2007 Draft - Revisited (Mid Season)

[Tarquin]

If the 2007 draft happened today, who would now be the top ten?

1. Kreuzer
2. Palmer
3. Rioli
4. Masten
5. Morton
6. Myers
7. Cotchin
8. Ebert
9. Wona
10. Taylor

This is obviously based on their AFL performances. Players like Dangerfield, Whitecross and McEvoy have all looked like potentially good pick ups.

[Jeremias]

Based on performances thus far, Kreuzer may not be number 1.

However, we'd still take him with pick 1 without a doubt.

[Benchwarmer77]

1 - Palmer
2 - Cotchin
3 - Rioli
4 - Kreuzer
5 - Masten
6 - Wona
7 - Myers
8 - Ebert
9 - Dangerfield
10 - Taylor

[bombersno1]

WTF, some of you are just silly to say the least. Rioli may get in the bottom part of the 10..but top 3. No way.

1. Kreuzer
2. Cotchin
3. Masten
4. Morton
5. Grant (# Dogs will still take a tall)
6. Myers
7. Palmer
8. Rioli
9. Vezpremi
10. Ebert

[CaleMorton]

are you guys leaving out cale morton because you honestly believe hes no good or you forgot about him. This is just another way of looking at best first year player thus far. my order is.
1. Rhys Palmer
2. Cyril Rioli
3. Chris Masten
4. Matthew Kreuzer
5. WONNA (love this kid)
6. Cale Morton (did have a scocker yday) but otherwise very promising
7. Trent Cotchin (in 2 weeks he will be top 3. A GUN)
8. David Myers
9. Brad Ebert
10. Craig Bird
11. Harry Taylor

[benhawk]

Cotchin will be the best

[melbourne150]

If this is based on there AFL performances then why isn't Morton up there!!!!

He's played some very impressive games, ecspecially against Geelong and Adelaide...

[Tarquin]

Sorry my mistake, I will edit my original post.

Morton does belong up there.

[__aria__]

1 Cotchin

[RooDog]

cotchin is going to be unbelievable especially once he gets some fitness in him, may have died in the 2nd half saturday but was close to bog in the first half.

watch out for Taylor Walker if he gets his chance this year.

[bomba4eva]

If the draft happened today the order would stay exactly the same. Why would you write off your pick half way through their first season especially when a few wouldnt of even played?

In terms of performances Palmer would be no.1. Kruezer has been average. Good on Sunday. Rioli started off well. Been quiet recently. Cotchin may well go on to be the best player from this draft. Note that Palmer was top age and many recruiters would think that other kids have a bigger upside than him. Struggles to hit targets also so I am overjoyed that Essendon passed on him and took Myers.

[IddyBiddy]

On games played this year, not necessarily where i would expect them to finish the year. Palmer has been outstanding. Rioli has dropped off a little, but IMO the clear no. 2 based on performances over a long period. Kruezer looks as though he is building and Cotchin looks a freak. Myers, Bird and Ebert both doing reasonably well and Taylor looks the goods as a KPP. Wona gets less adulation because of his rookie status, but he has been a match winner and a good consistent player.

1.Palmer
2. Rioli
3. Masten
4. Kreuzer
5. Morton
6. Wona
7. Cotchin
8. Myers
9. Ebert
10. Bird/Taylor

[halfback dasher]

1 Cotchin
:thumbsu:

[ARES]

considering Cotchin has had no pre-season, actually didnt play any game until at least round 4or5 and is 1 year younger than Palmer/Masten who both had pre seasons

That said, all 3 will be guns!

[Lynch takes a mark]

1. Cotchin
2. Kreuzer
3. Masten
4. Rioli
5. Palmer
6. Ebert
7. Myers
8. Morton
9. Ward
10. Wilkes ;) (last pick in the rookie draft)

[murph#3]

if i could pick right now to have these playes for the rest of their career, here's the order i'd pick them in:
1-kreuzer
2-cotchin
3-palmer
4-morton
5-ebert
6-rioli
7-masten
8-myers
9-wilkes
10-bird

[Coughlan]

Cotchin at 7?
Some people have no idea at all

Kruezer and Cotchin are still a toss up but I think that Cotchin will be the best player in the long run in the draft, he is special and has that little bit extra.

1. Cotchin
2. Kruezer.
3. Palmer
4. Masten
4. Rioli
5. Morton
6. Ebert
7. Myers
8. Grant

[Eagle Ant]

CMON kruezer No1 Dreaming.

1) Palmer- Will win the NAB rising star
2) Wonamirri- Kids all class
3) Rioli- All class
4) Ebert- Very happy he dropped to 13 now
5) Masten- Is getting better every game (didnt have a pre season either)
6) Cotchin- Looks good but lets see after rnd 22
7) Kruezer- Still got a lot of development to go but not too bad so far.
8) Morton- Will probably be the dark horse later in the year, getting better
9) Taylor- Has been fantastic for the Cats
10) Myers- Looking good so far.
The rest who havent played cant be truthfully put into the top 10 as we dont know how they will go in the big Time

