Nick Maxwell

[smiddaz123]

Oh...he tries hard.

Don't care.

The amount of times his direct opponent marked the ball while Maxwell was trailing behind, the amount of times he fumbled in Carlton's 50 was shocking.

Couldn't give a crap if he tries hard, so don't bring it up. Fact is, he isn't good enough.

Drop him. I've said it for weeks on end, he continues to prove me right.

Edit: Yes, I realised I mispelt the title.

[leondavis21]

yep he's a passenger..........

[koutamarto]

One of the worst players going IMO.
To think he was considered 4 the captaincy and was given bucks number must annoy some pie fans.

[smiddaz123]

One of the worst players going IMO.
To think he was considered 4 the captaincy and was given bucks number must annoy some pie fans.
It does.

And to think thats what the number 5 served up in Buckley Week.

Embarrassing.

[Pie eyed]

Yeah! Go on blame Maxwell....D*ckhead thread, D*ckhead comment.
Maxwell was one of our better defenders.

Even Mark_T and Big Bucks will have to agree if they watched the game.

You can't always blame the same player when we get beaten.

He was not our best but was certainly not our worst either.

[WakeUpTaz]

Yeah! Go on blame Maxwell....D*ckhead thread, D*ckhead comment.
Maxwell was one of our better defenders.

Even Mark_T and Big Bucks will have to agree if they watched the game.

You can't always blame the same player when we get beaten.

He was not our best but was certainly not our worst either.


that doesn't mean his not a useless footballer though. I just hope we have someone to replace him with, thats how weak our depth is.

[smiddaz123]

Maxwell was one of our better defenders.

Are you kidding me? Are you serious?

I don't know how people cannot see how poorly he plays at times.

He cut off some leads nicely at times, but that is IT.

Every time he has a direct opponent he gets torn a new hole by them. Add to that his fumbles and poor disposal.

How can you see him as one of our better performed defenders?

[smiddaz123]

aaaaaand after I posted that, you edit out the part I quoted from your post. Super.

[doofdoof]

Goes the man not the ball far too often

[PendlePie]

Tries to compensate for his rubbish skills and talent by throwing his weight around. A useless hack, and an absolute disgrace to the number 5. Couldn't have picked a worse day for such a rubbish performance.

[checker]

Oh...he tries hard.

Don't care.

The amount of times his direct opponent marked the ball while Maxwell was trailing behind, the amount of times he fumbled in Carlton's 50 was shocking.

Couldn't give a crap if he tries hard, so don't bring it up. Fact is, he isn't good enough.

Drop him. I've said it for weeks on end, he continues to prove me right.

Edit: Yes, I realised I mispelt the title.


a couple of weeks ago iwould agree with you on this. but what about o'brien and brown, what a joke they are, the only time fev didnt mark it was when maxwell was the third man in.

[smiddaz123]

a couple of weeks ago iwould agree with you on this. but what about o'brien and brown, what a joke they are, the only time fev didnt mark it was when maxwell was the third man in.
Right....but the difference is Brown and O'Brien were on Fev. Maxwell is never on players of that caliber.

Brown held his own one on one at times, overall both him and Harry were dominated, but be fair, they usually beat their man. Fev is just a freak.

[mdc]

Nick Maxwell had close to zero impact on this game either way.

We lost this game for 3 reasons:
- The players who got a lot of the ball made shocking decisions.
- The ruckwork was abysmal.
- Ben Reid's inclusion killed our patented forward-line pressure.

Neither Maxwell, nor O'Brien, nor Brown had anything to do with this loss. Nothing whatsoever.

[smiddaz123]

Nick Maxwell had close to zero impact on this game either way.

We lost this game for 3 reasons:
- The players who got a lot of the ball made shocking decisions.
- The ruckwork was abysmal.
- Ben Reid's inclusion killed our patented forward-line pressure.

Neither Maxwell, nor O'Brien, nor Brown had anything to do with this loss. Nothing whatsoever.
Doesn't change the fact he just plain is not good enough.

[sharrod#21]

i think maxwell has to be dropped atm he just isnt up to it.... yeah browny and harry got absoulty smashed by fev today but showed that MM didnt even have the faith to try maxwell on him... he needs to go back to the vfl and get rid of his tryhard hardman act and learn at winning the ball

[mdc]

Doesn't change the fact he just plain is not good enough.

I worry that your first instinct after a bad loss is to make a thread about a player who had very little to do with the loss. The merits/negatives of Maxwell have been debated ad nauseum. It smells of "we lost...I don't know why...time for a Maxwell sux thread".

[Invigoration]

He performance today would border upon being cringe worthy.

