cale morton

[henry123]

i remember some time ago prior to the draft/ a bit after that there was various threads going around about morton and his overratedness etc.

a lot of people seemed to believe morton was some what a "gun"

for a top 4 draft pick and for someone who has played almost every game this season, he just hasnt lived up to the expectations of him and to be honest i really cant see him being a top shelf footballer at all

thoughts?

[frantelle]

still reaaallllllllllllllllllllllllly green
if he wasnt at melbourne wouldnt be playing this year at all
its hard to see at afl level but he is chock loaded full of potential
its a bit silly to write off a project player in his first year

his disposal last year was the highlight of the U/18 carnival and has a brilliant footy mind (bit of a dumbass out side of footy though haha)

has brialliant fitness and obviously with his running ability + height + skill level + footy brain left most recruiters drooling at the mouth
was drafted because he has soooo much potential

could turn into just a regular player...but has the potential to be something special

i wouldnt be deciding his career yet by any stretch of the imagination, and not even for the next few years

[henry123]

i can see hack written all over him

[CaleMorton]

Dear Henry, do you think it wise to make an assumption from watching only one game? Because thats what youve done. You watched the QB game and have decided that you know best.
Now if you had watched several of his other games you would realise the kid has a lot of talent. In particular agianst geelong and adelaide. he is currently playing in a dud side and cale himself is malnourished.
If you had watched some of his previous games you would have seen a raking 50m drop punt, agile movement and some pretty smart play for a kid who is just 18. He is a bottom ager.
He is not perfect. He is not hard at the footy yet, i think because hes so skinny. That aside, there is so much upside to this kid. Give him a chance, watch him play against the Tiges this Sunday.
I dont think the sun shines out of his or any other melbourne players clacker. I am not so one eyed to think cale is the answer. Given a choice I would have taken cotchin every day of the week. But cale morton will be a beauty

[CaptainDavey]

i can see hack written all over him

You've seen a lot of them at Richmond yeah, thus making you the supreme authority over hacks no doubt?

Grow up fool

[henry123]

Dear Henry, do you think it wise to make an assumption from watching only one game? Because thats what youve done. You watched the QB game and have decided that you know best.
Now if you had watched several of his other games you would realise the kid has a lot of talent. In particular agianst geelong and adelaide. he is currently playing in a dud side and cale himself is malnourished.
If you had watched some of his previous games you would have seen a raking 50m drop punt, agile movement and some pretty smart play for a kid who is just 18. He is a bottom ager.
He is not perfect. He is not hard at the footy yet, i think because hes so skinny. That aside, there is so much upside to this kid. Give him a chance, watch him play against the Tiges this Sunday.
I dont think the sun shines out of his or any other melbourne players clacker. I am not so one eyed to think cale is the answer. Given a choice I would have taken cotchin every day of the week. But cale morton will be a beauty

for starters i am a richmond member aswell as a melbourne member(my dads team) so ive seen almost every game and im not making that assumption from the qb game

palmer is playing in a dud side and look at how hes going??? pretty good from my mind

i know hes still raw and all that but hes never been an in an under attack the ball sort of player and u cant teach a kid to go in hard all the time it comes naturally

his brother mitch had high hopes aswell and hes not exactly setting the footy world on fire is he

[sharks19]

The thread has a point, he doesnt have the ability to win/change games as he doesnt ever get his own ball, take a contested mark or tackle, chase do 1%'s etc.

My opinion is he is one that drifts along getting the ball given to him looking good when the teams going good but otherwise not being much chop at the level.

Many will disagree because of possible 'potential' and that rubbish but we shall see, he's done nothing for Melbourne fans as of yet except miss alot of targets.

[vinnie_vegas69]

He is a ridiculously tall and skinny kid playing in the first half of his first season in the midfield.

By comparison, Scott Pendlebury had played 2 games by this point in his career, and by the end of his first year, had only shown glimpses, but was no world beater, so I'd suggest the first 11 weeks of his AFL career are largely irrelevant.

Morton has shown that even this early on, despite the fact that he's clearly lacking a lot of strength and fitness, but he uses the ball well most of the time, and plays smart. He looks, already, as though he'll be serviceable at worst.

[Skooks]

For his heigh and size, not to mention his age.

The fact that he has played 10 games of AFL football I would suggest is a miracle in itself.

Will be a gun.

[melbourne150]

How has Morton not lived up to expectation?

Most Melbourne supporters barely expected him to play any games this year due to his body size. Yet he has only missed one game....

And he has played some very impressive games especially against Geelong and Adelaide.

He had 22 disposials and kicked 2 goals against Geelong

And he had 18 disposials 8 marks and kicked 3 goals against Adelaide.

And against the Bulldogs he showed some real class and exellent decision making and set up 2 or 3 goals with some beautifull and creative passes.

He also had 27 disposials against Richmond in a Pre-Season match so lets hope he can show you how good he is on the weekend.....

And he won the Larke medal for best player in division one at the U/18 championships last year....

And the guy who started this thread is an idiot and clearly doesn't know what he is talking about.:thumbsd:

[WorthTheWaite]

Haha, some poor trolling efforts.

He is tall, skinny and severely under-developed. Give him time and then make a judgment. As yet, I don't think there has been anything to suggest he won't be a very good player, and could easily become a gun.

