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Mead
26 Aug 2002, 15:33
Apologies for the late post, was a very busy weekend for me- thank god its monday and I can get back to slacking off at Uni again :)
So, we lost, by 39pts at that, and all but extinguished our finals chances. What to say? To be honest though, when I trudged (soaking wet) out of Subiaco, I didn't really feel that devastated, certainly not as bad as I did about losing to Melb at subi- that, for my mind, was the one which got away. You certainly couldn't fault our endeavour, the fact is, in terms of cattle and skills, port are about 39pts better than we are right now. Thats why they are a premiership chance, and we're struggling for an eight spot.
So-

The Good: Chris Judd showed how to be a more damaging midfielder with 15 disposals than some people can be with 35, booting three (absolutely scintillating goals), and featuring significantly in several other passages of play that lead to us scoring . As the weeks go on, I'm more and more impressed with him. I don't really feel it would be overhyping him to suggest that in all likelihood, he is going to be one of the top five players in the league in a few years time, with he and cousins regularly stealing the 3 votes off each other.
Speaking of el Kapitan, he stood up strongly after several down weeks, which is not surprising given the importance of this game. Cousins' 26 disposals were pretty remarkable considering the quality of the opposition ranged against him.
Next off, a message to Trent Carrol- there's a place for you in this side. Carrol, never really an A class player, has made the most of his limited opportunities this year, and has well and truly earned his spot in the 22. Is handy either down back or up forward, and is a decent marking target and a good kick on goals. He tried his heart out against port (The nitwits at 6pr can insert their mikes up their asses, for all I care), took four marks and booted two goals. Carrol was a guy I would have happily seen delisted last year, but on the basis of his performance over the last few weeks, he deserves his spot in the side.
In defence, Collica played one of the best 5 disposal games you'll see in a long time, with some pretty impressive defensive work.
In an overall sense, the two big positive aspects for me was the charge late in the third- say what you like about the skills of this team, they never give up, which is the one aspect I want most in a team I support. Secondly, our tackling all day was ferocious, with the Eagles claiming several holding the ball decisions.

The Bad: Alas, Skill errors and horrifically bad marking were the order of the day for us. I lost count of the number of promising forays into attack that were cut off simply because our players couldn't hold a mark. Yes the conditions were poor, but Port seemed relatively untroubled, whilst we were dropping sitters. Key offenders were Banfield (whose complete inability to hold a simple chest mark blemished an otherwise decent game), Braun and Embley.
Speaking of Embley, I think the following things have been established. He is either an inconsistent forward flanker, whose abysmal defensive marking and poor kicking on goal blights his game, or a running defender, whose poor decision making and mind blowingly bad disposal blights his game- take your pick. Maybe (ok, most likely) I'm being a tad harsh, but I watched him pinpoint PA half forwards whilst kicking out of defense on several occasions. Twice, this resulted in easy returns and kicks on goal for Port- frankly, it comes down to this- Embley will get a spot in our side next year because he has potential, and we don't have anything better around. He could still come of age spectacularly, but right now, he looks disturbingly like a player who is going to go down the Troy Longmuir/Brendan Fewster career path. I'd be happier if he did that with some other team rather than us.
Aside from this, our big failing was our inability to find a focal point up forward. You aren't going to win many games when your leading goal kicker is a rookie midfielder- Lynch and Fido both had difficulty getting into the game, and after them there wasn't much else. I think sometimes we forget just how good Porno Wilson is- his ability to go straight through packs and still get to the ball is something that we really missed in recent weeks. Lynch has a bright future ahead of him, but he really isn't in the same class as Wilson at this point in time.

The Ugly: Well for starters, this wasn't the prettiest of games by any definition. Our skills were somewhere between poor and appalling for much of the game, and Port had their own issues, with their poor kicking on goal keeping us in it for a long time.
The announcer at subi seemed to have picked this night to try convince us all that he is a complete and utter idiot- I can't pass judgement on the CH 10 coverage, because my video recorder chose to die midway through the first quarter.
The Umpiring, as per usual, made me want to spit- the Port onballers did everything but sodomise Gardiner in the ruck without the men in white stepping in. Couple this with a few laughable 'high' decisions for port, and Kerr being coat hangered in front of goal a few moments later for no whistle, and you get the usual standard of AFL umpiring.. its been sooooo damn long since I've seen a well umpired game of footy.
Incidentally, our late withdrawals from this game came as a nasty surprise.. both Cox and Fletcher would have been pretty useful given how dominant port's midfield was.
Lastly perhaps the highlight of the game for me was an altercation after the game which I was witness to, between a West Coast supporting grandmother complete with scarf, beanie and (empty) chardonnay glass, and a Portsider with stubble, tight black jeans, and a pair of UGG BOOTS!!! Talk about stereotypes come to life!

