View Full Version : Hunter is our FF - Kennedy CHF and Lynch is our roving HFF
Obeanie1
15 Jun 2008, 12:18
IMO Hunter should stay at FF, he can take a big grab overhead and adds grunt and defensive pressure in the forward 50. He shepards through goals, does the one percenters, leads well and adds a bit of fire up there. Hunter and Kennedy both don't mind hitting the packs, all Hunter needs to do is work on his kicking.
Lynch playing off a HFF and allowed to run down the the half back flank and oinch hit in the ruck also looks good. You can see that if he takes a grab on the wing his instructions are too go for a 50m pass and get the ball into the danger zone 40m out at CHF. On Friday he ignored several short options and kicked long and hard.
With Kennedy taking the traditional CHF role and staying a bit closer to goal we will have our three big marking options covered.
Surround these blokes with the likes of Le Cras, McKinnely, Butler, Ebert, Masten and maybe a Yarran type and we have makings of a functional forward half with a bit of class.:thumbsu:
reed I like Hunter at FF. He should stay there for the rest of 08.
When is Kennedy likely to be back? if at all?
As soon as Hunter finds his kicking boots again he'll become very valuable up forward. I'm really enjoying watching Lynch roaming around the ground. His tackling, delivery inside 50 and 1 percenters are fantastic.
sydney eagle
15 Jun 2008, 13:51
I'd rather try Kennedy at FF, Lynch as a roving CHF and Hunter nominally playing on HFF but moving into the CHF position when The Unit goees a roaming upfield.
I'd rather try Kennedy at FF, Lynch as a roving CHF and Hunter nominally playing on HFF but moving into the CHF position when The Unit goees a roaming upfield.
Hmmmm...I don't know. From what I've seen so far this season Kennedy is more mobile than Hunter, but it may be from Hunter's knee injury perhaps. I know normally Hunter is a fantastic kick for goal so he's a bit of his game in that respect but he will improve no doubt. I like watching Kennedy roaming half forward with Lynch.
sydney eagle
15 Jun 2008, 14:04
I have noticed on several occassions this year when Lynch goes upfield to get the ball (and does) there seem to be no marking targets around the half forward area for him to kick to. This was why I was suggesting Hunter on the HFF, moving into CHF to provide a marking target. Kennedy sems to be a good contested mark and could provide a similar target at FF. That was the thinking behind my suggestion.
Posted this in another thread, would like to see our forward line at some point this year line up like:
HF: LeCras Kennedy Hurn
FF: McKinley Hunter Wirrpanda
With Lynch roaming around, backing up Cox in the ruck when needed.
Mastablingbling
15 Jun 2008, 14:21
Hunter frustrates me up forward...
He doesn't seem to time his leads well at all (can take a speccy, or a good pack mark here and there) and thus doesn't take regulation grabs with the consistency that we need from a permanent forward.
The amount of times you see him on a fast lead only to have his opponent check him and spoil it when a true forward would have grabbed it cleanly with arms out in front.
Def agree with Kennedy and Lynch playing up the ground.
Whats the deal with Hurn???
When is he back?
Rested for the rest of the year too??
Might as well.
Posted this in another thread, would like to see our forward line at some point this year line up like:
HF: LeCras Kennedy Hurn
FF: McKinley Hunter Wirrpanda
With Lynch roaming around, backing up Cox in the ruck when needed.
that forward line looks awesome. probably the best excluding a yarran.
that forward line looks awesome. probably the best excluding a yarran.
Yeah, it surely does. It's just a matter of getting everyone on the paddock at the same time! :(
TheBigUnit
15 Jun 2008, 15:05
Whats the deal with Hurn???
When is he back?
Rested for the rest of the year too??
Might as well.
1-2 weeks. You'd think he'd come back via the WAFL given the amount of footy he's missed.