[cougar000]

i remember some time ago prior to the draft/ a bit after that there was various threads going around about morton and his overratedness etc.

a lot of people seemed to believe morton was some what a "gun"

for a top 4 draft pick and for someone who has played almost every game this season, he just hasnt lived up to the expectations of him and to be honest i really cant see him being a top shelf footballer at all

thoughts?

And what number did you draft Richard Tambling

[Australia]

Wow, Morton must be a gun, he is already being trolled only 11 games into his career.

[NorthBhoy]

What is he?

He has obviously got some ability (his tank and footy brain are quality), but his kicking is overrated and he doesn't look to be capable of damaging sides in posession. He isn't quick and given his surname, will not spend too much time getting his hands dirty.

Not sure on him. Can't knock his first year, but I'd question his capacity to push into category of player a pick 4 should.

[blues2010]

Give him a go. Still eligible age wise to play under 18's if not drafted last year. It will take him a couple of years to put on weight etc and develop but he has the essentials and he will make it. Don't understand some people who expect young guys to walk in and dominate as per Palmer. Cale is a year younger than Palmer. He wasn't spoken about much at the same age, so lets look at it in a year or two

[markr]

He's been fine. Done some nice things in a rubbish team and was always going to take a few years to put on some size. How often do we need to see 2nd and 3rd year players having a break out season before we stop judging blokes half way through their first?

[NorthBhoy]

He's been fine. Done some nice things in a rubbish team and was always going to take a few years to put on some size. How often do we need to see 2nd and 3rd year players having a break out season before we stop judging blokes half way through their first?

From my POV, I'm not having a go at the kid. He has been good this year by any measure.

I'm just wondering if he is the type (not now, for his career), that you want from pick 4. A guy like Palmer, who is a balls out gut runner with flaws but with a very big upside and ability to damage sides would be preferable (again, comparing type, not the players themselves). Very basically, picking a "utility" at pick 4 who doesn't have exceptionally damaging aspects to his game is questionable, IMO.

[ChipDouglas]

From my POV, I'm not having a go at the kid. He has been good this year by any measure.

I'm just wondering if he is the type (not now, for his career), that you want from pick 4. A guy like Palmer, who is a balls out gut runner with flaws but with a very big upside and ability to damage sides would be preferable (again, comparing type, not the players themselves). Very basically, picking a "utility" at pick 4 who doesn't have exceptionally damaging aspects to his game is questionable, IMO.
I could not disagree more, when talking upside in 5 years time Palmer will be IMO a similar player to what he is now, Cale Morton will be a significantly better player than he is now. Palmer's body won't change much between now and then, Morton's certainly will.

[Jono B]

I really don't think there is anything wrong with Cale's kicking. I think he just got caught out by the intensity of the match and he should be better in that area in the future.

The fact he has such a massive kick on him will make him extremely dangerous as he would be able to kick over zones and hit targets that other players can't hit. When he matures the opposition is going to want to stop him because of his ability to do damage but stopping a 195 cm wingman with a huge tank and agility is not going to be easy.

[Australia]

From my POV, I'm not having a go at the kid. He has been good this year by any measure.

I'm just wondering if he is the type (not now, for his career), that you want from pick 4. A guy like Palmer, who is a balls out gut runner with flaws but with a very big upside and ability to damage sides would be preferable (again, comparing type, not the players themselves). Very basically, picking a "utility" at pick 4 who doesn't have exceptionally damaging aspects to his game is questionable, IMO.

A tall, skinny utility with good skills and isn't a line breaking gut runner can't be damaging now?

Ever heard of James Hird?

Plus the kid is newly 18, if he puts on 10 kilos over the next 3-4 years he will suddenly be a 190 something, 90 kilo mid or CHF.

[NorthBhoy]

I could not disagree more, when talking upside in 5 years time Palmer will be IMO a similar player to what he is now, Cale Morton will be a significantly better player than he is now. Palmer's body won't change much between now and then, Morton's certainly will.

His body will change into what? If he grows to 195cm's and becomes a KP, fantastic. If not, he'll be one of those KP size wingman that everyone gets excited over but who never work. Goddard is a great kick. He is a smart footballer. But they can't find a position for him, so he plays back, on no-one, and racks up easy kicks.

Palmer will get stronger. He will evolve into an explosive outside midfielder that kicks regular goals and has the muscle to bust in and get his own footy. With pick 4, I want a bloke who will occupy coaches and worry opposing sides. I don't think Cale Morton is that player wheras Palmer already is.

[henry123]

couldnt agree more northbhoy

i am not having a crack at morton im just putting my opinion out that he will become some what of a nothing footballer

HAS potential but doubt he will be able to put it all together at afl level

[LukeHodge15]

His body will change into what? If he grows to 195cm's and becomes a KP, fantastic. If not, he'll be one of those KP size wingman that everyone gets excited over but who never work. Goddard is a great kick. He is a smart footballer. But they can't find a position for him, so he plays back, on no-one, and racks up easy kicks.

Palmer will get stronger. He will evolve into an explosive outside midfielder that kicks regular goals and has the muscle to bust in and get his own footy. With pick 4, I want a bloke who will occupy coaches and worry opposing sides. I don't think Cale Morton is that player wheras Palmer already is.

