View Full Version : Give Dawes a game!!!!!!
I think its time to give Dawes a game... anyone else with me?
Our forward line needs a big body in there to release Cloke to play the loose forward. Cloke can not handle being the only option in the forward line.
Ried is not a true forward!!!!!!!!!!!! He needs to be played further up the ground to give a marking option for the backline coming through the middle.
Give Dawes 2-3 games to see what he is made of.
He is not getting great delivery (well its terrible actually) in the magoo's... time to see what he can do in the big league.
smiddaz123
15 Jun 2008, 19:03
Possibly.....I mean, Reid hasn't been performing much better than Dawes at VFL level and we saw how he relished the step up.
sharrod#21
15 Jun 2008, 19:23
yeah why not give him a game ... solid body probly wot we needed today poor old clokey was gettin doubled all day and our players were still stupid enough to kick it in the air to him all day
magpies42
15 Jun 2008, 19:38
If rocca isnt fit, it is an option. Reid played well and it just goes to show how forwards benefit at the afl level
No way!
Hes nowhere near ready yet!
whos going to come out for him?
Chase the Ace
15 Jun 2008, 19:41
I think its time to give Dawes a game... anyone else with me?
Our forward line needs a big body in there to release Cloke to play the loose forward. Cloke can not handle being the only option in the forward line.
Ried is not a true forward!!!!!!!!!!!! He needs to be played further up the ground to give a marking option for the backline coming through the middle.
Give Dawes 2-3 games to see what he is made of.
He is not getting great delivery (well its terrible actually) in the magoo's... time to see what he can do in the big league.
Silly thread
Dead Eye Didak
15 Jun 2008, 19:47
We need something, Cloke isn't travelling to well, so you have Cloke out of form, no Rocca, who's left? We can't expect Meds, Didak, Davis to kick us a winning score. I would get Goldsack / Anthony into the team, play them down back, Presti should be available next week, but he will obviously come through the VFL. Put Brown to full foward, he's a big body. get Reid to roam between centre and CHF, with Cloke working the CHF position (against the bulldogs this is). Today we just had nothing, cannot believe the way we played our forwards today, Cloke had no support up forward, he was been double teamed, and it was a pathetic forward display. One of the worst from any team this season.
popathon
15 Jun 2008, 20:00
Hasn't he admited that he's not fully fit? I'd wait a while.
Hasn't he admited that he's not fully fit? I'd wait a while.
I haven't heard that. If thats true, then its obviously not time to bring him in. But even if he was fit he still wouldn't shine at VFL level as the team is below mediocre.
King Woodie
15 Jun 2008, 21:10
We need something, Cloke isn't travelling to well, so you have Cloke out of form, no Rocca, who's left? We can't expect Meds, Didak, Davis to kick us a winning score. I would get Goldsack / Anthony into the team, play them down back, Presti should be available next week, but he will obviously come through the VFL. Put Brown to full foward, he's a big body. get Reid to roam between centre and CHF, with Cloke working the CHF position (against the bulldogs this is). Today we just had nothing, cannot believe the way we played our forwards today, Cloke had no support up forward, he was been double teamed, and it was a pathetic forward display. One of the worst from any team this season.
I would go with this option before giving Dawes a go before he has kicked a lot of goals at VFL.
Anthony down back, Brown in the square, or even Anthony in forwardline. Fraser / Wood would also be an option at FF before Dawes at this stage.
Pies_10
15 Jun 2008, 21:16
IN: Dawes
OUT: Reid
jimbospies
15 Jun 2008, 22:18
i think this is not a bad idea sit Dawes in the square and have medhurst in a pocket reid leasing up the ground cloke around the 40m to 60m out from goal. then we can have Leon Thomas didak rotating through the middle with speed and class to deliver to the 4 main forwards. Cloke would get the best tall defender medders getting a mid sized defender and Dawes and reid will get the worse defenders. Rocca wont be around for much longer and i think as much as i like rusling his shoulder might send him to an early retirement or trade without filling his potential. So the quicker we get these guys in the team the better as in the next three years they will be at 50 to 100 games and be contributing to the side and taking the games on. I personally think that we look ,ore dangerous with three talls and only time will tell if it works. but if they dont get the chance to play together when we need players like dawes they may only have 10 to 20 games under their belt. it also will keep the defenders guessing and they wont be able to double team the players such as cloke giving him a 70-30 chance as we know he has a vice like grip when marking on the lead. Also leave brown down back as he is a gun when presti comes in give brown a 2 week rest then bring brown back and give wakes the time of to rest.
