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I as Hawthorn Supporter I Expect more of Mark Williams, whats wrong with him? where do you guys think he stands at Hawthorn after his gesture? would he be trade bait? is he in our best 22?
I've never seen Williams do 1 or 2.
1. Apply consistent pressure in the forward line. When was the last time you saw Williams run down a player. He is very lazy!
2. Create a contest, crum and then scores. I barely remember Williams scoring a crumming goal.
3. Match winners? Can he raise the momentum of the team? can he win you games?
His performace gainst the doggies was real bad, he couldn't get a get kick and when he did he couldn't make the distance from 30 metres out. We can't always relly on Rhoughie and Franklin the other forwards need to step up especially when we play against quality teams like the doggies.
philhawk
3 Jun 2008, 13:33
He's a bit like Fev.
Mercurial some days, but comes across as lazy on other days.
Yep he was terrible against the dogs, please remember all the talk from people on hear and appartently 'in the know' about how willo may never play again because of his knee.
He's played 7 games this year and kicked 16? goals i think, he probably should have a couple more but if he kept that average up over the year its a good 40 goals.
As for his crumbing, go watch the collingwood game from this year again, kicks one of the best crumbing goals you'll ever see.
He won us the melbourne game a couple of weeks ago also.
I think he is definately in our best team, but i wont deny he could be better and maybe if he can work on his defensive side, him and cyril could cause mayhem for rebounding defenders
macdaddio
3 Jun 2008, 13:44
Yep he was terrible against the dogs, please remember all the talk from people on hear and appartently 'in the know' about how willo may never play again because of his knee.
He's played 7 games this year and kicked 16? goals i think, he probably should have a couple more but if he kept that average up over the year its a good 40 goals.
As for his crumbing, go watch the collingwood game from this year again, kicks one of the best crumbing goals you'll ever see.
He won us the melbourne game a couple of weeks ago also.
I think he is definately in our best team, but i wont deny he could be better and maybe if he can work on his defensive side, him and cyril could cause mayhem for rebounding defenders
what you said........:thumbsu:
what you said........:thumbsu:
thanks boss
Willo still has a sh_t load to offer this team, just hope he can bounce back this week, along with a few other blokes too
Yep he was terrible against the dogs, please remember all the talk from people on hear and appartently 'in the know' about how willo may never play again because of his knee.
He's played 7 games this year and kicked 16? goals i think, he probably should have a couple more but if he kept that average up over the year its a good 40 goals.
As for his crumbing, go watch the collingwood game from this year again, kicks one of the best crumbing goals you'll ever see.
He won us the melbourne game a couple of weeks ago also.
I think he is definately in our best team, but i wont deny he could be better and maybe if he can work on his defensive side, him and cyril could cause mayhem for rebounding defenders
How about regarding his reputation with Clarko, Williams looks a bit flat. It look like he didnt wanna against the doggie. Rumours were going around on SEN sports that Williams is not happy and wants out from hawthorn.
Yep he was terrible against the dogs, please remember all the talk from people on hear and appartently 'in the know' about how willo may never play again because of his knee.
He's played 7 games this year and kicked 16? goals i think, he probably should have a couple more but if he kept that average up over the year its a good 40 goals.
As for his crumbing, go watch the collingwood game from this year again, kicks one of the best crumbing goals you'll ever see.
He won us the melbourne game a couple of weeks ago also.
I think he is definately in our best team, but i wont deny he could be better and maybe if he can work on his defensive side, him and cyril could cause mayhem for rebounding defenders
7 games, 16 goals, alot better then the 1 goal a game Dixon was chipping in last season. People need to remember the likes of Williams and Boyle do not get alot of football directed at them. I would be happy for a goal a game of both of these guys. Budd and Rough are our two targets, we got too Buddy atleast 13 times a game, he averages something like 9 shots a game. Roughie would atleast get 7 or 8 going his way. Teams thrive on multiple options these days, look at the bulldogs, they smashed us because they had multiple options. We should cherrish the goal out put from Willow.
I definatly think he needs to chase more, but right now his goal out put is fine and I am definatly happy with it.
How about regarding his reputation with Clarko, Williams looks a bit flat. It look like he didnt wanna against the doggie. Rumours were going around on SEN sports that Williams is not happy and wants out from hawthorn.
