View Full Version : Josh Fraser = Embarrassing
leondavis21
15 Jun 2008, 17:44
this guy is a disgrace. I said it earlier in the season...
cant ruck, soft, gets knocked off the ball every single time.
he has to go, because today he was realy f u ck ing embarrasing!!!!!!!!!!!
WakeUpTaz
15 Jun 2008, 17:46
yea we need to trade him while he still has some value, see how the tarrant trade worked out?
leondavis21
15 Jun 2008, 17:51
yea we need to trade him while he still has some value, see how the tarrant trade worked out?
absolutely!!!!
Krueger
15 Jun 2008, 17:53
yea we need to trade him while he still has some value, see how the tarrant trade worked out?
And get who? We still dont have a ruckman.
Stephen King @ pick 96 - Malthouse you idiot.
leondavis21
15 Jun 2008, 17:57
And get who? We still dont have a ruckman.
Stephen King @ pick 96 - Malthouse you idiot.
who cares a pick 199 would be better than fraser.
jerry springer
15 Jun 2008, 17:58
when was the last time he played a good game (for us:rolleyes:)
____ing pea-heart
WakeUpTaz
15 Jun 2008, 18:00
And get who? We still dont have a ruckman.
Stephen King @ pick 96 - Malthouse you idiot.
Trade Frazer to a contender for a up-and-coming young ruck. Or we can try to rip off Freo again and get Warnock and a pick invovled somehow, because Fraser is just embarrassing, Wood >> Fraser
leondavis21
15 Jun 2008, 18:01
when was the last time he played a good game (for us:rolleyes:)
____ing pea-heart
when was the last time he watched the ball instead of his opponent and jump 5 mins too early in a ruck contest?
Krueger
15 Jun 2008, 18:02
Trade Frazer to a contender for a up-and-coming young ruck. Or we can try to rip off Freo again and get Warnock and a pick invovled somehow, because Fraser is just embarrassing, Wood >> Fraser
Woods form in the VFL has been ordinary but saying that he would have been better than Frasers pathetic display today :thumbsd:
WakeUpTaz
15 Jun 2008, 18:03
when was the last time he watched the ball instead of his opponent and jump 5 mins too early in a ruck contest?
Under 13s probably
Medhurst Magic
15 Jun 2008, 18:06
In fairness to the guy, he is carrying a serious knee injury.. But when you cross the white line, there are no excuses..
I have been saying it for weeks,Wood HAS to play :mad:
Wood & Bryan to Ruck and Fraser as a permanent forward.
has to go, has never lived up to being a number 1 draft pick and never will
Big Beny Reid
15 Jun 2008, 18:11
Fraser for Seaby
What do you think??
Big Beny Reid
15 Jun 2008, 18:12
In fairness to the guy, he is carrying a serious knee injury.. But when you cross the white line, there are no excuses..
I have been saying it for weeks,Wood HAS to play :mad:
Wood & Bryan to Ruck and Fraser as a permanent forward.
Fraser is not strong enought to play up forward ...... in the heart
smiddaz123
15 Jun 2008, 18:13
Fraser for Seaby
What do you think??
Happen to catch how Seaby played for West Coast this weekend? Worse than Fraser.
Maybe we can con a team into a first rounder. I'd be stoked with that tbh as it is.
goalpie
15 Jun 2008, 18:13
Someone should do us a favour and break his legs.
MagpieGirl_13
15 Jun 2008, 18:15
I think you should all just take a minute, calm the ____ down and come back when you are thinking logically again.
Yes, very bad game, very disappointing...... we'll be right....
WakeUpTaz
15 Jun 2008, 18:17
I think you should all just take a minute, calm the ____ down and come back when you are thinking logically again.
Yes, very bad game, very disappointing...... we'll be right....
we won't, thats the problem.
Big Beny Reid
15 Jun 2008, 18:18
Happen to catch how Seaby played for West Coast this weekend? Worse than Fraser.
Maybe we can con a team into a first rounder. I'd be stoked with that tbh as it is.
No I didn't - but I think he is > Fraser.
He has a heart, and can play up forward
smiddaz123
15 Jun 2008, 18:21
No I didn't - but I think he is > Fraser.
He has a heart, and can play up forward
Seaby is not that good. He got like 3 or 4 touches and about 5 hit outs.
Haven't we learnt anything from trading for average players from West Coast?
