Morton - Happy thus far?

[CaptainDavey]

I have been reading some criticism of Cale on the Drafts board, most of it dating back prior to him being drafted, and he has played the majority of the season, and personally I am quite happy with our pick up. Of course he hasn't exploded out of the blocks like a Palmer, or now Cotchin, but I think with time he will be the classy player we have been crying out for to finish off Jonesy's and Brock's hard work at the bottom of the packs.

When you look at who was taken after Cale with the likes of Rioli, Ebert, Palmer some may suggest we frucked this one up but he'll come good and I have been quite happy with his progress this season.

Just kick it properly son!

Any thoughts, criticisms, views?

[Supermercado]

Get him on the roids ASAP. Should be a handy player, but doesn't scream superstar quality.

[wce_all_da_way]

From a neutral supporter and one who's seen him play a bit pre AFL, he needs some time out of AFL. A rest every so often, because he is not big enough to keep at it yet. Need to be cautious with him because if you overplay him now when it's doing no good it can damage his habits for his career. That said in 3-4 years he will be looked back on as a good selection and a classy player.

[CaptainDavey]

From a neutral supporter and one who's seen him play a bit pre AFL, he needs some time out of AFL. A rest every so often, because he is not big enough to keep at it yet. Need to be cautious with him because if you overplay him now when it's doing no good it can damage his habits for his career. That said in 3-4 years he will be looked back on as a good selection and a classy player.

Given you've seen him more than us I guess, can you liken him to an already established AFL player? I have heard Pavlich but that just seemed ridiculous at this stage but someone suggested Birchall which seemed more feasible. Any ideas?

[okonkwo]

he hasnt set the world on fire but i think hel come through.

i havnt seen ebert play but i dont think rioli wouldve been the player we wanted and palmer didnt want to leave WA so i think we did ok.

[HBF]

The one issue most WA people have with him was where he would settle as a player. I had the same concerns. Personally, i'd play him on a wing, and with his sublime foot skills, could tear opposition clubs up in the future.

[wce_all_da_way]

Given you've seen him more than us I guess, can you liken him to an already established AFL player? I have heard Pavlich but that just seemed ridiculous at this stage but someone suggested Birchall which seemed more feasible. Any ideas?

LOL Pavlich. That is ridiculous. I couldn't really compare him too much, Birchall is much more reasonable I agree. But even then I find it hard to compare him to anyone. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing in the end I guess we'll find out.

[CowboyFromHell]

Sometimes you need to ignore the peanuts. It's a hard thing to do but the one thing that BigFooty gives EVERYONE is the ability to have an opinion.

Palmer, Rioli and Ebert have exploded out of the blocks better than Cale, but then he is not a similar type of player to the other 3. Rioli is a small forward in a gun side who had no crumbing small forwards previously. We have Davey and added Aussie. Ebert hasn't exactly set the world alight yet although he has been solid. Palmer is one out of the blocks, no doubt about it. But then he is playing for a team with a TERRIBLE midfield.

We need to remember it's Round 11 of their FIRST season. Morton needs some bulk and some time - his skills are very good but he needs to learn to settle down a bit when he has the footy. But that will come.

People just need something to bitch about. Cale is 18 and has played all but one game so far which is pretty darn good if you ask me. If people don't like him, f*ck them. We will have the last laugh.

[Keithy George]

Right now you'd have to say I'd have prefered Palmer. As Merc said, Morton does look like superstar quality. I remember before we drafted him he was likened him to Brendan Goddard, I'd be happy if he became this type of player. DEFINITELY needs to get in the gym. Really, its too early to tell. My only concern is where is his position? We've drafted Morton undoubtedly becuase at junior level he can 'play anywhere' but that doesnt translate to a utility in the AFL. Bate and Dunn are two others who we don't know exactly where to play.

[master bate]

QB was the first time he hasn't looked a composed and talented player which is why I'd drop/rest him for a week. Before that his foot skills have been as good as anyone in our team this year. Palmer has been the one from the draft that we could say we missed (given Kreuzer and Cotchin were gone), but his greatest weakness is his kicking where it is Morton's strength. Right now I'm happy and hopefully Maric and Grimes can get a run or two at the end of the year if they deserve it.

[Tommyneu]

I'm very satisfied with what I've seen thus far from Morton. Considering you wouldn't have expected to play much this season I think he's been a positive to come out of the season so far. Its glaringly obvious that he needs to hit the gym, and his frame can worked on. He's shown all the basics that make a star AFL player. Although his body isn't physically up to AFL standards right now, his decision making and footskills under the pump are that of a 10 year player, not an 18 year old rake in his first 11 games.

[KTLK]

I have been reading some criticism of Cale on the Drafts board, most of it dating back prior to him being drafted, and he has played the majority of the season, and personally I am quite happy with our pick up. Of course he hasn't exploded out of the blocks like a Palmer, or now Cotchin, but I think with time he will be the classy player we have been crying out for to finish off Jonesy's and Brock's hard work at the bottom of the packs.