Well you cant deny that clarko seemed real unhappy after the port game, willo may well be a bit flat, he has had a few things going on in his family life too, maybe this could have got to him a bit.
I guess only willo knows if he wants to leave hawthorn, i sincerely hope that he doesn't!
macdaddio
3 Jun 2008, 14:12
How about regarding his reputation with Clarko, Williams looks a bit flat. It look like he didnt wanna against the doggie. Rumours were going around on SEN sports that Williams is not happy and wants out from hawthorn.
i heard that too, but damien hardwick said he doesnt know were those rumours started, it was suppose to be a few years ago and hardwick said as far as he knows willo loves hathorn........
i heard that too, but damien hardwick said he doesnt know were those rumours started, it was suppose to be a few years ago and hardwick said as far as he knows willo loves hathorn........
Well thats great, we all know wat Williams is capable of. In the past his kicked more than 60 goals and kick 9 against Melbourne. His a good player with alot of quality. But its annoying wen you see a player his so good play so crap, especially wen the team needed him to stand up. Could Williams become a star? I dont think so, maybe you guys are right 2 goals is enuff. But u have to remember wen can't just relly on Franklin and Rhoughie to kick 10 goals each week. We need a small forward to contribute and Williams is known for having a good kick with accuracy.:thumbsu:
BTW did you question Williams game winning ability? Didnt he sink the winner against Essendon in the past? He was our only forward in the past, he can definatly win you games. He is the 2nd bloke I want kicking the winning goal after Buddy.
Hodgepodge
3 Jun 2008, 15:42
He certainly started the year well, was woeful last week though.
Trade Bait, eh, no!
After 12 months off, he has averaged 2+ goals a game since his return in round 4. 16 in seven equals 50 in 22. Pretty happy with that.
He isn't a crumber type player (hence we got Rioli), and never will be. He is your traditional lead up player.
Yes, totally agree he had a shocker on Saturday, and would love some more forward pressure, but is he in our best 22, bloody oath he is!
lickmerocks
3 Jun 2008, 17:21
Willow has just come back from knee reco.
he is playing a different position and now has to work out how to score goals form a graveyard position from Half Forward Flank.
He is averaging 2 goals per game...Great result from a flank compared to anyone else.
He was the difference a week ago against Melbourne with his classy finishing with limited opps.
Willow has never been a hard chaser or tackler. He is the X factor in our forward line and cruises along. Thats the way Willow plays.
Not sure why this has come up.
The only thing different about Willow is that he no longer is our sole focus and for that we should be greatful.
Lets cut him some slack because i believe he will kick 4 against the Bombers and this thread will be forgotten.
Not sure how much attention he would attract. From an opposition supporters perspective you'd get more for Boyle who doesn't look like getting many opportunities in your side at the moment. Plus if he were to be traded you'd still have Dowler and Thorp waiting in the wings
hawks_legends
3 Jun 2008, 17:37
Mark Williams will stay with the Hawks, get over it.
Leather Poisoning
3 Jun 2008, 17:54
2 things I want from Willo:
1. Fewer Speccy efforts. It was great against Brissy when you were 1 out with a midge, but in a pack that includes Franklin's 3 minders it's not a sustainable form of scoring.
2. More tackles. Don't like it that the opposition see him as a soft target for rebounding half-backs.
Things I love from Willo:
Deadly accurate.
Keeps the opposition backline guessing
Made Choco cry
Needs a GOOD backman to stop him.
Kicks goals when they MATTER.
Mark Williams will stay with the Hawks, get over it.
U dont have to be a smart ass about it. The main purpose of a thread is to have a discussion!!:mad:
Things I love from Willo:
Deadly accurate.
Keeps the opposition backline guessing
Made Choco cry
Needs a GOOD backman to stop him.
Kicks goals when they MATTER.
That in itself is reason enough to keep him :cool:
Young Gun #6
3 Jun 2008, 18:00
He will stay at the Hawks. I think a more worth while trade bait is Tim Boyle, surely clubs are interested, I noticed on the Port Adelaide board some time back they said they were interested in him.
Just think we have an almost unstoppable team, is there anything we actually need to improve on other than maybe one more key tall defender.