WakeUpTaz
15 Jun 2008, 18:22
Seaby is not that good. He got like 3 or 4 touches and about 5 hit outs.
Haven't we learnt anything from trading for average players from West Coast?
exactly, lets try to trade with Freo
smiddaz123
15 Jun 2008, 18:24
exactly, lets try to trade with Freo
I hear Warnock in the offing. :)
scottyD
15 Jun 2008, 18:25
In- Wood
Out- Fraser
??
Big Beny Reid
15 Jun 2008, 18:26
Would mick think about dropping him for wood???
At least give him a wake up call. He might finally forget about being a Number One draft pick then
In- Wood
Out- Fraser
??
:thumbsu:
scottyD
15 Jun 2008, 18:28
:thumbsu:
Yeah it seems logical. Could be good with Bryan and Wood.
But i say keep Fraser.
Hard to believe MM has him as on the list for our next captain.
More suited to netball than footy.
smiddaz123
15 Jun 2008, 18:31
Would mick think about dropping him for wood???
At least give him a wake up call. He might finally forget about being a Number One draft pick then
I think Fraser's mentality to the opposite.
Ge strikes me as a total girl. He'd probably feel sorry for himself and sit in front of a TV watching a soap oprah and eating ice cream to be honest instead of getting down and working hard to improve.
Big Beny Reid
15 Jun 2008, 18:33
Hard to believe MM has him as on the list for our next captain.
More suited to netball than footy.
NO! Pendles will be the next captain.
If MM wanted Fraser as captain he would have done it this year
goalpie
15 Jun 2008, 18:43
Yep biggest women in the team closely followed by Cloke.
One of the more pathetic games i have seen by a pies player in a long time. Last i heard he was the vice captain of the club!
i reckon that luke shackleton would have been a better vc! weak as p1ss effort today. show some bloody heart
scottyD
15 Jun 2008, 19:03
Ok, so you have a supposedly hot as chick with you right now.... except your on BigFooty.
Nice try.:thumbsd:
the lemon wedge
15 Jun 2008, 19:07
Yeh just keep bagging him u idiots, is playing injured have u seen him at the center bounces can not jump. Should not be playing its the collingwood football clubs fault not his. He has the same injury as Hamish Mcintosh who will miss up 2 10 weeks.
Dead Eye Didak
15 Jun 2008, 19:10
Fraser is definately at the cross roads. A tough call must be made on him at seasons end, and l would certainly see what the offers are out there for him. He just dosen't look like he's hard at the footy or wants to be there. When he was outmarked by a 5ft runt on the wing, that summed it up for me. Fraser needs to get to the VFL and feel his hands on the ball in the ruck. He is giving us nothing, so play Wood, if Fraser is injured then rest him for the next few weeks.
goalpie
15 Jun 2008, 19:10
Has he had the injury for his whole career. Soft pea hearted loeser.
magpies42
15 Jun 2008, 19:18
have been having a running battle with my old man regarding fraser since he was drafted. Have been defending him the whole time, but i think today was the last straw...
My old man reckons that we are lucky we dont have two frasers in the team, if we did we would be relegated to the VFL!
GeneralDisarray
15 Jun 2008, 19:18
May as well have had a mannequin at the ruck contests today. When he actually does win a hitout it goes nowhere.
popathon
15 Jun 2008, 19:19
The sky is falling the sky is falling.
After the mid season break you'll all be eating your words. I do agree that he was embarrassing today but he is one of our most important players.
Dave The Man
15 Jun 2008, 19:20
In- Wood
Out- Fraser
??
I agree with that.
Fraser is not a F**king Ruckman he is a FF
sharrod#21
15 Jun 2008, 19:20
yeah i agree fraser was absoulty f____kin horrid... but why not try bring wood in and playing fraser as a forward.... havin him rocca cloke up there would look much more imposin and he'd be a hard match up 4 any team
Dave The Man
15 Jun 2008, 19:22
The sky is falling the sky is falling.
After the mid season break you'll all be eating your words. I do agree that he was embarrassing today but he is one of our most important players.
Well If that the case then we are stuffed
Krueger
15 Jun 2008, 19:22
If Fraser is injured and cant jump why the f**k is he playing? Whats the point of having a ruckman who cant jump?
Sir Vivian
15 Jun 2008, 19:23
this guy is a disgrace. I said it earlier in the season...
cant ruck, soft, gets knocked off the ball every single time.
he has to go, because today he was realy f u ck ing embarrasing!!!!!!!!!!!