When you look at who was taken after Cale with the likes of Rioli, Ebert, Palmer some may suggest we frucked this one up but he'll come good and I have been quite happy with his progress this season.

Just kick it properly son!

Any thoughts, criticisms, views?

If Melbourne lost against Carlton last year in round 22, draft pick 2, 18 and 20 will be available and could use pick 2 on Cotchin.
Then if Melbourne don't win more than 4 games this year, priority pick 1 and 2 is on the club's hands. The club can pick Naitainu and Rich easily.

Imagine Naitainu, Cotchin, Rich, Maric (pick 20) and a gun (Pick 18) in the team?

[Sherman Tank]

I was a tad surprised that he played so early on given his size. If he improves his disposal & toughness he'll be an asset, still early days for him though.

[CaptainDavey]

If Melbourne lost against Carlton last year in round 22, draft pick 2, 18 and 20 will be available and could use pick 2 on Cotchin.
Then if Melbourne don't win more than 4 games this year, priority pick 1 and 2 is on the club's hands. The club can pick Naitainu and Rich easily.

Imagine Naitainu, Cotchin, Rich, Maric (pick 20) and a gun (Pick 18) in the team?

As 'ideal' as some people may see that situation, I don't think it's much worse having Natainui, Morton, Grimes, Maric in the team to compliment McLean, Jones, Bate and Garland. I'm very happy with what we have/what we might get and it does not bother me one iota that we defeated Carlton. It was fantastic to see us mop the floor with their non competitive arses

[Bartram_Class]

Very.

No-one expects a first year player to come in and dominate, especially one that is so tall (even Kreuzer took a while to get going) and Cale has shown enough firstly to keep a spot in the team on merit, whilst also showcasing a few of the skills that had him down as a certain top 5 pick.

The awareness to spot up Bruce against Adelaide, and also Jones in the Bulldogs(?) game can't be taught, it was just brilliant.

[Bartram_Class]

Get him on the roids ASAP. Should be a handy player, but doesn't scream superstar quality.
Screams 200+ game player though.

I'm hoping Grimes will be the one that can go that extra step to the elite.

[unstable punt]

If Melbourne lost against Carlton last year in round 22, draft pick 2, 18 and 20 will be available and could use pick 2 on Cotchin.
Then if Melbourne don't win more than 4 games this year, priority pick 1 and 2 is on the club's hands. The club can pick Naitainu and Rich easily.

Imagine Naitainu, Cotchin, Rich, Maric (pick 20) and a gun (Pick 18) in the team?

we don't get a priority pick if we end up with less than 5 wins because we had 5 last year. Morton's been pretty good and when he bulks up will be a topline midfielder no doubt

[chopper41]

He reminds alot of a young Cameron Bruce. I'd probably rather Palmer in hindsight, but i think he'll be worth the pick with 20kg's added.

[Deefolt]

we don't get a priority pick if we end up with less than 5 wins because we had 5 last year. Morton's been pretty good and when he bulks up will be a topline midfielder no doubt
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he said if we lost...
that would mean 4 games, and generally, this is generally but generally 4 is less then 5... can i get confirmation on this..

[ExTasDeeMan]

Happy with his exposure thus far - as soon as he bulks up and gets confident in his disposal, all will be good.

When he as the ball, he has ample time, a skill that can't be teached.

[cannons]

All of the issues I've seen with him relate to composure, the pace is very high in the AFL, and he's still adjusting from what I've seen. I think he'll be a star, no doubt.

I think it would be ridiculous to make comparisons between the players in this year's draft just yet. For the good players, their careers will span 11 years, not 11 rounds. So any comparison at this point is futile.

[KTLK]

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he said if we lost...
that would mean 4 games, and generally, this is generally but generally 4 is less then 5... can i get confirmation on this..

Generally, if MFC lost to Carlton last year, MFC won 4 games. Then, this year, if MFC win no more than 3, MFC will get the Priorty Pick 1 and round 1 Pick = 2.

To win the priorty pick, clubs should not win 8 games in 2 seasons, that is 4 in each season.

[davey_magik]

I'm a massive fan of Cale. Those who don't rate him are fools, he's 11 games into his 1st year FFS and averaging around 15 touches a game. We know he has great skills and composure, but he is still a kid and needs to get a lot of AFL experience (And strength) into him before he can be the star we know he could be.

[bringbackschwarter5]

Very happy to get him, all this crap about wanting Palmer insted is rubbish. We have already seen the best of Palmer and he wont do much more than he does now

[Bartram_Class]

His brother looked very nice last night for the Hawks.

Re Palmer, he would be too similar to the short, stocky midfielders we have in aplenty (McLean, Moloney, Jones, Valenti).

[melbournemartin]

But Palmer is a lot quicker than our guys whom you mentioned.