2 things I want from Willo:
1. Fewer Speccy efforts. It was great against Brissy when you were 1 out with a midge, but in a pack that includes Franklin's 3 minders it's not a sustainable form of scoring.
2. More tackles. Don't like it that the opposition see him as a soft target for rebounding half-backs.
Things I love from Willo:
Deadly accurate.
Keeps the opposition backline guessing
Made Choco cry
Needs a GOOD backman to stop him.
Kicks goals when they MATTER.
Maybe Clako should move him up the ground for a bit just to get his confidence up when his having a shocker. I realised against the doggies we had two turn overs in our backline, were both occasions the kick went to Williams and he was out marked or his reaction was 2 slow. Did anyone notice that?
Young Gun #6
3 Jun 2008, 18:02
He's a bit like Fev.
Mercurial some days, but comes across as lazy on other days.
Lol. One lazy thing was pissing on the ground in a VFL match.
:D :D :D
He will stay at the Hawks. I think a more worth while trade bait is Tim Boyle, surely clubs are interested, I noticed on the Port Adelaide board some time back they said they were interested in him.
Just think we have an almost unstoppable team, is there anything we actually need to improve on other than maybe one more key tall defender.
Need to improve in defence and maybe we need another a quality outside midfielder. All our quality midfielders are inside mids like lewis, Hodge, Mitchel and Sewel. We need anther like Bateman who could break the lines. Who is able lay tackles and take on players not like youngy.
crawf_legend
3 Jun 2008, 18:50
I, as a Hawthorn supporter, will be angry if we trade Willo! He isnt a piece of bait, the media is trying to get to him and everyone associated with Hawthorn!
Boyler_Room
3 Jun 2008, 19:11
If he can't make it at HFC then it is down to our player management. He has a lot of upsides, we should work with those and around his temperament to get the most out of the player.
He'll stay at Hawthorn.
My opinion is he will go. Too many younger players such as Dowler and Thorpe who with the opportunity would bring more to Hawthorn then Willo ever will.
He was a great player but his time at Hawthorn is done in my opinion.
croady_fan24
3 Jun 2008, 20:02
He won't go. He will stay.
He has just had a serious knee injury. Give the guy some time, he will get their.
noosa hawk mad
3 Jun 2008, 20:08
no people forget how good Willo can be!
Roger Rogerson
3 Jun 2008, 21:10
How many players in their careers have kicked 60 goals twice? Very very very few.
How many players have kicked 9 in a game. Same as above.
He is absolute class.
He has played a grand total of probably 8 or so games alongside Buddy and Roughie.
His role has changed and he is yet to fully embrace this but give him time. If he doesn't he will be down at Box Hill - make no mistake.
hawks_legends
3 Jun 2008, 22:00
U dont have to be a smart ass about it. The main purpose of a thread is to have a discussion!!:mad:
Its my opinion mate. I'm not being a smart ass about it. Jesus Lord, why should we even trade Mark Williams anyway?
#6 Mark Williams
3 Jun 2008, 22:04
Some people only like to see the negatives, and are oblivious to the positives, the guy was our forwardline spine for 2 years in a row before doing his knee. He has average around 2.5 goals a game this season and will only get better once he gets more game time.
Hawka_de_Haven
3 Jun 2008, 23:25
And there lies the problem. As lead up player he is now third in the pecking order behind the twin towers. How is a footballer supposed to grow in confidence when the game plan is centred around other fwds who on average could receive the ball inside 50 a combined total of 30 times. As a footballer who was the key target several years back, I too would I'd be slightly miffed at the fact that Buddy is the goto man almost always providing he has half a chance at marking. He is also appears to be a man of substance whowears his heart on his sleeve or in his case on his forarms so if things at home are not what they should be, it shows.
Willo needs to add other strings to his bow, he knows it but for now is disinterested. If we see no improvement in the 1%enters by Willo and his body language remains the same I fear a move elsewhere by seasons end is not without merit. The teams in the west because of there favourable position in the draft and there obvious lack of lead up fwd types might be the tonic for Willo and co.
I for one hope not.
Willo kicked over 60 goals for those two seasons as our main target -taking the best defender every week.
