View Full Version : Kosi - any interest
Atomboy
12 Jun 2008, 10:59
As much as it pains me to say, Kosi seems to be one guy the Saints can probably lose in order to bring in some new talent.
Had alot of unlucky injury problems, and the game style we are playing now isn't doing him any favours.
Is still a great contested mark and works really well around the ground (why Lyon doesn't just play him in that role I have no idea). His kicking for goal is very good as well when we put the ball in his hands.
Anyone interested ?. I think he would be great in a fast highly skilled team like the Dogs, who can actually put a ball on his chest as opposed to over his head or at this feet.
Gia delivering the ball laceout to Kosi has an ironical ring about it ;)
Hawks1523
12 Jun 2008, 11:44
To be honest, his lack of awareness and ways he gets injuried is a concern about him possibly moving clubs.
Anti Gold Coast
12 Jun 2008, 12:07
2nd rounder?
itsintheblood
12 Jun 2008, 13:24
As much as it pains me to say, Kosi seems to be one guy the Saints can probably lose in order to bring in some new talent.
Had alot of unlucky injury problems, and the game style we are playing now isn't doing him any favours.
Is still a great contested mark and works really well around the ground (why Lyon doesn't just play him in that role I have no idea). His kicking for goal is very good as well when we put the ball in his hands.
Anyone interested ?. I think he would be great in a fast highly skilled team like the Dogs, who can actually put a ball on his chest as opposed to over his head or at this feet.
Gia delivering the ball laceout to Kosi has an ironical ring about it ;)
Three things stkilda need badly right now. A decent ruckman, big strong key forward, and a CHB. Kosi should fill any of these spots. Problem is he aint and if he can't do it at stkilda what would change at another club?
His obvious issue is his lack of periferal vision and he's injury prone. Best is past him Im afraid and not many clubs will be willing to give up a first rounder for him considering the draft is shot for 2 years from 2010.
Atomboy
12 Jun 2008, 17:28
Three things stkilda need badly right now. A decent ruckman, big strong key forward, and a CHB. Kosi should fill any of these spots. Problem is he aint and if he can't do it at stkilda what would change at another club?
His obvious issue is his lack of periferal vision and he's injury prone. Best is past him Im afraid and not many clubs will be willing to give up a first rounder for him considering the draft is shot for 2 years from 2010.
He can fill the first two quite well, but the team ain't doing the right thing by him at the moment.
He will never be CHB, too slow now.
Could be a good fit for Sydney if Everitt is finished....
The Grover
12 Jun 2008, 17:47
He can fill the first two quite well, but the team ain't doing the right thing by him at the moment.
He will never be CHB, too slow now.
Could be a good fit for Sydney if Everitt is finished....
Yep Sydney is the one, they'll give up their 1st round pick.
Anthony_
12 Jun 2008, 17:59
As much as it pains me to say, Kosi seems to be one guy the Saints can probably lose in order to bring in some new talent.
Had alot of unlucky injury problems, and the game style we are playing now isn't doing him any favours.
Is still a great contested mark and works really well around the ground (why Lyon doesn't just play him in that role I have no idea). His kicking for goal is very good as well when we put the ball in his hands.
Anyone interested ?. I think he would be great in a fast highly skilled team like the Dogs, who can actually put a ball on his chest as opposed to over his head or at this feet.
Gia delivering the ball laceout to Kosi has an ironical ring about it ;)
What do you want for him? His trade stocks have lowered in recent years.
ssfc0203
12 Jun 2008, 18:07
Yep Sydney is the one, they'll give up their 1st round pick.
No, actually. As long as new clubs are being introduced, you'd think every team would take their chance at top of the crop young talent.
eyeofthetiger
12 Jun 2008, 20:00
theres a rumour goin around tambling for kosi. total crap id say.
Barry Schneider
12 Jun 2008, 20:17
He is on very good money isn't he?Might scare off some clubs unless he is willing to take a pay cut.
doggiesin08
12 Jun 2008, 21:33
Sydney might as well trade their first pick the way they draft them early.
* this is based just that their past 2 first round picks havn't played yet. Just a quesion, is Daniel O'Keefe doing anything decent in the magoos?
ssfc0203
12 Jun 2008, 22:21
Sydney might as well trade their first pick the way they draft them early.
* this is based just that their past 2 first round picks havn't played yet. Just a quesion, is Daniel O'Keefe doing anything decent in the magoos?
He's been injured, as have been our two first picks from last year. We like for them to spend a year or more just conditioning their bodies in the reserves against the more mature bodies of older players, to come out and debut for a few games and work on the areas they feel they need to.
DOK and Veszpremi in particular have had some ongoing groin problems. Whether they're the beginnings of OP or not, I'm not sure, but it has been prolonged. Meredith's shoulder is injured from what I recall.