I do like Palmer and Morton has some catching up to do. It is only an early stage though. Hopefully he can turn it on against his brother this evening!

[CaptainDavey]

I think that it was one of those drafts where irrespective of which team took a player in the top 10, they'd be stoked with what they got. It would have been particularly difficult to go into a draft as good as that and come out of it disappointed...You'd need a monumental fruck up of drafting proportions to let that happen

[Clean Heels]

So far tonight against Richmond, Cale has done some very good things..

Comparisons to Palmer are unfair - as they are completely different types of players.

[stEdy]

Cale needs a run at sandy to gain some confidence

[Bartram_Class]

Cale needs a run at sandy to gain some confidence
Couple of bad mistakes in that last quarter, at least he presents, he demands the ball.

I wouldn't disagree if he was dropped but I wouldn't be surprised if Bails persisted with him either.

[Keithy George]

Sandy time

[master bate]

Should have played for Sandy this week, I think he is just a little bit down on confidence, so worries when he gets the ball and isn't using it as he should. Either that or at the 150 year dinner he realised he plays for Melbourne and started playing like it.

[Bartram_Class]

Sandy time
Valenti time?

[Pipefitter]

Needs a spell. Hes all at sea at the moment.

[BROCKTHEROCK]

Leave him in FFS. It's not like we are actually in finals contention, the more experience he gets at this level, the better.

[hullsy]

You can tell he's got talent but i think clubs are now leaving him free because they know they afford to let him go, thus have a free man themselves.

[master bate]

You can tell he's got talent but i think clubs are now leaving him free because they know they afford to let him go, thus have a free man themselves.If he kicks the way he did early in the season you would be mad to leave him loose. I week or two at Sandy and he will be back.

[Dez!]

Need to cripple him to ensure he gets a break me thinks.

[melbournemartin]

Terrible game today. Looks petrified when the ball goes near him. I know that we are building for the future but give him some confidence at Sandy.

[Deenamite]

Terrible game today. Looks petrified when the ball goes near him. I know that we are building for the future but give him some confidence at Sandy.

I have to agree. It would have to be one of the worst 20 possession games I've ever seen. He'll be a good player but needs some time in Sandy me thinks.

[cannons]

I was following the game on gameday live. He was racking up stats, but his ranking points were minimal. He must have used the ball badly today.

It isn't always a case of playing in the seniors is the best thing for young players. Sometimes some development at lower levels can act as a vital stepping stone towards the future. In any case, I think he has all the ability to be a star player, and I'm looking forward to his progression.

[bas27]

Cale 'Onions' Morton simply butchered the leather this evening. His ability to find the footy is encouraging but his desicion making and skill execution was nothing short of pittiful for a highly regarded draftee.
I am worried that he will be just a 'terrific junior' player but never a well rounded gun senior AFL midfielder

We can only prey that Ritch is our picked up with our no.1 pick.

Carn the Dees

[davey_magik]

Cale 'Onions' Morton simply butchered the leather this evening. His ability to find the footy is encouraging but his desicion making and skill execution was nothing short of pittiful for a highly regarded draftee.
I am worried that he will be just a 'terrific junior' player but never a well rounded gun senior AFL midfielder

We can only prey that Ritch is our picked up with our no.1 pick.

Carn the Dees

So you've written him off after 12 games?
:rolleyes:

Cale is down on confidence and needs time at Sandy to recover it.

If you had actually seen his u/18 games his disposal, composure and evasion is excellent, he just lacks confidence and strength at AFL level.

FFS some people need to learn to give players time. I'm prepared to give the lad a few years to develop and some fools on here are already saying he was a dud pick.

[CaptainDavey]

I have heard some stories that he is fairly arrogant in his demeanor, which doesn't bother me much but I hope to see that vented onto the football field at some stage and his confidence will be one of his best assets

[saj_21]

I have been reading some criticism of Cale on the Drafts board, most of it dating back prior to him being drafted, and he has played the majority of the season, and personally I am quite happy with our pick up. Of course he hasn't exploded out of the blocks like a Palmer, or now Cotchin, but I think with time he will be the classy player we have been crying out for to finish off Jonesy's and Brock's hard work at the bottom of the packs.

When you look at who was taken after Cale with the likes of Rioli, Ebert, Palmer some may suggest we frucked this one up but he'll come good and I have been quite happy with his progress this season.

Just kick it properly son!

Any thoughts, criticisms, views?

The guys you mentioned are smaller players who were always going to be suited to AFL straight away. Cale has been fast tracked the right option imo. Long term i see him playing at CHF for us at 25-26.

He reminds alot of a young Cameron Bruce. I'd probably rather Palmer in hindsight, but i think he'll be worth the pick with 20kg's added.

What i believe is, what palmer is doing now he will be doin no better for the next 10 years, whereas morton will eventually become a better player. Don't get me rong palmer is a fantastic player, but i believe morton has more imporvment in his game as opposed to palmer.

