Judd or Ablett?

[Hodgepodge]

As far as i can tell the choice is obvious, yet Garry Lyon actually put Judd ahead of gazza on Footy Classified last night.

[delirious1]

Ablett, i said he has to keep up his form over a year to be considered the best, and he has.

He's over-taken judd

[Palmer Stoat]

But what are we talking about? This year? Career? Where we think they'll end up?

Ablett's clearly ahead over the last 18 months. But Judd is clearly ahead over their careers. If Judd can fully recover from his groin problems, I'd still pick him to have the better career. But I suspect it's six of one half-a-dozen of the other. They're both guns. Both groups of supporters are lucky to have them.

[Hodgepodge]

Garry said at the moment judd is the better player

[parrot]

Judd's lightyears ahead of the next best player in the AFL. The guy is a machine. Opposition routinely need to rotate 3-4 players off him, because there is just no one in the AFL that can go with Judd for 4 quarters. Selwood went with Judd for about 60% of the game V Weagles and almost collapsed with exhaustion in the last quarter. Remember also judd is only at about 70% of his usual fitness level at the moment, and it terms of midfielder development has a lot more unfulfilled potential, which we'll no doubt see after some coaching from Ratten, Bradley and Greg Williams. A Superstar. :)

[Hodgepodge]

Judd's lightyears ahead of the next best player in the AFL. The guy is a machine. Opposition routinely need to rotate 3-4 players off him, because there is just no one in the AFL that can go with Judd for 4 quarters. Selwood went with Judd for about 60% of the game V Weagles and almost collapsed with exhaustion in the last quarter. Remember also judd is only at about 70% of his usual fitness level at the moment, and it terms of midfielder development has a lot more unfulfilled potential, which we'll no doubt see after some coaching from Ratten, Bradley and Greg Williams. A Superstar. :)

I also hear his tears cure cancer :rolleyes:

[parrot]

Should add that Judd's been an outstanding captain this year. Leads from the front and is a brilliant role model for the Blues very large developing top-shelf talent pool. :)

[Big Nasty]

Judd hit his prime at a young age, while Ablett is hitting his now.

[Marc Shmurf 3]

I love the comparison of a 80% fit Judd to a 100% fit Ablett. Im not taking anything away from Ablett, as he is clearly one of the best players in the competition, but lets go back to round 8 of last year.... Judd had 16 votes in the brownlow, polled in 8 consecutive games and then broke down. If he didnt it would have been the biggest avalanche ever seen. Give Judd a full pre-season and then re-assess.

Some people have short memories...

[Tarquin]

Both champions, Geelong and Carlton are both lucky to have these players.

Hawthorn are lucky to have a champion in Franklin, these players bring spectators to the football.

Why bother saying who is better, we should just thank our lucky stars that the AFL currently has 3 players which you could put a valid argument towards being the best player in the league.

[BacharHouli_43]

Ablett, the form he is in, reminds me of judd from a couple of years ago. Juddy is a little restricted atm, once he gets over all the niggles he will get the strength in his kicking back and start doing more damage going forward

[burto]

I love the comparison of a 80% fit Judd to a 100% fit Ablett. Im not taking anything away from Ablett, as he is clearly one of the best players in the competition, but lets go back to round 8 of last year.... Judd had 16 votes in the brownlow, polled in 8 consecutive games and then broke down. If he didnt it would have been the biggest avalanche ever seen. Give Judd a full pre-season and then re-assess.

Some people have short memories...

Yes but the umpires get erections whenever Judd gets the ball. All he needs is 15 touches and he gets the 3 votes

[murph#3]

there's a difference between the most in-form player and the best player. judd is clearly hampered by an injury atm. he had no pre-season and it doesn't matter how good you are it is extremely difficult to play when you've had no pre-season. if judd can get a full pre-season under his belt next year and returns to full fitness and gains full power in his body he will rip the comp a new one. this year, he has been forced to develop his inside, contested game and he has taken that to a new level. he is the best inside player in the comp now. when he gets back his outside game next year, and he can add his new and improved inside game to his outside game, he willbe unstoppable. he will be the best inside player in the comp and the best outside player in the comp. then everyone will start debating who the 2nd best player in the league is out of buddy and ablett, cos there'll just be no competition for first place.