Cale is very "outside", Melbourne well and truely knew that when they took him. He is skinny as a pencil at the minute, 18 years old, and has huge scope for improvement.......HUGE.

Its not like AFL footy is getting any tougher either. Drafting players is getting more about picking players with good footskills, good hands, good pace and players that make the right decisions on the footy field.

Cale ticks all of those boxes.

[McLean_4_Captain]

He is a ridiculously tall and skinny kid playing in the first half of his first season in the midfield.

By comparison, Scott Pendlebury had played 2 games by this point in his career, and by the end of his first year, had only shown glimpses, but was no world beater, so I'd suggest the first 11 weeks of his AFL career are largely irrelevant.

Morton has shown that even this early on, despite the fact that he's clearly lacking a lot of strength and fitness, but he uses the ball well most of the time, and plays smart. He looks, already, as though he'll be serviceable at worst.

Pendlebury is how i see Morton at the moment, looks like a similar player, tall, skinny, big tank and good skills. Similar stage of his development but getting more game and therefore more public exposure because of melbourne's poor ladder position.

You could do a lot worse then using pick 4 to pick up pendlebury. He's seems like a young Pendlebury, with more potential. I mean no offence to pendlebury, but Morton is a lot more highly rated junior, so you would therefore think that he has much greater potential and could end up being a much better player. Can't be unhappy with that

Or you could end up with Tambo at pick 4

[blues2010]

Or you could end up with Tambo at pick 4[/quote]
Or even Luke Livingston, but I doubt it.

[Rohan25]

Good grief.

I hope all you Melbourne supporters are bookmarking this thread.

I think he's been excellent this year. God why do we expect so much of our high draft picks? We expect them to come in and excel from day one, and anything less than brilliant raises immediate question marks. This kid has moved across to the oher side of the country, to a team that is struggling badly. He has earnt a senior berth and has averaged 16 possessions a game. His disposal has been erratic, but many more experienced players are guilty of that also.

To call him a hack is just ridiculous. Lets see how he's going after 50 games.

[ChipDouglas]

His body will change into what? If he grows to 195cm's and becomes a KP, fantastic. If not, he'll be one of those KP size wingman that everyone gets excited over but who never work. Goddard is a great kick. He is a smart footballer. But they can't find a position for him, so he plays back, on no-one, and racks up easy kicks.

Palmer will get stronger. He will evolve into an explosive outside midfielder that kicks regular goals and has the muscle to bust in and get his own footy. With pick 4, I want a bloke who will occupy coaches and worry opposing sides. I don't think Cale Morton is that player wheras Palmer already is.
It's obvious that Palmer is the better and more productive player now, he's in my dreamteam for that very reason. But you're making the common mistake of judging them too early. FYI they're different body types, different ages and play different positions. Palmer is a lock to win the Rising start award but that doesn't mean in 3 years time Morton won't be just as productive, and to intimate he could be a bust is a huge mistake, just like Cale's upside.

Comparing apples and oranges is a useless pastime and if you were to ask both clubs they would both say they're delighted with their selections.

[NorthBhoy]

couldnt agree more northbhoy

i am not having a crack at morton im just putting my opinion out that he will become some what of a nothing footballer

HAS potential but doubt he will be able to put it all together at afl level

I don't doubt he will be a good player. In fact am fairly sure he will be a good player. And I'm not doubting him because he is light. I'm sure he will put on sufficient weight for his role. It's just that I am not sure that I would spend pick 4 on a player of his type.

Pendlebury is not an outside footballer. IMO, he does some of his best work in congestion. Glen Archer he isn't, but he is clean and his vision is outstanding. From what I can gather (and I have seen Melbourne 3 times this year on TV and once live, so I concede many would have seen much moreof him than me), Cale's stregths are his endurance and his kicking. His height is almost irrelevant unless he can compete in the air to a standard better than "regular" sized midfielders or develop into a KP type. Which I would seriously question.

Meh. Again, not knocking the kid himself. He looks a good player.

[TheGeneral]

What is he?

He has obviously got some ability (his tank and footy brain are quality), but his kicking is overrated and he doesn't look to be capable of damaging sides in posession. He isn't quick and given his surname, will not spend too much time getting his hands dirty.

Not sure on him. Can't knock his first year, but I'd question his capacity to push into category of player a pick 4 should.
Another Jessie Smith? http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/images/icons/icon3.gif

I've read comparisons to Mackie who didn't set the world on fire in his first handful of seasons, so maybe we should give Morton some time to fill out before you judge him. :eek: :rolleyes:

He'll be better than Bower who was bottom age and is developing into a good defender in his third year.

I guess you're happy with Robbie Tarrant.

[delirious1]

as people said, hes 195cm and a stick, playing in the worst team in the league, hes done alright, has shown something

[NorthBhoy]

[QUOTE=TheGeneral;11345761]Another Jessie Smith? http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/images/icons/icon3.gif

I'll give that comment some time that it doesn't deserve and say that Smith is quicker, harder, stronger, more explosive more damaging and if not for an ankle that was damaged like it was run over by a country bound freight train, would be just about our best player right now. He will never have a proper pre-season or train more than once a week now, so we might never know how good this kid might have been,

I've read comparisons to Mackie who didn't set the world on fire in his first handful of seasons, so maybe we should give Morton some time to fill out before you judge him. :eek: :rolleyes:

I haven't judged the kid. I haven't said he is crap or will be crap. I;ve actually said the opposite. What I am querying, quite tamely by the standard of this increasingly interminable website, is the aquistion of this type of footballer that high in the draft. That's it. Seriously, that's it.