Kennedy_17
15 Jun 2008, 16:44
was thinking exactly the same thing, all this talk about our forward line being so dysfunctional etc, no one has seen it at its full potential, has been very makeshift this past few weeeks. heres my ideal forward setup
ff - mckinley hunter wirrapanda
hf - lecras kennedy lynch
wihtt he likes of ebert and masten rotating through or a resting cox
I think that next year if everyone is fit that Lynch may start to be overtaken and be on the fringes, especially if Seaby or Sullivan stands up as the second ruck option. He just doesn't have the upside of a lot of the other players down there. Lots of heart and will keep trying, but not as naturally skillful as some others. If we do end up going for a smaller, more mobile forwardline, Lynch could be the odd one out.
I think that next year if everyone is fit that Lynch may start to be overtaken and be on the fringes, especially if Seaby or Sullivan stands up as the second ruck option. He just doesn't have the upside of a lot of the other players down there. Lots of heart and will keep trying, but not as naturally skillful as some others. If we do end up going for a smaller, more mobile forwardline, Lynch could be the odd one out.
Think you're wrong there mate, Lynch has had a stellar year playing further up the ground. Right now, I would pick him over Seaby as our second ruck option. Not only can he hold himself in the ruck, he can also go forward and kick goals when needed. He is very mobile around the ground too.
Sullivan is definitely an option for us in the future, but he will still probably have another year playing in the WAFL to work on his game.
Think you're wrong there mate, Lynch has had a stellar year playing further up the ground. Right now, I would pick him over Seaby as our second ruck option. Not only can he hold himself in the ruck, he can also go forward and kick goals when needed. He is very mobile around the ground too.
Based on current form, youre probably right. I was assuming that players progress over the next twelve months, and I dont think Lynch has the same rate of progression as some of the others. Dont get me wrong, he is one of the first picked at the moment, works very hard, but if we go for a smaller forwardline with only two big talls (which I think is more dangerous), Im not sure Id choose Lynch in the top two...Id probably go for Hunter, Kennedy, Brown or even Chad Jones over Lynch as a tall forward if they were all fit and at the peak of their form. They all have more goal scoring power in my mind. However, we all know that we never have everyone fit and in form at once, so the door is more than open.
And yes, I'd choose him over Seaby right now for the second ruck spot, and this may continue to be true next year.
Too many people look at Lynch and how many goals he has kicked when they should be looking at his impact around the ground. Playing further away from goal, getting a heap of inside 50's, and helping out in the ruck when needed. Has had a very good year, if he can kick a few goals a game with that he will be even more valuable.
I think we have the basis of a good young forward line with Kennedy, LeCras and McKinley. LeCras may be moved more into the midfield but he is still a strong mark and an accurate kick. Hunter up forward may be a better option now that Wilko is playing giving us an extra option down back, once he gets his kicking boots back.
And isn't Wirra having a good season? :thumbsu:
I agree with the sentiment, and I think that Lynch is almost better playing almost as a midfielder than as a key forward. Certainly this year he is playing almost the HFF role exclusively, but we still need a goal kicking FF and hopefully a goal kicking CHF. I love what Lynch does around the ground, I just dont think he is a long term key forward for the future.
Based on current form, youre probably right. I was assuming that players progress over the next twelve months, and I dont think Lynch has the same rate of progression as some of the others. Dont get me wrong, he is one of the first picked at the moment, works very hard, but if we go for a smaller forwardline with only two big talls (which I think is more dangerous), Im not sure Id choose Lynch in the top two...Id probably go for Hunter, Kennedy, Brown or even Chad Jones over Lynch as a tall forward if they were all fit and at the peak of their form. They all have more goal scoring power in my mind. However, we all know that we never have everyone fit and in form at once, so the door is more than open.
And yes, I'd choose him over Seaby right now for the second ruck spot, and this may continue to be true next year.
The thing with the younger players, such as Kennedy, Brown and Chad Jones is that they're all unproven and need time to develop. Having Lynch in the side allows them to do this. If they start to find some form up forward, Lynch can play further up the ground and let the young forwards do their thing.
