he can play as a leading forward as well as move out to a half forward or wing. I also have some suspicion that Simon Goodwin may miss with a fractured cheekbone after being hit on a front on collision by Mark McVeigh and if this is the case I would then look at bring in the under done Nick Gill or Trent Hentschel to play at CHF. I don’t think it would serve any purpose to bring in the mobility challenged Kenny McGregor or the rookie James Sellar as this is a must win game.
Andy Otten deserves a go and David MacKay had a shocker last week so that suggests to me a change is needed. MacKay has only played 10 games and should be dropped after that performance as most first year players are.
I love Gill as a player. His arrival at the end of 2007 was the highlight of the year for me. However, I love the club more and Gill's body is just too injury prone to justify a continued position on the list.
Just as an aside, Gill was originally drafted to provide coverage for Hentschel who was going to be out for 18 months with that horrific knee injury. Hentschel is now back playing in the SANFL, arguably performing better than Gill. With the young forwards developing nicely - Tippett is established now, Sellar & Walker will be looking to play in 2009, is there any further need for Gill on our list?
I suspect that one of Gill & KMac will survive, but not both. KMac is positively statuesque in his immobility, Gill is injury prone but exciting when fit. KMac is contracted for 2009, Gill is not. It's going to be a tough call.
In my list summary for the 2009 season I found a place for Nick Gill (but not Kenny McGregor) because I still have major doubts over James Sellar, Taylor Walker and Trent Hentschel being ready to hold down a forward le sport for the 2009 season.
I honestly don’t believe Trent Hentschel will be able to develop his flexibility, agility or lateral movement in his knee to allow him to become a genuine forward option again. Saying that I am not writing him off as an AFL player because he will be able to play in the back half with no troubles as he is not the decision maker on where he wants to run and lead. He will be able to play as a very good defender or half back because he can run in straight lines or leave his player by zoning off to help out. I think he will find it difficult to regain that strength in his knees to leading up and then pivoting one way or the other to allow him to become a mobile forward. The jury is still out on how his knee will stand up to the pressures of being a forward, sure he can do it in the reserves but that’s a long way below AFL football.
Jimmy Sellar and Taylor Walker will become good players one day and will replace Nick Gill but not sure if they will be ready by 2009.
So to me – Nick Gill stays as insurance or a player we rely upon if his body can stand up over a pre season. Maybe he should be given a contract if he can stay fit until the begging of the trial games.
Capitalist
2 Jun 2008, 15:59
Will Moran make it past this year? You have to cut three players
Biglands is 1 if Basset and Edwards go too then its easy, but I don’t think its to far out the realm of possibility Or is it ?
Btw – I’m not bagging the guy, I haven’t seen him play outside the NAB cup but I suppose not playing is as bad as playing poorly these days.
Will Moran make it past this year? You have to cut three players
Biglands is 1 if Basset and Edwards go too then its easy, but I don’t think its to far out the realm of possibility Or is it ?
Btw – I’m not bagging the guy, I haven’t seen him play outside the NAB cup but I suppose not playing is as bad as playing poorly these days.
I think its easy to rate players on the injury list higher than they really are. In my opinion Moran will be a depth player at best but I would expect him to have another year. I'd suspect the three you mentioned will retire plus Campbell would be in doubt. I am a fan of his but he is playing really good football stil can't break into the side so i hate to say it but he must be doubtful.
Offered 2 week and accepted it
Source – 5AA
I dont believe all this talk about Edwards retiring. He is and always will be an underrated player, his only downfall is that he has been extremely consistent over the course of his career so that now he has had one or two quiet games and they stick out like a sore thumb. Definitely wont retire this year.
Jericho or Hentschel will come in this week for mine.
King Elvis
2 Jun 2008, 17:54
I dont believe all this talk about Edwards retiring. He is and always will be an underrated player, his only downfall is that he has been extremely consistent over the course of his career so that now he has had one or two quiet games and they stick out like a sore thumb. Definitely wont retire this year.
Jericho or Hentschel will come in this week for mine.
We've got;
Biglands - gone.
Jericho - probably gone.
Bassett - possibly gone.
Shirley - talk that he's thinking of hanging them up by choice.
In my opinion, the first two will definitely be gone, so we only need one other forced delistment.
