View Full Version : Port Adelaide Name Tarnished Forever....
Geoffa32
9 Jun 2008, 19:15
Before Port were the Power they were the Magpies. The most successfull football club in Australia. The mantra "Exist to win Premierships" was not just a marketing catchphrase it was a commandment to live by. The Magpies only had to make the finals and all other teams would know they would be a threat to win a flag.
The Magpies played for the jumper and had passion. They played by "The Creed" given to the Club by the Great Fos Williams. It meant that all defeat would only be accepted after all physical endeavour was exhausted. Every Magpie player know and abided by this.
The Magpies had respect.
Now they are the Power. A franchise that has roots stemming from the Magpies Club. However there is none of the grit and determination from the Magpies days in the current team. The Power are slowly becoming the laughing stock of the AFL. Their players come out and make big statements and rarely back them up. Their coach cries about umpires and hard draws, yet seems unable to do anything to fire his own players up.
This "Power" side has taken a Tradition and Heritage of Pride and Respect and ruined what once was a name that stood for something.
jonoman89
9 Jun 2008, 19:19
The most successfull football club in Australia
No chance. SANFL was much crappier than the VFL - if Essendon or Carlton were in it we would have pillaged it completely.
Good post Geoffa. Agree 100%.
Seriously mate, why do you care?
Everyone knows you are a port magpies supporter and don't like the power... i don't need to hear the same s__t dribbling from your mouth everytime I come on here.
Your wasting your life away with bitterness, go out, have a nice dinner or something.
Seriously though, we are not doing well at the moment. I wouldn't go so far to say we are a laughing stock just yet but there is definately some improvement in attitude required from high level people at the club.
when i say "improvement" i mean a movement away from blind denial which appears to have happened with cassisi and chocos comments.
"The name is tarnised forever"... you idiot.
Keithy George
9 Jun 2008, 19:33
The reality is they are premiership away from redemption, all clubs are.
The Power won a flag just four years ago, but its fair to say they've lost a great deal of respect in the footy public, even back in 2003 in their prime choking days they still were to be feared, they crushed sides. The current side is a mob of downhill skiiers. But when they wn thier next flag they will get the respect back
As the youngest team in the AFL, we've won a flag, played in many finals and yes...had our ups and downs.
But i can say i'd rather be a Port supporter, than Fremantle, Richmond, Melbourne, St Kilda and yada yada.
If we are down at the moment, don't worry, it wont be for long. I can guarantee that :thumbsu:
For your information. We were established in 1870, and didnt win a flag until 1884. Thats 14 years in the comp.
So our AFL version isnt doing too bad.......ey what chap ? :)
DOCKER CLINT
9 Jun 2008, 19:50
A very good opening post. Deserves more than to be in Bay 13 but it's probably a pre-emptive strike by the mods. The Port Power fans will shit this thread up in no time.
Kamikaze Krowz
9 Jun 2008, 19:58
:rolleyes: are you ever NOT the youngest team in the league?
I keep hearing this everywhere, we've heard this since 1997..
Brogan, lade, tredrea, c cornes, k cornes, p burgoyne, s burgoyne, casissi, thurstans, motlop, ebert, lonie, rodan, wilson.. Few others you could throw in as not being exactly kids anymore like pettigrew etc
Not so young and inexperienced as you lot make yourself out to be..
PowerForGood
9 Jun 2008, 20:00
Before Port were the Power they were the Magpies. The most successfull football club in Australia. The mantra "Exist to win Premierships" was not just a marketing catchphrase it was a commandment to live by. The Magpies only had to make the finals and all other teams would know they would be a threat to win a flag.
The Magpies played for the jumper and had passion. They played by "The Creed" given to the Club by the Great Fos Williams. It meant that all defeat would only be accepted after all physical endeavour was exhausted. Every Magpie player know and abided by this.
The Magpies had respect.
Now they are the Power. A franchise that has roots stemming from the Magpies Club. However there is none of the grit and determination from the Magpies days in the current team. The Power are slowly becoming the laughing stock of the AFL. Their players come out and make big statements and rarely back them up. Their coach cries about umpires and hard draws, yet seems unable to do anything to fire his own players up.
This "Power" side has taken a Tradition and Heritage of Pride and Respect and ruined what once was a name that stood for something.
Geoffa, you are turning into a real tool.
We have come into a national competition, and I would say that our first 11 years were a great success, far greater than anything that was envisaged, especially by "supporters" like yourself I bet.
Being such an avid historian, how many years did Port Adelaide exist (and be reasonably successful in) until Fos Williams and "The Mantra" came into being? It wasn't 1870, was it?
It took years and decades of success until we built our reputation in the competition, before we could consider dominating it like we did.
Tell me, the team that you have elected to support, the Adelaide Crows, where's the grit and determination and overwhelming domination of the competition that you seem to treasure?
Where was it when they "choked" to Essendon in 1993?
Where was it when they "choked" to Port Adelaide in the first Showdown?
Where was it when they "choked" to West Coast in 2006?
Where was it when they "choked" to Hawthorn last year?
From where I sit, I think that we've accomplished one good thing, we've jettisoned supporters such as yourself, who have not followed us on our AFL adventure because it's probably too hard for you to not following the biggest team in the state. Reading your posts lately, I honestly believe that you are interested in following the biggest team, not the best team. Because you were spoiled in the SANFL, you had both with Port Adelaide. Then you had a choice, and went with the biggest, rather than stick with the best.
And as for premierships, here's a list for you, tell me what you think they mean.
Never
1954 - 54
1964 - 44
1966 - 42
1982 - 26
1991 - 17
1990 - 16
1995 - 13
1996 - 12
1998 - 10
2000 - 8
2003 - 5
2004 - 4
2005 - 3
2006 - 2
2007 - 1
KingsCrow
9 Jun 2008, 20:01
No chance. SANFL was much crappier than the VFL - if Essendon or Carlton were in it we would have pillaged it completely.
Ofcourse the VFL was a little bit better, but not by as much as you would imagine.
PowerForGood
9 Jun 2008, 20:03
:rolleyes: are you ever NOT the youngest team in the league?
We've heard this since 1997..
Carlton is the youngest, stop making untrue statements..
Brogan, lade, tredrea, c cornes, k cornes, p burgoyne, s burgoyne, casissi, thurstans, motlop, ebert, lonie, rodan, wilson.. Few others you could throw in as not being exactly kids anymore like pettigrew etc
Not so young and inexperienced as you lot make yourself out to be..
10 years in the AFL, I think he is referring to, not the age of the players.
fryingpan
9 Jun 2008, 20:04
Choke :)
A very good opening post. Deserves more than to be in Bay 13 but it's probably a pre-emptive strike by the mods. The Port Power fans will shit this thread up in no time.
A very bad opening post infact. Port cannot be measured as a laughing stock, in comparison to Fremantle, or other teams such as Richmond.
A new team that has dominated quite a few other teams, has won a flag during the time of Brisbane's dominance. Before you say look at their injury's coming into that 04 GF....have a look at ours too.