Actual Draft to the end of second Rnd.
Round -Pick - Drafted By -Player- Games Since Drafted
1 - Priority -Carlton -Matthew Kreuzer 9
1 -2 - Richmond -Trent Cotchin 4
1 -3 - West Coast -Chris Masten 8
1 -4 - Melbourne -Cale Morton 10
1 -5 - Western Bulldogs -Jarrad Grant 0
1 -6 - Essendon -David Myers 5
1 -7 - Fremantle -Rhys Palmer 10
1 -8 - Brisbane -Lachlan Henderson 5
1 -9 - St Kilda -Ben McEvoy 0
1 -10 - Adelaide -Patrick Dangerfield 0
1 -11 - Sydney -Patrick Veszpremi 0
1 -12 - Hawthorn -Cyril Rioli 11
1 -13 - West Coast -Bradley Ebert 7
1 -14 - Melbourne -Jack Grimes 0
1 -15 - North Melbourne -Robert Tarrant 0
1 -16 - Port Adelaide -Matthew Lobbe 0
1 -17 - Geelong -Harry Taylor 8
18 Priority - Richmond -Alex Rance 0
2 -19 - Western Bulldogs -Callan Ward 1
2 -20 - West Coast -Tony Notte 0
2 -21 - Melbourne- Addam Maric 0
2 -22 - West Coast- Scott Selwood 2
2 -23 - Essendon -Tayte Pears 5
2 -24 - Fremantle -Clayton Hinkley 2
2 -25 - Brisbane -Tom Collier 0
2 -26 - Sydney -Brett Meredith 0
2 -27 - Adelaide -Andy Otten 0
2 -28 - Port Adelaide -Marlon Motlop 0
2 -29 - Hawthorn -Brendan Whitecross 0
2 -30 - Adelaide -Jarrhan Jacky 3
2 -31 - Collingwood -John McCarthy 0
2 -32 - North Melbourne -Levi Greenwood 0
2 -33 - Port Adelaide -Matthew Westhoff 0
2 -34 - Geelong Dawson -Simpson 0

[Tarquin]

CMON kruezer No1 Dreaming.




Carlton needed a ruck, way more than another midfielder!

So Kreuzer as first pick is still viable.

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I personally think Cotchin has been overrated on the BF boards.

I actually rate Palmer, Morton and Masten ahead of Cotchin.

[tintin]

If the 2007 draft happened today, who would now be the top ten?

1. Kreuzer
2. Palmer
3. Rioli
4. Masten
5. Morton
6. Myers
7. Cotchin
8. Ebert
9. Wona
10. Taylor

This is obviously based on their AFL performances. Players like Dangerfield, Whitecross and McEvoy have all looked like potentially good pick ups.
pathetic list in the sense teams draft for their needs not who can play best in their position.

in 10 years rioli wont be half the player cotchin masten kreuzer will be. hes a small forward, a very small forward. hes not a tall as neon leon and dont think he will have the size. he'll be a handy player but once the hype of first year player has gone and hes lable as established player he will be back in the ranks with the rest of the pack. probs be a little daniel motlop, better player and probs be about as consistant as he is aswell.

[tintin]

Carlton needed a ruck, way more than another midfielder!

So Kreuzer as first pick is still viable.

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I personally think Cotchin has been overrated on the BF boards.

I actually rate Palmer, Morton and Masten ahead of Cotchin.

cotchin has class time and vision
palmer quick and solid which is one reason he is standing out, give the others time to catch up
morton i like the look of, if anyones information hes 191 cms and can run around and has good skills. im supised he can kick a ball his knees are about as skinny as an ordinary persons ankle
masten poised and good skills

[mattdwyer]

Carlton needed a ruck, way more than another midfielder!

So Kreuzer as first pick is still viable.

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I personally think Cotchin has been overrated on the BF boards.

I actually rate Palmer, Morton and Masten ahead of Cotchin.

you idiot ..

[TheGeneral]

CMON kruezer No1 Dreaming.

1) Palmer- Will win the NAB rising star
2) Wonamirri- Kids all class
3) Rioli- All class
4) Ebert- Very happy he dropped to 13 now
5) Masten- Is getting better every game (didnt have a pre season either)
6) Cotchin- Looks good but lets see after rnd 22
7) Kruezer- Still got a lot of development to go but not too bad so far.
8) Morton- Will probably be the dark horse later in the year, getting better
9) Taylor- Has been fantastic for the Cats
10) Myers- Looking good so far.
The rest who havent played cant be truthfully put into the top 10 as we dont know how they will go in the big Time

Actual Draft to the end of second Rnd.
Round -Pick - Drafted By -Player- Games Since Drafted
1 - Priority -Carlton -Matthew Kreuzer 9
1 -2 - Richmond -Trent Cotchin 4
1 -3 - West Coast -Chris Masten 8
1 -4 - Melbourne -Cale Morton 10
1 -5 - Western Bulldogs -Jarrad Grant 0
1 -6 - Essendon -David Myers 5
1 -7 - Fremantle -Rhys Palmer 10
1 -8 - Brisbane -Lachlan Henderson 5
1 -9 - St Kilda -Ben McEvoy 0
1 -10 - Adelaide -Patrick Dangerfield 0
1 -11 - Sydney -Patrick Veszpremi 0
1 -12 - Hawthorn -Cyril Rioli 11
1 -13 - West Coast -Bradley Ebert 7
1 -14 - Melbourne -Jack Grimes 0
1 -15 - North Melbourne -Robert Tarrant 0
1 -16 - Port Adelaide -Matthew Lobbe 0
1 -17 - Geelong -Harry Taylor 8
18 Priority - Richmond -Alex Rance 0
2 -19 - Western Bulldogs -Callan Ward 1
2 -20 - West Coast -Tony Notte 0
2 -21 - Melbourne- Addam Maric 0
2 -22 - West Coast- Scott Selwood 2
2 -23 - Essendon -Tayte Pears 5
2 -24 - Fremantle -Clayton Hinkley 2
2 -25 - Brisbane -Tom Collier 0
2 -26 - Sydney -Brett Meredith 0
2 -27 - Adelaide -Andy Otten 0
2 -28 - Port Adelaide -Marlon Motlop 0
2 -29 - Hawthorn -Brendan Whitecross 0
2 -30 - Adelaide -Jarrhan Jacky 3
2 -31 - Collingwood -John McCarthy 0
2 -32 - North Melbourne -Levi Greenwood 0
2 -33 - Port Adelaide -Matthew Westhoff 0
2 -34 - Geelong Dawson -Simpson 0
Masten and Ebert ahead of Kreuzer?

Muppet.

What have they done other than cameos here and there?

Masten hasn't shown any more than Steven Browne who was picked with selection 36. :thumbsu:

Kreuzer missed round one and two with injury and deserves a bigger mention when he's competing against men as a first year ruck.

Woneamirri at two is a laugh. :thumbsu:

[mitchzz]

Masten and Ebert ahead of Kreuzer?

Muppet.

What have they done other than cameos here and there?