In: Dawes, Wood
Out: Fraser(inj) Jonno
Visions
16 Jun 2008, 01:19
Give Dawes 2-3 games to see what he is made of.
He is not getting great delivery (well its terrible actually) in the magoo's... time to see what he can do in the big league.
And you expect him to obtain the great delivery from the high lollipops of Swan and floaters of Johnson and Rhyce Shaw?
I think its time to give Dawes a game... anyone else with me?
Our forward line needs a big body in there to release Cloke to play the loose forward. Cloke can not handle being the only option in the forward line.
Ried is not a true forward!!!!!!!!!!!! He needs to be played further up the ground to give a marking option for the backline coming through the middle.
Give Dawes 2-3 games to see what he is made of.
He is not getting great delivery (well its terrible actually) in the magoo's... time to see what he can do in the big league.
What is this with the big body. He is a skinny framed 6 foot 4 player, a little more meat than Reid but not by much. He will struggle big time given his poor VFL form.
sneakydaycrawler
16 Jun 2008, 01:53
What is this with the big body. He is a skinny framed 6 foot 4 player, a little more meat than Reid but not by much. He will struggle big time given his poor VFL form.
He has got a big upper body. Sadly a skinny lower body.
frantelle
16 Jun 2008, 02:35
He has got a big upper body. Sadly a skinny lower body.
that just means he is light on his feet :p
pocketrocket#24
16 Jun 2008, 10:21
in my opinion we're probably not going to win it this year - of course we could - but its unlikely, so i say why not give him a few games, see what he's made of. to all those out there stating the old regurgitated 'he's no way near ready' bla bla bla, stacks of players don't look ready but make the adjustment to the 1's very easily. better skills, better grounds, better conditions etc...
i would put key fwd/defenders and outside flankers/mids in this category. for us lonie and egan and n.brown are perfect examples.
so give the kid a show ffs what damage will it do...
daics cousin
16 Jun 2008, 11:57
I said to bring in dawes for the carlton game.Reid played ok,but what were we lacking was a,strong forward marking option to help Cloke.Dawes would have been servicable at worst,and would have opened up ther forward line, a liitle for the crumbers.
In my opinion,he would have played well against the blues,but i'm the only one that seems to think so.Rocca is out we need another young strong body,and Dawes fits the bill.He can crash,bash and mark.Reid is a runner not a power marking forward.Time to give Dawes ago ,at worst he will get some experience in the big league can only do him good.
Optimax
16 Jun 2008, 12:00
Why briong dawes in so he can play poorly and then we can talk about how uselss he is and how he should be traded or delisted?
He isnt ready yet, reid played decent yesterday although he cant kick for goal at all, but right now he is better than reid.
On top of which rocca will be back in a fortnight and every one on here carrys on about not giving kids consecutive games, so teher is no reason for it yet
shawthing09
16 Jun 2008, 17:44
There are some clueless people on these boards at times.
Firstly to say Ried hasn't been much better then Dawes at VFL level is wrong Ried was in the best a lot last year in the 2's and of the few VFL games his actually played this year was amongst the best at least once.
Dawes on the other hand would be lucky to have been in the VFL best at all (simply due to less games and the shite delivery but still there is a great difference.)
Simply because Dawes is yet to play and AFL game people want to see him in there. His been good once or twice at VFL level and is no where near AFL ready there is massive daylight between the AFL readiness of Dawes and Reid.
Ried can be effective at AFL without and AFL ready body due to his athletism, neither he nor Dawes are massive units Ried on one hand is athletic hence doesn't need to outbody defenders Dawes not so much.
If anyone expects better out of Dawes then what we are getting from Cloke and or Ried they are highly mistaken
sneakydaycrawler
16 Jun 2008, 17:51
Turn Reid into a defender. Cant kick a goal if his life depended on it. Cmon seriously what the ____ kind of kicking action is that.
jason_muslim
16 Jun 2008, 17:59
Turn Reid into a defender. Cant kick a goal if his life depended on it. Cmon seriously what the ____ kind of kicking action is that.
i agree with ya, his kickin style yesterday at the G was dead set hideous. but give him a go, if he starts kickin goals with that hideous stutter set shot action then so be it.. then so be it, thats wat we want him for?
i have no idea if dawes is ready or not but a few believe he is not. He looks exciting and i would love to see him debut, but they must be 110% fit and ready to go. especially from VFL to AFL. I imagine there would be a slight difference in the two levels... but with rocca out i agree, we need another big forward with the likes of dawes, to free up cloke. who seems to be down on form, although i think this is due to not havin another big body up forward with him. he gives an honest crack every game but is often fighting off 2 opponents which isnt easy.
i am looking to the debut of dawes but we must be patient.