[Claude Balls]

Going by the premise of the OP, which is based on Gary Lyon's perplexing comment about who you would currently take out of Ablett or Judd, the answer is clearly Ablett. I don't think everyone who has voted in this poll has twigged that we are debating current form.

[Carn Hawkas]

I would rather Ablett. No doubt about it.

[walkers a legend]

Judd if you had him for his whole carrer but for this year so far i would take Gablett.

[Hodgepodge]

it's definitely about current form, and garry said if he was picking a team right now he would pick judd . . .

[ppg05]

It seems the question is simply "Who would you rather", "Who is better", or "Who would you pick out of these two". How you choose to pick is up to you, some would go on current form, some on career form, some on potential.

Therefore:

Judd = Leadership qualities, great inspiration to young players, revenue for the club in sponsorships, memberships, and ticket sales, a high percentage of your clubs salary cap, a proven match-winner, the best player when fully fit, one of the best players when not fully fit.

Ablett = great inspiration to young players, a medium amount of salary cap space (more so after this year), a proven match-winner, the best current player in the afl.

I would pick Judd, due to providing more, but I am biased no doubt.

[Hodgepodge]

judd shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as ablett at the moment, just goes to show how much the media goes by reputation.

[anti.]

Eagles Judd >>>>> Gary Ablett >>>>>> Carlton Judd

[Dewy006]

If starting a new team and had too choose between the 2 i would say i would take judd, just fractionally ahead of gablett

[Hodgepodge]

Eagles Judd >>>>> Gary Ablett >>>>>> Carlton Judd

I think he's actually gone past eagles judd, just because he can do it all, he can send the ball inside 50 and then mark it if it gets kicked out to the midfield again.

[hellfire]

Hate to say it, because I love Juddy, but from what we've now seen of Ablett, I'd take him over a 100% Judd.

[anti.]

I think he's actually gone past eagles judd, just because he can do it all, he can send the ball inside 50 and then mark it if it gets kicked out to the midfield again.

nah, no way. in his prime, judd was No.1.

he had it all really: pace, acceleration, evasiveness, long kick, a goal a game and he lifted every time we needed him to. he was a deadset gun from the 2004-early 07 period before he got injured.

Ablett's been a gun from 07...judd was up for longer.

i also think in time when his groin heals, he'll get back up there above ablett.

[Fortress Hawk]

people forget just how good judd was and still is! he was a machine the best first 100 games ever played by anyone! when fully fit you have to choose judd he is so much more explosive then ablett! Ablett gets a huge amount of ball fed to him from marks from his team mates. Judd at his best gets the ball from the pack and explodes out of it!
At this very moment on form of course you pick ablett he will win the brownlow! but of what they have achieved to so far and consistency over there whole career judd wins hand down!
Judd is still only 24, Ablett is 25 and judd has been doing it since day dot!

[Top_4_Tiger]

People have short memories.

Chris Judd was talked about as possibly the greatest player of all time as he won the premiership for West Coast.

An 80% Judd is equal to a 100% Ablett.

A 100% Judd is breathtaking.

[Campbell's Chunky]

Ablett by the length of a black man.

Ablett is even better than Judd was in his prime, let alone now that Juddy is struggling.

[Joey Bungle]

As far as i can tell the choice is obvious, yet Garry Lyon actually put Judd ahead of gazza on Footy Classified last night.

Because Garry Lyon is an idiot who knows nobody watches the shit (like me) so nobody can see him MAKE a ________ AGAIN of himself.
Someone told me several weeks ago, Lyon said Ablett & Franklin were the best.
How his agenda has changed?