I feel for you guys. Chop here (http://www.choporchampion.com/player_detail_josh-fraser_147.aspx).
chirpymagpie
15 Jun 2008, 19:25
hes soft as, we could have been premiers last year had he not dropped out of semi final :mad:
Fraser = Injured
Decision to play him = Embarrassing.
The Royal Sampler
15 Jun 2008, 19:40
If he was fit, he was rubbish. If he wasn't fit, he shouldn't have played.
Chase the Ace
15 Jun 2008, 19:44
Josh played a pretty good game today.
Well done to the big fella
If he was fit, he was rubbish. If he wasn't fit, he shouldn't have played.
I'd need some convincing that he's fit and that "box out" (to borrow a basketball term) crap in the centre square is actually a team instruction.
scottyD
15 Jun 2008, 19:52
josh Played A Pretty Good Game Today.
Well Done To The Big Fella
?
???
Brent24
15 Jun 2008, 20:03
He's a soft footballer, he just gets exposed when we are losing.
the_fresh
15 Jun 2008, 20:28
We got rid of Cam Cloke 2 years ago and yet both times this year he made Fraser to look like a little "b!tch"
I've said for a long time he just doesn't cut it, it started this year when Bell out marked him, today is just the icing.
mattys123
15 Jun 2008, 20:33
Ill give Josh a few more weeks, want to see him fully fit.
He should not play next week if he is still carrying that knee injury, as if we are gonna beat the dogs anyway.
But he has been disappointing, one good game this year against Nth, thats it.
Melbourne are regretting not trading White and letting Jolly go, we will end up the same with Cloke and Fraser probably.
adzarani
15 Jun 2008, 20:43
I don't mind Fraser. (Its not like we have a weath of options anyway) But gee its dissapointing to see him get out muscled by a kid in his first season. How can Kruezer be so much stronger than a guy who has played AFL for nearly a decade?
bucksisbest
15 Jun 2008, 20:44
If he can't jump in the air , don't play him. He is not contributing other wise.
Big Bucks
15 Jun 2008, 20:47
who cares a pick 199 would be better than fraser.
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imagine thAT fRASER AS
AND hACKWELL AS HIS DEPUTY
If he was fit, he was rubbish. If he wasn't fit, he shouldn't have played.
Best post in the thread.
In fairness to the guy, he is carrying a serious knee injury.. But when you cross the white line, there are no excuses..
I have been saying it for weeks,Wood HAS to play :mad:
Wood & Bryan to Ruck and Fraser as a permanent forward.
Up forward???? He can't take an overhead mark to save himself.
the_fresh
15 Jun 2008, 21:41
Up forward???? He can't take an overhead mark to save himself.
And Peter Bell can out mark him!
Yeh just keep bagging him u idiots, is playing injured have u seen him at the center bounces can not jump. Should not be playing its the collingwood football clubs fault not his. He has the same injury as Hamish Mcintosh who will miss up 2 10 weeks.
That may very well be true, but he has been a consistently poor performer for a long time now, not just today. In his 100 odd games, I would suggest there has been about 5-10 good ones.
I have been calling for him too be traded for the last 5 years, but no other club would go anywhere near him now, unfortunately.
GoalSneak07
15 Jun 2008, 21:56
Josh Fraser for David Fanning?? lol
Collingwood will not trade away Fraser, i agree with someone who said use Fraser as a permenant forward. Especially while Rocca is out i cant see why not...
Is he carrying a injury, doesnt seem to be moving as well as he was this time last season?
magpies42
16 Jun 2008, 02:41
You cant say that over his full career he has never been fit!? fact is most players play injured most of the time. some deal with it, some dont!
He obviously cant so needs to be traded as we cant keep playing with him like that!
Dynamics
16 Jun 2008, 10:14
Ok, we're probably overreacting to a painful loss here. Let's get some perspective.
Something is stopping Josh from jumping... a ruckman who can't jump is a liability. So if he's injured, rest him, operate on him, do whatever needs to be done to get him fit enough to play PROPERLY.
Josh's strengths are never going to be physicality, strength or tap work. Sounds pretty damning for a ruckman, I know!
However, it's his mobility, endurance, kicking and football nous that we benefit from when he's fit and firing. Add a tall tap ruckman to the mix (which is why we traded for Wood) and he becomes a very damaging player who is hard to match up on.