Our winning ratio is 57 %, which is around 6th position overall. Not too bad for a new team, finding its feet.
A laughing stock, i don't think so. Overall, as a die hard supporter, they have given me more good times than bad. :thumbsu:
KingsCrow
9 Jun 2008, 20:06
Where was it when they "choked" to Essendon in 1993?
Where was it when they "choked" to Port Adelaide in the first Showdown?
Where was it when they "choked" to West Coast in 2006?
Where was it when they "choked" to Hawthorn last year?
Yes
Yes
No
No
10 years in the AFL, I think he is referring to, not the age of the players.
Thats exactly what i meant. :)
KingsCrow
9 Jun 2008, 20:10
Thats exactly what i meant. :)
1870?
I thought your club was as old as the dinosaurs
^^
nah mate, port adelaides been around since the dawn of time. kind of like that evil black alien goo from the x-files
KingsCrow
9 Jun 2008, 20:20
^^
nah mate, port adelaides been around since the dawn of time. kind of like that evil black alien goo from the x-files
The big bang & Ports creation
Two epic moments in the Universe's history.
The big bang & Ports creation
Two epic moments in the Universe's history.
^^ Bout as old as the old Cronie in your Avatar.
KingsCrow
9 Jun 2008, 21:09
^^ Bout as old as the old Cronie in your Avatar.
Make sure you stretch those creamy hamstrings!
Make sure you stretch those creamy hamstrings!
:D Will do old fella.
KingsCrow
9 Jun 2008, 21:31
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You shouldn't have gone to all that expense KingsCrow........but very good work :thumbsu:
Your almost building a bridge between one or two Crows posters, and us. Well....building a bridge between you and us.
Nah ! :p
Good work anyway, ya old fart.
Geoffa32
10 Jun 2008, 08:18
I guess the new breed of Port Supporter accepts mediocrity.....
dyertribe
10 Jun 2008, 08:31
Nice to see you're up bright and early to sink the boots in, Geoffrey.
Good commitment.
Geoffa32
10 Jun 2008, 08:44
Man's gotta have a hobby....
If the Crows capitulated like that (twice in one year), I would bet that the likes of Total Power Toots and BWST would be right there to sink the boots in.
Freddy Bassett
10 Jun 2008, 10:25
I guess the new breed of Port Supporter accepts mediocrity.....
Yeah spot. More excuses than a politician aswell. I honestly think this is the problem at Alberton, an excuse for everything. How bout accepting you have a team full of outside, soft players? Pretty simple really
There is a difference between accepting mediocrity and being c__ts towards the players.
Telling some of them they are soft outside players isn't telling something they don't already know.
relapse
10 Jun 2008, 13:43
Man's gotta have a hobby....
If the Crows capitulated like that (twice in one year), I would bet that the likes of Total Power Toots and BWST would be right there to sink the boots in.
Total power hasnt been here this year because he is way too occupied trying eat all the humble pie this season after all of his bleating and predictions that have all blown up in his face.
Geoffa32
10 Jun 2008, 14:00
There is a difference between accepting mediocrity and being c__ts towards the players.
Telling some of them they are soft outside players isn't telling something they don't already know.
maybe recruting less of these kind of players and playing some of the tough honest footballers you have on your list already may help. I see Thomson had a nother good game for Sturt. He would be near the pointy end of the Magarey, bit like Symes.
topjars
10 Jun 2008, 14:12
Before Port were the Power they were the Magpies. The most successfull football club in Australia. The mantra "Exist to win Premierships" was not just a marketing catchphrase it was a commandment to live by. The Magpies only had to make the finals and all other teams would know they would be a threat to win a flag.
The Magpies played for the jumper and had passion. They played by "The Creed" given to the Club by the Great Fos Williams. It meant that all defeat would only be accepted after all physical endeavour was exhausted. Every Magpie player know and abided by this.
The Magpies had respect.
Now they are the Power. A franchise that has roots stemming from the Magpies Club. However there is none of the grit and determination from the Magpies days in the current team. The Power are slowly becoming the laughing stock of the AFL. Their players come out and make big statements and rarely back them up. Their coach cries about umpires and hard draws, yet seems unable to do anything to fire his own players up.
This "Power" side has taken a Tradition and Heritage of Pride and Respect and ruined what once was a name that stood for something.
In reference to the highlights above, the Magpies are NOT the Power!
You see, this is where metaphors being mixed have seduced those that think the tradition came with AFL entry...serve 'em right.
How many times has Tredrea pretty much accepted mediocrity in the media this year after a loss? A couple of times Im sure.
And all this week we've been shown Daniella Motlop dribbling a goal through from the boundary line as if to suggest he practices it at training....BF Deal!!
I even think he said it took ten kicks to get it right so the camera could play it on the news...all bloody week!!!
Andrew McLeod and Dale Thomas, to name a couple, have done it all b4; and so have blokes called Modra & Daicos.
My point is, you wouldnt see Neil Craig or Mick Malthouse allowing such crap being extrapulated through the press ....keep it up Chocco;)
And what does Motlop do when he gets a chance to straighten on the weekend and slot a goal:D the rest is history.
And while Im on the subject of coaching the Power- to come out and grizzle about Chads 3 year injury and a short pre season is clutching at wet straws...Its not bothering Hawthorn or Geelong. I hope Port keep Chokeo; Baghdad are better off without him.
The Port Adelaide name will never be tarnished forever, but those holding the reins that allow the above to happen in the media are tarnished IMO.
ThunderPower_14
10 Jun 2008, 14:38
While I don't think the Port Adelaide name is tarnished forever (the melbourne supporter on the first page of the thread summed it up, any club is a premiership away from redemption), I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Port supporter who would argue that we are playing anywhere near a true Port Adelaide style of football. We lack heart, hardness, and the ability to close out games. Tactically we aren't any better.
Williams has come out and admitted he knows there are things wrong. Hopefully this means Thomas, Thomson and Lower get picked, and our downhill skiers get a few weeks in the SANFL to think about their careers.
topjars
10 Jun 2008, 14:41
So do you think the portrayal of Motlop bending grubbers through the goals for a media scoop adds or detracts from the "TEAM" line Chocco is pushing:rolleyes:
ThunderPower_14
10 Jun 2008, 14:55
I really don't think it has anything to do with anything. Motlop is a confidence player, and media attention like that will do great things for his confidence. The rest of the team like having him in good form, everyone is happy. I don't see a problem with that at all.
maybe recruting less of these kind of players and playing some of the tough honest footballers you have on your list already may help. I see Thomson had a nother good game for Sturt. He would be near the pointy end of the Magarey, bit like Symes.
Yeah well, I'm not a selector.
The sooner Thomo, Matt Thomas and Lower are in the side and given actual time on ground the better.
Its painfully obvious that we need a bit of the 2001-2004 grunt back. I think it is fairly likely that the above mentioned players will have a good chance of playing an effective role similar to that of carr and hardwick (they might not actually be as good at it but still they should be able to do the role), its a matter of short-term pain for long term gain AS LONG as they are willing to do the hard work and not play golf, indoor soccer etc at training.