[Skeppersap]

people forget just how good judd was and still is! he was a machine the best first 100 games ever played by anyone! when fully fit you have to choose judd he is so much more explosive then ablett! Ablett gets a huge amount of ball fed to him from marks from his team mates. Judd at his best gets the ball from the pack and explodes out of it!
At this very moment on form of course you pick ablett he will win the brownlow! but of what they have achieved to so far and consistency over there whole career judd wins hand down!
Judd is still only 24, Ablett is 25 and judd has been doing it since day dot!

Did you just make up 'facts' to support your argument? The players birth dates:

Gary Ablett Jr - May 14 1984
Chris Judd - September 8 1983

No doubt Judd has achieved more, but that could well be changed by the end of this year. Ablett should win the Brownlow. If he doesnt, it just shows that the Brownlow is not a good indicator of who is better, because Ablett SHOULD have won it last year. Dont get me wrong, I was extremely happy for Jimmy Bartel who is a worthy Brownlow Medallist, but Ablett was more deserving. Everyone who follows Geelong closely would acknowledge this. Every other award went to Ablett!

Also, the Judd name earns him awards. TBH, he probably didnt deserve the Norm Smith in WCE GF loss. Roberts-Thompson was best on ground. Judd got it because he was named Judd.

Awards aside, my biased opinion is that Abletts form in the past 1.5 years is eclipsing what Judd ever produced.

Ablett just needs to keep going for more years and he will end up being the better player. Judd did it from a phenomenally early age, which Ablett didnt do. Going by his bloodlines and how his dad developed late, I feel that Ablett hasnt peaked yet. he will one day make a brilliant forward.

Oh yeah, and I bet Ablett costs a ____load less!

[BigKegs]

Judd was a super player because he was bloody quick and had an awesome side step. Quick players will always attract more attention even if they are crap players. Judd at his peak was breathtaking to watch because he had exception evasive skills, could burn grass and could kick goals. Ablett is not as quick nor is he as agile but overall he is more entertaining because he doesn't rely on pace. The fact that he is so hard to tackle and has better skills than Judd. Judd relies alot on pace and agility to break loose whereas Ablett (apart from his strength) just somehow finds a way to handball it infront of him or something arsey of that nature.

Having said that, Judd did carry the WCE and achieved alot during that time. Ablett is a late boomer so we wont know who is better until the end of their careers. This could be another Hird Vs Voss Vs Buckley Vs Ricciuto debate.

[WorthTheWaite]

Eagles Judd >>>>> Gary Ablett >>>>>> Carlton Judd
I'm inclined to agree with this, but I think your use of ">" is excessive.

If Judd was 100% I would take him, but right now I would take Ablett on playing ability.

[wce4premiership]

Judd.

[JDC!]

Right now the best out of the two is Ablett. But I would take Judd at his best over Ablett most days of the week. If Judd didn't get injured last season, he would have won the Brownlow by a record margin - not that that means much considering Ablett was robbed of a couple of votes last year. Both players are extremely hard to tackle.

[TheSwoopingMagpie]

Ablett.
Judd seems too injury prone, and doesn't look as if he'll ever full recover from his OP if he keeps playing through niggles like he is now.

Ablett is an absolute machine, the core strength of that guy amazes me everytime I see him play. And his stamina is up there with Judd, don't doubt it.

You also have to remember that Ablett is part of a Geelong midfield featuring Bartel Corey Ling and Selwood, so it isn't exactly easy for him to get 30 touches week in-week out.

[WorthTheWaite]

You also have to remember that Ablett is part of a Geelong midfield featuring Bartel Corey Ling and Selwood, so it isn't exactly easy for him to get 30 touches week in-week out.
And Judd didn't have the likes of Kerr, Cousins, Embley et al to contend with?

In any case, you could also look at it in the sense that it means opposition teams have to worry about more players and Ablett becomes less of a focal point than if he was the sole star. Also, it means he has better players around him to get the hard-ball and draw other players into the game/be in the right spot for the handball receive/shepherd etc, so it makes his job easier.

