Changes Vs Collingwood

[Blueinblood]

As it is a Sunday game there will be an extended interchange.

IN: Jammo Banno Pfeiffer Hartlett
OUT: Wiggins

Bench on friday to look like:
Browne Pfeiffer Hartlett Hampson O'Hailpin Armfield Grigg

I would expect Hartlett to miss.
I have O'hailpin on the bench because Rocca is out and we may be to tall if they dont include Reid or Wood.

Final Bench

Hampson Ohailpin Armfield Grigg

[CarltonFan]

In: Jamison
Out: Wiggins

simple. banno should come through the seconds, and wiggler really hasnt had the impact thus far that is needed at AFL level.

[a1118374]

hard choice this week with the small collingwood forward line. maybe thornton loose?

for me though.
in - jammo
out - browne

[Murphinator]

Unfortunately: Setanta Out
Jammo In

[blues_gibbo6]

id be more inclined to drop armfield, browne is a small faster defender, who can play on didak, davis. jammo did the job last time so id like to see him play

[jonoman89]

IN: Jamo, Pfieffer

OUT: Setanta, Browne

Jamo needs to come at the expense of another tall defender, and as rocca is out maybe setanta should get a rest. The Pies midfield is pretty shit, so it would be good to get Pfieffer in who can play browne's role down back whilst also able to get fresh legs into the midfield rotation (and we know he can kick goals too :))

[CarltonFan]

out setanta? with all due respect to thornton, setanta has shown he much better form in the last few weeks. thornton looked slower yesterday, and carlos is a better spoiler, faster and more versatile. if one big defender has to go, i will be dissapointed to see irish out.

[Murphinator]

Armfield is the right guy to play on guys like didak, thomas, or even leon maybe.
we can't drop him.

Setanta doesn't deserve to be dropped, but we might because we could be too tall.

[RiCHii]

Keep in Armfield and Browne, Collingwood have a few small fowards and both of these guys can take one each. Id say ...

In:Jammo,Banno

Out:Wiggins, Sentanta

But really a tough decision on who to take out, they all deserve a spot next week. Well done to the boys.

[Doza]

Keep in Armfield and Browne, Collingwood have a few small fowards and both of these guys can take one each. Id say ...

In:Jammo,Banno

Out:Wiggins, Sentanta

But really a tough decision on who to take out, they all deserve a spot next week. Well done to the boys.

Agree with this. Setanta possibly to be the unlucky one. Browne might also be the unlucky one if we think we can cover the small forwards with Jamo, Armfield and Thornton.

[Blue History]

I really gotta ask why people want and continually drop Setanta.

Yesterday he beat Westhoff and Tredrea when he was covering him.

Westhoff had no impact, only kicking one goal and Setanta forced him into 4 clangers and 64% efficiency compared to Setanta of no clangers and 89% efficiency. Westhoff had more touches but all little impact on the wing.

Look back a couple of weeks back against Brisbane when he took on Johnno Brown and held his own.

Setanta has probably been one of the mroe solid consistant defenders down back and deserves his spot.

He could be a good match up for Cloke, which should release Waite either as a floater across half back or even a move forward to stretch Collingwood's defense.

The only outs i see would be Wiggins, low impact compared to previous weeks, and maybe Betts if his ankle doesn't pull up.

So my in's would be Jammo if fit or Bannister or Edwards.

[TheGeneral]

Yet another redundant thread from Blueinblood.

The OP is switched on. :rolleyes:

[a1118374]

I really gotta ask why people want and continually drop Setanta.

Yesterday he beat Westhoff and Tredrea when he was covering him.

Westhoff had no impact, only kicking one goal and Setanta forced him into 4 clangers and 64% efficiency compared to Setanta of no clangers and 89% efficiency. Westhoff had more touches but all little impact on the wing.

Look back a couple of weeks back against Brisbane when he took on Johnno Brown and held his own.

Setanta has probably been one of the mroe solid consistant defenders down back and deserves his spot.

He could be a good match up for Cloke, which should release Waite either as a floater across half back or even a move forward to stretch Collingwood's defense.

The only outs i see would be Wiggins, low impact compared to previous weeks, and maybe Betts if his ankle doesn't pull up.