Lynch has more heart than almost anyone in our team, he is an extremely hard worker, is a proven goal scorer and now is turning into a good backup ruckman. I can't see Lynch being over taken for a few years yet, he is still very valuable to the team structure.
Has anyone else noticed that Lynch is an extremly good field kick? Would be an assest to have him kickign the ball inside 50.
Has anyone else noticed that Lynch is an extremly good field kick? Would be an assest to have him kickign the ball inside 50.
Agreed, he is a great field kick.
He is currently leading our team for IN50's. He is 1st for Contested Marks and 2nd for Contested Possessions. :thumbsu:
The thing with the younger players, such as Kennedy, Brown and Chad Jones is that they're all unproven and need time to develop. Having Lynch in the side allows them to do this. If they start to find some form up forward, Lynch can play further up the ground and let the young forwards do their thing.
Lynch has more heart than almost anyone in our team, he is an extremely hard worker, is a proven goal scorer and now is turning into a good backup ruckman. I can't see Lynch being over taken for a few years yet, he is still very valuable to the team structure.
I agree, and perhaps I was a bit hasty in saying that our younger players would develop sufficiently in twelve months to start to put pressure on him, but I think Kennedy, Brown and Hunter will be ready for big years next year, and the pressure will be on. However, as Ive said, I think this generally means that he wont be a KPP and more a flanker / midfielder / backup ruckman, and not totally out of the team.
Has anyone else noticed that Lynch is an extremly good field kick? Would be an assest to have him kickign the ball inside 50.
Kennedy and Lynch are both great passes of the ball inside fifty, which makes them very dangerous. The only thing Lynch needs to work on is moving it on quicker and his decision making. At times he takes too long to kick it forward, giving the opposition time to flood back.
I think Mitch Brown should be playing at FF next year. With Kennedy & Lynch playing out and around the 50 we need a big strong target at FF to at least bring the ball to ground. Hunter is a great swingman but has struggled when playing as a permanent FF.
Brown is very quick, big strong and knows how to crunch a pack. The only questions will be on his ability to lead, timing and set shots on goal.
I read an interesting point on the Collingwood board that the coaching staff see Nathan as a FF/CHF but are playing at CHB to make him learn the game better and his skills are so poor. Could we be doing the same thing with Mitch?
hunters the type of bloke that could kick a ____load of goals but somehow he manages to drop easy marks...miss easy shots etc while still managing to kick 2-3 goals, he could kick 5+.
Obeanie1
15 Jun 2008, 20:24
This year we'v needed our senior players to stand up and lead the youngsters. IMO Lynch has done this and is only second to Cox in stepping up as a senior leader:thumbsu:
He started with average form but has worked his butt off both on and off the field to make a mark on games.
On Friday he was our highest posession getter.
No way he is a fringe player when the injured come back.....no way.
Total_Juddshanks
15 Jun 2008, 20:43
Posted this in another thread, would like to see our forward line at some point this year line up like:
HF: LeCras Kennedy Hurn
FF: McKinley Hunter Wirrpanda
That's the go, although I'd see Hurn's possie as the rotation spot, with the likes of Embley, Ebert, Waters and Lynch spending time there depending on matchups.
Lynch is massively underrated by the footballing world at the moment- would be very easy for someone with an ego to stay camped in the forward line and demand to be the key avenue to goal, but for the good of the side he's developed himself from a one position player into a bloke capable of playing the leadup role, 'true' chf and a monster ruck/rover- he's pretty handy in all those role, with vice like hands, genuine contested marking ability, and a monster kick which allows him to dominate inside 50s and frequently wrong foot defences.
He gets no respect for it, but the big Q has become the (wait for it!) Big Qtility, and is a very handy weapon for the coaching staff to have in the toolkit on gameday.
It might seem a demotion in terms of the role he was playing 2 years ago, but I think the best place for him in the 22 is as the first tall on the interchange bench.