Not taking anything away, just saying that we don't "have to remember" anything, because there are two sides to every coin.

[Monkeyboy]

Judd. The king of the contested possession.
But Ablett is very very good!

[TheSwoopingMagpie]

And Judd didn't have the likes of Kerr, Cousins, Embley et al to contend with?

In any case, you could also look at it in the sense that it means opposition teams have to worry about more players and Ablett becomes less of a focal point than if he was the sole star. Also, it means he has better players around him to get the hard-ball and draw other players into the game/be in the right spot for the handball receive/shepherd etc, so it makes his job easier.

Not taking anything away, just saying that we don't "have to remember" anything, because there are two sides to every coin.

I disagree with you. Ablett always gets the hardest tag for obvious reasons, and when a side is playing Geelong and they tag someone, they really tag them. Ablett seems to shake these tags week in, week out and pick up non-contested touches and contested touches. He also has the capacity to kick 5 goals in a game and be a real match-winner.

Not that Judd can't win you matches :)

[Macquarie Eagle]

The thing is, if Judd was still playing for the Eagles, Carlton would be voting Ablett.

Fact.

[Skeppersap]

The thing is, if Judd was still playing for the Eagles, Carlton would be voting Ablett.

Fact.

hahahahaha, never a truer word has been spoken.

I laugh at all these Carlton supporters who all of a sudden, come trade period, started claiming that Judd was the best player in the land.

[donbooger]

The thing is, if Judd was still playing for the Eagles, Carlton would be voting Ablett.

Fact.

If Judd was still at WC, Murphy would have been mentioned a few times in this thread.

[Big Bad Sammus]

I love the comparison of a 80% fit Judd to a 100% fit Ablett. Im not taking anything away from Ablett, as he is clearly one of the best players in the competition, but lets go back to round 8 of last year.... Judd had 16 votes in the brownlow, polled in 8 consecutive games and then broke down. If he didnt it would have been the biggest avalanche ever seen. Give Judd a full pre-season and then re-assess.

Some people have short memories...

C. Judd (3 votes) is THE BEST inside player in the AFL - 16 contested posessions last weekend. An awesome talent not yet matched by anyone else in the league. I just can't wait until next season - boy it's goin to be a corker! Then I'd like to see where these poll's end up! (still, we are going to see alot of biased comments especially from Hawthorn supporters, but we're already used to that).

I am so with you on your entire post :thumbsu: but I do have to say that Ablett and Franklin are currently the best at the moment respectively, with Judd right on their a$$es (at 75-80% fitness).

[Keithy George]

I'd have to say Judd. Ablett is a brilliant player and I love watching him, but Judd has been brilliant since day one, Ablett needs to string a few of these seasons together.

[Big Nasty]

C. Judd (3 votes) is THE BEST inside player in the AFL - 16 contested posessions last weekend. An awesome talent not yet matched by anyone else in the league. I just can't wait until next season - boy it's goin to be a corker! Then I'd like to see where these poll's end up! (still, we are going to see alot of biased comments especially from Hawthorn supporters, but we're already used to that).

I am so with you on your entire post :thumbsu: but I do have to say that Ablett and Franklin are currently the best at the moment respectively, with Judd right on their a$$es (at 75-80% fitness).
Thats Just rubbish & Carlton & Judd are just saying that because of all the hype & expectations on Judd this season. Watching him the last few weeks he is clearly back to his best.

[Cats!!]

People have short memories.

Chris Judd was talked about as possibly the greatest player of all time as he won the premiership for West Coast.

An 80% Judd is equal to a 100% Ablett.

A 100% Judd is breathtaking.

Firstly... Judd was never talked about as the greatest player of all time, he would not be mentioned in the same breath as Carey, Ablett Snr and Mathews.
And if Judd is 80% now then Ablett smokes him. Judd has been hyped up by the media this year and was extremely lucky to make the all-star game, as he made it on reputation.