So my in's would be Jammo if fit or Bannister or Edwards.

i think we all agree on the majority of your post. But matchups will determine selection, and thornton has to be ahead in the pecking order along with waite. They have a very small forward line without rocca

[Blues_Man]

So many idiots wanting to drop Wiggins ..ffs what does this bloke have to do to maintain his place in the side ???

Thank god none of you have any say in team selection ..because sadly you have NFI .

[Salt Lake Cities]

So many idiots wanting to drop Wiggins ..ffs what does this bloke have to do to maintain his place in the side ???

Thank god none of you have any say in team selection ..because sadly you have NFI .
It's called an opinion and everyone is entitled to that, we don't live in Zimbabwe do we?? If you feel the need to berate your fellow supporters to boost your own ego then i'd suggest the Collingwood board may cater more to your needs!

[BLue_Bloys]

Wiggins would keep his position. He's done enough at this stage. Once again until someone from the bullants are dominating I can't see him being dropped (maybe towards seasons end if/when we can't make finals)

I don't think dropping Setanta is the option. If Collingwood are lacking talls is it ideal for us. Move Waite forward or to the wing and keep setanta on Cloke.

Browne out imo, give him a rest

In: Jamison
Out: Browne

Thomas -gibbs
Didak-Carrazzo
Medhurst-Jamison
Reid / whoever plays for Rocca-Thornton
Davis-armfield
Cloke-Setanta

Really tough call this week, I doubt many will be able to predict the match ups and exclusions.

[thylacine60]

It's called an opinion and everyone is entitled to that, we don't live in Zimbabwe do we?? If you feel the need to berate your fellow supporters to boost your own ego then i'd suggest the Collingwood board may cater more to your needs!

You lying dog. You told me you lived in Zimbabwe. :mad:

[a1118374]

Wiggins would keep his position. He's done enough at this stage. Once again until someone from the bullants are dominating I can't see him being dropped (maybe towards seasons end if/when we can't make finals)

I don't think dropping Setanta is the option. If Collingwood are lacking talls is it ideal for us. Move Waite forward or to the wing and keep setanta on Cloke.

Browne out imo, give him a rest

In: Jamison
Out: Browne

Thomas -gibbs
Didak-Carrazzo
Medhurst-Jamison
Reid / whoever plays for Rocca-Thornton
Davis-armfield
Cloke-Setanta

Really tough call this week, I doubt many will be able to predict the match ups and exclusions.

yeh im with ya on the matchups. waite situation will be interesting.

[Blue History]

Wiggins would keep his position. He's done enough at this stage. Once again until someone from the bullants are dominating I can't see him being dropped (maybe towards seasons end if/when we can't make finals)

I don't think dropping Setanta is the option. If Collingwood are lacking talls is it ideal for us. Move Waite forward or to the wing and keep setanta on Cloke.

Browne out imo, give him a rest

In: Jamison
Out: Browne

Thomas -gibbs
Didak-Carrazzo
Medhurst-Jamison
Reid / whoever plays for Rocca-Thornton
Davis-armfield
Cloke-Setanta

Really tough call this week, I doubt many will be able to predict the match ups and exclusions.

Tough men like Gibbs should play on little boys like Thomas it just aint fair!! :eek:

If it happens Thomas will sh!t himself after watching the Gibbs play on Cornes and slaughter his arse :D

[Salt Lake Cities]

You lying dog. You told me you lived in Zimbabwe. :mad:
Don't go blowing my cover Thy, i've been hiding for years. It's really not that bad over here:eek:;)

[davis_756]

Setanta should play chb and have waite go to chf be a much better looking side

[thylacine60]

Don't go blowing my cover Thy, i've been hiding for years. It's really not that bad over here:eek:;)

Was thinking about the club's own Democratic Movement For Change the other day. I took my vote down in person to make sure it got there and got counted. Seems like a long time ago now. It was the start of the transformation that we are now starting to reap the benefits of. What joy going psycho in the car Sunday night. The woman sitting next to me thinks I'm mad. We all know I am. Who cares? Great stuff. CFC - nearly back.

[Jeremias]

Jamison is the only inclusion for mine.