Masten2McKinley
15 Jun 2008, 21:20
Hunter frustrates me up forward...
He doesn't seem to time his leads well at all (can take a speccy, or a good pack mark here and there) and thus doesn't take regulation grabs with the consistency that we need from a permanent forward.
The amount of times you see him on a fast lead only to have his opponent check him and spoil it when a true forward would have grabbed it cleanly with arms out in front.
Def agree with Kennedy and Lynch playing up the ground.
Mate Hunter is the best option for FF untill Notte comes good, he takes enough on the lead and some great pack marks, just needs his kicking back
He gets no respect for it, but the big Q has become the (wait for it!) Big Qtility, and is a very handy weapon for the coaching staff to have in the toolkit on gameday.
Hahaha, Big Qtilitiy, love it. :D :thumbsu:
Masten2McKinley
15 Jun 2008, 21:22
WOuld lynch have the motor to go in a rover possie, i rekon he would be sick as a rover aye, big bodie, long kick. In a centre throw up if he gets hands to it and kick it long it could go straight down the FF neck it would be so sick. But does he have the motor to run out a game in the middle?
Masten2McKinley
15 Jun 2008, 21:25
Kennedy and Lynch are both great passes of the ball inside fifty, which makes them very dangerous. The only thing Lynch needs to work on is moving it on quicker and his decision making. At times he takes too long to kick it forward, giving the opposition time to flood back.
i agree with that 100% it fustrates me when he takes his sweet ass time, but i still love him. When he hit hunter on the tit 2 weeks back was asume he just needs to do that each week
Has anyone else noticed that Lynch is an extremly good field kick? Would be an assest to have him kickign the ball inside 50.
Yeah. I mentioned this earlier in the thread. His delivery on Friday was awesome and you never really see him bomb it in, it's always a low direct pass to a leading player, something some of our mids could learn. An outstanding asset for the team!
He gets no respect for it, but the big Q has become the (wait for it!) Big Qtility, and is a very handy weapon for the coaching staff to have in the toolkit on gameday.
OH MY GOD!! That is a shocker!! But I love it! I nearly wet myself! :D
TurboHead
15 Jun 2008, 23:37
I would still like to see what Hanson can go as a FF for a couple of games this year to see where he is at.....
But in saying that - Hunter would have kicked 2 big bags over the last 2 weeks if he kicked straight.
Yes Hansen at FF kennedy at CHF with some rotation between the two..
Lynch in the ruck, Seaby hasn't been good enough so far
Hunter maybe in a FP...
Lots of experimenting for the rest of the year hopefully...
Eagle Ant
16 Jun 2008, 00:24
Yes Hansen at FF kennedy at CHF with some rotation between the two..
Lynch in the ruck, Seaby hasn't been good enough so far
Hunter maybe in a FP...
Lots of experimenting for the rest of the year hopefully...
Agree fully!!!!!!!!
Hansen is by far our most accurate kick on goal so why not put him into a spot where he can get as many shots as we can give him.
With lynch Spearing them down his throat he could kick 5+ regularly and kennedy can lead up the ground and be the link man with hunter and Mckinley beside hansen and Lecras out at HFF wth kennedy and lynch.
FF: Hunter, Hansen, Mckinley
HF: Kennedy, Lynch, Lecras
C: Hurn, Priddis, Houlihan
HB: Embley, Wilkes, Bones
FB: Wirra, Glass, Waters
RR: Cox, Kerr, Butler
INT: Masten, Braun, Ebert, Selwood.
You could swap Hunter HB, Wilkes to BP and Wirra to FP.
INT: is all Mids that gives us extra run at the end.
Lynch could back up Cox, Cox can rest on the Bench and Hansen could play HF and Hunter FF.
This Gives us soooooo many options during the game if 1 player goes down injuried.:thumbsu:
Hansen is no good in a pack situation.
Agree fully!!!!!!!!
Hansen is by far our most accurate kick on goal so why not put him into a spot where he can get as many shots as we can give him.