Masten hasn't shown any more than Steven Browne who was picked with selection 36. :thumbsu:

Kreuzer missed round one and two with injury and deserves a bigger mention when he's competing against men as a first year ruck.

Woneamirri at two is a laugh. :thumbsu:

Something called consistency.

[Ablettttttt!]

Rioli is a superstar. I've seen a fair bit of him playing and he is all class, plus skill, plus speed to equal anyone in the AFL and will become a dominant midfielder in years to come. Can pick up the ball from a pack running as quick as all get out like no-one i've seen.

Palmer is good but he can't kick. In years to come there will be fremantle supporters moaning about how he's a crap kick and they'll be replaying all his clangers on tv unless he does something about it pretty quick. This will keep him from being in the absolute top tier of players in the competition.

Woneamirri has been going alright so far but i can't see it lasting. He's an opportunistic goalscrorer at best, most of his goals come from standing behind packs and running on to loose ball. He doesn't have the skill, pace or strength. I will be surprised of he lasts long.

Morton is very good. He's tall for a midfielder and can run all day (i think he had the best beep in the draft camp). He also has a very good kick and seems to have alot of time.

Cotchin= absolute superstar. Superb skills plus the fact that he takes the game on with his pace. He will be the beat player out of the draft. I've got massive wraps for the guy.

Kreuzer is definitely worthy of a no.1 selection. He looks to be very good and has already shown he can turn a match.

Haven't seen much of Masten or Ebert.
These are just my initial thoughts on a couple of players. Could turn out to be 100% wrong.

[WorthTheWaite]

Rioli is a superstar. I've seen a fair bit of him playing and he is all class, plus skill, plus speed to equal anyone in the AFL and will become a dominant midfielder in years to come. Can pick up the ball from a pack running as quick as all get out like no-one i've seen.

Palmer is good but he can't kick. In years to come there will be fremantle supporters moaning about how he's a crap kick and they'll be replaying all his clangers on tv unless he does something about it pretty quick. This will keep him from being in the absolute top tier of players in the competition.

Woneamirri has been going alright so far but i can't see it lasting. He's an opportunistic goalscrorer at best, most of his goals come from standing behind packs and running on to loose ball. He doesn't have the skill, pace or strength. I will be surprised of he lasts long.

Morton is very good. He's tall for a midfielder and can run all day (i think he had the best beep in the draft camp). He also has a very good kick and seems to have alot of time.

Cotchin= absolute superstar. Superb skills plus the fact that he takes the game on with his pace. He will be the beat player out of the draft. I've got massive wraps for the guy.

Kreuzer is definitely worthy of a no.1 selection. He looks to be very good and has already shown he can turn a match.

Haven't seen much of Masten or Ebert.
These are just my initial thoughts on a couple of players. Could turn out to be 100% wrong.
I think this is the best appraisal so far.

I just wish Carlton had been able to get both Kreuzer and Cotchin. Alas - such as things are - couldn't pass on a talented big man like Kreuzer. Please come to Carlton, Trent :(

[Banga19]

You can do it on who has shown more (apples and oranges), but I think if the teams had it over again, not much would change.

Carlton would still take Kreuzer.

Richmond would still take Cotchin.

West Coast would probably take Palmer.

Melbourne would still take Morton.

After that I'm not sure

[cotcha now]

Rioli is a superstar. I've seen a fair bit of him playing and he is all class, plus skill, plus speed to equal anyone in the AFL and will become a dominant midfielder in years to come. Can pick up the ball from a pack running as quick as all get out like no-one i've seen.

Palmer is good but he can't kick. In years to come there will be fremantle supporters moaning about how he's a crap kick and they'll be replaying all his clangers on tv unless he does something about it pretty quick. This will keep him from being in the absolute top tier of players in the competition.

Woneamirri has been going alright so far but i can't see it lasting. He's an opportunistic goalscrorer at best, most of his goals come from standing behind packs and running on to loose ball. He doesn't have the skill, pace or strength. I will be surprised of he lasts long.



Morton is very good. He's tall for a midfielder and can run all day (i think he had the best beep in the draft camp). He also has a very good kick and seems to have alot of time.

Cotchin= absolute superstar. Superb skills plus the fact that he takes the game on with his pace. He will be the beat player out of the draft. I've got massive wraps for the guy.

Kreuzer is definitely worthy of a no.1 selection. He looks to be very good and has already shown he can turn a match.

Haven't seen much of Masten or Ebert.
These are just my initial thoughts on a couple of players. Could turn out to be 100% wrong.
very well sed, and accurate

just my own opinion cotchin will be the best, cant wait for rd 16 cothcin vs kruzer old teamates .hopefully kruzer forgets and taps it to us:thumbsu:

[twist]

Woneamirri has been going alright so far but i can't see it lasting. He's an opportunistic goalscrorer at best, most of his goals come from standing behind packs and running on to loose ball. He doesn't have the skill, pace or strength. I will be surprised of he lasts long.


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I disagree.

Wona rarely wastes a disposal. He always places the ball to the advantage of a team mate. His set shot is extremely good and so is his defensive pressure.

You’re right in saying he gets a lot of his goals from standing behind packs and running on to the loose ball.
I can see him continually doing this for the next 10 years. :thumbsu:

[twist]

Palmer
Cotchin
Rioli
Kruezer
Morton
Masten
Wona
Bird
Ebert
Myers

[Tarquin]

Cotchin= absolute superstar. Superb skills plus the fact that he takes the game on with his pace. He will be the beat player out of the draft. I've got massive wraps for the guy.



This is a strange one, I keep hearing different reports with regards to his speed. Some people say he has pace, then others say otherwise.

[Freo Dr]

Still reckon that overall with the Picks we had (7 - Palmer, 24 - Hinkley, 40 - Mayne and 56 - Bradley) Fremantle actually did the best in the draft overall. Mayne had 20 possessions on the W/E and was in contention for a Rising star Nomination, Bradley showed his worth versus anything else available at pick 56 against Carlton and Hinkley will be good as well after he spends a year in the gym bulking up.