Goat 53
10 Jun 2008, 16:42
So do you think the portrayal of Motlop bending grubbers through the goals for a media scoop adds or detracts from the "TEAM" line Chocco is pushing:rolleyes:
Well they did beat Freo who are now 1-10. Seems reason to have a puff piece news article and for Port Power to continue their over the top celebrating style.
The Crows seemed to recover when they tarnished their reputation back in 1993. So maybe Port's reputation isn't quite tarnished forever.
1993 Prelim Final
Essendon 4-5 6- 6 12- 8 17- 9 111 M.C.G. 76380
Adelaide 7-4 12-12 13-14 14-16 100
The Crows also seem to be doing OK with soft players, such as Shirley, Bock, Johncock and Jericho on the field. Each of these only got one contested possession on the weekend, except for Jericho who got two. This is two more than Jericho's median contested possessions average.
topjars
10 Jun 2008, 17:27
The Crows seemed to recover when they tarnished their reputation back in 1993. So maybe Port's reputation isn't quite tarnished forever.
1993 Prelim Final
Essendon 4-5 6- 6 12- 8 17- 9 111 M.C.G. 76380
Adelaide 7-4 12-12 13-14 14-16 100
The Crows also seem to be doing OK with soft players, such as Shirley, Bock, Johncock and Jericho on the field. Each of these only got one contested possession on the weekend, except for Jericho who got two. This is two more than Jericho's median contested possessions average.
You idiot...soft players...:rolleyes:
If you mob of softclocks went for the hardball you wouldnt be standing still with your pants down around your ankles.:D
Sorry... you want an example, just look at round three
topjars
10 Jun 2008, 17:29
Well they did beat Freo who are now 1-10. Seems reason to have a puff piece news article and for Port Power to continue their over the top celebrating style.
You got it.
I got it.
They cant see it though, in the land of mediocrity;)
You idiot...soft players...:rolleyes:
I also remember a few years ago when Carlton tarnished your repution (forever??!!??)
2004 Round 11
Adelaide 5-6 6-6 10-12 12-15 87 Football Park 41617
Carlton 1-1 5-4 7-5 14-7 91
The Crows prove that you can get away with soft players if you have a soft draw. The Crows have played 7 teams outside the eight for 7 wins. The four games they have had against top eight teams they have been left with their pants down. Soft players, soft draw.
Geoffa32
10 Jun 2008, 17:49
Yeah well, I'm not a selector.
The sooner Thomo, Matt Thomas and Lower are in the side and given actual time on ground the better.
Its painfully obvious that we need a bit of the 2001-2004 grunt back. I think it is fairly likely that the above mentioned players will have a good chance of playing an effective role similar to that of carr and hardwick (they might not actually be as good at it but still they should be able to do the role), its a matter of short-term pain for long term gain AS LONG as they are willing to do the hard work and not play golf, indoor soccer etc at training.
Good Comment....
I think you see where I was coming from in this thread.
Geoffa32
10 Jun 2008, 17:50
I also remember a few years ago when Carlton tarnished your repution (forever??!!??)
2004 Round 11
Adelaide 5-6 6-6 10-12 12-15 87 Football Park 41617
Carlton 1-1 5-4 7-5 14-7 91
The Crows prove that you can get away with soft players if you have a soft draw. The Crows have played 7 teams outside the eight for 7 wins. The four games they have had against top eight teams they have been left with their pants down. Soft players, soft draw.
The Crows dont have 60+ years of history behind them to uphold, or so us non Power people are told at every chance.
topjars
10 Jun 2008, 18:01
Nor do Port Power:p
topjars
10 Jun 2008, 18:04
I also remember a few years ago when Carlton tarnished your repution (forever??!!??)
2004 Round 11
Adelaide 5-6 6-6 10-12 12-15 87 Football Park 41617
Carlton 1-1 5-4 7-5 14-7 91
The Crows prove that you can get away with soft players if you have a soft draw. The Crows have played 7 teams outside the eight for 7 wins. The four games they have had against top eight teams they have been left with their pants down. Soft players, soft draw.
Bad kicking is bad football.
Soft players breed soft posters:p
relapse
10 Jun 2008, 18:04
I also remember a few years ago when Carlton tarnished your repution (forever??!!??)
2004 Round 11
Adelaide 5-6 6-6 10-12 12-15 87 Football Park 41617
Carlton 1-1 5-4 7-5 14-7 91
The Crows prove that you can get away with soft players if you have a soft draw. The Crows have played 7 teams outside the eight for 7 wins. The four games they have had against top eight teams they have been left with their pants down. Soft players, soft draw.
Your harping on about Adelaide's draw and how Adelaide are rubbish and are only winning because they apparently have had a soft draw, yet Port have just lost to Carlton at home which is most probably one of the easiest games for the year.
Power King
10 Jun 2008, 18:08
A very bad opening post infact. Port cannot be measured as a laughing stock, in comparison to Fremantle, or other teams such as Richmond.
A new team that has dominated quite a few other teams, has won a flag during the time of Brisbane's dominance. Before you say look at their injury's coming into that 04 GF....have a look at ours too.
Our winning ratio is 57 %, which is around 6th position overall. Not too bad for a new team, finding its feet.
A laughing stock, i don't think so. Overall, as a die hard supporter, they have given me more good times than bad. :thumbsu:
We lost Primus, Francou and Stevens for the entire 2004 season.
No other team would win a premiership with outs as big as those (crucial to the season that just passed), for the whole year.
Q. What do you call playing Melbourne, West Coast, Essendon and Richmond in the last four weeks.
A. Downhill Skiing
PS. You still lost to West Coast, but then again you always do.
topjars
10 Jun 2008, 18:59
Q: What do you call three Pork supporters in the sauna?
A: Gorillas in the mist.
KingsCrow
10 Jun 2008, 23:29
Q. What do you call playing Melbourne, West Coast, Essendon and Richmond in the last four weeks.
A. Downhill Skiing
PS. You still lost to West Coast, but then again you always do.
We also beat Carlton a few weeks ago, Oh and your mob.
We really have had it easy this year ;)
Q. What do you call playing Melbourne, West Coast, Essendon and Richmond in the last four weeks.
A. Downhill Skiing
PS. You still lost to West Coast, but then again you always do.
Anyone who has actually done downhill skiing would know that it is one of the most dangerous sports in the world at the elite level.
As for having a bogey team ... well you would know all about that as yours plays out of the same home ground ... but sometimes wins there.
P.S. We beat West Coast by 76 points earlier this year.
Crow-mo
10 Jun 2008, 23:38
The Crows also seem to be doing OK with soft players, such as Shirley, Bock, Johncock and Jericho on the field. Each of these only got one contested possession on the weekend, except for Jericho who got two. This is two more than Jericho's median contested possessions average.
ah I love it when someone's inner moron escapes from the bottle; always a good laugh.
so from what I can work out you
1. live in the past
2. have no idea about the game
yep, a genuine PAP supporter alright.