We're not very big on chucking first year players into the deep end from the word go, but from what I've seen, Veszpremi, DOK and Meredith will be very, very good.
swansong 13#
13 Jun 2008, 15:39
A one daniel sijmons would not b 2 impressed if Kosi depatred from the sainters
To be honest, his lack of awareness and ways he gets injuried is a concern about him possibly moving clubs.
Exactly what I would have said. I also suspect that St.Kilda would want too much for him as well.
didak04
13 Jun 2008, 16:54
i'd love him at collingwood, with rocca coming towards the end of his career a tall forward is just what we need. We don't really have much to offer for him though
Atomboy
13 Jun 2008, 17:41
i'd love him at collingwood, with rocca coming towards the end of his career a tall forward is just what we need. We don't really have much to offer for him though
pretty similar player to Josh Fraser as well I would have thought.
subanwallan
14 Jun 2008, 01:09
i want him to stay at stkilda just hoping he is out of form and i hope he gets back into some good form.id like to c him at CHB he took some good contested marks sunday
fraser25
14 Jun 2008, 01:45
trade him to the gold coast when they have all those top picks. you can be sure they'll over-pay on a few.
The Teflon Dean
14 Jun 2008, 10:38
Saints would want too much for him.
Good player, but too risky.
Corey Jones & Jess Sinclair?
Corey Jones plus a third round pick?
year of the roo
14 Jun 2008, 15:25
Saints would want too much for him.
Good player, but too risky.
Corey Jones & Jess Sinclair?
Corey Jones plus a third round pick?
Huh? Jones > Kosi. Forever and always.
The 747
14 Jun 2008, 15:35
More than a few teams would be interested but depends what St Kilda want for him. New teams coming in in the next few years will see draft picks rise in percieved value relative to mid age players. I don't know if anyone would pay a first rounder for him this year.
goodie23
14 Jun 2008, 16:00
Saints would want too much for him.
Good player, but too risky.
Corey Jones & Jess Sinclair?
Corey Jones plus a third round pick?
Not Sinclair, anyone but Sinclair.
Friend of mine who supports North was very happy to tell me he hasn't played a game all year (he was off by a game, but his point was well taken)
beatlesmith
14 Jun 2008, 16:18
the eagles would kill for him! We now have a high quality CHF (kennedy) and 2 very promising smaller forwards (lecras and mckinley) and all we need is a big strong FF. Kosi would also be a very handy backup ruck meaning we could trade seaby to get draft picks.
Staker, Graham, rosa, Hansen, seaby, maybe mackenzie, and any pick other than our first would be up for trade. Staker+2nd pick+?? We could also afford to give him a good wage.
The 747
14 Jun 2008, 17:32
the eagles would kill for him! We now have a high quality CHF (kennedy) and 2 very promising smaller forwards (lecras and mckinley) and all we need is a big strong FF. Kosi would also be a very handy backup ruck meaning we could trade seaby to get draft picks.
Staker, Graham, rosa, Hansen, seaby, maybe mackenzie, and any pick other than our first would be up for trade. Staker+2nd pick+?? We could also afford to give him a good wage.
Err no chance St Kilda want one of your hack talls for their underperforming gun tall. Another club will do better than Hack + pick 22 IMO.
gopower
14 Jun 2008, 17:54
Even though I hate him, I'd love him to come to Port because we need a ruckman and a key forward and he can be both. But I wouldn't want anymore than a third-rounder, maybe a second rounder if we can trade with someone else to get another one, and a young fringe player (Krakouer, Bentley etc.) to be given away for him, and I doubt the saints would take that.
I wouldnt want him at WC. Carlton should however look at a player like him if they can get him cheaply.
Gunnar Longshanks
16 Jun 2008, 06:06
the eagles would kill for him! We now have a high quality CHF (kennedy) and 2 very promising smaller forwards (lecras and mckinley) and all we need is a big strong FF.We'd kill for Koschitzke?
I don't think so.
We have plenty of developing talls and a gun ruckman.
We need more mids.
I wouldn't go anywhere near a player with Kosi's history of injuries.
stifler's mom
18 Jun 2008, 14:18
Kosi for carlton's 1st round pick.
Mayesy_23
18 Jun 2008, 17:42
Kosi for carlton's 1st round pick.
Yeah. My ass.
budge11
18 Jun 2008, 17:57
Not Sinclair, anyone but Sinclair.
Friend of mine who supports North was very happy to tell me he hasn't played a game all year (he was off by a game, but his point was well taken)
Well jeepers, if your mate says no then that's the end of it!
Masten2McKinley
19 Jun 2008, 02:30
to many injuries you cant trust his body, could have been anything but his injuries hav really pulled him down,
just needs to hold 1 position
True Bluebagger
19 Jun 2008, 02:37
I wouldnt want him at WC. Carlton should however look at a player like him if they can get him cheaply.