[markr]

Pretty much agree with Ablettttttttt!'s summary. I actually don't think the order would change massively if they redid the draft today with all the clubs having seen the players run around for half a season.

As for Rioli, it will all come down to whether he can build a motor and enough size to play midfield over the next few years. If he does, with his pace and skills you think he'd go past a few blokes who were drafted ahead of him, but if he stays as a forward pocket, even a very, very good one, you'd be annoyed at spending pick 5 or 6 on him.

I personally wouldn't have used pick one on a ruckman, even one as highly touted as Kreuzer, but that's just me.

Way too early to tell, but it's looking like the top 13 is going to turn out to be loaded with gun mids, even going down to a bloke like Ward at 19ish. Before the draft the word seemed to be the top 10 were as good as any year with decent players down to about 25, and then not much. It will be interesting what comes out of those pick 25+ players.

[sportz1]

Pretty much agree with Ablettttttttt!'s summary. I actually don't think the order would change massively if they redid the draft today with all the clubs having seen the players run around for half a season.

As for Rioli, it will all come down to whether he can build a motor and enough size to play midfield over the next few years. If he does, with his pace and skills you think he'd go past a few blokes who were drafted ahead of him, but if he stays as a forward pocket, even a very, very good one, you'd be annoyed at spending pick 5 or 6 on him.

I personally wouldn't have used pick one on a ruckman, even one as highly touted as Kreuzer, but that's just me.

Way too early to tell, but it's looking like the top 13 is going to turn out to be loaded with gun mids, even going down to a bloke like Ward at 19ish. Before the draft the word seemed to be the top 10 were as good as any year with decent players down to about 25, and then not much. It will be interesting what comes out of those pick 25+ players.

I think it's a very good draft to be in if your a kid, this will be the last chance clubs will get a crack at good kids for a while . With the new clubs getting the eye of the draft for the next 5 years at least.picks 10-15 this year will be the sort of kid existing clubs will get first crack at next year so i think you will find clubs will load up on kids this year clear there stocks for kids .

[melbourne150]

Is Wonaeamirri the leading goal scorer from last years draft with 15?

The only other player i could think of was Rioli but he's kcicked 13.

[iGNITER]

1. Cotchin
2. Palmer
3. Masten
4. Kreuzer
5. Morton
6. Rioli
7. Myers
8. Bird
9. Wonna

[giantpie]

If the 2007 draft happened today, who would now be the top ten?

1. Kreuzer
2. Palmer
3. Rioli
4. Masten
5. Morton
6. Myers
7. Cotchin
8. Ebert
9. Wona
10. Taylor

This is obviously based on their AFL performances. Players like Dangerfield, Whitecross and McEvoy have all looked like potentially good pick ups.
Palmer is a gun and should come in before Kreuzer.

[dirtywhitepacker]

So many of these fantasy revisited drafts are absurd. Teams pick to what they believe are there needs. Some clubs may have realised half way through this year that their needs are different to what they expected. This in mind, this is how I would see it panning out with the luxury of 6 months foresight. I'm ignoring injuries and setbacks some top ten players have had.

1. Kruezer (Carlton needed a tall, obvious selection, always has been)
2. Cotchin (Injury setbacks, but looks the goods)
3. Masten (WCE were reluctant to punt on Morton, was reported)
4. Palmer (Some heart is what Melbourne need, obvious)
5. Morton (Kid is class, and a steal at pick 5)
6. Myers (Efficient ball user who can play midfield or stream from defense)
7. Ebert (Freo need an engine, best *potential* engine left)
8. Grant (Brissy wanted a good tall in Henderson, Grant will be better)
9. Dangerfield (Kid is reported as all class, would prefer to stay in VIC)
10. Rioli (Crows need speed and a guy who knows where the goals are)

Notable exceptions:
* Lachlan Henderson - Brisbane's pick 8 just hasn't showed enough, true he is a tall that needs more time to develop, not judging just think there were better options.

*Ben McEvoy - Saints' pick 9 hasn't cracked into the seniors yet. Read some good reports but once again, talls take longer to develop. Dangerfield probably stepped up more since draft time.

*Harry Taylor - Alot of people have put Harry Taylor up there, but he is turning 22 tomorrow, so he was a much older pick up for the Cats to cover the loss of defender Matthew Egan.

*Austin Wonaeamirri - Once again a lot of people are putting him in their top 10, even as high as 3 in some cases. This is ridiculous. The kid is great don't get me wrong. Shows a lot of heart, decent decision making, fast and can kick a goal (and celebrate one). But the truth is, 8 months ago he was dismissed by every AFL club and only picked up on the rookie list. A great pick up for the rookie list, but he doesn't have the long term jeopardy to be a serious top 10 candidate. Possibly would have been elevated to a second round pick based on his 9 performances this year.

[BacharHouli_43]

1 - rioli
2- palmer
3- kreuzer
4- Cotchin
5- Masten
6- Ebert
7- Morton
8- Myers
9- Dangerfield
10- Grant

[Nishmann]

1 - rioli
2- palmer
3- kreuzer
4- Cotchin
5- Masten
6- Ebert
7- Morton
8- Myers
9- Dangerfield
10- Grant

Your an idiot

Rioli has been good but small forwards dont go number one...especially not when the actual top 4 consists of a most porbable 200-250 game ruckman, very good ruckman, and then Cotchin, Masten and Morton who all look like they will be A grade midfielders

I would say:
1: Kreuzer (Carlton has there gun midfielders but needed a ruckmen, always gonna happen and good pick)
2: Cotchin (Hasnt played as many games as others but when he builds his tank up is going to be an absolute gun)
3: Masten or Palmer (Either would do fine for the eagles, Pamler has showed more as he is already the no.1 midfielder in the dockers, but Mastens disposal and hardness is better. Masten will play 250 games for the eagles)
4: Palmer
5: Morton
6: Myers
7: Rioli
8: Ebert
9: Wona
10: Bird

[tintin]

Your an idiot

Rioli has been good but small forwards dont go number one...especially not when the actual top 4 consists of a most porbable 200-250 game ruckman, very good ruckman, and then Cotchin, Masten and Morton who all look like they will be A grade midfielders

I would say:
1: Kreuzer (Carlton has there gun midfielders but needed a ruckmen, always gonna happen and good pick)
2: Cotchin (Hasnt played as many games as others but when he builds his tank up is going to be an absolute gun)
3: Masten or Palmer (Either would do fine for the eagles, Pamler has showed more as he is already the no.1 midfielder in the dockers, but Mastens disposal and hardness is better. Masten will play 250 games for the eagles)
4: Palmer
5: Morton
6: Myers
7: Rioli
8: Ebert
9: Wona
10: Bird
nsw scholarship holder. not possible to go top anything
but was regarded as best nsw player coming into the draft
anyone got any other names of nsw players on a list, i can think of ryan davis (wc, nsw scholarship holder also). can anyone think of anyone not a nsw scholarship holder?