[The Demon]

Morton will be the goods IMO!

Lets make judgement when he has had a few more senior games under his belt and adds 6-8 kg of muscle to his frame.Don't be too impatient with him.

[tin can sam]

Does anybody remember Cooney in his first year?

He was useless, but look at him now.

Unfortunately nobody's prepared to wait these days. Morton would probably not be getting a game at any other club, he'd just be playing well every week in the VFL, waiting for him to develop.

He'll be a good player, no doubt.

[bas27]

never did i state he was a poor choice in the draft.

i am only making a passing comment that for the past month he has turned the footy over consistency and consequently he needs to return to sandy where he will have more time and space to assure he is hitting his targets...

[peejay]

Liked what i saw yesterday - can see why we wanted him.

[Bojangles17]

hindsight is a wonderful thing that we know too well at punt rd, i know that we were interested, I prefer Cotchin and at this early stage would have Palmer a few lengths clear, however I might add that he looks like a colt with alot of improvement in him:thumbsu:

[saj_21]

hindsight is a wonderful thing that we know too well at punt rd, i know that we were interested, I prefer Cotchin and at this early stage would have Palmer a few lengths clear, however I might add that he looks like a colt with alot of improvement in him:thumbsu:

You blokes have enough mid sized (188-192cm) players on your list you needed a genuine mid fielder that could find and use the footy.

[Bojangles17]

You blokes have enough mid sized (188-192cm) players on your list you needed a genuine mid fielder that could find and use the footy.

my word we did, thats why I was pleased the choice of Kruezer was removed from the process:thumbsu:

[andrew4443]

Been watching Morton for most of this year (had him in my dreamteam) and yesterdays game was one of his worst, he fumbled the ball a few times and his disposal and decision making wasn't really up to scratch. Maybe a couple weeks in the reserves would help him get some confidence

Other then yesterday, morton has been pretty good player for you guys and looks like hes going to turn into a really good player

[Pipefitter]

I'd be very disapointed if he didnt get dropped this week. Im all for "playing the kids" but jesus, he has no weight on him, is looking like hes really gonna start getting smashed around. Clarkson did it to zac dawson, where is he now? It doesnt work.

[Mr Hard Ball Get]

he had 6 critical errors on sunday, the next most by a player in the game was 3...

for a young player boy can he find the footy but does need to get some confidence in the twos where he knows he has a bit more time to dispose

[saj_21]

Been watching Morton for most of this year (had him in my dreamteam) and yesterdays game was one of his worst, he fumbled the ball a few times and his disposal and decision making wasn't really up to scratch. Maybe a couple weeks in the reserves would help him get some confidence

Other then yesterday, morton has been pretty good player for you guys and looks like hes going to turn into a really good player

His skill level has been down for the last 2 weeks, i would much rather a bloke find the footy and turn it over as opposed to not being able to get it at all. Riemours for you guys is similar finds a lot of doesnt always make the best decision or execute it that well but better than him running round with no idea and not finding the ball.

[melbournemartin]

He is having the same issue as Buckley is. Gets a lot of the ball but struggles to use it properly. I'd give Morton a break in the VFL and replace him with Buckley. Just don't play Buckley in defence for God's sake.

[the russian40]

A good thing about Sunday was seeing his brother, who has had a couple of years in the sytstem play for Richmond, he had some good size about him and looked strong. His brother at Hawthorn also has a bit of size, so give it a few years and he will bulk up and get more confidence on the ball

[mustard]

DEES fans would be mad they didnt get Palmer

[The Demon]

DEES fans would be mad they didnt get Palmer

Football recruiting is about longivety of the player for the benefit of the football club Pickle,sorry, I mean mustard!

Let's see who ends up better over a period of time.Be good to hear back from you then!

[mustard]

DEES dont have the best track record for recruiting

[master bate]

DEES fans would be mad they didnt get PalmerMaybe, but surely you would be madder (if thats a word). Palmer >>>>>>Morton>>Myers at the moment, and whilst Myers has plenty of improvement I think Cale has more and is the more likely of the two to catch up to Palmer.

[mustard]

gumby, myers, davey, jetta, remiers, lovett, dempsey, lonergan , nash, stants, neagle..thats our talent.it runs DEEP!

[master bate]

gumby, myers, davey, jetta, remiers, lovett, dempsey, lonergan , nash, stants, neagle..thats our talent.it runs DEEP!Ok this is my last post on this, and your next one might be yours.

Bate > Gumbleton
Morton > Myers
Davey = Davey
Wonaeamirri > Jetta (especially at bargain price)
Newton = Neagle
McLean >>>> Stanton
Jones > Lonergan
Which leaves you with Dempsey, Ryder,Nash, Lovett, Houli, Reimers and a few more
Up against, Sylvia, Dunn, Bell, Moloney, Petterd, Bartram, Buckley, Valenti, Garland, Warnock etc.