Browne will probably be rested. Unlucky for him, because he's been fantastic, but a rest, and a couple of games in the Ants, will do him the world of good. He'll be back though :thumbsu:

I wouldn't rush Bannister in, he's important to us and there's no use rushing him back in only to risk him injuring himself again. Be on the cautious side of things and wait until he's ready to return.

Wiggins should not be dropped. He provides a fantastic option up forward, is a great grab for his size. When Fev is being blanketet, we often see Wiggins the one that steps up and provides a strong marking option around the 50. He'll stay in.

[daics cousin]

Tough men like Gibbs should play on little boys like Thomas it just aint fair!! :eek:

If it happens Thomas will sh!t himself after watching the Gibbs play on Cornes and slaughter his arse :D

Don't get too excited,about gibbs.that suibb was playing on an injured Cornes. Thomas should account for squibby gibbs. Your problem this week is to counter not one or two attacking players but 13.Collingwood will be without Rocca and maybe Clokey,but the game plan malthouse is developing is that we are not reliant on one or two or three players to kick goals we are developing an entire team that shares the goal kicking.
over the past few weeks we have had over 13 players share the goal kicking.Against melbourne,our goal kicking was shared by didak,thomas,davis,cloke,wellingham,burns,obree, lockyer,medhurst and we will have pendlebury back plus our backmen kicked goals,brown,shaw and obrien chipped in.This week hopefully reid to play and dawes to debut.
We are not the same team you guys met,8 weeks ago.Collingwood are starting to put the pedal down,and sure we played average footy against the dees, just doing enough to get the win.We are saving ourselves to give you guys a shallacking of the highest proportions this week.
Even judd won't save you,this time around.

[Doza]

Against melbourne,our goal kicking was shared by didak,thomas,davis,cloke,wellingham,burns,obree, lockyer,medhurst and we will have pendlebury back plus our backmen kicked goals,brown,shaw and obrien chipped in.

So when you say that against Melbourne you shared the goals around, Cloke included, do you mean sharing as in Cloke shared in the excitement as he watched someone else kick the goal? 'Cause he sure didn't kick one himself! And Burns and O'bree, they shared in the excitement too as they sipped from their water bottles as someone else kicked a goal? Didn't see them on the goal kickers list either.

Aren't you a fountain of football knowledge.

[daics cousin]

So when you say that against Melbourne you shared the goals around, Cloke included, do you mean sharing as in Cloke shared in the excitement as he watched someone else kick the goal? 'Cause he sure didn't kick one himself! And Burns and O'bree, they shared in the excitement too as they sipped from their water bottles as someone else kicked a goal? Didn't see them on the goal kickers list either.

Aren't you a fountain of football knowledge.

Ha Ha let's just wait till Sunday !
No doubt the blues will be good side but not quite yet.
You guys will be a much better side from next year .

[Jeremias]

Ha Ha let's just wait till Sunday !
No doubt the blues will be good side but not quite yet.
You guys will be a much better side from next year .

Way to avoid the point.

You were shown up to be a fool by a Carlton supporter who seemed to know more about your game yesterday than you do.

Get out of here.

[Blues_Man]

It's called an opinion and everyone is entitled to that, we don't live in Zimbabwe do we?? If you feel the need to berate your fellow supporters to boost your own ego then i'd suggest the Collingwood board may cater more to your needs!

Opinions are like arseholes .everyone has one ..and most of them stink ..including yours.

[one_twelve112]

No changes unless Eddie pulls up sore, in which case;

In: Pfeiffer
Out: Betts

[wdgann]

out setanta? with all due respect to thornton, setanta has shown he much better form in the last few weeks. thornton looked slower yesterday, and carlos is a better spoiler, faster and more versatile. if one big defender has to go, i will be dissapointed to see irish out.

Agree, I don't believe in dropping players that are in good form for team balance purposes

[KnaveyBlue]

Setanta was outstanding vs Port, dropping him would be madness.

[Gilly1972]

Wiggins is an experienced, stronger, player who adds some balance to the side, and started to take it on himself to block and provide protection for Judd, need to leave him in for mine.

[The Thug]

Setanta was outstanding vs Port, dropping him would be madness.