[Quinz]

Judd 100% > Ablett 100% > Judd now.

So Ablett at this exact stage I guess.

[Hodgepodge]

Did you just make up 'facts' to support your argument? The players birth dates:

Gary Ablett Jr - May 14 1984
Chris Judd - September 8 1983

No doubt Judd has achieved more, but that could well be changed by the end of this year. Ablett should win the Brownlow. If he doesnt, it just shows that the Brownlow is not a good indicator of who is better, because Ablett SHOULD have won it last year. Dont get me wrong, I was extremely happy for Jimmy Bartel who is a worthy Brownlow Medallist, but Ablett was more deserving. Everyone who follows Geelong closely would acknowledge this. Every other award went to Ablett!

Also, the Judd name earns him awards. TBH, he probably didnt deserve the Norm Smith in WCE GF loss. Roberts-Thompson was best on ground. Judd got it because he was named Judd.

Awards aside, my biased opinion is that Abletts form in the past 1.5 years is eclipsing what Judd ever produced.

Ablett just needs to keep going for more years and he will end up being the better player. Judd did it from a phenomenally early age, which Ablett didnt do. Going by his bloodlines and how his dad developed late, I feel that Ablett hasnt peaked yet. he will one day make a brilliant forward.

Oh yeah, and I bet Ablett costs a ____load less!

Spot on, he won the Norm Smith on reputation, he won the Glendinning at least once on reputation, he's in the top 3 players in the AFL right now on reputation, he is nothing but a very good player at the moment, not a gun by any means, yet people are putting him above ablett?? Please. Ablett did some miraculous things on Friday night, and even though i wanted the Kangaroos to win the game so the Hawks could go a game up, i still wanted to see Ablett play and he didn't disappoint, did some breathtaking stuff that i've not seen anyone do before, bar Kouta 2000.

[Hodgepodge]

People have short memories.

Chris Judd was talked about as possibly the greatest player of all time as he won the premiership for West Coast.

An 80% Judd is equal to a 100% Ablett.

A 100% Judd is breathtaking.

80% Judd is about 7 contested possessions ahead of 80% Luke Ball.

[takeabowtredders]

If Judd is 80% right now then there is no way he is equal to Ablett.

Ablett is clearly the best midfielder in the competition with several light years in between him and the next in line. He is also probably the best player in the comp slightly ahead of Buddy. His ability to dodge tackles effortlessly, in my honest opinion, made him look better than Judd. He is almost untouchable these days, and if you do manage to grab him he gets rid of the ball immediately.

Obviously I'm a bit biased, but I still reckon that Ablett is currently better than Judd was at his peak, and when you watch him it's incredible. Ablett is pretty breathtaking as he is, and the best thing is that based on his form in the past 2 years, he hasn't hit his peak yet.

[Hodgepodge]

i don't know how 80judd gets mentioned as an elite at all, doesn't rate alongside ablett, franklin, brown, cooney and so on.

[Monkeyboy]

i don't know how 80judd gets mentioned as an elite at all, doesn't rate alongside ablett, franklin, brown, cooney and so on.

Probably because he has been the best player in the comp for the past 5 years, has had a major set back, and will re assume that position as comp best from 2009 onwards.

This year will be a little disppointing for Judd, but he will still poll 18 plus votes in the brownlow and make All Australian. So depending on how far your so on goes, he is very much elite.

Hodge aint thou!

[Hodgepodge]

Hodge 22 disposals, 8 inside 50s, 3 goals, 60% gametime
Judd 30 touches

Let's not even argue this shit, judd's underdone i know but that doesn't change the fact that at the moment he isn't ablett's lower intestine.