If you still believe that your drafting is good or ours is bad, then make a team out of your best players 24 and under and I'll do ours, it will shut you up.

[Tarquin]

gumby, myers, davey, jetta, remiers, lovett, dempsey, lonergan , nash, stants, neagle..thats our talent.it runs DEEP!

Gumby and Dempsey are constantly injured. Jetta, you have to be kidding me, that guy is lucky to be playing AFL at the moment.

Last year the bombers only won games because of one guy, Hird. The best players last year were your old player, Hird, Lucas, Fletcher.... They will ALL be gone by next year.

Back to the Morton chat, comparing him to Palmer is a little stupid. Morton is as skinny as a rake, he needs a couple of years in the gym and given some time to bulk up. He has a MASSIVE tank on him, good height and good skill.

He just does not have the body for AFL at the moment, come back in two or three years time, then you will see how good or bad the decision is.

Personally, I rated Palmer higher than Morton, Myers and Masten from the WA team, but in saying that I think Melbourne already had many players in his mold(Jones, McLean, Sylvia, Moloney).

[saj_21]

Mustard your a clown, firstly dont judge a player after 12 games and secondly i dnt wanna hear about all of essendon young players if i want to i will go and have a read on the essendon board so ____ off!

[mustard]

Ok this is my last post on this, and your next one might be yours.

Bate > Gumbleton
Morton > Myers
Davey = Davey
Wonaeamirri > Jetta (especially at bargain price)
Newton = Neagle
McLean >>>> Stanton
Jones > Lonergan
Which leaves you with Dempsey, Ryder,Nash, Lovett, Houli, Reimers and a few more
Up against, Sylvia, Dunn, Bell, Moloney, Petterd, Bartram, Buckley, Valenti, Garland, Warnock etc.

If you still believe that your drafting is good or ours is bad, then make a team out of your best players 24 and under and I'll do ours, it will shut you up.

Gumby - you cant judge yet because he hasnt got onto the park. but he will probably be better than bate

you were aying you cant judge morton yet because he hasnt played enough games so you cant judge myers yet either that one cancels eachother out

ALWYN has overtaken aron you would THN_INK

Wonemirru is not proven yet. though JETTA is a jet more upside youd think

NEAGLE kills newton. he is a massive lad kicked 5 on the weekend. is the next lloyd. newton is struggling to get a game
mclean AND stanton are even
jones has not much upside wheras lonners has plentty
Remiers and Ryder are the next supertsarts of the comp youd think. a lot of upside there. Ryder has a massive vertical leap and remiers is so tough he reminds of the DONS from the 80s glory days. In fact I have nicknamed him the ENFORCER! Houli, Nash solid midfield brigade rmeinds of the JJ and Solly days of the 2000 flags hard niuts. Dempsey will be a star and Lovett is like the next Longy. As I said this year for the DONs reminds me a lot of the Sheeds baby Bombers in the early 90s right now were probably in te 92 phase so next year would realistically be our first tilt at the flag. I was hoping top 4 for this year but injuires has gotten in the way. having lucas out hasnt helped at all. but with him back as evdidenced in the last few weeks we have pushed a seasoned side like adelaide to the brink and finishiehd off a side that won the flag a few years ago in west coast (and they could have won last year) all this points to the making of a dynasty. if you pay attention Ill think youll see that. as peter jackson said last night 2010 is our flag year i dont think there any doubting that but whos to say with an extra hard preseason we could not do it next year. 93 showed it was possible

[Keithy George]

Is this thread still about Cale Morton or about Essendon's youngsters?

[melbourne150]

Gumby - you cant judge yet because he hasnt got onto the park. but he will probably be better than bate

you were aying you cant judge morton yet because he hasnt played enough games so you cant judge myers yet either that one cancels eachother out

ALWYN has overtaken aron you would THN_INK

Wonemirru is not proven yet. though JETTA is a jet more upside youd think

NEAGLE kills newton. he is a massive lad kicked 5 on the weekend. is the next lloyd. newton is struggling to get a game
mclean AND stanton are even
jones has not much upside wheras lonners has plentty
Remiers and Ryder are the next supertsarts of the comp youd think. a lot of upside there. Ryder has a massive vertical leap and remiers is so tough he reminds of the DONS from the 80s glory days. In fact I have nicknamed him the ENFORCER! Houli, Nash solid midfield brigade rmeinds of the JJ and Solly days of the 2000 flags hard niuts. Dempsey will be a star and Lovett is like the next Longy. As I said this year for the DONs reminds me a lot of the Sheeds baby Bombers in the early 90s right now were probably in te 92 phase so next year would realistically be our first tilt at the flag. I was hoping top 4 for this year but injuires has gotten in the way. having lucas out hasnt helped at all. but with him back as evdidenced in the last few weeks we have pushed a seasoned side like adelaide to the brink and finishiehd off a side that won the flag a few years ago in west coast (and they could have won last year) all this points to the making of a dynasty. if you pay attention Ill think youll see that. as peter jackson said last night 2010 is our flag year i dont think there any doubting that but whos to say with an extra hard preseason we could not do it next year. 93 showed it was possible

Your an absolute idiot, And one of the most biased people on this site.