Surely now that he gets the 3rd defender he would have them covered on the lead??
Perhaps our mids should lower their eyes a bit and look for willo :thumbsu:
I hope he stays and pops up for 2-3 goals a game
And there lies the problem. As lead up player he is now third in the pecking order behind the twin towers. How is a footballer supposed to grow in confidence when the game plan is centred around other fwds who on average could receive the ball inside 50 a combined total of 30 times. As a footballer who was the key target several years back, I too would I'd be slightly miffed at the fact that Buddy is the goto man almost always providing he has half a chance at marking. He is also appears to be a man of substance whowears his heart on his sleeve or in his case on his forarms so if things at home are not what they should be, it shows.
Willo needs to add other strings to his bow, he knows it but for now is disinterested. If we see no improvement in the 1%enters by Willo and his body language remains the same I fear a move elsewhere by seasons end is not without merit. The teams in the west because of there favourable position in the draft and there obvious lack of lead up fwd types might be the tonic for Willo and co.
I for one hope not.
I totally agree with you, finally someone understands what I'm on about! Willo use to be the number 1 go to man, that would have been motivating for him, the midfielders use always look for him. Now 2 years down the track things have changed at Hawthorn. We have 2 big forwards and now all the midfielders look for Franklin then Roughie. Now Williams is third in the list, maybe emotionally he doesn't like that his role has changed and that he wants more of a challenge.
How many times do you see our midfielders kicking it long to Franklin, I've seen other players free in the forwardline and they still kick it to Franklin with 3 on him. Now that must be really annoying when, your a lead up forward and no one looks for you. The player then looses confidence and becomes less motivated. My fear is that Williams might go down that track and its up to the Hawthorn Football Club to Manage that quickly. You look at teams like West Coast and Co they have no lead up forward and Williams might suite there structure.
I recall last year, Williams name was thrown around the trade table last year. So wat makes you think that he won't be talked about this year around?
Its my opinion mate. I'm not being a smart ass about it. Jesus Lord, why should we even trade Mark Williams anyway?
Im not saying that Hawthorn wants to trade him, I'm saying he might want to be traded to another club. Maybe he doesn't enjoy kicking 2 goals a week. Now if you were in Williams position 2 years ago being the number 1 go to man, now your like the 3rd go to man and players hardly pass to him. Seriously how would you be mentally and physically? For him to do that gesture after he kicked that goal against Port Adeliade he must have been really frustrated to do that! Remember that game, he wasnt even in the game until he kicked that goal. I tell you one thing Williams loves attention, why do think he use to do all these things after he scores a goal. Now if his getting no attention from no one, even from his Hawthorn buddies then his going to do
1. Stupuid things like what he did against Port
2. Be very Lazy and play a shocker
I see him going down the path of being inpassionate about playing for Hawthorn and he might ask the football club to be traded to West Coast were they need a lead up forward.
Chrissie90
4 Jun 2008, 11:17
I think that Willo is better than Tim Boyle and should stay. I think he has more skills even than Roughy. But dad thinks that Clarko hates him and thats why he gave him a spray after the Port game. He says that Clarko has tried to trade WIll for the last 3 or 4 years and he wont stop til he is gone. Dont do it Clarko...
thatswhatimtalkinabout
4 Jun 2008, 11:37
Jeeezuz! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
I'd love put every Hawthorn 'supporter' up for friggin trade who starts these twice-weekly threads speculating about trades.
Time and place ladies and gentlemen - making judgements not half way through the season is ridiculous and cements in stone a reputation we are developing as premature ejaculators.:thumbsd:
I think that Willo is better than Tim Boyle and should stay. I think he has more skills even than Roughy. But dad thinks that Clarko hates him and thats why he gave him a spray after the Port game. He says that Clarko has tried to trade WIll for the last 3 or 4 years and he wont stop til he is gone. Dont do it Clarko...
Yeh I agree with your dad I think Willo and Clarko aren't best buddies!:thumbsd:
FriarTuck
4 Jun 2008, 22:16
.................I recall last year, Williams name was thrown around the trade table last year. So wat makes you think that he won't be talked about this year around?
Cant see his trade value having risen from what has happened this year.
For what we would get against what he offers us. Willo is a keeper.