[Schmick]

1. Cotchin
2. Kruezer
3. Masten
4. Palmer
5. Rioli
6. Myers
7. Morton
8. Ebert
9. Taylor

[master bate]

Can't believe the hype Wona is getting, he's great but top 10?

1. Kruezer
2. Cotchin (very close to number 1)
3. Palmer
4. Morton
5. Masten
6. Taylor
7. Myers
8. Callan Ward (Gun)
9. Ebert
10. Rioli

[Masten2McKinley]

are you guys leaving out cale morton because you honestly believe hes no good or you forgot about him. This is just another way of looking at best first year player thus far. my order is.
1. Rhys Palmer
2. Cyril Rioli
3. Chris Masten
4. Matthew Kreuzer
5. WONNA (love this kid)
6. Cale Morton (did have a scocker yday) but otherwise very promising
7. Trent Cotchin (in 2 weeks he will be top 3. A GUN)
8. David Myers
9. Brad Ebert
10. Craig Bird
11. Harry Taylor

That sounds about right atm,

[Masten2McKinley]

Your an idiot

Rioli has been good but small forwards dont go number one...especially not when the actual top 4 consists of a most porbable 200-250 game ruckman, very good ruckman, and then Cotchin, Masten and Morton who all look like they will be A grade midfielders

I would say:
1: Kreuzer (Carlton has there gun midfielders but needed a ruckmen, always gonna happen and good pick)
2: Cotchin (Hasnt played as many games as others but when he builds his tank up is going to be an absolute gun)
3: Masten or Palmer (Either would do fine for the eagles, Pamler has showed more as he is already the no.1 midfielder in the dockers, but Mastens disposal and hardness is better. Masten will play 250 games for the eagles)
4: Palmer
5: Morton
6: Myers
7: Rioli
8: Ebert
9: Wona
10: Bird

I hope so :D:D

[henry123]

i wouldnt have morton in my top 10

pushing for a 2nd round selection

[tintin]

i wouldnt have morton in my top 10

pushing for a 2nd round selection
ill hold u to that in 3 years time
the kid is goin to be a very good player

this tread is labled 2007 drafted revisited, why do people keep changing it to who i think is the best from the 2007 draft?

if carlton had recruited palmer it would be the biggest waste of a pick. what are they goin to do with another small onballer?

[Richo83]

1. Palmer - rising star winner.
2. Rioli - been one of the most consistent performers so far.
3. Morton - gun, has been one of the few shining lights so far for the dees.
4. Cotchin - a year younger plus he's had a great month.
5. Kreuzer - for a big guy he's had a great start
6. Wonaearmirri - great pickup
7. Masten will be a good player.

No other draftee has shown much.

That's not to say that Rioli should have been picked second and teams made a mistake, certain players will have good starts to their careers and some wont. Players like Grant and Henderson will come on later, so this is more a grading of who has started better than a revisited draft order. Dees supporters should be happy with this drafting effort.

[Banga19]

1. Palmer - rising star winner.
2. Rioli - been one of the most consistent performers so far.
3. Morton - gun, has been one of the few shining lights so far for the dees.
4. Cotchin - a year younger plus he's had a great month.
5. Kreuzer - for a big guy he's had a great start
6. Wonaearmirri - great pickup
7. Masten will be a good player.

No other draftee has shown much.

That's not to say that Rioli should have been picked second and teams made a mistake, certain players will have good starts to their careers and some wont. Players like Grant and Henderson will come on later, so this is more a grading of who has started better than a revisited draft order. Dees supporters should be happy with this drafting effort.

So you think Carlton should have picked Palmer?

[charles202]

How do people have Grant in their top 10 picks, after exactly zero games?

[dutchy12]

Do ppl seriously think Woneamirri would have gone top10 if the draft was re done?

Don't get me wrong I absolutely love the man but I still would say pick Jack Grimes over him who went at #14

[Ryder Is God]

1. Kreuzer
2. Cotchin
3. Masten
4. Morton
5. Grant
6. Myers
7. Palmer
8. Henderson
9. McEvoy
10. Dangerfield

[Ablettttttt!]

1. Kreuzer
2. Cotchin
3. Masten
4. Morton
5. Grant
6. Myers
7. Palmer
8. Henderson
9. McEvoy
10. Dangerfield
Spot on

[rizzo]

Half you people are in la la land for excluding Harry Taylor. He has slotted into senior football exceptionally playing in the premier team in one of the hardest positions on the ground. Only once has he been beaten against a bigger and stronger Cloke. But even then so did every other Geelong player.

1. Palmer
2. Cotchin
3. Kruezer
4. Rioli
5. Taylor
6. Wonna
7. Masten
8. Ebert
9. Morton
10. Myers

[liz]

anyone got any other names of nsw players on a list, i can think of ryan davis (wc, nsw scholarship holder also). can anyone think of anyone not a nsw scholarship holder?

Tony Armstrong I think was the only non-scholarship NSW boy drafted onto a senior list. The Swans added three non-scholarship NSW boys to their rookie list, as they do each year.

I think 5 scholarship players were taken in total, two onto senior lists (Walker to Adelaide as well as Bird) and three onto rookie lists (Davis, Wilson(?) to the Roos, and a player whose name I'm not going to try and spell to the Saints).