Agreed.
Setanta should be an automatic selection going forward, if only for the attitude and aggression he injects to the team.
He also needs to be played so that he can get the hang of the game. He's got the athletic ability and he should be a polished enough player by the time the Blues become genuine contenders, which by my reckoning is still 2-3 years away.

[ECHUCABOY]

Wiggins is an experienced, stronger, player who adds some balance to the side, and started to take it on himself to block and provide protection for Judd, need to leave him in for mine.

If you have a copy of the game, watch Wiggins second half his hands in the wet were fantastic. He has been playing some bloody good footy in that lead up role and his defensive pressure has been great. Great to see him getting a chance and taking it in a very difficult role.

He has to stay. Sentanta is an out and out spud, the number of times he punches the ball back into play and not defensively is ridiculous and whenever he gets the ball and runs I cringe. He had a couple of massive stuff ups on Sunday.

Jamison to come in and hopefully that will be the last we see of Setanta.

Only change for the week.

[blues_future]

Wow, why is Setanta now everyone's whipping boy? He is our only tall defender. Waite got towelled by Cloke first time last year and is NOT a CHB. He cannot play on an opponent who uses his body. Again on Sunday Tredrea, who last had a kick in about 2005, pushed him out of the way too many times. Waitey is great value, despite the brainfades, but he is not a CHB. I see him as a Chad Cornes onballer. neither Jamo nor TBird are tall enough for Cloke and the Pies used Fraser up forwad last week, so if we don't play Setanta, they'll do that again. TBird to Didak as per last time ditto Jamo on Medhurst. I'd like Ando for Davis and Armfield on Thomas.

If Jamo comes in a more likely change is Waite to CHF and Fish out. Fish has great hands but unless he marks within 40 metres from goal, and has his kicking boots on, he doesn't hurt. The oppo know if he takes 20 marks outside 50, that's 20 wonky passes of 15 metres that can be intercepted. If Fish plays it has to be deep forward where his contested marking can hurt.

If Jamo is match fit for a tough game then I'm not sure who we drop, perhaps Browne, prehaps Hammer (despite Big Ks last qtr can we take three rucks into the game?) Maybe Browne, didn't see the second half so not sure how he went. I think Wiggo provides a tough contest and is likely to stay in.

I think in the last few weeks Setanta has proved that he is our only genuinely tall defender. He had an AFL high number of spoils again at the weekend. I am not sure what he has to do to impress some Carlton supporters. And if I hear anymore about supposedly poor disposal, I would refer you to about 15 players in our side with disposal worse than Setanta.

Jamo and TBird are better suited to medium talls and medium smalls , Waite is better suited to attacking the ball rather than stopping an opponent

[a1118374]

If Jamo is match fit for a tough game then I'm not sure who we drop, perhaps Browne, prehaps Hammer (despite Big Ks last qtr can we take three rucks into the game?) Maybe Browne, didn't see the second half so not sure how he went. I think Wiggo provides a tough contest and is likely to stay in.


i think browne is the man to have a run back with the ants. 3 rucks to stay no question. Our next best forward to fev is either cloke or kreuze. Fish has had little impact. I also liked hammers game the other day, had a prescence around the ground. Need to see the replay still however

[ECHUCABOY]

I have to admit I do look at the things he does wrong a lot more thoroughly than what he does well.

Sentanta is put simply not quite a forward, not quite a ruckman and not quite a key back. If he were to play on Richo, Brown, Bradshaw, Franklin he would get towled up, the only way I can see him gettin a game is if Bower remains out. Or against a team like the roos who hale and petrie resting up forward.

He is just not bright enough, he is overly aggressive and doesn't think on the football field.

I would love him to be a key back and to release other players forward. However as I have been saying since october we need Waite to play on the games best, for at least this year. The way Bower and Jamo are coming along is great and hopefully they will again bulk up over summer and be ready to hold down CHB.