I'd want better than Mackie with pick 4.

He'll be better than Bower who was bottom age and is developing into a good defender in his third year.

Did someone mention Paul Bower and I missed it?

I guess you're happy with Robbie Tarrant.

Happy with the type. Happy that he is an agressive teenager who will grow into ____ing huge body. But not happy he has played virtually no footy and busted his should two months ago. Again, not sure what a mid-teens CHF pick has to do with a pick 4.

Oh, I get it, he is at North. Startling observation. Well played.

[vinnie_vegas69]

Pendlebury is how i see Morton at the moment, looks like a similar player, tall, skinny, big tank and good skills. Similar stage of his development but getting more game and therefore more public exposure because of melbourne's poor ladder position.

You could do a lot worse then using pick 4 to pick up pendlebury. He's seems like a young Pendlebury, with more potential. I mean no offence to pendlebury, but Morton is a lot more highly rated junior, so you would therefore think that he has much greater potential and could end up being a much better player. Can't be unhappy with that

Or you could end up with Tambo at pick 4
Not even close - He might have been slightly more highly rated as a junior, which is debateable, considering their similar draft positions, but Pendlebury ALWAYS had a ton of potential, due to the fact that he was new to the game, but showed certain attributes that are unteachable.

What Pendlebury is doing is effectively reaching towards the upper-limits of what people thought his potential was going to be, which is why most wouldn't have drafted him as high as #5, but a few teams rated him as a better chance to achieve that potential, including Collingwood.

With Morton, he was always considered a high draft pick because he'd already shown a wide range of skills, and had a good pedigree. His risk factor was lower than Pendlebury's was, and he lacks certain attributes that Pendlebury possesses as a player.

I wasn't comparing the two stylistically - Pendlebury has the agility, awareness and evasive ability of a much smaller player, whereas Morton does move like a mobile tall, but a tall none-the-less. He could be effective if he gets his fitness up and patrols the wing (think the way Richo has played on the wing this year as a possibility, minus the ability to go forward), but I don't think he'll ever become a centre square midfielder, as he's simply too tall and not good enough below his knees.

The tall wingman is an option that isn't common in the AFL, but that I believe can work very effectively - It would give teams a strong kick-out option from full-back as the tall winger would almost always have size over their opponent, and there's always the possibility of pushing forward to exploit the size difference as well.

[sharks19]

A good point was made earlier.

His height is irrelevant at this stage. He has near on no ability to take a contested grab and that's what people with height usually do.

He may aswell be 150cm taking un contested grabs and getting cheap kicks on them wings.

[henry123]

he gets more cheap kicks then at a highs and lows half price sale

[richcogs]

Strongest draft in the last decade, they'll all be good:p. Seriously though I see alot of potential in him! Palmer would of had to of been the better option though.

[henry123]

Strongest draft in the last decade, they'll all be good:p. Seriously though I see alot of potential in him! Palmer would of had to of been the better option though.


along with meyers and ebert

both will be stars

morton simply wont be

[NorthBhoy]

I wasn't comparing the two stylistically - Pendlebury has the agility, awareness and evasive ability of a much smaller player, whereas Morton does move like a mobile tall, but a tall none-the-less. He could be effective if he gets his fitness up and patrols the wing (think the way Richo has played on the wing this year as a possibility, minus the ability to go forward),

Unless he develops an the inate ability to mark the footy in a contest, this is where I question his type. If he can't, it doesn't matter if he is 7 feet tall and plays on a wing.

but I don't think he'll ever become a centre square midfielder, as he's simply too tall and not good enough below his knees.

And his centre of gravity is out of whack for a centre square midfielder. He'd get killed, and I don't care if he hits 100 kg's.

The tall wingman is an option that isn't common in the AFL, but that I believe can work very effectively - It would give teams a strong kick-out option from full-back as the tall winger would almost always have size over their opponent, and there's always the possibility of pushing forward to exploit the size difference as well.

I disagree, and this is pretty much the basics of my argument. This position or these types rarely work. If you had a bloke who was 195 and can mark the footy very well, why would you bother putting him on a wing? Pavlich plays forward. Reiwoldt plays forward. This is where they hurt (well....you know what I mean) and this is where, as an opposing fan, I don't want them to be. If Pav spends his afternoon getting cheap shit on the wing this week, I'll be wrapt. We'll win by 80 points.

Again, pick 4. I want a positionally flexible midfielder (in the guts and running with the footy) or a gun KP prospect.

[pinkus maximus]

looks like henry has had it in for cale for some time

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374974

[henry123]

yepp and i stand by what i say

[melbourne150]

What is with every one saying he can't take a contested mark?

I recall watching videos prior to the draft of him playing up forward and taking some nice marks, He probably hasn't shown it at AFL level because he is getting pushed out of contests to easily(due to his light frame).

[LukeHodge15]

Unless he develops an the inate ability to mark the footy in a contest, this is where I question his type. If he can't, it doesn't matter if he is 7 feet tall and plays on a wing.