With lynch Spearing them down his throat he could kick 5+ regularly and kennedy can lead up the ground and be the link man with hunter and Mckinley beside hansen and Lecras out at HFF wth kennedy and lynch.
FF: Hunter, Hansen, Mckinley
HF: Kennedy, Lynch, Lecras
C: Hurn, Priddis, Houlihan
HB: Embley, Wilkes, Bones
FB: Wirra, Glass, Waters
RR: Cox, Kerr, Butler
INT: Masten, Braun, Ebert, Selwood.
You could swap Hunter HB, Wilkes to BP and Wirra to FP.
INT: is all Mids that gives us extra run at the end.
Lynch could back up Cox, Cox can rest on the Bench and Hansen could play HF and Hunter FF.
This Gives us soooooo many options during the game if 1 player goes down injuried.:thumbsu:
That forward line is way too tall IMO. I just can't see how Hansen deserves a game over our current forwards, and he is definately not a full forward, doesn't have the strength or agility to be a strong marking full forward. I like Hunter at Full Forward and Kennedy at Centre half, with Lynch roaming on the Half forward flank. Along with Wirra, Lecras and Mckinely, I think this forward line is a good mix of smalls and talls, and would produce enough goals for us to win more games than not.
Scotland
16 Jun 2008, 15:59
FF: Hunter, Hansen, Mckinley
HF: Kennedy, Lynch, Lecras
No, no and no.
4 talls, a medium who plays like a tall and a medium who has changed his game to play more like a small? Awful.
Right now:
FF: Wirrpanda, Hunter, Mckinley
HF: Lynch, Kennedy, LeCras
looks good.
Only problem is, Wirrpanda won't be around forever and I can't see an obvious replacement on our list. Armstrong plays a role, but doesn't have the creativity and speed of a genuine crumber.
Hansen - 3 year deal slot him in there somewhere... he is not a back up WAFL player on a 3 year contract...
Maybe take Lynch out to play 2nd ruck or perhaps Hunter will be moved down back again... We have the rest of teh season to find out...
Lion El'Johnson
16 Jun 2008, 16:25
Lynch is not a good ruckman. He is ok at trying to stop the opposition ruck from getting a hit out to advantage, but I don't think he's ever had a hit out to advantage himself. I'm fine with him filling in at the moment, but I'll be damned if he is our backup to cox forever.
I think he is pretty good and very damaging... A whole lot better than Seaby at the moment... His strength is very good around the ground he often just pushes the other ruckmen out of the way...
Hansen is no good in any situation.
:p Just kidding.
I like Hansen. He always lead out and gave us an option coming out of defence.
Problem is if the ball hit the ground or was poorly delivered to him that was it. He's not the best below the knees.
Hope he gets himself right and makes it back coz he is only young :thumbsu:
Obeanie1
20 Jun 2008, 14:03
Well this week it looks like;
Wirra Hunter McKinnely F
Le Cras Hansen Butler HF
Braun Kerr Lynch C
Without Scarlett and Egan playing Rouke is names as CHB and Taylor at FB. Gee Geelong may be awsome but we are getting them with quite a few A graders out.
I see selwood and M Stokes didn't make the flight either. Fair chance for a big upset this Sat IMO.:eek:
West Coast 06
20 Jun 2008, 16:14
Well this week it looks like;
Wirra Hunter McKinnely F
Le Cras Hansen Butler HF
Braun Kerr Lynch C
Without Scarlett and Egan playing Rouke is names as CHB and Taylor at FB. Gee Geelong may be awsome but we are getting them with quite a few A graders out.
I see selwood and M Stokes didn't make the flight either. Fair chance for a big upset this Sat IMO.:eek:
I dont know why, but I have tipped us this week. I haven't tipped us since round 2!
Obeanie1
20 Jun 2008, 20:44
At $5.50 you'd throw a $100 at that in a two horse race.:rolleyes: