View Full Version : Players 'beating' Buddy
philhawk
2 Jun 2008, 20:46
Is it just me, or does it seem like alot of players are deemed to have 'beaten' Buddy by their supporters, despite the fact that Buddy kicks 4+ goals on them?
Take for example the Semi's last year. Sure, Gibson did well on Buddy, but Buddy still kicked 3.3 - yet people still deem that he was beaten?
Take two weekends ago. Buddy kicks 4 on young Colin Garland, yet he's been soundly beaten by the kid.
Best of the lot was last weekend. Buddy kicks 5, yet some Bulldogs fans believe that Williams had the better of him.
How many goals does Buddy need to kick on an opponent to have beaten them? :o
probably about 10, that means he's never beaten anyone before. he must be crap.
TBoyleSuperstar
2 Jun 2008, 20:51
I've noticed this Philhawk, and wondered the same thing. To be honest, I'm happy for Buddy to get killed every week as long as he keeps kicking 3-5 a game. Maybe it is because they are young and were expected to get towelled up, maybe it is because the media have over-rated Buddy slightly, or maybe it's just ignorance. Either way, happy for him to continually being beaten and kicking goals anyway.
Rocco Jones
2 Jun 2008, 20:59
I think most Bulldogs fans would admit that Buddy beat Williams but with any great player it's primarily about damage limitation. It's a bit like a tagger 'beating' a gun midfielder despite having less disposals (efficiency and overall).
Buddy kicked 5 but 2 of them were gifts from Williams' team mates and his other chances were from long range. I'll cop that from a player who was meant to be playing VFL two rounds ago up against the most dangerous player in the league.
Of course there are people who think Buddy has been beaten if he kicks less than 6 or 7 but these people are stupid.
Buddy Vision
2 Jun 2008, 21:02
It's because everyone has Buddy Vision
Flamin Joe
2 Jun 2008, 21:04
You have to lift the bar with Buddy:
1-6 He got beaten
7-12 Average game
13-19 Good game
20-24 Awesome game
25+ Now were getting into Brownlow votes territory
Thaihawk
2 Jun 2008, 23:03
Is it just me, or does it seem like alot of players are deemed to have 'beaten' Buddy by their supporters, despite the fact that Buddy kicks 4+ goals on them?
Take for example the Semi's last year. Sure, Gibson did well on Buddy, but Buddy still kicked 3.3 - yet people still deem that he was beaten?
Take two weekends ago. Buddy kicks 4 on young Colin Garland, yet he's been soundly beaten by the kid.
Best of the lot was last weekend. Buddy kicks 5, yet some Bulldogs fans believe that Williams had the better of him.
How many goals does Buddy need to kick on an opponent to have beaten them? :o
How often does he have only one opponent. Most times he has two or three. He hasn't been beaten so far this year. Mind you I haven't seen the Dogs game, but I bet Williams had plenty of support.
#6 Mark Williams
3 Jun 2008, 00:50
They're just jealous and spiteful because we have the equal best (with Ablett) and the most exciting player, in Buddy Franklin. As a result they want to draw some excitement to their own club, so they decide to leech of Buddy's hype by claiming that T.Williams is a superstar and he toweled up Buddy, just because he made a few good contests with Buddy Franklin. Tom Williams' has been injury prone all year and hasn't played any where near enough games ATM to say that he is going to be the next Buddy, Ablett or Scarlett.
This is similar to Essendon Supporters and Paddy Ryder, who hasn't even matched up on Buddy yet! Just because of some physical stature similarities and some lame draft camp statistics ie. 'vertical jump' and 'beep test', they prematurely think that he is going to be able stop and compete with Buddy. Seriously make a list of how many players that had extraordinary draft camp aerobic capacity etc. but became nobodies come AFL level.
It doesn't matter if you have the draft camp statistics of an olympic athlete, but if you don't have raw footy skills, smarts and talent your not going to be able to stop anyone, especially not Buddy. So let T.Williams on-field performances do the talking, rather than assumptions and subjective forecasting of what HE could or SHOULD be.
Stop hyping up players, just for the sake of showing off muppets, leave that to the media!
blackhead&boil
3 Jun 2008, 00:55
How often does he have only one opponent. Most times he has two or three. He hasn't been beaten so far this year. Mind you I haven't seen the Dogs game, but I bet Williams had plenty of support.
that's true. buddy is so rubbish that sometimes he is beaten by as many as three opponents at a time!
so many players that are better than him. should be dropped... :thumbsd:
#6 Mark Williams
3 Jun 2008, 00:58
I think most Bulldogs fans would admit that Buddy beat Williams but with any great player it's primarily about damage limitation. It's a bit like a tagger 'beating' a gun midfielder despite having less disposals (efficiency and overall).