And his centre of gravity is out of whack for a centre square midfielder. He'd get killed, and I don't care if he hits 100 kg's.



I disagree, and this is pretty much the basics of my argument. This position or these types rarely work. If you had a bloke who was 195 and can mark the footy very well, why would you bother putting him on a wing? Pavlich plays forward. Reiwoldt plays forward. This is where they hurt (well....you know what I mean) and this is where, as an opposing fan, I don't want them to be. If Pav spends his afternoon getting cheap shit on the wing this week, I'll be wrapt. We'll win by 80 points.

Again, pick 4. I want a positionally flexible midfielder (in the guts and running with the footy) or a gun KP prospect.


Ur missing the point NorthBoy on todays footy and how it has changed.

Give me Morton over Palmer any day of the week. Palmers are easy to find, Mortons arent.

[dutchy12]

The funny thing is if Cale Morton was playing in the VFL at this stage flogs wouldn't be calling him a spud.

The kid is a rake but he's still managed to play some very good games for the MFC.

If anyone saw his games against Geelong and Adelaide you'd realise we have a very good player on our hands.

Will he be a star? Who knows? But to date he has been very impressive and for anyone who appreciates and has an interst the devlopment of young players they would be able to recognise this.

[NorthBhoy]

Ur missing the point NorthBoy on todays footy and how it has changed.

I really don't think I am. If a ball hunting mid with grunt who takes risks, runs forward and kicks goals is a relic of the past, then the team that drafts Palmer types whilst everyone drafts Morton types will win 10 flags in a row.

Give me Morton over Palmer any day of the week. Palmers are easy to find, Mortons arent.

Really surprising froma a Hawk fan. Tell me you don't feel confident watching Hodge, Mitchell and Lewis go up against skinny athletes. You can have all the gut running smooth looking blokes you like. I want the blokes who win it, break from traffic and kick scores. If they can hurt bodies at the same time, fantastic.

[Azdrubal]

Thanks Pinkus, put the 2 sites together and we get the true picture. IE its all really about you Henry-123. Definitely someone with little-man syndrome. Idiot!

[Masten2McKinley]

i can see hack written all over him

he will turn out better then tambling ever would, he is in his 1st year give him a break

[stickman11]

I really don't think there is anything wrong with Cale's kicking. I think he just got caught out by the intensity of the match and he should be better in that area in the future.

The fact he has such a massive kick on him will make him extremely dangerous as he would be able to kick over zones and hit targets that other players can't hit. When he matures the opposition is going to want to stop him because of his ability to do damage but stopping a 195 cm wingman with a huge tank and agility is not going to be easy.

Obviously nobody has really paid much attention but his efficiecey rating, use of the ball is one of the highest in the league.

Has great vision and ball control. Probably still needs to learn the game at this level. His performabce against Geelong was quite good for a young player.

[sharks19]

Obviously nobody has really paid much attention but his efficiecey rating, use of the ball is one of the highest in the league.

Has great vision and ball control. Probably still needs to learn the game at this level. His performabce against Geelong was quite good for a young player.

Obviously you didnt see the game on monday and here the commentary or statistics stating he had hit 1 out of 10 targets. If 10% is good effeciency blow me down.

[henry123]

he will turn out better then tambling ever would, he is in his 1st year give him a break

doubt it

[Masten2McKinley]

doubt it
it has taken Tambling 4 years to do anothing of AFL level, this kid is half way through is first season, yes he prob wont be as good as cotchin, plamer, kreazer, masten but he will proberly become a solid member of an AFL team.

[eminbee]

Good point stickman, maybe that's what some of the posters above mean when they refer to his family name. The Melbourne Herald Sun on Monday had brother Jarryd's efficiency at a near game-leading 92%. I saw part of Hawthorn's previous game on TV (the loss against WB in Tas). Hawthorn came out in the 3rd qtr and kicked the first 3 goals with each goal kicker receiving the ball from Jarryd. Efficiency's not a bad trait and maybe it does run in this family. Some of the posters above including the tosser who started it should get a life.

[eyeofthetiger]

mitch has the best kick out of all the brothers.

[Demonheart]

Good grief.

I hope all you Melbourne supporters are bookmarking this thread.

I think he's been excellent this year. God why do we expect so much of our high draft picks? We expect them to come in and excel from day one, and anything less than brilliant raises immediate question marks. This kid has moved across to the oher side of the country, to a team that is struggling badly. He has earnt a senior berth and has averaged 16 possessions a game. His disposal has been erratic, but many more experienced players are guilty of that also.

To call him a hack is just ridiculous. Lets see how he's going after 50 games.

It's just like all those idiots writing off Dale Thomas, just gives me something funny to read.

[LukeHodge15]

It's just like all those idiots writing off Dale Thomas, just gives me something funny to read.


Gives me another reason not to come to the draft and trading board expecting some good intelligent debate and opinions, some people have next to no idea.

[Demonheart]

Gives me another reason not to come to the draft and trading board expecting some good intelligent debate and opinions, some people have next to no idea.