But let's face it, he's been crap for most of the season. If he can't even jump he looks very, very ordinary out there, and he doesn't seem to have the will, determination or build to do what Bryan's doing by crashing and bashing for the footy.
If he's unfit, fix him. If he's out of form, drop him and tell him to harden up if he wants to get back in the seniors. I think he's injured, but either way Wood will be better value than what Josh is contributing right now.
It's round 12, so I'm not interested in talking about trades until the end of the season. We should at least give him the chance to get it right.
goalpie
16 Jun 2008, 10:17
Injured heart.
Disgrace is too harsh a word.
If you want to really get down to it though Fraser has had a disappointing career not just for a number 1 pick but for a serious AFL footballer. He is either not physically or mentally cut out for elite football. Probably a bit of both. He is either constantly injured or we are constantly making injury excuses. Either way the results are the same.
We finally realised the truth with Tarrant. The only difference is off filed behaviour. We need to make football decisions and leave saving the world to Bob Bandaide.
Ok, we're probably overreacting to a painful loss here. Let's get some perspective.SURELY the perspective comes from 8 years of senior football and we rarely win his position. To quote a great movie:
“Too much f’g perspective!”
Dynamics
16 Jun 2008, 11:38
SURELY the perspective comes from 8 years of senior football and we rarely win his position. To quote a great movie:
“Too much f’g perspective!”
Hehe, thanks for completely ignoring what I said AFTER that! :p
Dynamics
16 Jun 2008, 11:42
Disgrace is too harsh a word.
If you want to really get down to it though Fraser has had a disappointing career not just for a number 1 pick but for a serious AFL footballer. He is either not physically or mentally cut out for elite football. Probably a bit of both. He is either constantly injured or we are constantly making injury excuses. Either way the results are the same.
We finally realised the truth with Tarrant. The only difference is off filed behaviour. We need to make football decisions and leave saving the world to Bob Bandaide.
It'll be decided towards the end of this season or after it, I reckon. Crossroads time for Josh.
We can't go on with a number 1 ruckman playing like he has of late. Pies coaching/recruiting have shown they're willing to trade if it's to our advantage and I'd say this is the last year we'd get much for Josh. We just have to see what deal we can do, but in the meantime let's what ol' Lionheart can acheive in the second half of the year. Talk of trading a player now doesn't achieve much!
Chase the Ace
16 Jun 2008, 12:01
Fraser
11 possessions
3 kicks, 8 handballs, 2 marks, 2 tackles, 10 hit outs
Bryan
6 possessions
4 kicks, 2 handballs, 3 marks, 3 tackles, 20 hit outs
Cam Cloke
17 possessions
8 kicks, 9 handballs, 7 marks, 4 tackles, 16 hit outs
Kreuzer
7 possessions
3 kicks, 4 hand balls, 4 marks, 0 tackles, 10 hit outs
Hampson
4 possessions
1 kick, 3 handballs, 1 mark, 0 tackles, 0 hit outs
ksardog
16 Jun 2008, 12:27
how can people defend him, hes injured is he? for the past 5 years hes been crap and a disgrace to the jumper, just get rid of him free some money in the salary cap and move on.im sick of watching his insipid performances week in and week out. remember bell first round then simpson on weekend , its embarrasing , then you see hille who was taken in the 40's in the same draft and it hurts even more.give him a wake up call and drop him.if malthouse doesnt have faith in ruckman why does he even get a game?
the worst of it is this guy was dissapointed he wasnt made captain. the coaches need to sit him down and make him watch Scotty Burns play, then tell him to list the differences, might give him a wake up call.
Another thing i found interesting was the size of Cam Cloke. he has bulked considerably since going to carlscum yet Fraser is the same. the guy needs to hit the weights hardcore.
His biggest problem though is he has Harry Kewell desease. His head invents injuries and then beleives it, so he can never go 100%, i dont recall him ever being "100% fit and match ready"
It'll be decided towards the end of this season or after it, I reckon. Crossroads time for Josh
Josh was at the crossroads in 2004/5 after the 2003 grand final.