[Monkeyboy]

Hodge 22 disposals, 8 inside 50s, 3 goals, 60% gametime
Judd 30 touches

Let's not even argue this shit, judd's underdone i know but that doesn't change the fact that at the moment he isn't ablett's lower intestine.
An underdone Judd is about Ablett at present. 2 standout mids in the comp, with Judd showing us last week why he is number 1. Hawks supporters always seem hassled by the Juddmeister. Be happy with Hodgey! He has been a solid contributor.

[Skeppersap]

An underdone Judd is about Ablett at present. 2 standout mids in the comp, with Judd showing us last week why he is number 1. Hawks supporters always seem hassled by the Juddmeister. Be happy with Hodgey! He has been a solid contributor.

Hahahahahahhahaha,

If you are saying that Current Judd = Current Ablett, you lose all credibility.

Ablett is currently MUCH ore valuable than Judd.

[Power King]

They're both ridiculously skilled.

I'd happily swap thurstans for ablett, and lonie for judd, with both clubs.

Who is better? Really there is no difference to me. Outcome is biased toward ablett over the past season due to judd's injury, but it's obvious judd is getting back to his once supreme level.

It's like arguing over what's better - $100.00 and $100.10

____all difference when you're at the top

[Macquarie Eagle]

They're both ridiculously skilled.

I'd happily swap thurstans for ablett, and lonie for judd, with both clubs.

Who is better? Really there is no difference to me. Outcome is biased toward ablett over the past season due to judd's injury, but it's obvious judd is getting back to his once supreme level.

It's like arguing over what's better -$100.00 and $100.10

____all difference when you're at the top

I would go the $100.10 as opposed to -$100.

[Hodgepodge]

Hahahahahahhahaha,

If you are saying that Current Judd = Current Ablett, you lose all credibility.

Ablett is currently MUCH ore valuable than Judd.

it took the media 5 years to figure out Kouta was shit after his knee injuries, it'll take them 10 years to figure out that 08 judd might not be as good as 08 ablett.

[Claude Balls]

An underdone Judd is about Ablett at present. 2 standout mids in the comp, with Judd showing us last week why he is number 1. Hawks supporters always seem hassled by the Juddmeister. Be happy with Hodgey! He has been a solid contributor.

Geez you are such a loser! Change your damn profile to display who you really barrack for...

[Hodgepodge]

Geez you are such a loser! Change your damn profile to display who you really barrack for...

It's all too obvious, isn't it?

[walken79]

I can't believe this is even worth pondering for some.... Judd would barely make the top 20 at the minute- Gazza on the other hand is easily the best player in the league. Easily.

[Claude Balls]

It's all too obvious, isn't it?

Blatant... he must think it's a well concieved running gag or something. I'm not sure anyone finds it remotely funny though...

[Juddernaut08]

Blatant... he must think it's a well concieved running gag or something. I'm not sure anyone finds it remotely funny though...

I find it funny

[year of the cat]

Has Judd ever taken an overhead mark? Ablett has more strings to his bow.

[wce4premiership]

Has Judd ever taken an overhead mark? Ablett has more strings to his bow.
He has.

You're displaying your lack of knowledge about judd.

[Big Nasty]

He has.

You're displaying your lack of knowledge about judd.
And your displaying your obsession with Judd, and you need to get over the past.

[RhEF JC]

And your displaying your obsession with Judd, and you need to get over the past.

hahahahaha! yeah, you're right. That was a completely irrational post, based only on unrestricted passion.

[Hodgepodge]

He has.

You're displaying your lack of knowledge about judd.

I think i saw him take one, but it might have been a chest mark . . .

[DTHitman]

Present:
Ablett

Past (last 5 years when the player hit there prime, ablett is 2008):
I would take Cousins before Ablett and Judd ...
1. Cousins
2. Judd
3. Ablett

[DK#8]

Has Judd ever taken an overhead mark? Ablett has more strings to his bow.

Well it makes it hard when you struggle getting your hands above your head

[SA HAWK]

Over their careers so far - Judd.
Over the last 2 years - Ablett.

[Macquarie Eagle]

Can I change my vote to Ablett?