His constant fumbling and disposal errors (stupid handballs that result in turnovers) are glaring proof of why he isn't good enough for this level.

People always put it down to others just 'being Maxwell bashers', but there is obviously a reason why such a large majority think he is sh*t.


Maybe it is because he actually is sh*t?

[mdc]

He performance today would border upon being cringe worthy.

His constant fumbling and disposal errors (stupid handballs that result in turnovers) are glaring proof of why he isn't good enough for this level.

People always put it down to others just 'being Maxwell bashers', but there is obviously a reason why such a large majority think he is sh*t.


Maybe it is because he actually is sh*t?

Zero clangers today, so try again.

He fumbled it a shitload today, but he also got a few punches in. Overall a bad game, but far from the worst.

I'm a lot more disgusted when I see Johnson, Thomas and Swan repeatedly butcher the ball going forward, allowing Carlton to clear quickly and get Fevola one out.

[Ickirus]

I understand how all the Maxwell lovers admire his effort and how he goes about his game but the simple fact is he isn't good enough.

We will never win a premiership with players of Maxwell calibre, he goes hard at it but when you are lacking skill and hurt factor you better be silky skilled or provide heaps of rebound, neither of which Maxwell does, he simply isn't good enough and is a very ordinary player.

[Invigoration]

Zero clangers today, so try again.

He fumbled it a shitload today, but he also got a few punches in. Overall a bad game, but far from the worst.

I'm a lot more disgusted when I see Johnson, Thomas and Swan repeatedly butcher the ball going forward, allowing Carlton to clear quickly and get Fevola one out.

Pretty sure I said 'result' in turnovers, and seeings how clangers are so subjective and judged by a statistician, I'll go with my own judgement.

Clangers are direct turnovers, I didn't say he blatantly turned it over by hand, but on multiple occasions handballs from him that were ineffective and wayward, resulted in turnovers.
They may not count as a clanger, but since when were clangers and stats the be all and end all?

Observant people certainly don't need stats to see poor old Nick ain't up to AFL standard.

[mdc]

Pretty sure I said 'result' in turnovers, and seeings how clangers are so subjective and judged by a statistician, I'll go with my own judgement.

Clangers are direct turnovers, I didn't say he blatantly turned it over by hand, but on multiple occasions handballs from him that were ineffective and wayward, resulted in turnovers.
They may not count as a clanger, but since when were clangers and stats the be all and end all?

Observant people certainly don't need stats to see poor old Nick ain't up to AFL standard.

Yeah, stats are just a crutch for those not blessed with your hawk-like observation skillz.

Seriously, how about actually discussing the game and not rehashing the usual Maxwell stuff.

[smiddaz123]

I worry that your first instinct after a bad loss is to make a thread about a player who had very little to do with the loss. The merits/negatives of Maxwell have been debated ad nauseum. It smells of "we lost...I don't know why...time for a Maxwell sux thread".
Don't even try that on. I've been calling for Maxwell to be dropped.

After the Geelong game I said he should be dropped, I was greeted with a chorus of

We won! Stop complaining!!
Why would you drop someone?? We Played well!!!

If I can't criticize him after a loss, and I can't do it after a win, when can I?

[mdc]

Don't even try that on. I've been calling for Maxwell to be dropped.

After the Geelong game I said he should be dropped, I was greeted with a chorus of

We won! Stop complaining!!
Why would you drop someone?? We Played well!!!

If I can't criticize him after a loss, and I can't do it after a win, when can I?

You're missing the point. Also, you'll never hear me say "we won, stop complaining" or anything even close to that.

I'm all for you calling for his head if;

a) he's one of the main reasons we lost
b) his form has been consistently shit

Neither a) or b) is remotely true, so I don't see why the thread was started. He's been good 3 out of the last 4 weeks (esp. against Melbourne where he was in the best) and I could name at least 8 players who were more responsible for today's loss.

[Palmer Stoat]

While I thought Maxwell was good last week (I gave him votes), I can't agree that he was good in three of the last four weeks.

Basically, I agree with his critics. Regardless of how poorly he did or didn't play today, he's not up to it. He repeatedly gets beaten one on one by his own man and isn't effective enough as a zone-off defender.

Hopefully Goldsack or Anthony can force him out of the side.

[adzarani]

he has a crack, but honestly were do they expect him to end up? What sort of player is Nick Maxwell going to be for Collingwood in the long term? Key position? Clements old quaterback type role? Run off half back? I mean seriously how much better to they think he is gonna get? He can't run with the little guys, he can't muscle the big guys, dispostal is average, reads the play poorly, where the hell does he fit into the future of the footy club?