You very quickly realise who are the posters who actually know what they're talking about, it's the only reason why I come back here

[henry123]

[quote=eminbee;11350091]Good point stickman, maybe that's what some of the posters above mean when they refer to his family name. The Melbourne Herald Sun on Monday had brother Jarryd's efficiency at a near game-leading 92%. I saw part of Hawthorn's previous game on TV (the loss against WB in Tas). Hawthorn came out in the 3rd qtr and kicked the first 3 goals with each goal kicker receiving the ball from Jarryd. Efficiency's not a bad trait and maybe it does run in this family. Some of the posters above including the tosser who started it should get a life.[/quote

this thread isnt about cales brother u pipsqueek how about i fu***** smash you

i dont think u realise how big i am

wanna organise a 1 on 1?

or gonna go cry to mumma

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ur all losers who have nothing better to do than talk about football and drafting etc. obviuosly ur all fat and ugly

do u have a life outside of a keyboard and a screen?

[Jono B]

[quote=eminbee;11350091]Good point stickman, maybe that's what some of the posters above mean when they refer to his family name. The Melbourne Herald Sun on Monday had brother Jarryd's efficiency at a near game-leading 92%. I saw part of Hawthorn's previous game on TV (the loss against WB in Tas). Hawthorn came out in the 3rd qtr and kicked the first 3 goals with each goal kicker receiving the ball from Jarryd. Efficiency's not a bad trait and maybe it does run in this family. Some of the posters above including the tosser who started it should get a life.[/quote

this thread isnt about cales brother u pipsqueek how about i fu***** smash you

i dont think u realise how big i am

wanna organise a 1 on 1?

or gonna go cry to mumma

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ur all losers who have nothing better to do than talk about football and drafting etc. obviuosly ur all fat and ugly

do u have a life outside of a keyboard and a screen?
Hahahaha.

[Ruse]

[quote=eminbee;11350091]Good point stickman, maybe that's what some of the posters above mean when they refer to his family name. The Melbourne Herald Sun on Monday had brother Jarryd's efficiency at a near game-leading 92%. I saw part of Hawthorn's previous game on TV (the loss against WB in Tas). Hawthorn came out in the 3rd qtr and kicked the first 3 goals with each goal kicker receiving the ball from Jarryd. Efficiency's not a bad trait and maybe it does run in this family. Some of the posters above including the tosser who started it should get a life.[/quote

this thread isnt about cales brother u pipsqueek how about i fu***** smash you

i dont think u realise how big i am

wanna organise a 1 on 1?

or gonna go cry to mumma

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ur all losers who have nothing better to do than talk about football and drafting etc. obviuosly ur all fat and ugly

do u have a life outside of a keyboard and a screen?
roflmao. This has to be post of the week.






For the record I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.




Big woop wanna fight about it?

[NorthBhoy]

WTF happened here?

[Lance Uppercut]

this thread isnt about cales brother u pipsqueek how about i fu***** smash you

i dont think u realise how big i am

wanna organise a 1 on 1?

or gonna go cry to mumma

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ur all losers who have nothing better to do than talk about football and drafting etc. obviuosly ur all fat and ugly

do u have a life outside of a keyboard and a screen?

:D :D you absolute chump!

[mpal6]

[quote=eminbee;11350091]Good point stickman, maybe that's what some of the posters above mean when they refer to his family name. The Melbourne Herald Sun on Monday had brother Jarryd's efficiency at a near game-leading 92%. I saw part of Hawthorn's previous game on TV (the loss against WB in Tas). Hawthorn came out in the 3rd qtr and kicked the first 3 goals with each goal kicker receiving the ball from Jarryd. Efficiency's not a bad trait and maybe it does run in this family. Some of the posters above including the tosser who started it should get a life.[/quote

this thread isnt about cales brother u pipsqueek how about i fu***** smash you

i dont think u realise how big i am

wanna organise a 1 on 1?

or gonna go cry to mumma

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ur all losers who have nothing better to do than talk about football and drafting etc. obviuosly ur all fat and ugly

do u have a life outside of a keyboard and a screen?

whoa.. looks like the word tosser hit a nerve..

[sharks19]

What a loser

[Eagles!!!]

Just to let you all know, all the brothers are good especially Mitch and Cale. The reason WCE had to let Mitch go was, although being exceptionally talented, his ego was bigger than Subiaco oval. He was not ready to put in hard yards, do the 1% etc and also his dad use to speak to Woosha about his disappointment in Mitch not getting selected. Woosha has tried to instill the same values in his players as his playing days and when it was obvious that Mitch wasn't ready to improve thjose areas, he was cut loose.

As a WCE supporter, I had seriously hoped WCE to retain Mitch's service as he was/is seriously talented, but unless he improves other areas he could never do justice to his own self.

Re cale - I think Mitch had left a sour taste in our mouth especially his dad, and as a result WCE didn't choose to recruit Cale. Having said that, both of them are very talented and hopefully they achieve what they deserve.

[dazzledavey36]

[quote=eminbee;11350091]Good point stickman, maybe that's what some of the posters above mean when they refer to his family name. The Melbourne Herald Sun on Monday had brother Jarryd's efficiency at a near game-leading 92%. I saw part of Hawthorn's previous game on TV (the loss against WB in Tas). Hawthorn came out in the 3rd qtr and kicked the first 3 goals with each goal kicker receiving the ball from Jarryd. Efficiency's not a bad trait and maybe it does run in this family. Some of the posters above including the tosser who started it should get a life.[/quote

this thread isnt about cales brother u pipsqueek how about i fu***** smash you

i dont think u realise how big i am

wanna organise a 1 on 1?

or gonna go cry to mumma

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ur all losers who have nothing better to do than talk about football and drafting etc. obviuosly ur all fat and ugly

do u have a life outside of a keyboard and a screen?


u wud have to be the biggest tool i have ever witnessed! jeez acting all tough in front of the computer ey buddy?
you need to let those fat ass fingers of yours a break bro. now wat time is nap time for you pre schooles??

