View Full Version : What is Seaby Worth ?
happy_eagle
15 Jun 2008, 19:10
Just thinking, if we chose to off-load seabs, or if he chose to move back home (i think he is vic), then what could we get from him
This is not a "seaby must be traded" thread, but a hypothetical idea of what we would and should be able to get if he was to move
Which teams are in need of a ruckman? We got pick #29 for McDougall didn't we? Realistically, I'd be hoping for around pick 20-25 for Seaby.
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kane249
15 Jun 2008, 19:20
Just thinking, if we chose to off-load seabs, or if he chose to move back home (i think he is vic), then what could we get from him
This is not a "seaby must be traded" thread, but a hypothetical idea of what we would and should be able to get if he was to move
Seaby is a WA boy, he and his cousin RoJo came from country WA
As for what we will get? Our bargaining power lessens by the week with his insipid performances. Late second round pick to early third round pick
Willow_2000
15 Jun 2008, 19:33
Do you reckon we could get a 1st rd pick? The pies gave up pick 7 for Cameron Wood and i rate Seaby so much higher.
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They will want a draft pick as well!
The Pies gave up Pick 14.
Assuming we finish 15th and get the priority pick would Pick 18 + 20 + Seaby = Top 10 Pick? Someone like Richmond or Carlton would possibly be dumb enough to do that trade?
The Pies gave up Pick 14.
Assuming we finish 15th and get the priority pick would Pick 18 + 20 + Seaby = Top 10 Pick? Someone like Richmond or Carlton would possibly be dumb enough to do that trade?
The question is would WCE be that dumb? Two low picks and a player for one Top 10????? :confused:
The question is would WCE be that dumb? Two low picks and a player for one Top 10????? :confused:
The Top 10 will be serious quality this year. Yarran, Walters, Suban, Watts, Hartlett, Heyne and even Swift will all be there abouts and wont last untill pick 18. Are 2 average to good players better than 1 gun?
Jimmy_the_Gent
15 Jun 2008, 19:51
Some past ruckman trades:
Cam Wood - Pick 14 (2007)
John Messan Pick 37 (2007)
Steven King - Pick 90 (2007)
Peter Everitt - Pick 33 (2006)
Micheal Gardiner & Pick 57 - Pick 43 (2006)
Brad Ottens - Picks 12 & 16 (2004)
Troy Simons - Aaron Fiora (on traded for Heath Black) (2004)
Darren Jolly - Pick 15 (2004)
Obviously Gardiner and King were given away for different reasons, so you can't read too much into them. Cam Wood was involved in the perfect storm of ruckmen trades too, IMO, so I woudn't use that a guide. I can't really comment on the others but I wouldn't be expecting much for Seabs...Not that I'd trade him.
Jimmy_the_Gent
15 Jun 2008, 19:56
Do you reckon we could get a 1st rd pick? The pies gave up pick 7 for Cameron Wood and i rate Seaby so much higher.
Wood was traded for pick 14 IIRC and the thing there was that a lot of teams were after rucks at the time (Collingwood, Carlton, St.Kilda, Richmond etc.) which drove the value up.
Also, Brisbane had the good fortune of being able to con the world into thinking the reason Wood wasn't doing much was because the Lions had so much quality in front of him. It's true that they had/have good ruckman on their list and that would be a good excuse for a young ruckman to not be getting games but the real reason was that Wood isn't too much of a tryer.
Collingwood got ripped off with the trade and I wouldn't be basing my 'trade Seaby' theory on a team being bent over like that again.
Jimmy_the_Gent
15 Jun 2008, 19:59
The Top 10 will be serious quality this year. Yarran, Walters, Suban, Watts, Hartlett, Heyne and even Swift will all be there abouts and wont last untill pick 18. Are 2 average to good players better than 1 gun?
It's not 2 players it's 3 (18, 20 and Seaby).
Now are 3 average players better than 1 good one?
Personally I'd say no. It's like putting all of your eggs into 1 basket which isn't really the way to fly right now. IMO when you have a list full of depth then you can try for things like this but at the moment depth is a good as quality for us.
Crimson King
15 Jun 2008, 20:04
A top 25 pick plus hope.:thumbsu:
A top 25 pick plus hope.:thumbsu:
Exact number I was thinking, but we should keep him.
TheBigUnit
15 Jun 2008, 20:13
IMO he's worth a late 1st rd (clubs needing an AFL ready no.1 ruck - desperate) to mid 2nd round (clubs needing an AFL ready 2nd ruck).
Like I said in the other thread, would be a good get for a side that needs a no. 1 ruck as he performs better with the the added responsibility/TOG. We'll probably keep him as we don't have good ruck depth ATM - Cox is obviously one of the all time great ruckmen, but he's been carrying a massive workload for so long, is quite susceptible to injury and it's possible his performances could drop off in the next few years. Sullivan still needs another year or two to develop in the WAFL before he'll be able to make a decent impact at AFL (if he get to that stage, of course).