[melbourne150]

Do ppl seriously think Woneamirri would have gone top10 if the draft was re done?

Don't get me wrong I absolutely love the man but I still would say pick Jack Grimes over him who went at #14

I think most people in this thread are putting the players in order of how well they have played so far, Not in order of who they think would be drafted in the top 10 if the draft was re-done.

If that makes sense.....

[Ryder Is God]

Half you people are in la la land for excluding Harry Taylor. He has slotted into senior football exceptionally playing in the premier team in one of the hardest positions on the ground. Only once has he been beaten against a bigger and stronger Cloke. But even then so did every other Geelong player.

1. Palmer
2. Cotchin
3. Kruezer
4. Rioli
5. Taylor
6. Wonna
7. Masten
8. Ebert
9. Morton
10. Myers

No one's going to take a 22 year old over an 17/18 year old.

[Campbell's Chunky]

1. Dangerfield
2. Otten.
3. Jacky
4. Cook
5. Armstrong
6. Kite
7. Walker
8. Moss
9. Petrenko
10. Curnow

[/not biased at all]

[rizzo]

No one's going to take a 22 year old over an 17/18 year old.

Geelong did.....

[Smyth94]

Geelong did.....

They wouldn't of wasted a top 10 pick for him...

[richcogs]

Dud-
McEvoy (thats all I know!)

[Ryder Is God]

Geelong did.....

Sorry, I meant in the top 10.

[TassieSaint]

Dud-
McEvoy (thats all I know!)
You idiot mate.

Anyway, if we are reworking the draft with the clubs needs still in mind then, barring Kreuzer somehow falling 8 places, St Kilda would still take McEvoy every day of the week. We needed a top quality ruckman who could play 200+ games for us and that is still what we'd pick today.

[richcogs]

You idiot mate.

Anyway, if we are reworking the draft with the clubs needs still in mind then, barring Kreuzer somehow falling 8 places, St Kilda would still take McEvoy every day of the week. We needed a top quality ruckman who could play 200+ games for us and that is still what we'd pick today.

Never rated McEvoy and I've actually seen him play twice in Lavington. Not that great at all and too slow! Waste of a pick! You would of taken all of Cotchin, Masten and Morton if they had lasted don't kid yourself!

[TassieSaint]

Never rated McEvoy and I've actually seen him play twice in Lavington. Not that great at all and too slow! Waste of a pick! You would of taken all of Cotchin, Masten and Morton if they had lasted don't kid yourself!
Cotchin, and to a lesser extent the others, is going to be a superstar by the looks of it, but if he came to St Kilda who would tap the ball to him in 3 years time? Van Rheenen? Hateraku? We haven't developed a good ruckman from scratch since Spida Everitt and, despite what Grant Thomas thinks, you don't win flags without good ruckman. If we didn't take McEvoy with that pick it would have been incredibly short sighted. Cotchin and Kreuzer are the only 2 I'd be happy with us taking ahead of McEvoy (Cotchin would just about be worth another decade of poor rucks IMO) but none of the others.

Also you don't rate McEvoy based on 2 games for whoever Lavington are? Well I've seen him play 3 times in the VFL and he has looked the goods, not to mention multiple other occasions he's been in the best. Calling him a dud before his AFL debut is ridiculous.

[rizzo]

They wouldn't of wasted a top 10 pick for him...

Wouldnt have been a waste...... The bloke has been sensational so far this year.

Sorry, I meant in the top 10.

Agree, but if we are revisiting the draft then you simply have to include him in the top 5 and probably the top 10. Because the only way we can assume the draft would go is on best available. Other wise blokes like Wonna, Rioli etc would still be picked up later in the draft as it was not in the clubs needs.

I mean with Palmer clearly being the best player so far, how are we to know if Carltank would pick him up with pick 1 now?

[rizzo]

Never rated McEvoy and I've actually seen him play twice in Lavington. Not that great at all and too slow! Waste of a pick! You would of taken all of Cotchin, Masten and Morton if they had lasted don't kid yourself!

Hahaha, obviously you have had a running into him at some stage. Being from Wodonga and all that. Maybe his dad taught you :p

If you were basing it on footy talent then you would know that he is a freaking good footballer. Dominated in the state games and can be played anywhere.

From what i saw of him i rated him higher than Kruezer and just behind Palmer. The few times i saw Kru i thought he struggled a bit in the wet. McEvoy seemed to adapt to the conditions much better.

[Richo83]

So you think Carlton should have picked Palmer?

Well they certainly would've been serviced with a good player, but I can understand why Carlton went for Kreuzer, you need a mobile ruckman and that's what Kreuzer is. So I understand your selection. Kreuzer will come on, in three years time he will show his worth. IMO though you can get a solid ruckman from lower picks, even the rookie draft. Time will tell with Kreuzer, I have a sneaking suspicion he'll succeed. Recruiters are getting better with big guys now.

McEvoy maybe was taken a bit early but tassiesaint is right, if there's one area Saints have struggled in, it's rucks. Like Kreuzer, if it comes off, it's inspired. If it doesn't, they get a okay player which they paid too much for. For best available, they would've taken Ebert, but they have quite a few midfielders down there, and they expect Armitage and the likes to come on. McEvoy isn't a dud, it's too early to say that and all ruckmen look ungainly early on. Cox for instance looked awkward early.

[Richo83]

Wouldnt have been a waste...... The bloke has been sensational so far this year.

Forgot about Taylor, yes if a backman can be as good as Taylor at that age, then the club would be happy, so yes they would take it. But clubs like to take younger guys because they don't have hindsight and they go for the biggest chance, the biggest scope etc. So it's hard to say whether they would've changed their mind, especially as clubs like to be able to mould a fresh player into whatever they want, hawks for instance molded Roughead from a backman to a forward. Weaver saw Franklin as a HBF/wingman, I kid you not. :eek:

*note no criticism of weaver just showing that clubs like to mold KPP into whatever they want, to know what clubs will do with KPP you would have to get into the heads of the recruiters, Weaver is almost there, but not there yet :p*

[Ryder Is God]

Wouldnt have been a waste...... The bloke has been sensational so far this year.