[blaisee]

Cale Morton could very well end up being the best player taken in his draft

He is an elite kick

He is an elite endurance athlete

He is 192cm

His marking is very underrated


Once he comes to terms with the pace of afl football, he will nightmare match up.

I think we should wait three year and re-evaluate. He has evertything going for him in the modern game.

The fact that Chris Masten was taken ahead of Morton is just inexpicable to me. Dead set nepotism, without a doubt.

Morton is going to be a superstar

[McLean_4_Captain]

The fact that Chris Masten was taken ahead of Morton is just inexpicable to me. Dead set nepotism, without a doubt.

Morton is going to be a superstar

Wouldn't it be anti-nepotism seeing as Morton has the family ties to West Coast?

[woe31]

I think we should wait three year and re-evaluate.

Why would you go and ruin this thread by posting sense like that? If we can't judge him now, how are we supposed to be amused by henry's hate filled rants in the near future? :p

As for henry, what is your connection to Cale? You can't seriously just be an observer.... man up and tell us!

[didak04]

[quote=eminbee;11350091]Good point stickman, maybe that's what some of the posters above mean when they refer to his family name. The Melbourne Herald Sun on Monday had brother Jarryd's efficiency at a near game-leading 92%. I saw part of Hawthorn's previous game on TV (the loss against WB in Tas). Hawthorn came out in the 3rd qtr and kicked the first 3 goals with each goal kicker receiving the ball from Jarryd. Efficiency's not a bad trait and maybe it does run in this family. Some of the posters above including the tosser who started it should get a life.[/quote

this thread isnt about cales brother u pipsqueek how about i fu***** smash you

i dont think u realise how big i am

wanna organise a 1 on 1?

or gonna go cry to mumma

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ur all losers who have nothing better to do than talk about football and drafting etc. obviuosly ur all fat and ugly

do u have a life outside of a keyboard and a screen?

oops look out, got a keyboard rambo on our hands. Easy to make threats from behind a keyboard isn't it?

On the subject of Morton i will admit i haven't seen a lot of him. But what i seen in the Queens Birthday match didn't fill me with confidence. He seemed very slow and lacked awareness of what was around him and also intensity. Maybe it was just a one off and obviously supporters of the Demons are better placed to make an observation on the kid, but that is my view from what i've seen

[Lynch takes a mark]

The fact that Chris Masten was taken ahead of Morton is just inexpicable to me. Dead set nepotism, without a doubt.

Morton is going to be a superstar
Quite simple really, ignoring the very weak connection with Masten & having his god mother as the wife of one of the senior footy department managers or Morton having links to WAFL football in the 70's & 80's.

Masten is an elite inside midfielder, duel sided kicking and will have the engine to outrun any tagger. Expect him to be leading the West Coast in 'goal created' & 'effective clearances' for about 13 or 14 seasons.

Morton floats around as the teams designated kicker, has the turning circle of a truck, has a long load time on his kicks (which when he does get a hold of them are awesome) and is useless in traffic.

Stick a tagger who has a similar engine to him (from west coast that could be any one of 5 guys) and the Dees lose their designated kicker & Morton has no impact on the game. Picture Adam Selwood on Morton, Selwood wouldn't give him an inch during the 120 minutes of footy, he would match him for height, engine and reading of the play.

It's like comparing Simon Black to Andrew Embley - one is ultra consistent for the team and the other plays about 4 good games a year but both have been BOG in a grand final. Pendlebury is great in the way that he gets the ball in traffic and has the composure to step his way out of danger, Morton doesn't - he just doesn't have the lateral movement.

Morton is a perpetual motion type of player that is unbelievable well suited to distance running, long stride, no acceleration off the mark and built like a bird, at best you would be hoping for a Cam Bruce level player. Masten wins the ball in close better than any west coast recruit since Kerr & Judd - he is tough, has a huge engine and is very efficient (shot load time) in the way he disposes of the ball.

[blaisee]

Wouldn't it be anti-nepotism seeing as Morton has the family ties to West Coast?

Nesbitt is mastens godfather

[blaisee]

Quite simple really, ignoring the very weak connection with Masten & having his god mother as the wife of one of the senior footy department managers or Morton having links to WAFL football in the 70's & 80's.

Masten is an elite inside midfielder, duel sided kicking and will have the engine to outrun any tagger. Expect him to be leading the West Coast in 'goal created' & 'effective clearances' for about 13 or 14 seasons.

Morton floats around as the teams designated kicker, has the turning circle of a truck, has a long load time on his kicks (which when he does get a hold of them are awesome) and is useless in traffic.

Stick a tagger who has a similar engine to him (from west coast that could be any one of 5 guys) and the Dees lose their designated kicker & Morton has no impact on the game. Picture Adam Selwood on Morton, Selwood wouldn't give him an inch during the 120 minutes of footy, he would match him for height, engine and reading of the play.