Sentata is a great athlete, but a maniac and in closing, isn't a footballers asshole

[blues_future]

Sentata is a great athlete, but a maniac and in closing, isn't a footballers assholeWho is this Sentata / Sentanta you speak of?

basically we have no-one else who can play on talls. He has played on Richo once and limited him to a reasonable game, Richo flogged jamo in round one - too tall. He has played on Brown for 7 and a half qtrs and conceded 6. Waite played on Brown for 4 and a half qtrs and conceded 13, then Waitey replaced jamo on Bradshaw (who hadn't had a kick) and lost 4 one on ones in a row). Waite is an onballer who stands in the back half. The only quality opponent he has beaten or broke even with is Riewoldt, and next time I would think Riewoldt would take him towards goal and play him body on body. Waite is great value but not at beating a big quality opponent. Who has a proven track record on the oppos really tall players?

[Doza]

Waite got towelled by Cloke first time last year and is NOT a CHB.

If I remember correctly, Waite actually played on Rocca and beat him and Bower towelled up Cloke last time! But good on you:thumbsu::rolleyes:

[gbatman]

No Change.

[blues_future]

If I remember correctly, Waite actually played on Rocca and beat him and Bower towelled up Cloke last time! But good on you.

Yeah I think first time last year is a different game to first time this year Doza, but good on you.

[TheGeneral]

Yeah I think first time last year is a different game to first time this year Doza, but good on you.
Waite and Bower beat Rocca and Cloke this year.

Setanta isn't our best tall defender when Jamison held Bradshaw goalless.

Thanks Denis....

[blues_future]

I'd actually call Bradshaw medium tall, like Lloyd, both of whom Jamo has been very good against, but against the extra height of Richo for instance, he struggled. But if you want to call Jamo our best player for playing on the oppositions biggest forward, then play him on Cloke, and find someone else to play on Medhurst. I think Ratts has made the point a few times that Jamo shouldn't have to give away massive height and weight to opponents.

I am aware who played on who this year. I was actually referring to the only time Waite played on Cloke, which from memory was the first time round last year, and Cloke beat him easily

[mightymightyblues]

Rocca is listed as available on the AFL site? Yet Malthouse stated this he will miss the next 3-4 weeks.. so is he up to his pre-game mind games or will Rocca be rested? :confused:

[Salopek31]

Wow, why is Setanta now everyone's whipping boy? He is our only tall defender. Waite got towelled by Cloke first time last year and is NOT a CHB. He cannot play on an opponent who uses his body. Again on Sunday Tredrea, who last had a kick in about 2005, pushed him out of the way too many times.

Sorry but I just couldn't resist commenting on this. You clearly haven't watched too many Port games this year if you think Tredrea last got a kick in 2005 as he's been near enough to our best player so far this season. FWIW though I agree Setanta should get the jobs on the big forwards, Waite should be the playmaker.

[The Thug]

I have to admit I do look at the things he does wrong a lot more thoroughly than what he does well.

Sentanta is put simply not quite a forward, not quite a ruckman and not quite a key back. If he were to play on Richo, Brown, Bradshaw, Franklin he would get towled up, the only way I can see him gettin a game is if Bower remains out. Or against a team like the roos who hale and petrie resting up forward.

He is just not bright enough, he is overly aggressive and doesn't think on the football field.

I would love him to be a key back and to release other players forward. ....

Sentata is a great athlete, but a maniac and in closing, isn't a footballers asshole


You have just about described Kouta's early years (excpet for the aggro, maniac bit).
I am more interested in the sort of player Setanta *can* become.

[aaronmx]

be good to see edwards get a game against his cousin.

does anyone think he is a chance?

[K.Simpson]

IN: Jamison
Out: Browne

[ECHUCABOY]

You have just about described Kouta's early years (excpet for the aggro, maniac bit).
I am more interested in the sort of player Setanta *can* become.

Sorry for the sentatatana spelling in my previous post, was a tad tired yesterday. I'd love to see him as a regular key back and believe that is his only possible chance of staying at the Blues.

He just needs to realise he should not be kicking the football or if he does it should be long to advantage. And surely our backs coach has told him not to punch the ball back into play!!! So hopefully he will stop doing that.

I'm finding it hard to see him staying in the side with Jamo and waitey back in and bower futher down the track. Especially with Walker, Bannister and Hadley due back. I know I'd rather drop Setanta so either of these 3 can run off half back and Jamo or Waite take the key forwards...

Anyway good luck too him, he'll need the luck of the irish, good trade bait I reckon.