Dave The Man
16 Jun 2008, 18:07
Might get a Game with both Rocca and Cloke out for the Dogs Game
jason_muslim
16 Jun 2008, 18:19
Might get a Game with both Rocca and Cloke out for the Dogs Game
wats wrong with cloke? i heard hes under scrutiny for an elbow in yesterdays game, havent seen it? but wats the go with that?u reckon he will go? i guess his points from last week wont help
King Woodie
16 Jun 2008, 18:31
Yeah I agree - If Rocca is no good, then he might be a chance...
What is more likey, though, is that Anthony will come in and play forward, or that Wood will come in and Fraser will play forward.
I am hoping both Anthony and Wood come in...
And just on Reid - his kicking errors are mostly about nerves, as was that stuttered run-up. He doesn't kick like that in the VFL, but the stutter is just a symptom of nerves. He really settled down as the game wore on with his field kicking, and will do so with goal kicking as well as his career progresses.
He looked very good around the ground.
Dundalis
16 Jun 2008, 18:58
There are some clueless people on these boards at times.
Firstly to say Ried hasn't been much better then Dawes at VFL level is wrong Ried was in the best a lot last year in the 2's and of the few VFL games his actually played this year was amongst the best at least once.
Dawes on the other hand would be lucky to have been in the VFL best at all (simply due to less games and the shite delivery but still there is a great difference.)
Simply because Dawes is yet to play and AFL game people want to see him in there. His been good once or twice at VFL level and is no where near AFL ready there is massive daylight between the AFL readiness of Dawes and Reid.
Ried can be effective at AFL without and AFL ready body due to his athletism, neither he nor Dawes are massive units Ried on one hand is athletic hence doesn't need to outbody defenders Dawes not so much.
If anyone expects better out of Dawes then what we are getting from Cloke and or Ried they are highly mistaken
Disagree. AFL readyness is not based purely on VFL form. And Dawes IS a massive unit, unless you are comparing him to Fraser Gehrig. He is far far more physically ready for AFL than Reid. Whether he can perform better is yet to be seen, but I wouldn't say one way or the other simply due to VFL form. Dawes has shown he has AFL level talent, which is the main thing. Consistently performing at VFL level has no bearing on whether a player is AFL ready, particularly for key position players.
Brent24
16 Jun 2008, 21:18
If he's going to get a game this season, it would have to be this weekend, no Cloke or Rocca. We need a big body down there, and that is what Dawes is, if he doesn't perform, so what? He can't prove much at VFL level when he gets the ball delivered by hacks.
Unfortunately i can't see him playing, i'd say a 3rd ruckman or Anthony are more likely at this stage.
Bonuspoints
16 Jun 2008, 21:23
If Cloke is out it will be interesting to see whether MM takes a risk and plays Dawes. His other options are:
1) bring in Rocca to pair up with Reid
2) push Braveheart (Fraser) to the square and uses Bryan and Wood in the ruck
3) Brown to the forward line and rush in Presti
4) mix it up with something unpredictable. Whether its Anthony/Cox in or plays a small fast forward line I dunno.
Dawes is not ready and in fact is nowhere near it yet
Secondly, he is not as big a unit as is fantasized on this board. He would get smashed by Lake.
joefootylover
16 Jun 2008, 22:00
IN: Dawes, Wood, Iles
OUT: Clocke (susp) Fraser (inj) Wellingham (omit)
Iles has been VFL Pies best just about every week, he covers the ground well and deserves another crack. Dawes looks big enough, I saw him stand Treadrea at Princes Park this year in a practice match and he is big enough, he and Reid have a reasonable understanding of one another and in recent weeks Dawes has been running up the ground a bit and laying some nice hard tackles, give him a shot. Fraser is clearly crook, give Woody another crack, basically, roll the f@#king dice and see what happens, maybe Dawes will look alright, maybe Iles will seize his chance with both hands... who knows.
mattys123
16 Jun 2008, 22:15
Ill agree that it would be worth giving Dawes a game at some point, but this is the wrong week.
If there is one thing we need this week it is pace, so only players like Goldsack, Cox, Cook and Illes should come into consideration.
We are not going to beat the doggies by going tall, almost afraid to say this but we might be better off with out Rocca and Cloke against the dogs.
Our small unconventional forward line up against their small unconventional forward line, and lets have a shoot out.