Fraser
11 possessions
3 kicks, 8 handballs, 2 marks, 2 tackles, 10 hit outs
Bryan
6 possessions
4 kicks, 2 handballs, 3 marks, 3 tackles, 20 hit outs
Cam Cloke
17 possessions
8 kicks, 9 handballs, 7 marks, 4 tackles, 16 hit outs
Kreuzer
7 possessions
3 kicks, 4 hand balls, 4 marks, 0 tackles, 10 hit outs
Hampson
4 possessions
1 kick, 3 handballs, 1 mark, 0 tackles, 0 hit outsJesus, shouldn’t Fraser be smashing these guys? One was rejected by us and the other is 12. If Fraser can’t comprehensively beat Cloke and Kruezer HE CAN’T RUCK!
FMD he hasn't won consistently in the ruck for going on 9 years. when do you think a patterns emerges?
Chase the Ace
16 Jun 2008, 13:59
Jesus, shouldn’t Fraser be smashing these guys? One was rejected by us and the other is 12. If Fraser can’t comprehensively beat Cloke and Kruezer HE CAN’T RUCK!
FMD he hasn't won consistently in the ruck for going on 9 years. when do you think a patterns emerges?
Mark, the fact is Fraser plays far more good games the occasional bad one.
When he plays well, you are silent, you are like many others, you only come out against certain players when we lose.
The clear fact is he wasn't as bad as you would like to imagine he was and he is playing injured.
Now, knowing you Mark, you will go into some spurious rant and endless quotes which won't change either your mind or mine.
Captain Judd
16 Jun 2008, 14:25
Fraser just needs to bulk up and he will be alright. The bloke is just to fragile...
Fraser just needs to bulk up and he will be alright. The bloke is just to fragile...
HAHAHAHHAHAHA his 26 the time to bulk up is over dont comment on our board if your going to talk shit
Fraser just needs to bulk up and he will be alright. The bloke is just to fragile...
Yes but collingwood has been trying to BULK UP for 10 years , butters isn't that great at the strength and bulking up part of his training regime.
I think he is one of those players that really struggles when injured. Some can play through the pain and others cant. I dont think he shopuld be playing against the Dogs this week if he is still sore.
Mark, the fact is Fraser plays far more good games the occasional bad one.
No he doesn’t. As an overall player he plays the odd good game, the regular mediocre game and the odd bad game. As a ruckman he almost always gets beaten though and as a side we regularly suffer for being poor in the ruck. Before the last Carlton game I was criticised for saying I wouldn’t back Fraser to beat Carlton’s rucks. We now they have had the better of our rucks twice and here we still are struggling to get into the top 4 and win a flag. When he plays well, you are silent,Like when? you are silent, you are like many others, you only come out against certain players when we lose.What did I say after Geelong and West Coast? The clear fact is he wasn't as bad as you would like to imagine he was and he is playing injured.The fact you are arguing about whether he was AS BAD as I say is entirely the problem. He hardly ever wins the ruck and he’s our number 1 ruckman. If he’s injured he’s been injured forever. Now, knowing you Mark, you will go into some spurious rant and endless quotes which won't change either your mind or mine.Hope I didn’t disappoint. The results are the arbiter.
andyyoa
16 Jun 2008, 19:12
Fraser= Jerk
Fraser=Soft
Fraser=Please retire before you give me a heart attack..
I would rather Leon Davis in the Ruck, at least he will jump and contest..
I was abused at the start of the season when i quoted fraser as being our most over rated footballer, now finally everyone is seeing what i see..
Rocca and Fraser need to go..
Captain Judd
16 Jun 2008, 19:19
HAHAHAHHAHAHA his 26 the time to bulk up is over dont comment on our board if your going to talk shit
LOL ok how about some steroids, or get him to work out with KOUTA!!
Krueger
16 Jun 2008, 19:23
Rocca and Fraser need to go..
And replace them with who? Rocca was only the leading contested marking player in the league last year - yeh get rid of him, Rusling may struggle to return and we all saw what happens when Cloke doesnt fire.
Rocca will always be amongst the first picked in my Collingwood team if fully fit.
Chase the Ace
16 Jun 2008, 19:53
Fraser= Jerk
Fraser=Soft
Fraser=Please retire before you give me a heart attack..
I would rather Leon Davis in the Ruck, at least he will jump and contest..
I was abused at the start of the season when i quoted fraser as being our most over rated footballer, now finally everyone is seeing what i see..
Rocca and Fraser need to go..
I still don't understand why opposition supporters think all Collingwood supporters are stupid.
Can you help me out here buddy?
andyyoa
16 Jun 2008, 19:57
Replace them with you you ask!!!