Next week, the Roos at manuka, and our last chance to nail a finals spot. Despite the fact that I doubt we'll go far once the september action gets underway, finals experience is money in the bank for the young'uns like Kerr, Judd, Hunter and Lynch. More to the point, given the way our younger players have fired up this season, it would be a fair reward for them to take part in the greatest part of the AFL season. Here's hoping the results we need go our way, and the boys get a chance to earn their spot against the roos.

GoEagles
26 Aug 2002, 17:21
Originally posted by Mead

The Umpiring, as per usual, made me want to spit

Anyone else get the feeling of a Suzi Olsen curse on saturday night? Firstly we had Gavin Dore umpiring (trying to look as unprofessional as possible) then at half time, there were tin rattlers for MS week. Scary :eek:

noodle
26 Aug 2002, 19:07
embley embley embley. he's made the bad quiet a few times this year and has only been dropped once. i remember seeing an interview with woosha about a month back and he said that west coasts future is in the hands of the likes of kerr, gasper, lynch (?) and embley. it seems that he is the only one that rates him.

i'm pretty wrapped that carroll has put some good games together (f*ck the 6pr commentary team) but he needs to hold the simple marks. he can do the hard stuff but continually messes up the easy skills. i'd rather have him in the team than glass.

Thrawn666
26 Aug 2002, 20:06
Well im hoping the Embley down back scenario wont arise to often next year, if he's in the squad that is. Id rather he didnt kick goals in the forward line than concede them in the back line.

jod23
27 Aug 2002, 05:41
I thought a big positive from the game was Ashley Sampi. It took 21 rounds but i finally realised why we took him at number 6 in the National Draft. I thought he was amongst our best and his great little handpass to Carroll for an easy goal was a highlight. He was often involved in goals without actually kicking them himself. Looks like we have a good'un.

Voice of Reason
27 Aug 2002, 12:45
I thought the ability of Port forwards to hold their marks in the conditions was very impressive and contrasted with our failure at the other end. Port just had the slicker skills - skill, run and experience as Woosha said afterwards.

theBlueCardinal
27 Aug 2002, 19:34
Originally posted by noodle
i'm pretty wrapped that carroll has put some good games together (f*ck the 6pr commentary team) but he needs to hold the simple marks.

What did 6PR say about him???

Visro
27 Aug 2002, 19:39
Originally posted by theBlueCardinal


What did 6PR say about him???

Read my thread, "What the **** is with 6PR"!

theBlueCardinal
27 Aug 2002, 19:50
thanks Vis!

I wouldn't expect much else from either the fat old greedy family arguing d..khead and the smurf that suffers from SM syndrome.

They should look at themselves before criticising others!

steve_rat
27 Aug 2002, 19:51
Good: Judd
Bad: Rain @ Subi
Ugly: Finals not lookin good folks


steve rat

milo
27 Aug 2002, 20:03
Had the honour of escorting my mother (a rabid Dirty Bird supporter) to Subi Saturday. First WC game I've been to in many years.

The Good: I didn't have to pay for the tickets;
The Bad: I finished up like a drowned rat, and the rain watered down my beer more so than it already was;
The Ugly: Your supporters (with the obvious exception of my good mum).

And I've decided that Chris Judd would look very good in purple!

Voice of Reason
27 Aug 2002, 21:01
Originally posted by milo
the rain watered down my beer more so than it already was

I'm not sure that's technically possible.

Why do we have to put up with such deficient, expensive, crap beer at Subi?

Frodo
27 Aug 2002, 21:04
A dissenting voice!!

I thought Carroll was crap! Heaps of basic mistakes and very little skill. Yes he played his heart out but he just hasn't got the neccessary skills

Sampi, great touch, particularly by hand but looked like a kid playing in a mans game, and made a lot of errors. In time I'm sure he will be very good.

theBlueCardinal
27 Aug 2002, 23:38
Originally posted by Frodo
I thought Carroll was crap! Heaps of basic mistakes and very little skill. Yes he played his heart out but he just hasn't got the neccessary skills.

He has more skill than you Frodo.

Frodo
28 Aug 2002, 00:28
Originally posted by theBlueCardinal


He has more skill than you Frodo.

He sure does, Roos 5 year old probably has too :D

jod23
28 Aug 2002, 05:42
Originally posted by Frodo
A dissenting voice!!

I thought Carroll was crap! Heaps of basic mistakes and very little skill. Yes he played his heart out but he just hasn't got the neccessary skills

Sampi, great touch, particularly by hand but looked like a kid playing in a mans game, and made a lot of errors. In time I'm sure he will be very good.

Sometimes Frodes i wonder if were even watching the same game??

Amazing how different other people can see things...

Frodo
28 Aug 2002, 13:08
Originally posted by jod23


Sometimes Frodes i wonder if were even watching the same game??

Amazing how different other people can see things...

Tis true and once a person sees a few errors from a player early on then there is a tendency to cast a critical eye for the rest of the game.

I must admit that for once I didn't watch the game on TV and it's usually an eye opener from being a spectator but I would also point to the fact that from the stats Carroll made 7 clangers and Sampi 5 which combined were more than the Port team!!