If you wanna talk your bias shit go back to your own board and do it.:thumbsd:

[Zachy45]

gumby, myers, davey, jetta, remiers, lovett, dempsey, lonergan , nash, stants, neagle..thats our talent.it runs DEEP!

:eek: Talent? That's shocking.

Give me Melbourne's kid's any day of the week!

[Keithy George]

Remiers and Ryder are the next supertsarts of the comp youd think. a lot of upside there. Ryder has a massive vertical leap and remiers is so tough he reminds of the DONS from the 80s glory days. In fact I have nicknamed him the ENFORCER! Houli, Nash solid midfield brigade rmeinds of the JJ and Solly days of the 2000 flags hard niuts. Dempsey will be a star and Lovett is like the next Longy. As I said this year for the DONs reminds me a lot of the Sheeds baby Bombers in the early 90s right now were probably in te 92 phase so next year would realistically be our first tilt at the flag. I was hoping top 4 for this year but injuires has gotten in the way. having lucas out hasnt helped at all. but with him back as evdidenced in the last few weeks we have pushed a seasoned side like adelaide to the brink and finishiehd off a side that won the flag a few years ago in west coast (and they could have won last year) all this points to the making of a dynasty. if you pay attention Ill think youll see that. as peter jackson said last night 2010 is our flag year i dont think there any doubting that but whos to say with an extra hard preseason we could not do it next year. 93 showed it was possible

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[mantis]

Your an absolute idiot, And one of the most biased people on this site.

If you wanna talk your bias shit go back to your own board and do it.:thumbsd:

Yes he is an absolute idiot & troll, but he isn't a Bomber supporter, he posts crap so people will bag the Bombers.

We don't want him on the Bomber board either, trolls like him aren't welcome. :thumbsd:

[cannons]

Gumby - you cant judge yet because he hasnt got onto the park. but he will probably be better than bate

You have made a multitude of assertions, none of which are definite or even probable.

Remiers the next superstar of the game? If you say so.....

Mclean and Stanton even? I know who I would rather have

I agree on Newton and Neagle though, I think Neagle may have him covered at this point.

The quote I have highlighted is particularly ironic. Firstly you say he's been injured so you can't make a judgement on him. So what do you do? Make a judgement saying he'll probably be better than Bate.

Please, in future, try to be more objective. Not every youngster at Essendon has 'a lot of upside' when compared with every other team's youngsters.

[the russian40]

mustard can be expained in two words...school holidays...

[master bate]

mustard can be expained in two words...school holidays...Don't be so rude to all the well meaning kids out there, surely "mental home escape" would be more likely. It was fun to go along with him for a few posts, then I realised how delusional he was and managed to shut him down, either way I wasn't getting back in to his crap.

[saj_21]

Is this thread still about Cale Morton or about Essendon's youngsters?

I agree Keithy, Mustard ____ off and for the record Mclean shits all over Stanton!

[davey_magik]

DEES dont have the best track record for recruiting

Allan :o
Cupido :o
Zantuck :o
Monfries :o
Bradley :o
Bolton :o

[2 Dogs]

As far as Morton goes, the is plenty of upside and development to come before he starts to show his true value to our side. Let the boys put some size on his frame and better endurance so he can run out games and I see him playing midfield in 3 years.

He was never going to have the same first year impact that Palmer and Rioli, or Cotchin even are having. Palmer and Cotchin are dead set guns, and will both be very good players, but as people have said about Jonesy, where does the improvement come? (Note: Not saying these guys won't improve, just the scope and flexibility of their future=midfield) Morton could be anything, from a Goodes-type, provided he puts in the effort and commitment that Goodes does; or he could be injury-prone and end up chasing cheap kicks ala Goddard, which I hope not because he is a dead-set spud.

Patience is the key when we are dealing with Cale. Lets wait and where his potential takes him, because at the moment thats all it is. Grgic had potential too.;)

[RandB]

I have heard some stories that he is fairly arrogant in his demeanor, which doesn't bother me much but I hope to see that vented onto the football field at some stage and his confidence will be one of his best assets
CD this is the very vibe I have picked up in the last few weeks. This kid does not have a confidence problem at all. The problem is that he is playing the way he wants to play and sometimes is getting into trouble and is missing targets. Although these are positive errors (as he is trying and has played positive footy) I think Bailey will need to put his foot down at some stage and just remind the young fella about team rules and team play. I too think that he needs some Sandy time but that is purely from a body development point of view, not simply to drop him - his body needs a break.