Kids thats who.... Young guys that want to have a go and put their body on the line to get the footy or hurt the opposition...
I know what your going to say now!!! Rocca always puts his body on the line!!! No he doesn't, for someone his size he is soft soft soft. Collingwood fans need to take of the legend Status we put on players when they play a handful of good games in their career.
Fraser and Rocca are the most inconsistent players on our list. It was once Neon Leon but he has pulled his finger out.. I wish i could have all the stats of Rocca and Frasers games, just to prove facts that their bad games out number their good games..
andyyoa
16 Jun 2008, 20:00
Chase, pull your ____ out of frasers A$$. I bet you have never played football in your life. Reading all your posts you seem to have no idea about football what so ever..
Chase the Ace
16 Jun 2008, 20:04
Chase, pull your ____ out of frasers A$$. I bet you have never played football in your life. Reading all your posts you seem to have no idea about football what so ever..
Wow, I'm in the presence of a super star AFL footballer.
Should I bow down to your obvious greater understanding of AFL
I liked your well thought out footballers view
Fraser = Jerk
Only a star player would come up with that one.
But I don't think U14's counts for much though, eh?
andyyoa
16 Jun 2008, 20:21
Actually play in the EFL, but seeing you called me an AFL superstar i will accept that.. Thanks for the encouraging words. Much appreciated.
Chase the Ace
16 Jun 2008, 20:23
Actually play in the EFL, but seeing you called me an AFL superstar i will accept that.. Thanks for the encouraging words. Much appreciated.
Yeah, but you wouldn't actually call Noble Park 4ths 'playing footy' would ya.
Its more about just making up the numbers isn't it?
Snag Breac
16 Jun 2008, 20:27
I still don't understand why opposition supporters think all Collingwood supporters are stupid.
Elementary, dear Chase, because they're too thick to know any better.:p
andyyoa
16 Jun 2008, 20:27
Actually Noble Park don't have 4ths, so once again you prove your football knowledge.. Whats your address, i will send you a copy of "AFL for Dummies"
Dynamics
16 Jun 2008, 22:31
Hmmm... Infighting. Not exactly becoming. :thumbsd::(
Surely such vitriol is better aimed at opposition supporters, regardless of any difference of opinion.
AKA, chill the hell out, people! :cool:
mattys123
16 Jun 2008, 22:47
Umm, has anyone ever heard of a Posterior Cruciate Ligament.
Thats his injury, he needs a break, stop having a go at a player who when fit is in our top 5 most important.
Watch him against Sydney after a week off, old spider everitt and reject Jolly wont know whats hit them.
Big Beny Reid
22 Jun 2008, 18:48
Wood so much > Fraser it is a joke!
Big Bucks
22 Jun 2008, 21:29
Umm, has anyone ever heard of a Posterior Cruciate Ligament.
Thats his injury, he needs a break, stop having a go at a player who when fit is in our top 5 most important.
Watch him against Sydney after a week off, old spider everitt and reject Jolly wont know whats hit them.
Josh has been carrying a lack of heart tissue ailment his entire career.
Thommo 42
22 Jun 2008, 21:39
Josh has been carrying a lack of heart tissue ailment his entire career.
doesn't say much for the other 21 out there on GF day 2003, some of whom are still in our side and free from your vitriol
Optimax
22 Jun 2008, 21:41
doesn't say much for the other 21 out there on GF day 2003, some of whom are still in our side and free from your vitriol
i know if josh had no heart.
how about Kinnear, lokan, cloke, johnson, wakelin, clement, holland, woewodin, presti an many otehrs who were entirely destroyed
This thread = Embarassing.
Earlier in the season Fraser was right up there in taps won to advantage. Have another look at the Sate of Origin game and see what he can do with a few decent inside mids around him. No disrespect to Burns and OBree but we are playing short in this area.
In his last game it was obvious he was playing injured. Did what he could to impede in the ruck.
Fit and in form Fraser is a game breaker.
Mars II
23 Jun 2008, 06:29
i love frase but he is having his worst year to memory.
the bloke is always struggleing with some sort of injury.
hopefully next year will be different and will go great like he did in 2006.
i know if josh had no heart.
how about Kinnear, lokan, cloke, johnson, wakelin, clement, holland, woewodin, presti an many otehrs who were entirely destroyedWho destroyed Presti?