Agree, but if we are revisiting the draft then you simply have to include him in the top 5 and probably the top 10. Because the only way we can assume the draft would go is on best available. Other wise blokes like Wonna, Rioli etc would still be picked up later in the draft as it was not in the clubs needs.

I mean with Palmer clearly being the best player so far, how are we to know if Carltank would pick him up with pick 1 now?

I think if the draft was redone today Palmer may have gone 4th instead of Morton. Teams knew he was ready made, but like all recruits there were question marks over him. It's only half way into the first season of their careers and obviously their potential hasn't been fulfilled.

WC wanted a clearance player and they got that in Masten, Doggies wanted a key forward in Jarrad Grant. Essendon wanted a versatile midfielder with leadership qualities with Myers.

[rizzo]

I think if the draft was redone today Palmer may have gone 4th instead of Morton. Teams knew he was ready made, but like all recruits there were question marks over him. It's only half way into the first season of their careers and obviously their potential hasn't been fulfilled.

WC wanted a clearance player and they got that in Masten, Doggies wanted a key forward in Jarrad Grant. Essendon wanted a versatile midfielder with leadership qualities with Myers.

Yep that my point exactly. Its not possible to revisit the draft without going back to the old "Best Available" recruiting method.

Otherwise i'm sure we would see an identical draft.

So for that reason of best available then Harry should be in the top 5 because he has clearly been one of the best this year.

[Richo83]

Morton is almost if not as good as Palmer, has had a great debut season. Remember that Morton is almost a full year younger than Palmer, is averaging 16 possessions and is 192cm, which means he can play tall. I wouldn't be giving up Morton.

[Ablettttttt!]

Cotchin, and to a lesser extent the others, is going to be a superstar by the looks of it, but if he came to St Kilda who would tap the ball to him in 3 years time? Van Rheenen? Hateraku? We haven't developed a good ruckman from scratch since Spida Everitt and, despite what Grant Thomas thinks, you don't win flags without good ruckman. If we didn't take McEvoy with that pick it would have been incredibly short sighted. Cotchin and Kreuzer are the only 2 I'd be happy with us taking ahead of McEvoy (Cotchin would just about be worth another decade of poor rucks IMO) but none of the others.

Also you don't rate McEvoy based on 2 games for whoever Lavington are? Well I've seen him play 3 times in the VFL and he has looked the goods, not to mention multiple other occasions he's been in the best. Calling him a dud before his AFL debut is ridiculous.
there will be another draft at the end of this season. This isn't the last one

[Australia]

Rioli is a superstar. I've seen a fair bit of him playing and he is all class, plus skill, plus speed to equal anyone in the AFL and will become a dominant midfielder in years to come. Can pick up the ball from a pack running as quick as all get out like no-one i've seen.

Palmer is good but he can't kick. In years to come there will be fremantle supporters moaning about how he's a crap kick and they'll be replaying all his clangers on tv unless he does something about it pretty quick. This will keep him from being in the absolute top tier of players in the competition.

Woneamirri has been going alright so far but i can't see it lasting. He's an opportunistic goalscrorer at best, most of his goals come from standing behind packs and running on to loose ball. He doesn't have the skill, pace or strength. I will be surprised of he lasts long.

Morton is very good. He's tall for a midfielder and can run all day (i think he had the best beep in the draft camp). He also has a very good kick and seems to have alot of time.

Cotchin= absolute superstar. Superb skills plus the fact that he takes the game on with his pace. He will be the beat player out of the draft. I've got massive wraps for the guy.

Kreuzer is definitely worthy of a no.1 selection. He looks to be very good and has already shown he can turn a match.

Haven't seen much of Masten or Ebert.
These are just my initial thoughts on a couple of players. Could turn out to be 100% wrong.

You haven't watched Melbourne.
Wona is way more than a goal sneak, runs up field and gets the mark and never misses his target, also incredible tackling, to question his strength as his major weakness is a concern, considering it's his biggest plus that he can smash people, easy the next Byron, who despite the hate, had an awesome career.

[Demonheart]

I think if the draft was redone today Palmer may have gone 4th instead of Morton. Teams knew he was ready made, but like all recruits there were question marks over him. It's only half way into the first season of their careers and obviously their potential hasn't been fulfilled.

WC wanted a clearance player and they got that in Masten, Doggies wanted a key forward in Jarrad Grant. Essendon wanted a versatile midfielder with leadership qualities with Myers.

One thing is certain and that is that what Craig Cameron does with his picks is at times absolutely bewildering. Exampls of this in the first round are L.Molan, L.Dunn & J.Frawley.

[dutchy12]

Morton is almost if not as good as Palmer, has had a great debut season. Remember that Morton is almost a full year younger than Palmer, is averaging 16 possessions and is 192cm, which means he can play tall. I wouldn't be giving up Morton.

sensible post.

[murph#3]

cotchin has shown some incredible signs of being a superstar but were people really expecting kreuzer to perform better than him in his first year?

imo cotchin and a lot of other mids from this draft will play better than kreuzer for the next 3-4 years. i think we can only start making comparisons then because it's unfair to expect a ruckman to deliver the same results as a midfielder. fwiw, i believe that if carlton had the same list as richmond (i.e. a weak midfield) they would also have gone with cotchin but given we already have the likes of gibbs, murphy, walker coming through and judd to only get better from here on i think we made the right choice in getting kreuzer. i think that by the end of their careers, cotchin will probably be regarded as the best player from this draft but i think kreuzer will be more valuable given the rarity of a 2m athlete with the smarts and skills he has. thoughts?

[richcogs]

WTF, some of you are just silly to say the least. Rioli may get in the bottom part of the 10..but top 3. No way.

1. Kreuzer
2. Cotchin
3. Masten
4. Morton
5. Grant (# Dogs will still take a tall)
6. Myers
7. Palmer
8. Rioli
9. Vezpremi
10. Ebert

WOW what an attempt that was!