[Swanny36]

I worry that your first instinct after a bad loss is to make a thread about a player who had very little to do with the loss. The merits/negatives of Maxwell have been debated ad nauseum. It smells of "we lost...I don't know why...time for a Maxwell sux thread".
mate its not just this week, when we played the eagles in the first quarter he tried to hack it off the ground, clean missed it and gave west coast the goal because he couldnt clear it, last week vs melbourne he did it a number of times...
he thinks he is tough and he walks around like he is the best footballer to ever walk on the park, FACT is he is not even close to the top 500 footballers ever.....he just needs to go back to the VFL to make him realise that he isnt the best player going around, look at the good it has done for Bear Bryan when he missed out for the first 8 weeks or so of the season, he is playing awesome because he knows he is playing for his career!!
And its payed dived ends for him(bear), i think dropping him(maxwell) for a couple of weeks would do him/club the world of good!

[Swanny36]

You're missing the point. Also, you'll never hear me say "we won, stop complaining" or anything even close to that.

I'm all for you calling for his head if;

a) he's one of the main reasons we lost
b) his form has been consistently shit

Neither a) or b) is remotely true, so I don't see why the thread was started. He's been good 3 out of the last 4 weeks (esp. against Melbourne where he was in the best) and I could name at least 8 players who were more responsible for today's loss.
hate to say it buddy but he is consistently shit!

[Pie eyed]

Are you kidding me? Are you serious?

I don't know how people cannot see how poorly he plays at times.

He cut off some leads nicely at times, but that is IT.

Every time he has a direct opponent he gets torn a new hole by them. Add to that his fumbles and poor disposal.

How can you see him as one of our better performed defenders?

With my eyes.
Pretty bloody obvious.

[eddiesmith]

His highlight was clearly with 1 point in it, halfway through the last qtr he dives in hard, wins the ball and turns around and gives it to his opponent 15m out who snaps a goal and Collingwood never look like scoring after it

[chirpymagpie]

has the heart, not the skills.

[the_fresh]

I thought he did ok today.
Out of the whole side he would have been one of a few that broke even.

Like I've said before, Nick will never be one with flashy skills. He's always giving 100% which is 75% more than some in our side at times.

[conno]

My reply from a thread last week: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=453347&page=2

I'm so pleased that people here are supportive of Maxwell. I think he's an incredible clubman and is someone who gets the best out of himself.

However, he played on most likely the third or fourth best target for a rubbish Melbourne team who were missing Neitz and Robertson (and we had Marty Clarke on Wonaemirri) - and beat him. If people want to congratulate him for DOING A JOB ANY AFL PLAYER SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IN HIS SLEEP then it's fine if they want to settle for mediocrity.

While he might be a good spoiler against the smaller players, his skills still let him down - his disposal by foot and hand are largely still to players under pressure or even worse, down the throat of our opposition. Watch what happens when he gets the ball. The first touch will most likely be to a player in entirely the wrong position, or under the pump, and you could almost count the seconds before the ball ends up with an opposition shot on goal.

He's never been any good in a key position. Recall the last time he played on a key position forward was in 2006 - he played on Mitch Clarke from Brisbane, who took him to the cleaners with four goals before Maxwell was moved off him. Before that, I remember MM tried Maxwell on Pavlich, i think early 2006. Within five minutes of the game starting, Pavlich had kicked two goals and the crowd was screaming "move Maxwell off Pavlich!".

He is of limited ability, the new generation's Jason Cloke if you like. I'd rather see him pushed out by Goldsack or another flexible tall with skills. While people can compare Maxwell with Cox or any VFL plodders, I'd rather compare him to the best in the competition - not just in effective spoils to a third rate Melbourne defender, but the best in the comp overall. We can only get better if we compare our players to the benchmark and then ask: how do we compare? How does Maxwell compare to the best? What would it take for him to get better?

Who kicks better? Who creates more off the halfback? Who is better body on body? Another question: if Clement were still in the team - would Maxwell be? I think not.

Again, don't get me wrong, I don't hate Maxwell, far from it. I just don't think he's that good - and not worthy of being our captain. I would love to see Maxwell improve his skills, improve his ability to deliver to our players up the field, to set up more. I think he lets us down in that respect. It's up to him to work harder and improve that side of his game, but at his age I can't see how it might happen.

In terms of keeping a man accountable in a one on one, he lost out today to SIMON F*CKING WIGGINS, who even Carlton supporters will tell you is the sh*ttest player on their list. Four Carlton goals to Maxwell in the final quarter through sheer ineptitude. Please save this man (and our club) from further turmoil by putting Goldsack or Anthony in the team MM!