Edwards next year should be used off of the bench. As good as our kids are, they're still only kids - we still need experienced players with strong, hard bodies.
We've got;
Biglands - gone.
Jericho - probably gone.
Bassett - possibly gone.
Shirley - talk that he's thinking of hanging them up by choice.
In my opinion, the first two will definitely be gone, so we only need one other forced delistment.
Edwards next year should be used off of the bench. As good as our kids are, they're still only kids - we still need experienced players with strong, hard bodies.
We'll be looking at more than just the minimum delistings this year, for the reasons I've stated elsewhere.
My guess is 5-6 draftees (probably 5), plus any rookie upgrades. So, probably 6-7 retirements/delistings/trades.
MacKay has only played 10 games and should be dropped after that performance as most first year players are.
Agreed. He needs a few weeks back in the SANFL just to refresh. Would love to see Dangerfield or Otten play but I don't know how likely that would be.
never thought I'd say this but Jericho should come in for Burton.
McGregor would be a step backwards....and Gill and Trent aren't ready yet.
In – Jericho, Otten, Gill
Out – Burton (suspended), MacKay, Goodwin (cheekbone – only a suspicion)
------------------------------------------
FF – Tippett ~ Jericho ~ McLeod
HF – Porplyzia ~ Stevens ~ Douglas
C – Knights ~ Thompson ~ Reilly
HB – van Berlo ~ Bock ~ Doughty
FB - Bassett ~ Rutten ~ Johncock
Ruck - Maric ~ Goodwin ~ Shirley
Interchange – Griffin ~ Otten ~ Vince ~ Edwards
-----------------------------------------------------
The last few weeks Andrew McLeod form has been down and has struggled to break a very tight tag placed upon him; I see Terry Wallace doing the same thing this week so Neil Craig should look at a way of counter strategizing this move by playing him as a leading forward. It would not surprise me if Wallace tried to implement the same strategy as Essendon and play Jake King or Jordan McMahon on him across the Richmond half forward line so why not start him as a leading forward line player as a way of breaking the tag. Have him become a leading forward with the hope he can kick 2 or 3 early goals and help remove the goal kicking yipes we have at the moment.
Judging from past incidents this season Brett Burton may have a 2 or 3 week holidays for his hit on Slattery, if he is found guild and suspended Luke Jericho is the likely replacement as he can play as a leading forward as well as move out to a half forward or wing. I also have some suspicion that Simon Goodwin may miss with a fractured cheekbone after being hit on a front on collision by Mark McVeigh and if this is the case I would then look at bring in the under done Nick Gill or Trent Hentschel to play at CHF. I don’t think it would serve any purpose to bring in the mobility challenged Kenny McGregor or the rookie James Sellar as this is a must win game.
Andy Otten deserves a go and David MacKay had a shocker last week so that suggests to me a change is needed. MacKay has only played 10 games and should be dropped after that performance as most first year players are.
MacKay doesn't deserve to be dropped. He has rarely made a mistake this year and everyone was under pressure on Friday night
Lets Beyblade
2 Jun 2008, 22:54
Yeah not too sure about dropping McKay however I would love to see Otten get a game. His form in the SANFL really is derserving of a run. This week against Richmond would be a perfect introduction to AFL football:thumbsu:
Triggy said on ch 7 lastnight that trent has a better chance of coming back than gill
Triggy said on ch 7 lastnight that trent has a better chance of coming back than gill
Which says to me that neither will be selected.
Which says to me that neither will be selected.
yea maybe he also threw kenny's name in the mix
King Elvis
3 Jun 2008, 21:08
If Bock is playing in Richardson, on a wing, then does Stevens move to CHB?
RoosterLad
3 Jun 2008, 21:10
Gill is far from ready for AFL footy, he doesn't even look ready for SANFL footy at the moment.
Gill is far from ready for AFL footy, he doesn't even look ready for SANFL footy at the moment.
He couldn't possibly be fit enough for AFL at this stage IMO.
Hentschel would be a risk as well. He needs at least 2 to 3 more games to condition him IMO.
The safe 2 because they are fit are Jericho and Mcgregor but each of these have their faults as well.
If Richmond are playing a small forward line Stevens might go up forward with another HB/mid-fielder type brought in eg Campbell.
Jericho is the likely one though. A poor man's Burton.