It's like comparing Simon Black to Andrew Embley - one is ultra consistent for the team and the other plays about 4 good games a year but both have been BOG in a grand final. Pendlebury is great in the way that he gets the ball in traffic and has the composure to step his way out of danger, Morton doesn't - he just doesn't have the lateral movement.

Morton is a perpetual motion type of player that is unbelievable well suited to distance running, long stride, no acceleration off the mark and built like a bird, at best you would be hoping for a Cam Bruce level player. Masten wins the ball in close better than any west coast recruit since Kerr & Judd - he is tough, has a huge engine and is very efficient (shot load time) in the way he disposes of the ball.

I couldnt disagree more with this post

Masten apart from the 800 metre times, is nothing like Simon Black, Simon Black is 185cm elite user of the ball. Masten is 178cm and very iffy with his disposal. Yea he can get a clearance but to compare him with Simon Black is very very OTT in my opinion

And as for Cale Mortons 20 metre speed, he runs under 3 seconds, which is better than what masten has ever done.

We are gunna have to agree to disagree on this one ,and revisit this post in about three years.

Cale Morton will be a better player than Can Bruce IMHO
and Chad Fletcher is a better footballer than Chris Masten will be.

Just my honest opinion

[Lynch takes a mark]

Nesbitt is mastens godfather

By Nesbitt do you mean Trevor Woodhouse's wife ?

[pinkus maximus]

masten is more like marc murphy

[tigers09]

what did you all expect from morton in his first 11 games?
hes a bottom age player?
someone tell me what he is doing wrong?

[melbourne150]

what did you all expect from morton in his first 11 games?
hes a bottom age player?
someone tell me what he is doing wrong?

He's done nothing wrong.

Some of the people on here are just idiots.....

[jgb99]

I couldnt disagree more with this post

Masten apart from the 800 metre times, is nothing like Simon Black, Simon Black is 185cm elite user of the ball. Masten is 178cm and very iffy with his disposal. Yea he can get a clearance but to compare him with Simon Black is very very OTT in my opinion

And as for Cale Mortons 20 metre speed, he runs under 3 seconds, which is better than what masten has ever done.

We are gunna have to agree to disagree on this one ,and revisit this post in about three years.

Cale Morton will be a better player than Can Bruce IMHO
and Chad Fletcher is a better footballer than Chris Masten will be.

Just my honest opinion


Inside mid with lightning hands, good tackler, good short range kick, v.good assist player (joint 1st for GA at WC) and excellent running capabilities, also an East Freo boy too :thumsu: I'd say they are very Black like qualities. Not saying he'll be as good as or he'll definitely reach Black's levels, but many would agree there are many similarities between the 2. Masten runs a sub 3s 20m time too. He's already shown he can be a more damaging player than Fletcher.</p>

[Azdrubal]

[/quote]

this thread isnt about cales brother u pipsqueek how about i fu***** smash you

i dont think u realise how big i am

wanna organise a 1 on 1?

or gonna go cry to mumma

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ur all losers who have nothing better to do than talk about football and drafting etc. obviuosly ur all fat and ugly

do u have a life outside of a keyboard and a screen?[/quote]

Coupla things Henry old china!
Get some help ...................seriously!
+ I read this whole post so How come you say your Richmond and your dads Melbourne but your ID says Geelong? Poor form :thumbsd:

[fev13]

this thread isnt about cales brother u pipsqueek how about i fu***** smash you

i dont think u realise how big i am

wanna organise a 1 on 1?

or gonna go cry to mumma

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ur all losers who have nothing better to do than talk about football and drafting etc. obviuosly ur all fat and ugly










Probaly cale talking crap like he did when he used to live in perth. I would compare him with a notte, but notte has way more potential and some of the best pairs of hands ive ever seen.

Also goes quiet in big games like the colts grand final last year.

[NorthBhoy]

I hope we can move past henry's mental breakdown. ____ing lunatic.

Watched Cale closely today. Seriously underwhelmed. Absolutely torched the footy.

[CaleMorton]

his last two weeks havent been great. 20 touches and i believe 6 clangers. Didnt see todays game but i'd think that Bailey may consider giving him a week at Sandy. Still really like the kid. Got loads of potential and I have seen enough to make me believe he will be a quality player. He just needs some confidence. On the bright side at least he got a bit of the ball today.

[Palmer Stoat]

I hope we can move past henry's mental breakdown. ____ing lunatic.

Watched Cale closely today. Seriously underwhelmed. Absolutely torched the footy.

Yeah, his kicking against Collingwood the week before was awful, which surprised me. I saw him play in the U18s and his kicking looked to be absolutely elite.

[cannons]

Yeah, his kicking against Collingwood the week before was awful, which surprised me. I saw him play in the U18s and his kicking looked to be absolutely elite.

Earlier in the season, particularly against Geelong he was very good with his skills. He seems to have lost some confidence recently, and I believe he lacks composure at AFL level due to the enhanced pace.

I think the problem may relate to mental attributes more so than physical ability. In any case, maybe a week at Sandy would be good for restoration of his confidence.

In addition, that mental meltdown from Henry was really something, Cale hasn't got too many problems when you compare his efforts to that.