Crow-mo
10 Jun 2008, 23:40
Nor do Port Power:p
apparently they've only been around for a few years now and are just starting out. Just like the real port adelaide did in 1870.
GoldCoastCrow
11 Jun 2008, 00:29
So do you think the portrayal of Motlop bending grubbers through the goals for a media scoop adds or detracts from the "TEAM" line Chocco is pushing:rolleyes:
Whilst I love sinking the boots in after a good POWER choke as much as the next guy, I must say I disagree with your views on the Motlop goal issue. I see football as entertainment. Sure it's sport and there is a lot of pride (and money) at stake, but anything that promotes the game of AFL football can only be a good thing.
As a South Aussie now living in QLD I have heard many comments from non AFL people here about how amazing the Motlop goal was. It was shown ad nauseum on the news here too over the week and everybody who saw it was dazzled. To me, this only serves to promote the game of Australian football.
:cool:
topjars
11 Jun 2008, 08:22
Whilst I love sinking the boots in after a good POWER choke as much as the next guy, I must say I disagree with your views on the Motlop goal issue. I see football as entertainment. Sure it's sport and there is a lot of pride (and money) at stake, but anything that promotes the game of AFL football can only be a good thing.
As a South Aussie now living in QLD I have heard many comments from non AFL people here about how amazing the Motlop goal was. It was shown ad nauseum on the news here too over the week and everybody who saw it was dazzled. To me, this only serves to promote the game of Australian football.
:cool:
Fair enough GoldCoastCrow; but my point was that (OP) you wouldnt see Craigy or Malthouse allowing the media beat-up of this.
Says something about Chokeo taking his eye of the BALL IMO.
johnnypanther
11 Jun 2008, 10:32
Q. What do you call playing Melbourne, West Coast, Essendon and Richmond in the last four weeks.
A. Downhill Skiing
Well at least we ski to the finishing line, not run & crash into trees on the way down
ah I love it when someone's inner moron escapes from the bottle; always a good laugh.
Ah! Once someone starts resorting to personal insults thats when they lose the agrument; always a good laugh.
I would expect better from someone with a self-proclaimed superior intellect. I think its time to admonish yourself to the room full of mirrors.
Ah! Once someone starts resorting to personal insults thats when they lose the agrument; always a good laugh.
I would expect better from someone with a self-proclaimed superior intellect. I think its time to admonish yourself to the room full of mirrors.
I think with the state of your club closely resembling that of a complete and utter rabble, nobody bagging the Power would be in a position to lose regardless of the agrument (sic) they put forward.
ThunderPower_14
11 Jun 2008, 11:05
Fair enough GoldCoastCrow; but my point was that (OP) you wouldnt see Craigy or Malthouse allowing the media beat-up of this.
Says something about Chokeo taking his eye of the BALL IMO.
You managed to completely ignore my point about Motlop being a confidence player and the added confidence that the media attention would give him, while continuing to make the same misguided argument. Well done.
I think with the state of your club closely resembling that of a complete and utter rabble, nobody bagging the Power would be in a position to lose regardless of the agrument (sic) they put forward.
Thank for pointing out the typographical error in my previous post. It is most appreciated.
Nonetheless, a club that is a complete and utter rabble can quickly turn it around. Just like in late 1999 and early 2000 when the Crows were a complete and utter rabble and lost 9 games in a row, they managed to win 7 of their next 9 games. So if a bunch of underachievers like the Crows can turn it around Port won’t have too much trouble doing so.
Year Round HomeTeam Score AwayTeam Score Stadium Result Margin Crowd
1999 19 Adelaide 44 Brisbane Lions 83 Football Park Loss -39 33398
1999 20 Sydney 159 Adelaide 41 S.C.G. Loss -118 34299
1999 21 Port Adelaide 92 Adelaide 68 Football Park Loss -24 42669
1999 22 Adelaide 66 Kangaroos 142 Football Park Loss -76 37662
2000 1 Adelaide 108 Western Bdogs 131 Football Park Loss -23 37133
2000 2 Collingwood 103 Adelaide 92 M.C.G. Loss -11 33076
2000 3 Adelaide 100 Geelong 111 Football Park Loss -11 39011
2000 4 West Coast 187 Adelaide 73 W.A.C.A. Loss -114 26037
2000 5 Brisbane Lions 122 Adelaide 92 Gabba Loss -30 26395
Mind you, Port has never lost nine games in a row.
Thank for pointing out the typographical error in my previous post. It is most appreciated.
You're welcome.
Nonetheless, a club that is a complete and utter rabble can quickly turn it around. Just like in late 1999 and early 2000 when the Crows were a complete and utter rabble and lost 9 games in a row, they managed to win 7 of their next 9 games. So if a bunch of underachievers like the Crows can turn it around Port won’t have too much trouble doing so.
Must suck to be inferior and bitches to a bunch of underachievers.
MightyAFC
11 Jun 2008, 13:25
Thank for pointing out the typographical error in my previous post. It is most appreciated.
Nonetheless, a club that is a complete and utter rabble can quickly turn it around. Just like in late 1999 and early 2000 when the Crows were a complete and utter rabble and lost 9 games in a row, they managed to win 7 of their next 9 games. So if a bunch of underachievers like the Crows can turn it around Port won’t have too much trouble doing so.
Year Round HomeTeam Score AwayTeam Score Stadium Result Margin Crowd
1999 19 Adelaide 44 Brisbane Lions 83 Football Park Loss -39 33398
1999 20 Sydney 159 Adelaide 41 S.C.G. Loss -118 34299
1999 21 Port Adelaide 92 Adelaide 68 Football Park Loss -24 42669
1999 22 Adelaide 66 Kangaroos 142 Football Park Loss -76 37662
2000 1 Adelaide 108 Western Bdogs 131 Football Park Loss -23 37133
2000 2 Collingwood 103 Adelaide 92 M.C.G. Loss -11 33076
2000 3 Adelaide 100 Geelong 111 Football Park Loss -11 39011
2000 4 West Coast 187 Adelaide 73 W.A.C.A. Loss -114 26037
2000 5 Brisbane Lions 122 Adelaide 92 Gabba Loss -30 26395
Mind you, Port has never lost nine games in a row.
Seeing as we're talking about the past...
AFC Premierships 1997, 1998
PAPFC Premierships 2004.
On my calcultations that's 2 to 1. (for all you port supporters on ur calculator press 1 + 1 then the equal sign= 1 more flag then you do) We play football to win flags!
All you Port supporters last year going on about being the next dynasty similar to Brisbane etc... LAP IT UP!
2008:
Adelaide 11 8 3
Port 11 4 7
And apparently Port's youngsters were better than the crows!
Shall we continue to talk about History??
Biggest Grand Final Loss Ever:
PAPFC 2007 Margin 119 points!
Care to bring up any other history making events???
topjars
11 Jun 2008, 13:35
You managed to completely ignore my point about Motlop being a confidence player and the added confidence that the media attention would give him, while continuing to make the same misguided argument. Well done.