Vince Van Mackay
3 Jun 2008, 21:24
He couldn't possibly be fit enough for AFL at this stage IMO.
Hentschel would be a risk as well. He needs at least 2 to 3 more games to condition him IMO.
The safe 2 because they are fit are Jericho and Mcgregor but each of these have their faults as well.
If Richmond are playing a small forward line Stevens might go up forward with another HB/mid-fielder type brought in eg Campbell.
Jericho is the likely one though. A poor man's Burton.
If Jericho was going to dominate a game, it would be this one.
Jericho is the likely one though. A poor man's Burton.
Gold!
Freddy Bassett
4 Jun 2008, 12:44
I will bet my house on it Jericho comes in this week. If he doesnt it will be Kenny.. Gill and Hentschell will play SANFL this week... Its a no brainer...
whattagun07
4 Jun 2008, 16:03
I really don't think McGregor should/will come in for Burton, because we will be too top heavy. We need to replace him with a Jericho or Otten type to cover his mobility. However if Griffin were to be dropped as well, i can see Kenny getting the nod. Having said that, i hope Griff stays in the side, as i think he could do very well this week.
I think that Jericho should play
Kane McGoodwin
4 Jun 2008, 23:38
never thought I'd say this but Jericho should come in for Burton.
McGregor would be a step backwards....and Gill and Trent aren't ready yet.
Agree that Gill & Trent are underdone & not worth risking & McGregor leaves us too top heavy.
Our Birdmanless forward line looks vulnerable this week & may need Goodwin to spend more time up there (hopefully Radar can spend more time in the middle with some more match fitness).
I would consider bringing in Jericho & Otten for Burton & Bassett.
Massie would be handy. Who picks up Nathan Brown?
Carl Spackler
5 Jun 2008, 00:13
MacKay doesn't deserve to be dropped. He has rarely made a mistake this year and everyone was under pressure on Friday night
Agree with this.
Mackay 2008 similar to van Berlo 2005
VB didn't have a massive impact that first year but we are seeing the benefits down the line.
johnnypanther
5 Jun 2008, 13:03
As much as i like Gill, it appears that neither he nor Hentschell are quite match ready yet. McGregor would make us way too top heavy.
Therefore its Jericho for Burton IMO - and Jericho probably actually deserves his spot. At least he can kick straight.
I doubt that there will be any other unforced changes, however, i do believe that we need some more pace in the side and my own personal opinion is that we are carrying 1 bigger bloke too many in the side - eg Stevens or Bassett, or one of the 3 rucks - (but i wouldnt drop Tippett) and Stevens has been playing well enough, Bassett has been down a bit and its a very difficult decision to drop a long standing well performed senior player such as him.
Nevertheless, if it was me choosing the side Jacky (or Dangerfield) would come in at the expense of one of Bassett,Stevens,Griffin,Maric (and to arouse the ire of his fans may i even suggest Shirley :D)
cmndstab
5 Jun 2008, 13:10
Otten would be another potential choice, johnnypanther.
James_37
5 Jun 2008, 15:37
As much as i like Gill, it appears that neither he nor Hentschell are quite match ready yet. McGregor would make us way too top heavy.
Therefore its Jericho for Burton IMO - and Jericho probably actually deserves his spot. At least he can kick straight.
I doubt that there will be any other unforced changes, however, i do believe that we need some more pace in the side and my own personal opinion is that we are carrying 1 bigger bloke too many in the side - eg Stevens or Bassett, or one of the 3 rucks - (but i wouldnt drop Tippett) and Stevens has been playing well enough, Bassett has been down a bit and its a very difficult decision to drop a long standing well performed senior player such as him.
Nevertheless, if it was me choosing the side Jacky (or Dangerfield) would come in at the expense of one of Bassett,Stevens,Griffin,Maric (and to arouse the ire of his fans may i even suggest Shirley :D)
I don't think this is the problem so much as where their abilities lie. We have 4 tall defenders in effect in Rutten, Bock, Stevens and Basset, which in comparison to the rest of the ground where we have 2 ruckman and a ruckman forward. Unfortunately our 2 best tall defenders would probably be the 2 most likely to succeed up forward, but you just don't want to move Rutten or Bock. Unfortunately all 4 of these tall defenders are essentially undroppable and our forward line has probably gone a lot shorter because of this, with shorts pretending to be tall.