All in all I think he has been pretty good though and having these games under his belt will only help him for next year and beyond.

[fishmonger]

he plays like a baby giraffe - shuffling round the field.

you can't teach courage and the kid's got none of it.

he has skills, but he also makes far too many mistakes. He can't take a contested mark.

I reckon the recruiters just looked at the national champs, stuck a hand in the hat and said - "let's hope for a beanpole".

He'd just about cry if you pinched him on the arm.

I wish they'd play Newton. He can take a much better contested mark.

For me, Cotchin, Palmer, Rioli and even Ebert were all better picks based on performance so far.

[Mijhaa]

I wish they'd play Newton. He can take a much better contested mark.

For me, Cotchin, Palmer, Rioli and even Ebert were all better picks based on performance so far.

Well of course Cotchin was a better pick, he was a HIGHER pick. Melbourne no doubt would have taken him if he was available.

And sure, Rioli and Palmer may have had a better season to date, but they also both have a body type which was seemingly ready made for AFL. Palmer at the start of the year was 181cm and 80kg, whilst Rioli came in at 177cm and 78kg. On the other hand, Cale was 191cm and 78kg. So although being 14cm taller that Rioli, he weighed the same.

I think it's pretty clear we will have to wait until he has another pre season or two under his belt and has bulked up before we can really compare.

[fishmonger]

Well of course Cotchin was a better pick, he was a HIGHER pick. Melbourne no doubt would have taken him if he was available.

And sure, Rioli and Palmer may have had a better season to date, but they also both have a body type which was seemingly ready made for AFL. Palmer at the start of the year was 181cm and 80kg, whilst Rioli came in at 177cm and 78kg. On the other hand, Cale was 191cm and 78kg. So although being 14cm taller that Rioli, he weighed the same.

I think it's pretty clear we will have to wait until he has another pre season or two under his belt and has bulked up before we can really compare.

That is - assuming he can put on the weight. But the extra body weight will only make the guy shuffle slower.

Bulking up can give you extra courage, but you need it to start with. Morton plays like a little kid who has just been to the house of horrors.

Ready made ? I seem to recall most people saying that Rioli was fat and slow before the start of the season. Maybe there is something to say for drafting "ready made" footballers.

If he turns out anything like Mitch Morton, I'd be happy with that.

[cannons]

That is - assuming he can put on the weight. But the extra body weight will only make the guy shuffle slower.

Bulking up can give you extra courage, but you need it to start with. Morton plays like a little kid who has just been to the house of horrors.

Ready made ? I seem to recall most people saying that Rioli was fat and slow before the start of the season. Maybe there is something to say for drafting "ready made" footballers.

If he turns out anything like Mitch Morton, I'd be happy with that.

Your first point makes sense. It will be difficult for Cale to put weight on due to his ectomorphic build. However, he still has ability to fill out, just not as much as others.

I think you underestimate the value of time. Players like Cale are not going to walk into the AFL, slight of frame, and be able to compete effectively straight away. It seems like you've already written him off after half a season. Be patient, not everything revolves around the short-term.

As for the ready made business. It has some merit, it provides more certainty in what you pick on draft day. From an alternate viewpoint though, it gives a lesser scope for improvement. It seems highly likely Morton has much more improvement left in him than Palmer does, for example.

I really think Morton will start to have an impact next year, perhaps even the one following. Be patient, with all of the science and effort going into the draft in the modern game, it is unlikely the number 4 pick will end up being a poor selection, unless injury is the cause.

[demonfire]

CD this is the very vibe I have picked up in the last few weeks. This kid does not have a confidence problem at all. The problem is that he is playing the way he wants to play and sometimes is getting into trouble and is missing targets. Although these are positive errors (as he is trying and has played positive footy) I think Bailey will need to put his foot down at some stage and just remind the young fella about team rules and team play. I too think that he needs some Sandy time but that is purely from a body development point of view, not simply to drop him - his body needs a break.

All in all I think he has been pretty good though and having these games under his belt will only help him for next year and beyond.

im not sure about on the field. but off it he's a quiet kid. almost nerdy.

[Pjkimber]

he plays like a baby giraffe - shuffling round the field.

you can't teach courage and the kid's got none of it.

he has skills, but he also makes far too many mistakes. He can't take a contested mark.

I reckon the recruiters just looked at the national champs, stuck a hand in the hat and said - "let's hope for a beanpole".

He'd just about cry if you pinched him on the arm.

I wish they'd play Newton. He can take a much better contested mark.

For me, Cotchin, Palmer, Rioli and even Ebert were all better picks based on performance so far.


You my friend, are a peanut! Set your mind back to RND 1 where in the final quarter Cale went back with the flight of the ball and put his body on the line knowing the game was all but over. If you dont call the courage your as blind as Stevie Wonder.

You wished they played Newton? How can you compare Newton to Morton when Newton will never play in the midfield?