Buddy kicked 5 but 2 of them were gifts from Williams' team mates and his other chances were from long range. I'll cop that from a player who was meant to be playing VFL two rounds ago up against the most dangerous player in the league.
Of course there are people who think Buddy has been beaten if he kicks less than 6 or 7 but these people are stupid.I also think a lot of Bulldogs fans aren't remembering that as a result of Buddys' forward line pressure and their players running of their mans Buddy was able to turnover the ball and kick goals. These should be recognised equally whether they are from a set shot 50m out or from running into an open goal square.
lancaster
3 Jun 2008, 01:42
nice cutting and pasting mate.
don't know where you're coming from bagging hahn, you clearly don't like him obviously judging from previous posts you've made about him.
I know who I'd rather have in my side.
#6 Mark Williams
3 Jun 2008, 01:44
Well that makes two of us.
#6 Mark Williams
3 Jun 2008, 02:01
Thanks for the cheapshot about grammar, I'm sorry I didn't right a structured essay for you about why I like Mark Williams, I don't have that much time on my hands. Plus you bolded not highlighted if you really want to get that specific.
If he's always going to be your favourite player regardless (that's fine) you are never going to be able to argue objectively about him. He did nothing on the weekend. We don't just monitor a player based on one games performance, we monitor them based on a seasons performance and based on what he's already achieved he has proven a lot more than many of the other players in the comp.
hawker11
3 Jun 2008, 08:42
If 5 goals is getting 'beaten', may Buddy be 'beaten' every week ;)
Stard Picket
3 Jun 2008, 08:57
I thought Buddy's 5 on the weekend was his best effort for the year because he was damaging from limited opportunities, only 35 inside 50's on the weekend
AC for PM
3 Jun 2008, 09:30
Williams actually got votes on the weekend in one of the media awards for his job on Buddy.....
Williams actually got votes on the weekend in one of the media awards for his job on Buddy.....
:eek: If Reiwoldt kicks 6 on him this weekend maybe I'll throw a few bucks on him for the Brownlow?
If the opposition do a 'good' job on Buddy (5 goals) every week, he kicks 100 goals and wins the Coleman medal.
If the opposition 'beat' Buddy (3 goals), he finishes the H&A season with 66 goals, more than the leading goalkicker of most clubs.
It's a joke. No other forward gets treated like that. The notion that Franklin is inconsistent is what really gets me. He's the most consistent forward in the comp. Jon Brown doesn't do it every week, nor does Fev. Buddy does. Riewoldt and Pav are pretenders who don't kick goals, especially the former.
Hodgepodge
3 Jun 2008, 21:00
Kris Massie was the worst . . . in a game in 2007 where we got smashed and kicked only four goals for the game in torrential rain, Massie was judged to have beaten Buddy by restricting him to one goal. Nobody recognized the fact that Buddy had 1 goal games a few times that season due to inconsistency or that there was no delivery to the forward line. Anyway, come Elimination Final, Buddy kicked 7 goals on Massie, including the matchwinner. Similar story when we played the Kangaroos . . . Josh Gibson played on Buddy . . . We played shocking, was held to 3.3 . . . then in Round 3 2008 . . . Lance kicked 5.4 on him, again, including the matchwinner. But again, Gibson goes on Before the Game and SamLane asks him what his secret to beating Buddy is.
Another thing . . . against the Bulldogs . . .he didn't get two cheap goals, one was a handball receive, but remember he also gave one away, the second goal was an intercept, and Buddy does kick about 40% of his goals on the run, so don't tell me those two goals don't count.
Buddy also did well in the one on one marking situations, an area where he is not all that strong yet, he's not a renowned great overhead mark, yet he managed to do the job on Williams.
And he also had a run in the midfield to help out cos we sucked in the midfield. And we had limited inside 50s . . . our lowest for the season.
Carn Hawkas
3 Jun 2008, 21:28
If Buddy was to "beat" his opponents every week, he would end up with about 300 goals for the year.
Another thing . . . against the Bulldogs . . .he didn't get two cheap goals, one was a handball receive, but remember he also gave one away, the second goal was an intercept, and Buddy does kick about 40% of his goals on the run, so don't tell me those two goals don't count.
Possibly the thing that shits me most of all. If Alan Didak gets 'cheap goals' in general play, you don't excuse his opponent. That's what makes Buddy a gun. He kicks goals from leading marks. He kicks goals from contested marks. He kicks goals from general play. And he kicks goals on the run. If you're allowing him to be running free in general play and he ends up with opportunistic goals, you haven't done a good job.
The whole point about Buddy being an impossible matchup is that the blokes who can compete one on one cannot compete on the deck or on the lead. And the blokes who are quick enough are not strong enough. Just because you did ok one-on-one (while the delivery was shite) doesn't mean you won where he ends up with 5 through other means.
The positive thing is that, like Mackie, coaches buy the press about their players beating Buddy. And they try it again...