A straight swap for Houla or a 2nd round pick would be about right IMHO.
I might be wrong but I don't think many clubs would be prepared to give up a 1st rounder for him, considering how injury prone he is at this point of his career.
DTHitman
19 Jun 2008, 11:22
We're not very big on chucking first year players into the deep end from the word go, but from what I've seen, Veszpremi, DOK and Meredith will be very, very good.
Who you think is the best out of those 3?
i went to school + played footy with veszpremi, gun :thumbsu:
goodie23
19 Jun 2008, 11:35
Well jeepers, if your mate says no then that's the end of it!
Well it kind of says something when a club supporter is relieved a player isn't playing.
I wasn't too impressed with what I saw of him in the semi final last year.
No thankyou
Obeanie1
19 Jun 2008, 18:55
Not many clubs will want to talk about trading a player to WC, looks like they will have a very low PSD pick (2 or 3) and Melbourne IMO will use theirs on Warnock from the Dockers. If Melbourne can arrange at trade for either Warnock or Kosi then they could still use their PSD #1 pick for the other.
How good would that be from the Demons.
Warnock or Kosi traded for 2nd Round pick 19.
Kosi or Warnock picked up in PSD Pick #1
Basically snare a 20yr old 200+cm ruck plus a 25yr old 200+cm Ruck / KP Forward for a 2nd round pick and a PSD pick.
THEN they grab Rich with pick 1 and another quality KPP with pick 17.
Cyborg_
20 Jun 2008, 18:36
Kosi just does not have the leg speed to get out into the open and take easy marks. He is a very good pack mark and good 1 on 1. But he just does not rack up easy marks and possessions by out running opponents. Working them over and tiring them out. Then push deeper and draw a free kick or take an easier contested mark in the goal square.
His game is all about wrestling and taking marks in contested situations. if a team has a good power defender then they play him 1 on 1. If they are a bit undersized then they will have a 3rd man up and then burn him on the rebound.
Injuries, a lack of confidence, game getting quicker and teams working him out have all contributed to his decline. Still will have some very good games but week in week out will find himself stuck with multiple opponents around him and have the ball spoiled constantly and then be helpless as quicker players run it away from him.
Power forwards like Pav and Brown have more mobility, agility, better below their knees, more pace off the mark and can run all day.
The 747
21 Jun 2008, 13:45
A straight swap for Houla or a 2nd round pick would be about right IMHO.
I might be wrong but I don't think many clubs would be prepared to give up a 1st rounder for him, considering how injury prone he is at this point of his career.
:o Come on now
This is crazy! How much do people over value draft picks these days? Some guys on here wouldn't give up a second rounder for him! What are the chances that a guy picked in the second round will have a better career than Kosi. What about anyone taken outside the top 10.
The 747
21 Jun 2008, 16:35
This is crazy! How much do people over value draft picks these days? Some guys on here wouldn't give up a second rounder for him! What are the chances that a guy picked in the second round will have a better career than Kosi. What about anyone taken outside the top 10.
Because the football world has already seen the strengths/weakness of any particular player and made a (subjective) judgement.
A draft pick represents the unknown hope and the chance of snagging a champion kid who will play ten years for a club. Not that the vast majority actually do that but.....
If I were Sydney I would give up my first round draft pick for Kosi - no question.
gandaal
21 Jun 2008, 18:23
Saints can keep the chalk man. Who else would want him?
This is crazy! How much do people over value draft picks these days? Some guys on here wouldn't give up a second rounder for him! What are the chances that a guy picked in the second round will have a better career than Kosi. What about anyone taken outside the top 10.
You are right - Kosi is worth a Top 10 pick. I just don't think it would be in Freos interest to trade for him as we need midfielders more than anything.
NeilElvis
21 Jun 2008, 20:39
I really can't see Kosi being traded. I know we've been saying it for years but his upside is still huge and he is not the problem at Moorabbin.
This pre-season was the first he has managed to do since his first in 2000/2001 & he has struggled for form along with 95% of the rest of the side.
I agree that there is unlikely to be any clubs trade early picks & St.Kilda just needs to be ruthless with fringe players, replace them with kids & have another crack at the top 4 in 2-3 years time.
They've just gotta stick to a youth policy & build around the core group of quality players. Easy to say, hard for a coach under the pump to stick to.
we'll trade hackland or a second rounder for him, id love him to be at carlton, coz he has got potential, even though he is injury prone!
chiliboy
25 Jun 2008, 01:56
I actually heard a guy on SEN saying the dees and Kosi would work..
Dees need a Key forward, kosi needs a new start..
But yeah, Dees will take Warnock in PSd or a trade..
Kossi could be secured by a trade, simply pick 19, or even a later pick and Bruce to balance out the cap, and Bruce would do ok 4 saints imo..