Wow.

[Makka]

After being at the game tonight and seeing Ablett in action I'd have to say Ablett. The guy is a freak and an amazing player! Absolutely took us apart!

[THE_GUN]

carreer thus far...........judd
last 2 years.......ablett
end of their carreers......................ablett

he is a more damageing player.

[kingyubbo]

Judd but if Ablett keeps growing like he does.... he'll surpass him in no time.

[TredreaWilbur]

Ablett at the moment. Judd for career sofar. Over their whole careers - way to early to tell, there both still young. Especially Judd, everyone seems to think he is past his prime. I still rate Judd over Ablett because Judd gets more contested possessions, has a huge engine and was playing and got awards before all this uncontested, backwards chipping, holding possession @#*! soft footy came along. Stats don't count for much these days honestly. I'm not taking anything away from Ablett - He should win the Bronwlow if he keeps up the way he is. But we should wait and see, Ablett has only broken out last year and this year.

[Jonesy1987]

Ablett now > Eagles Judd

[Eel_storm]

ablett is on fire at the moment, could become the most dominant player i've ever seen . . . dammit.

[TheBigUnit]

Ablett Jnr has reached Judd's level of dominance circa 2005-early 2007. Fantastic to watch, hopefully we can see Judd unrestricted and back in full flight next year.

[SA HAWK]

Ablett this year is better than judd ever was. He isn't as flashy as judd but i would definately take him over judd.

[ZosoCat]

ablett in current form.. judd over whole career

[eaglechick79]

I think Judd in the early days was great, Judd of now still great, but showing signs of tiredness and of course injuries cause of how hard he has been at it over the years, BUT now, abett by far is def the best going around, actually his showing signs of being better then Judd long term, players cant even tackle abett!!

BUT with a father like his l guess you would expect greatness, l wonder if little baby abett (if he comes back!) will be as good!!

[NewBabyBombaz]

Judd's lightyears ahead of the next best player in the AFL. The guy is a machine. Opposition routinely need to rotate 3-4 players off him, because there is just no one in the AFL that can go with Judd for 4 quarters. Selwood went with Judd for about 60% of the game V Weagles and almost collapsed with exhaustion in the last quarter. Remember also judd is only at about 70% of his usual fitness level at the moment, and it terms of midfielder development has a lot more unfulfilled potential, which we'll no doubt see after some coaching from Ratten, Bradley and Greg Williams. A Superstar. :)


Welsh played on him all game, absolutely killed him, yeh boy

[Xsess]

Cousins was(is?) better than both of them.

Because he maintained a level of excellence at or about Ablett's last two years for over a decade.

Judd maintained a similar level for about 4-5 seasons.

Cousins 13 great years,
Judd 4-5 great years,
Ablett 2 great years (but the most potential to add to that indefinately..)

[murph#3]

Welsh played on him all game, absolutely killed him, yeh boy

mate you can't count that. judd was clearly not himself after the headclash, in fact even an hour after the game he was still very groggy. had that incident not happened, he would have torn you blokes a new one just like he did last time, except this time we would have won.

[burto]

Gary Ablett. The guy's a magician. A thief. So slippery. So creative.

[eaglechick79]

mate you can't count that. judd was clearly not himself after the headclash, in fact even an hour after the game he was still very groggy. had that incident not happened, he would have torn you blokes a new one just like he did last time, except this time we would have won.

So are you saying that Judd is the different btn you winning and lossing? last i check carlton had more then one player ;)

[Lynch takes a mark]

Ablett is playing some unbelievable football, might actually have to go with him.

Never thought I would see a midfielder better than Judd come around so quickly, the amount of clearances he wins, amount of goals he kicks and sets up and the amount of times he sidesteps his way past tackles is unbelievable.