No Worries:D
You're right about Motlop being a confidence player:thumbsu:perhaps the media attention will give him more confidence to not straighten up for goal when he should.
Must suck to be inferior and bitches to a bunch of underachievers.
It’s funny how Port supporters never feel inferior to anyone. That said the Crows are a bunch of underachievers. With the supporter base, revenue and facilities at your disposal I would have expected you to have a record something similar to the West Coast. You've only made the finals in 9 of your 17 years. The West Coast were 13 from their first 17 seasons and are currently 17 finals campaigns from 21 seasons. Even North Melbourne, a club with limited resources, have made the finals 11 times for two premierships since 1991.
As underachievers you are competing with Collingwood for the "Bart Simpson of the AFL" award. I guess that’s what happens when a club gets too much hype and adulation. You end up with players who are put up on a pedestal before achieving.
Geoffa32
11 Jun 2008, 14:00
You managed to completely ignore my point about Motlop being a confidence player and the added confidence that the media attention would give him, while continuing to make the same misguided argument. Well done.
Confidence Player is a polite way of saying Front Runner.
It is true though that he relies on the midfiled to get hiom the ball. However he coughed up the ball a few times whilst playing backward of centre, Chocko's Panic Game Set Up, (ie last quarter). whilst trying some fancy kicks when all was needed was a drop punt.
For every "miracle goal" there are a few errors, or periods of time he goes missing.
It’s funny how Port supporters never feel inferior to anyone. That said the Crows are a bunch of underachievers. With the supporter base, revenue and facilities at your disposal I would have expected you to have a record something similar to the West Coast. You've only made the finals in 9 of your 17 years. The West Coast were 13 from their first 17 seasons and are currently 17 finals campaigns from 21 seasons. Even North Melbourne, a club with limited resources, have made the finals 11 times for two premierships since 1991.
As underachievers you are competing with Collingwood for the "Bart Simpson of the AFL" award. I guess that’s what happens when a club gets too much hype and adulation. You end up with players who are put up on a pedestal before achieving.
You mean like the players who make up Port's 'revolution'?
Hey, D_One, are you there? Please explain how Port's 'revolution' players were not 'put up on a pedestal before achieving' when Port finished 12th in 2006?
Crow-mo
11 Jun 2008, 17:51
Ah! Once someone starts resorting to personal insults thats when they lose the agrument; always a good laugh.
I would expect better from someone with a self-proclaimed superior intellect. I think its time to admonish yourself to the room full of mirrors.
that's right, shoot the messenger. just telling it like it is.
not my fault if I struck a nerve.
besides I only referred to your inner moron, not the more obvious external one.
your attempts at deflection and analysis testify to that. ;)
Crow-mo
11 Jun 2008, 17:52
Thank for pointing out the typographical error in my previous post. It is most appreciated.
Nonetheless, a club that is a complete and utter rabble can quickly turn it around. Just like in late 1999 and early 2000 when the Crows were a complete and utter rabble and lost 9 games in a row, they managed to win 7 of their next 9 games. So if a bunch of underachievers like the Crows can turn it around Port won’t have too much trouble doing so.
Year Round HomeTeam Score AwayTeam Score Stadium Result Margin Crowd
1999 19 Adelaide 44 Brisbane Lions 83 Football Park Loss -39 33398
1999 20 Sydney 159 Adelaide 41 S.C.G. Loss -118 34299
1999 21 Port Adelaide 92 Adelaide 68 Football Park Loss -24 42669
1999 22 Adelaide 66 Kangaroos 142 Football Park Loss -76 37662
2000 1 Adelaide 108 Western Bdogs 131 Football Park Loss -23 37133
2000 2 Collingwood 103 Adelaide 92 M.C.G. Loss -11 33076
2000 3 Adelaide 100 Geelong 111 Football Park Loss -11 39011
2000 4 West Coast 187 Adelaide 73 W.A.C.A. Loss -114 26037
2000 5 Brisbane Lions 122 Adelaide 92 Gabba Loss -30 26395
Mind you, Port has never lost nine games in a row.
yet more proof you live in the past.
Crow-mo
11 Jun 2008, 17:57
It’s funny how Port supporters never feel inferior to anyone.
doesn't mean they shouldn't :D
That said the Crows are a bunch of underachievers. With the supporter base, revenue and facilities at your disposal I would have expected you to have a record something similar to the West Coast. You've only made the finals in 9 of your 17 years. The West Coast were 13 from their first 17 seasons and are currently 17 finals campaigns from 21 seasons. Even North Melbourne, a club with limited resources, have made the finals 11 times for two premierships since 1991.
but can you convince us that your expectations have any currency?
you might start by leaving the past behind and face up to today.
first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.
As underachievers you are competing with Collingwood for the "Bart Simpson of the AFL" award. I guess that’s what happens when a club gets too much hype and adulation. You end up with players who are put up on a pedestal before achieving.
agreed. good thing we don't have all these overhyped rising star duds on our list, or fluked a grand final as the worst team of the modern era to do so, otherwise we might have had a situation where the league feels we're easybeats who will roll over under a bit of pressure.
much like... nah don't worry about it. that's a bit too much "today" for you. baby steps champ, baby steps into reality.
doesn't mean they shouldn't :D
Once again resorting to personal insults and not addressing the argument. So to reiterate, the point of my argument was that if underachievers like the Crows can emerge from a nine game losing streak to win seven out of their next nine games then other clubs can also do so. And at no stage did I say that Port did not choke. Quite the contrary but you're inability to address arguments in a cognitive manner make you an ideal candidate for the next OJ Simpson trial, otherwise the poor bloke may end up in jail.
but can you convince us that your expectations have any currency?
Actually my expectations that the Crows may rise above the status of underachiever do not have much currency, unless of course that currency is the Zimbabwean Dollar.
you might start by leaving the past behind and face up to today.
first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.
problem acknowledged and you might start by looking at the past and realise that the Crows have consistently underachieved.
As for this season the Crows days of downhill skiing are over, the Crows have six tough games ahead and a week is a long time in football.
That said, the Crows are a good club but years of underachieving have left their poor supporters with little to cheer about so they have to seek pleasure by revelling in the misery of others. This ghoulish delight is most unbecoming and only belittles the perpetrators.
Hey, D_One, are you there? Please explain how Port's 'revolution' players were not 'put up on a pedestal before achieving' when Port finished 12th in 2006?
Have you addressed any of my arguments regarding the underachievement of the Crows? :rolleyes:
Crow-mo
11 Jun 2008, 19:59
Once again resorting to personal insults and not addressing the argument. So to reiterate, the point of my argument was that if underachievers like the Crows can emerge from a nine game losing streak to win seven out of their next nine games then other clubs can also do so. And at no stage did I say that Port did not choke. Quite the contrary but you're inability to address arguments in a cognitive manner make you an ideal candidate for the next OJ Simpson trial, otherwise the poor bloke may end up in jail.
I've not personally abused you in any way. strawman argument.