[Prem87]

Judge Morton in 3 years time. He was always a project player and wouldnt have the same impact as Palmer, Ebert, Rioli etc due to his size. He is very talented like his other 2brothers but i still question his hardness. IMO he is a bit soft like Mitch and is bit of a front runner. Hopefully he can iron out his flaws and if he does he will be a good player.

[pup23]

Morton got drafted underage and his body is still developing give him time knows how to win the ball though does need to hit the gym and bulk in the summer though his ball usage needs to imrpove though this guy has a huge engine and just judge him next year

[fishmonger]

You my friend, are a peanut! Set your mind back to RND 1 where in the final quarter Cale went back with the flight of the ball and put his body on the line knowing the game was all but over. If you dont call the courage your as blind as Stevie Wonder.

stupidity then ? :p

maybe he should save it for when the game is in the balance.

The amount of times I wish he had put his body on the line at crucial moments far outweighs the times he gets the stick from the coach and goes in three quarter arsed.

For all you people who say wait until next year - 3 years time etc. remember that the topic is "Happy thus far". FFS what is wrong with being honest. This is a bulletin board, not the government censorship department.

[master bate]

stupidity then ? :p

maybe he should save it for when the game is in the balance.

The amount of times I wish he had put his body on the line at crucial moments far outweighs the times he gets the stick from the coach and goes in three quarter arsed.

For all you people who say wait until next year - 3 years time etc. remember that the topic is "Happy thus far". FFS what is wrong with being honest. This is a bulletin board, not the government censorship department.I don't think you understand, they (including me) are happy thus far that is the point, if this was the pinnacle of his career I would be disappointed but it won't be. Also where is anyone being dishonest, we just think you are wrong, and the next 10 years will prove you wrong.

[dee-molishon]

happy enough. He has deficancies but what 18yo doesnt.

Done about as much as i would have expected out of a number 4 pick who is a bean pole.

His brother has been pretty bloody good for the hawks as well.

I hope people arent expecting naita to come in and star if we get him. Fk me the expectations are ridiculous on some people.

They are young it will take time.

And as for that twit who thinks stanton is better than mclean:thumbsd: (imitates mark williams) "YOU WERE WRONG!!"
If brocks opposite foot skills are better than stantons natural foot skills how do you figure? The fact stanton cant get his own ball, the fact stanton isnt a leader, the fact stanton wears number 5 is the only way he even comes close in comparisson.

[Parasite]

I'd be pretty happy if I was you guys with Morton.

Oops, sorry, thought I was on the Hawthorn board. Carry on.

[davey_magik]

Can't believe people are bagging Cale.

He is bottom age FFS. He has shown more than just about any other bottom age draftee for a long time (Games vs Cats and Crows).

[melbournemartin]

I'd be pretty happy if I was you guys with Morton.

Oops, sorry, thought I was on the Hawthorn board. Carry on.

51 points ____wit.

At least use proper grammar when you come on our board to troll.

[KickLongTackleHard]

I'd be pretty happy if I was you guys with Morton.

Oops, sorry, thought I was on the Hawthorn board. Carry on.

Better than getting Solomon, Ma. Johnson and Tazza. Only good draft pick you could hardly avoid. Palmer wanted WA and Eagles took Masten who will be just as good. How good is being purple and being represented by an anchor. Can't beleive u drag that rubbish out before every game still, lame does not do it justice.

[melbournemartin]

Palmer is a top notch young midfielder but it's very sad that he's your best!

Anything else to offer us?

[CaptainDavey]

Palmer is a top notch young midfielder but it's very sad that he's your best!

Anything else to offer us?

Username says it all really...

[beatlesmith]

please tell me cale is playing this week. I will have no bradshaw, mcleod, wirrapanda, butler, masten and kennedy in my DT because they are ALL INJURED!!!

[CaptainDavey]

please tell me cale is playing this week. I will have no bradshaw, mcleod, wirrapanda, butler, masten and kennedy in my DT because they are ALL INJURED!!!

He got a lot of the footy in the magoos on the weekend but didn't use it as well as he should have. It wouldn't surprise to see him back in the team but it's likely he'll spend another week down at Sandy. Sorry chico

[melbourne150]

This is what Andy Lovell said about Morton.

Cale Morton
In a poor team performance, Cale played pretty well, collecting 27 possessions and kicking two goals off the wing. He has had some trouble with his kicking over the last couple of weeks and probably didn’t use the ball as well as he could have on the weekend. But, he still got his hands on the footy, and impacted the game with his creativity. His opponent on the day had 23 possessions and was dangerous at times, so there just needs a bit more of a focus on his accountability.

I reckon he should have one more week at Sandy, And then if he plays well again we should bring him back in.:thumbsu:

[Parasite]

51 points ____wit.

At least use proper grammar when you come on our board to troll.

Just a little joke boys, lighten up :)