[murph#3]

So are you saying that Judd is the different btn you winning and lossing? last i check carlton had more then one player ;)

i'm quite happy to admit we would only have won 2 or 3 games this year without judd.

and against essendon when we hit the led in the last quarter judd would have helped us big time to keep the lead, especially considering how well he played agaisnt you blokes last time when he was less match fit than he is now.

[eaglechick79]

i'm quite happy to admit we would only have won 2 or 3 games this year without judd.

and against essendon when we hit the led in the last quarter judd would have helped us big time to keep the lead, especially considering how well he played agaisnt you blokes last time when he was less match fit than he is now.

WOW l have to admit im shocked anyone would admit to their team being a one man band, but what is more shocking to me here, is Carlton (as much as it kills me to say!) actually have some good younger players coming through, you'd expert that being down the bottom for many years, but your list isn't bad, and l go back to saying again there is not just one player out there winning games for you!

How many other Carlton supporters believe Judd is the only reasons your winning again?:eek:

[murph#3]

WOW l have to admit im shocked anyone would admit to their team being a one man band, but what is more shocking to me here, is Carlton (as much as it kills me to say!) actually have some good younger players coming through, you'd expert that being down the bottom for many years, but your list isn't bad, and l go back to saying again there is not just one player out there winning games for you!

How many other Carlton supporters believe Judd is the only reasons your winning again?:eek:

you're misinterpreting what i am saying. i never took any credit away from the rest of the players. against port adelaide, there were probably 10 players who if they weren't playing we wouldn't have won. but judd has been the ost important this year. when we were losing to melbourne, he brought us back into the game and dominated there onwards i don't know if someone else could have done that. against port, he was our best player and probably kept us in it untl 3/4 time. against west coast, when they came to within 3 points fromt hat point on he willed himself like i've never seen before and won every contested ball or aat least was involved in them and then passed off the winning goal to bryce gibbs. that's 3 games i don't think we would have won if he hadn't have played in. and don't forget, him getting most of the attention frees up the rest of our onballers to play better, if he wasn't there they'd all be getting much closer attention and wouldn't be playing as well as they have. i don't mean to take any credit away from our younger players who have been fantastic this year, but judd has been the difference in at least 3 games this year imo.

[detox]

I think Ablett will end up a better player by the end of their careers. Both freaks though

[geelong_crazy26]

The thing is, if Judd was still playing for the Eagles, Carlton would be voting Ablett.

Fact.
can not blame them really, just trying to get their million and a half dollars worth of value out of him in every possible way.

[Roowards]

ha ha ha I said this last year and every1 laughed and said no way!!!
now you are saying ablett is much better like i said!!!:D:D

look here

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=351974

[Whopper32]

As Fat Boy Slim said, "Right Here, Right Now." Has to be Gaz Jnr.

[murph#3]

The thing is, if Judd was still playing for the Eagles, Carlton would be voting Ablett.

Fact.

that's not true. i can admit that ablett at geelong is better than ablett at carlton. but i still think judd at west coast was better than ablett, why would i even care? what judd did at west coast did nothing for me all i care about is what he's done at carlton, and i think it's pretty obvious he hasn't done as much as ablett has for geelong. going forward, i would still prefer judd because i think if he can ever get full power back in his body he will again be head and shoulders above the rest of the comp.

[Just Kreuzing]

Ablett easily... in rare form, surely it has to subside a bit for a few weeks, but geez he is exciting.

[Hodgepodge]

Judd is now on

$2495 per possession

$84898 per goal

I doubt Ablett would be on that much, mostly because his output is much more.

[hawks_legends]

Ablett for me by a bit.

[jman_cool]

Should add that Judd's been an outstanding captain this year. Leads from the front and is a brilliant role model for the Blues very large developing top-shelf talent pool. :)


He lead West Coast that well:o but I do agree his on field leadership is great.

[dylan_mike]

Yep, Abblett at the moment. Abblett is a star. But probably a little unfair comparison at the moment. The 2 in form Midfileders at the moment are Cooney and Abblett.

[Macquarie Eagle]

Hodge shits on both of them!