I'd want to deflect things if I were you too.
you have no argument, as I've pointed out. none. that's why you want to bring up things like OJ to hide that you have no argument on which to base anything on.
still living in the past. undeniably.
Actually my expectations that the Crows may rise above the status of underachiever do not have much currency, unless of course that currency is the Zimbabwean Dollar.
mmmm... yes, i can see your expectations are a force to be reckoned with. after all, you used yet another unrelated issue to hide your lack of substance.
can we expect another meaningless segue into the US president or something other piece of school boy rhetoric any time soon?
perhaps you could address the subject matter, or even perhaps we can discuss your fixation with past events.
do you think all of this could be a trauma coping mechanism?
problem acknowledged and you might start by looking at the past and realise that the Crows have consistently underachieved.
ok, still refusing to look at the here and now.
is it a cry for help? or does your inner moron really believe that you're making headway. (not personal abuse, just an honest assessment).
As for this season the Crows days of downhill skiing are over, the Crows have six tough games ahead and a week is a long time in football.
That said, the Crows are a good club but years of underachieving have left their poor supporters with little to cheer about so they have to seek pleasure by revelling in the misery of others. This ghoulish delight is most unbecoming and only belittles the perpetrators.
belittle, perpetrators? oooh, it's always fun to see the pigs trying to scale the moral high ground. oink oink :D
Ps. the reality of the here and now is ready to embrace you once you've conquered your fears, and stop hiding.
Crow-mo
11 Jun 2008, 20:00
Have you addressed any of my arguments regarding the underachievement of the Crows? :rolleyes:
can you spell irony?
better yet, ask an adult what it means.
and once you;ve done that, I won't expect you to address any of your own failings here, or the issues you've run from but something on topic would be nice :thumbsu:
can you spell irony?
The irony behind the shear stupidity of such a post beggars belief.
better yet, ask an adult what it means.
Can I phone a friend, maybe Alanis Morissette or Ethan Hawke could help. Do you have their number?
and once you;ve done that, I won't expect you to address any of your own failings here, or the issues you've run from but something on topic would be nice :thumbsu:
If pomposity is a failing then I may wish to join you at the table. And finally alert me to the issues I've run from so I can shoot down that statement too.
chewysnake
11 Jun 2008, 20:29
One thing you can't deny is they were and always will be the only club in SA to have earnt a name to tarnish.
Crow-mo
11 Jun 2008, 21:41
The irony behind the shear stupidity of such a post beggars belief.
not to anyone with an education it doesn't.
Can I phone a friend, maybe Alanis Morissette or Ethan Hawke could help. Do you have their number?
you could do. maybe they can give you more pop references to hide behind?
If pomposity is a failing then I may wish to join you at the table. And finally alert me to the issues I've run from so I can shoot down that statement too.
to shoot something down, you have to stop running from the issues?
but lets spell them out, maybe you can read them in the rear view mirror?
1. why you keep living in the past
2. what it is about the reality of today that you're so afraid of dealing with?
3. why you won't address the actual subject matter of the thread.
4. why your education is so lacking as to not understand that to accuse someone else of doing something that you are in fact doing yourself, is by all definitions ironical?
4. did I mention your pathological fear of the present, that causes you to duck and dive, only finding solace in the past? :D
5. we could also go back to your awful football knowledge as demonstrated by your accusations of certain players being soft. (but only when we've finished showing you up over the first 4 points ;) )
oh and can we do it in order please. want to make you sure you don't miss anything.
PowerForGood
11 Jun 2008, 21:44
One thing you can't deny is they were and always will be the only club in SA to have earnt a name to tarnish.
Amen to that!
Crows are always the "outsiders" whenever they go deep into a finals series. Their belief is that "we didn't choke, we weren't favourites".
I'm keen to see Crows supporters tell us if any of the finals that they've lost, they were favourites for.
Have you addressed any of my arguments regarding the underachievement of the Crows? :rolleyes:
There was no need to. You shot yourself down in flames with your closing sentence when you failed to realize that you were describing your own team to a tee when you pointed out that 'that’s what happens when a club gets too much hype and adulation. You end up with players who are put up on a pedestal before achieving.' In other words, Port's revolution that started after they had another failed season in 2006 with a 12th placed finish.
One thing you can't deny is they were and always will be the only club in SA to have earnt a name to tarnish.
You're not going to cry are you?
KingsCrow
12 Jun 2008, 00:10
Amen to that!
Crows are always the "outsiders" whenever they go deep into a finals series. Their belief is that "we didn't choke, we weren't favourites".
I'm keen to see Crows supporters tell us if any of the finals that they've lost, they were favourites for.
2005 Saints -Loss
2005 from what I remember about even against Port - Won
2006 Fremantle- Won
?
ThunderPower_14
12 Jun 2008, 00:57
You are always favourite in a home prelim. If you get the opportunity to host a home prelim, and lose, it's officially a stuff up. You had a home prelim in 2006 and you lost.
The away prelim in 2005 i'll give you.
PowerForGood
12 Jun 2008, 00:58
2005 Saints -Loss
2005 from what I remember about even against Port - Won
2006 Fremantle- Won
?
I know you didn't read my post, because you didn't answer it.
Port Adelaide has lost a number of finals that they should have won, and they are called chokes. We got thrashed in a couple of finals that we were underdogs, and they are called chokes.
Again, you won 2 flags 1997/8 and congratulations on that, but look at all the lost finals that you have had, and tell me how you were not favourites for any of them, so you didn't choke for any of them.
Here's a list, in case you can't remember.
Essendon 1993 PF (led at qtr, half, 3qtr time)
Melbourne 1998 QF (lost by 8 goals)
Carlton 2001 EF (lost by 11 goals)
Brisbane 2002 QF (lost by 12 goals)
Collingwood 2002 PF (away, led at half time)
Brisbane 2003 SF (lost by 7 goals)
St Kilda 2005 QF (at home, led at qtr time)
West Coast 2005 PF (lost by 3 goals)
West Coast 2006 PF (at home, led at qtr, half, 3qtr time)
Hawthorn 2007 EF (led at qtr, half, 3qtr time)
not to anyone with an education it doesn't.
The precocious assumption that you are the only educated person hides a deep-seated complex of other inferiorities. What are they Crow-Mo? Is it an inability to interact socially? Has the inner moto-moron caused you to develop a defensive stance based on a self-assessed superior intellect? Or is it incapacity to attract the fairer sex? Are you phallically challenged? What is it? Please enlighten me!
you could do. maybe they can give you more pop references to hide behind?
hide behind?? While I'm sure you understand the Alanis Morrissette reference however I'm still not convinced you understand all the pop culture refernces. But then again I could hide behind the modus operandi of assuming cerebral superciliousness and denigrating others with trite self-assessed witty retorts. If superciliousness eludes you, ask an adult what it means. (oh damn, you've dragged me down to your level)
to shoot something down, you have to stop running from the issues?
but lets spell them out, maybe you can read them in the rear view mirror?
I've had a good hard look in the rear view mirror and all I can see is that it’s been 3,547 days since the Crows have achieved anything of substance.