[Black Thunder]

i think people need to make it clear that there are one of two lists you can construct

1 - based on 2007 performances, which obviousbly excludes anyone who hasn't played yet

2 - a new draft as if it all the players in the 2007 draft were delisted and that placed back in for a draft...

personally i can't do either one as i've seen about 100 minutes of footy all season

[Pharaoh]

(1) Cotchin
(2) Rioli
(3) Palmer
(4) Kreuzer
(5) Morton
(6) Ebert
(7) Masten
(8) Myers

[wizard_9]

(1) Cotchin
(2) Rioli
(3) Palmer
(4) Kreuzer
(5) Morton
(6) Ebert
(7) Masten
(8) Myers

Riolo ahead of Kreuzer and Palmer, could you be any more bias.

[rgauci]

I think Mayne would of gone early 2nd if not 1st round if it was done again.

[murph#3]

in terms of how well they've performed since being drafted:

1-palmer
2-cotchin
3-rioli
4-kreuzer
5-dew
6-morton
7-mayne
8-myers
9-masten
10-ebert

in terms of how i'd draft them if they were all available:

1-kreuzer
2-cotchin
3-palmer
4-morton
5-masten
6-rioli
7-myers
8-grant
9-ebert
10-mayne

[Masten2McKinley]

Why is everyone from melbourne putting in wonameri, he played 1 or 2 good games??

[Masten2McKinley]

i think people need to make it clear that there are one of two lists you can construct

1 - based on 2007 performances, which obviousbly excludes anyone who hasn't played yet

2 - a new draft as if it all the players in the 2007 draft were delisted and that placed back in for a draft...

personally i can't do either one as i've seen about 100 minutes of footy all season

WTF where have u been all year

[curry23]

Based on this season

1. Palmer
2. Cotchin
3. Rioli
4. Kruezer
5. Morton
6. Taylor
7. Ebert
8. Mayne
9. Myers
10. Masten


On potential

1. Cotchin
2. Kruezer
3. Palmer
4. Masten
5. Morton
6. Rioli
7. Veszpremi
8. Notte
9. Tarrant
10. Mayne

I have never seen Grant play so Im not gonna put him on the list.

[Sigmund]

Based on this season

1. Palmer
2. Cotchin
3. Rioli
4. Kruezer
5. Morton
6. Taylor
7. Ebert
8. Mayne
9. Myers
10. Masten


On potential

1. Cotchin
2. Kruezer
3. Palmer
4. Masten
5. Morton
6. Rioli
7. Veszpremi
8. Notte
9. Tarrant
10. Mayne

I have never seen Grant play so Im not gonna put him on the list.


No David Myers??

[curry23]

No David Myers??
He is in the 1st list but I reckon that he is not in the top 10 on potential

[Sigmund]

He is in the 1st list but I reckon that he is not in the top 10 on potential


Fair enough:thumbsu: But I have been more than happy with what I have seen from the young man this year

[Ryder Is God]

He is in the 1st list but I reckon that he is not in the top 10 on potential

lol.

How can you honestly say that?

A 193cm midfielder that has speed, skill and footy smarts.

He's a booming kick and was one of the best kicks in last years draft. He hasn't even got a big engine yet and had made an impact this season before his injury.

Myers will be a future leader at our club, he has massive potential.

Anyone that watches him can see that.

[Bourky23]

Kruezer still goes number 1 for mine.. will be a superstar

[curry23]

lol.

How can you honestly say that?

A 193cm midfielder that has speed, skill and footy smarts.

He's a booming kick and was one of the best kicks in last years draft. He hasn't even got a big engine yet and had made an impact this season before his injury.

Myers will be a future leader at our club, he has massive potential.

Anyone that watches him can see that.
Well congratulations to you then, I have only seen him play in the Freo, Essendon game and he got injured then so I havent even seen him play a whole 4 quarters.

[Ryder Is God]

Well congratulations to you then

Thanks

I have only seen him play in the Freo, Essendon game and he got injured then so I havent even seen him play a whole 4 quarters.

Then how can you say he's not top 10 in potential?

You could have at least said you haven't seen Myers enough to gauge his potential.

[curry23]

Thanks



Then how can you say he's not top 10 in potential?

You could have at least said you haven't seen Myers enough to gauge his potential.
Yeh could have, but I didnt think Bombers fans would get so cut up if I didnt:p

[pinkus maximus]

i think people need to make it clear that there are one of two lists you can construct

1 - based on 2007 performances, which obviousbly excludes anyone who hasn't played yet

2 - a new draft as if it all the players in the 2007 draft were delisted and that placed back in for a draft...
personally i can't do either one as i've seen about 100 minutes of footy all season

only two changes to the top ten

1.Kreuzer
2.Cotchin
3.Palmer
4.Morton
5.Grant
6.Myers
7.Ebert
8.Henderson
9.McEvoy
10.Dangerfield

Masten would slip because of his OP issues

[back2back4dacat]

only two changes to the top ten

1.Kreuzer
2.Cotchin
3.Palmer
4.Morton
5.Grant
6.Myers
7.Ebert
8.Henderson
9.McEvoy
10.Dangerfield

Masten would slip because of his OP issues
what about taylor he played very well today in a good team and keeps getting a game unlike some of the others

[melbourne150]

Why is everyone from melbourne putting in wonameri, he played 1 or 2 good games??

How many times have you watched him??

He's kicked 21 goals in 13 games(the most of any draftee) And averages 4 tackles a game. He is easily inside the top 10(and probably top 5) in terms of how well they have played so far!!!.

[Checkers]

Myers is very good.
Should of been taken top 5 IMO.

[Sigmund]

Well congratulations to you then, I have only seen him play in the Freo, Essendon game and he got injured then so I havent even seen him play a whole 4 quarters.


Then your "potential rating" means very little my man

[over the top]

1. Palmer
2. Rioli
3. Cotchin
4. Kreuzer
5. Masten
6. Morton
7. Myers
8. Taylor
9. Ebert
10. Wilkes

on what has been done this year.