1. why you keep living in the past
I don’t have to go back to the previous century to laud any achievements, however that is also an option.
2. what it is about the reality of today that you're so afraid of dealing with?
It’s probably the same reality of a soft draw that you have trouble dealing with.
3. why you won't address the actual subject matter of the thread.
Let me get this right, the subject matter of the thread was that the Port Adelaide name has been tarnished forever. How did I reply? That’s right I pointed out that a certain other club once tarnished its name by having the second biggest choke in finals history (after the 1970 Grand Final)
1993 Prelim Final
Essendon 4-5 6- 6 12- 8 17- 9 111 M.C.G. 76380
Adelaide 7-4 12-12 13-14 14-16 100
While the Crows name was the laughing stock of the league after that debacle their name wasn't quite tarnished forever.
I then reminded the Alzheimer victims in navy, red and yellow beanies that they also choked to Carlton recently
2004 Round 11
Adelaide 5-6 6-6 10-12 12-15 87 Football Park 41617
Carlton 1-1 5-4 7-5 14-7 91
I did question whether this act encapsulated "forever".
Next a supporter of the SA underachievers informed me that Port was a rabble. Whilst not denying this I also pointed out that the Crows were once a rabble when they lost nine straight games several years ago. I also pointed out that the rabble seemed to recover. The subject matter has clearly been addressed albeit by exposing the hypocrisy of the accuser, but addressed nonetheless. Hypocrisy, its a big word, Crow-Mo, not quite as big as wheelbarrow but I'm still sure you know the meaning. (oops, down to your level again)
4. why your education is so lacking as to not understand that to accuse someone else of doing something that you are in fact doing yourself, is by all definitions ironical?
Ah you are indeed losing it now Crow-Mo. And the irony is that it was one of your fellow Crows supporters that initiated this thread whilst being a pot calling the kettle black. I was simply pointing out the irony of this accusation but your inability to discern such an obvious argument alludes to your substandard education.
4. did I mention your pathological fear of the present, that causes you to duck and dive, only finding solace in the past? :D
I always thought 5 came after 4, maybe your inability to use consecutive bullet points is just another demonstration of your second-rate schooling.
However, back to your highly repetitive query. (you seem to be asking the same question several different ways) Once again the past is only quoted to expose the hypocrisy of the accuser. There has been no ducking and diving and no fear of the present. Your query is merely a diatribe to portray self-perceived aloofness.
5. we could also go back to your awful football knowledge as demonstrated by your accusations of certain players being soft. (but only when we've finished showing you up over the first 4 points ;) )
This accusation is easy to establish, as the data on contested possessions is readily available from Champion Data
Finally, a troll with a thesaurus is still just a troll.
PS. Pawn to King Four. I love a challenge.
Asgardian
12 Jun 2008, 03:15
Only in the short term memories of those who never have, do not, nor ever will count for anything in sporting life, in short the typical band-wagoners.
Geoffa32
12 Jun 2008, 08:39
I know you didn't read my post, because you didn't answer it.
Port Adelaide has lost a number of finals that they should have won, and they are called chokes. We got thrashed in a couple of finals that we were underdogs, and they are called chokes.
Again, you won 2 flags 1997/8 and congratulations on that, but look at all the lost finals that you have had, and tell me how you were not favourites for any of them, so you didn't choke for any of them.
Here's a list, in case you can't remember.
Essendon 1993 PF (led at qtr, half, 3qtr time)
Melbourne 1998 QF (lost by 8 goals)
Carlton 2001 EF (lost by 11 goals)
Brisbane 2002 QF (lost by 12 goals)
Collingwood 2002 PF (away, led at half time)
Brisbane 2003 SF (lost by 7 goals)
St Kilda 2005 QF (at home, led at qtr time)
West Coast 2005 PF (lost by 3 goals)
West Coast 2006 PF (at home, led at qtr, half, 3qtr time)
Hawthorn 2007 EF (led at qtr, half, 3qtr time)
I long list of finals there
At least Crows are consistantly in the 8...
Even in a poor year, by our standards, we made the 8 (last year)
To Choke in so many finals you have to make it first.
We rarely choke at home in Home and Away games.....Port have done it twice. Nor are the Crows scared of rain
Asgardian
12 Jun 2008, 09:26
Nor are the Crows scared of rain
Just scared of children turning up to watch them practice, locking them out of Footy Park, denying them a chance to watch their heroes, damn brave stuff those cows are made of.
Only in the short term memories of those who never have, do not, nor ever will count for anything in sporting life, in short the typical band-wagoners.
Bandwagoners - In other words, the majority of Port supporters.
Asgardian
12 Jun 2008, 10:15
Better go out and buy a phrase book sonny, you need some material that can be dressed up as original
Better go out and buy a phrase book sonny, you need some material that can be dressed up as original
So you admit that the idea that Port supporters are bandwagoners is not original, old man? Well, I must say I agree with you on that since it is something that is generally universally agreed on.
Asgardian
12 Jun 2008, 11:23
Talk about a leap of faith
The cows supporters have claimed that the Port supporters are all kinds of things, including bandwagoners (talk about pot kettle black), so the comment is not new, but the expansion of the comment from a cows belief, to "generally universally agreed on" is ludicrous.
Go find a new taunt, your stuff is older than you are
Talk about a leap of faith
The cows supporters have claimed that the Port supporters are all kinds of things, including bandwagoners (talk about pot kettle black), so the comment is not new, but the expansion of the comment from a cows belief, to "generally universally agreed on" is ludicrous.
Go find a new taunt, your stuff is older than you are
Has it ever occurred to you that you are delusional? Everyone knows that Pork supporters are the biggest bandwagoners on the planet. Just ask around (hint: don't ask fellow delusional Pork supporters such as yourself).
Asgardian
12 Jun 2008, 11:55
You should try expanding your circle of communicants.
If you did, you'd be far less likely to believe your own spin in preference to the truth.
But, if you want to believe stuff that, is in your mind, detrimental to Port Adelaide go right ahead, I have no interest in becoming your psychologist.
generally universally agreed on.
Yet another outlandish statement made without any basis.
... and what complex statistical analysis did you use to come upon this "generally universally agreed on" fact. Did you interview three people wearing Crows scarves in Rundle Mall one day. I guess that would make it "generally universally agreed on".
The lunatics have a new home and they reside at Football Park.
It's a fact. Port Adelaide supporters are the most fickle, bandwagoning supporters on the planet. Have a look at your crowds (or lack thereof). Nobody is supporting your pathetic team anymore. They've all jumped off the bandwagon and are waiting for the side to start winning again (or at least stop choking) before they start attending games again.
I just did an analysis of hometown crowds for games played after round three where I compared top 4 crowds with bottom four crowds. Results below:
Bottom 4 Top 4
Club Games Crowd Games Crowd Diff Perc Diff
Fremantle 46 26297 6 40412 14115 53.67%
Melbourne 63 28768 37 43833 15066 52.37%
Richmond 50 36462 17 53215 16753 45.95%
Sydney 15 26018 26 36954 10936 42.03%
St Kilda 51 29669 40 42053 12384 41.74%
Carlton 82 36004 21 50490 14486 40.23%
Collingwood 49 42431 48 59114 16683 39.32%
North Melbourne 20 31722 38 43516 11794 37.18%
Brisbane Lions 22 21487 47 28485 6998 32.57%
Hawthorn 63 32288 29 42186 9899 30.66%
Essendon 42 44882 61 57368 12486 27.82%
Geelong 24 28716 58 36628 7912 27.55%
Western Bdogs 32 27589 47 34124 6535 23.69%
West Coast 18 34161 53 39008 4846 14.19%
Adelaide 18 38594 52 43292 4699 12.17%
Port Adelaide 20 29179 45 32447 2968 11.20%
It looks like Port supporters are the most loyal in the competition. Crows supporters are also quite loyal but compared to Port supporters they can only be described as "bandwagoners".
I just had a quick chat to two other people in the office and I guess that makes it "generally universally agreed on".
I just did an analysis of hometown crowds for games played after round three where I compared top 4 crowds with bottom four crowds. Results below:
It looks like Port supporters are the most loyal in the competition. Crows supporters are also quite loyal but compared to Port supporters they can only be described as "bandwagoners".
I just had a quick chat to two other people in the office and I guess that makes it "generally universally agreed on".
Seems like a lot number manipulation to me. I haven't even bothered trying to figure out what it is you're trying to prove there. Top 4 crowds, bottom 4 crowds, after round 3 (?!?!?). WTF?
Here are some simpler stats for you. Port Adelaide's home game attendances stats (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ta-port-adelaide-power?t=R&h=H) show that in 2008, Port have averaged the lowest home crowds EVER in its short history (and worst in the league for any team (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/attendances?year=2008&t=R&h=H&s=A)).
Must have something to do with their 119-point Grand Final humiliation and the fact that they have underperformed this year. Bandwagoning culture at its best.
Geoffa32
12 Jun 2008, 13:54
I just did an analysis of hometown crowds for games played after round three where I compared top 4 crowds with bottom four crowds. Results below:
Bottom 4 Top 4
Club Games Crowd Games Crowd Diff Perc Diff
Fremantle 46 26297 6 40412 14115 53.67%
Melbourne 63 28768 37 43833 15066 52.37%
Richmond 50 36462 17 53215 16753 45.95%
Sydney 15 26018 26 36954 10936 42.03%
St Kilda 51 29669 40 42053 12384 41.74%
Carlton 82 36004 21 50490 14486 40.23%
Collingwood 49 42431 48 59114 16683 39.32%
North Melbourne 20 31722 38 43516 11794 37.18%
Brisbane Lions 22 21487 47 28485 6998 32.57%
Hawthorn 63 32288 29 42186 9899 30.66%
Essendon 42 44882 61 57368 12486 27.82%
Geelong 24 28716 58 36628 7912 27.55%
Western Bdogs 32 27589 47 34124 6535 23.69%
West Coast 18 34161 53 39008 4846 14.19%
Adelaide 18 38594 52 43292 4699 12.17%
Port Adelaide 20 29179 45 32447 2968 11.20%
It looks like Port supporters are the most loyal in the competition. Crows supporters are also quite loyal but compared to Port supporters they can only be described as "bandwagoners".
I just had a quick chat to two other people in the office and I guess that makes it "generally universally agreed on".
The real test will be the next few home games...Middle of winter and only won one home game this year. Could we see some sub 20k crowds?
Bear in mind to break even at Footy Park a crowd of 27k is required.
Seems like a lot number manipulation to me. I haven't even bothered trying to figure out what it is you're trying to prove there. Top 4 crowds, bottom 4 crowds, after round 3 (?!?!?). WTF?
Ok I'll spell it out for you. It is a comparison between the average crowd that a team pulls when it is in the one of the top 4 positions on the premiership ladder compared to when it is in the bottom 4. Games played prior to round three are excluded as early in a season expectations are high and premiership position is far less a factor for bandwagoners. But then again I should have anticipated that the logic was beyond you.
Here are some simpler stats for you. Port Adelaide's home game attendances stats (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ta-port-adelaide-power?t=R&h=H) show that in 2008, Port have averaged the lowest home crowds EVER in its short history (and worst in the league for any team (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/attendances?year=2008&t=R&h=H&s=A)).
Must have something to do with their 119-point Grand Final humiliation and the fact that they have underperformed this year. Bandwagoning culture at its best.
Once again you are one of these deluded Crows fans obsessed with your crowd pulling superiority. Maybe if the team you support wasn't such a bunch of underachievers for the past decade this obsession with the cross town rival's crowds wouldn't be so apparent.
Port's average crowd is only down 2000 on last year, which includes a couple of games in the wet against traditionally small drawing clubs. The return showdown will also boost that average provided Crows supporters aren't as soft as their players and decide to turn up and support their team. The home games against Richmond and Collingwood will also up the average.
And here are some other stats for your feeble little brain to digest. The true measure of a clubs drawing power is when there are few travelling fans at the game. This is best measured when there is a game between a WA team and a Non-WA team.
Average Home and Away Crowds involving a WA team and a Non-WA team in their home state since 1997
Club Crowd Age Std Dev Played Wins Draws Losses Percentage
Adelaide 40008.32 3459.28 19 13 0 6 68.42%
Essendon 36586.94 7538.39 17 14 0 3 82.35%
West Coast 35915.62 4927.61 115 78 1 36 68.26%
Collingwood 32919.77 9030.83 22 13 0 9 59.09%
Sydney 30339.00 11205.1 17 15 0 2 88.24%
Port Adelaide 29947.73 5453.77 15 12 0 3 80.00%
Fremantle 27934.22 7514.37 115 67 0 48 58.26%
St Kilda 26056.92 8771.50 13 9 1 3 73.08%
Richmond 25547.00 5820.58 16 11 0 5 68.75%
Brisbane Lions 24996.69 5009.55 16 10 0 6 62.50%
Hawthorn 21675.33 8003.46 9 4 0 5 44.44%
Nth Melb 20887.50 6395.47 10 6 0 4 60.00%
Geelong 19513.00 2156.51 18 13 1 4 75.00%
Melbourne 19116.50 5680.34 16 9 0 7 56.25%
Carlton 18948.70 3816.51 10 6 0 4 60.00%
Bulldogs 18903.53 7217.99 15 10 0 5 66.67%
An average of 40,000 fans to Eagles and Freo games isn't too bad. Imagine what sort of crowds the Crows could get if they weren't such underachievers.
Geoffa32
12 Jun 2008, 14:18
You do realise Port were last for Average Home Attendances last year.
Defending crowds is not helping your club. You should be encouragin others to come.
Every crowd under 27000 is a financial loss. That is 4/6 this year.
How long can any business go on losing money delivering its main product. Remember the AFL is a corporate league where Profits is the number one aim. You only have to compare North and Richmonds current state to see that.