Eagle Ant
15 Jun 2008, 20:46
Nothing Over pick 24 By it self, Or pick 35 with a player (WA boy who wants to come home).
Quality Ruckmen are hard to come by so their is a good chance we will get a good trade!
The tell for the trade will be around Round 18 if Seaby has been sitting out and is brought back in to the side for no reason that means we are shopping him around (bit of a look before you buy tactik):thumbsu:
Gunnar Longshanks
15 Jun 2008, 20:59
IMO he's worth a late 1st rd (clubs needing an AFL ready no.1 ruck - desperate) to mid 2nd round (clubs needing an AFL ready 2nd ruck).If we got a top 20 pick for Seaby, we'd be laughing at the club who did the deal.
Ruckmen sometimes have an inflated value, but I can't see Seaby fetching us much.
Crimson King
15 Jun 2008, 21:18
If this was Seaby of 2006-7 he would go for a top 15 pick.
Unfortunately he hasnt shown anything this season.:thumbsd:
Masten2McKinley
15 Jun 2008, 21:30
at start of year i would have said 1st round, the way he is going 2nd round at best and his WA boy he from westies
beatlesmith
15 Jun 2008, 21:33
wouldn't be surprised if melbourne offered their PP for him. They will go after warnock and even if they get him, white will retire either this year or next, and warnock and naitanui will not be ready enough or experienced enough to match it with the big boys. Maybe even the dockers. If they trade warnock (looking very likely) seaby would be an ideal backup and he could stay in perth.
Isandula
15 Jun 2008, 22:37
Not bloody much unfortunately! what the hell happened to him? Showed he could be alright and now hes just gone 10 miles backwards, is just plain ordinary atm.
Hopefully if he is traded we can get a decent pick, lets hope some club is sucked in enough to give away an early 20 draft pick. Luck would really have to be on our side though.
Kennedy_17
15 Jun 2008, 23:11
trade seaby and graham for new gym mats.
Well apparently last year we were gonna trade Judd to the Kangaroos for a packet of BBQ shapes and a 1.25l bottle of coke so if Judd is worth that then Seabs would maybe scrape through to a team like Melbourne for this...
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bigburger
16 Jun 2008, 00:33
I would be pissed off if we didn't get a first round draft pick.
I would be pissed off if we didn't get a first round draft pick.
No chance at this stage I wouldnt think.
Im thinking early 2nd round at best or maybe a player for player swap.
I dunno, maybe we should stick with him. Ruckmen take a while.
bigburger
16 Jun 2008, 02:03
No chance at this stage I wouldnt think.
Im thinking early 2nd round at best or maybe a player for player swap.
I dunno, maybe we should stick with him. Ruckmen take a while.
You've just answered why I would be pissed if we got anything less than a first round pick.
Jimmy_the_Gent
16 Jun 2008, 13:14
To be honest we would be stupid to trade a player at their lowest point. Does anyone really think Seabs will stay out of form for another 6 years?
Also, I don't think it's a smart move to trade away a player who plays in a position we're not deep at.
We're setting ourselves up for a fall.
swansfan51
16 Jun 2008, 13:23
I would be pissed off if we didn't get a first round draft pick.
If he was worthy of a first round pick then he would have to be in West Coast's best 22, and one of the better players at that. I'd be surprised if he held much value at the trade table if he isn't playing at a level good enough for the AFL at the moment. I have to agree with Jimmy though, is he worth more staying at the club when there might be a lack of depth, rather than trying to sell him off?
Obeanie1
16 Jun 2008, 14:04
The Pies gave up Pick 14.
Assuming we finish 15th and get the priority pick would Pick 18 + 20 + Seaby = Top 10 Pick? Someone like Richmond or Carlton would possibly be dumb enough to do that trade?
Don't be silly, this years 18 and 20 would be like the last several years 8 and 10.
Seaby plus our third round pick for another second round pick, thats the best we can do this year IMO. Other than that hold on for another year, sign him up through to 2010 and trade with the Gold Coast for a first round pick in 2009.
Trade him to the Gold Coast when they come into the comp. How many 25 yr old ruckman would be on the trade table for them? It will allow us to get a youngster and develop them to be a 2nd choice ruckman if Lynch form begins to dwindle
greennick
16 Jun 2008, 17:07
Trade him to the Gold Coast when they come into the comp. How many 25 yr old ruckman would be on the trade table for them? It will allow us to get a youngster and develop them to be a 2nd choice ruckman if Lynch form begins to dwindle
We already have a ruckman we are developing as 2nd choice (hopefully) in Sullivan. I think this would be the go, trade him in 2 years to the GC if he wants to go and stamp his place as number 1 ruckman somewhere. If he doesn't want to go though, it will be hard to trade him, we generally don't do that.
We already have a ruckman we are developing as 2nd choice (hopefully) in Sullivan. I think this would be the go, trade him in 2 years to the GC if he wants to go and stamp his place as number 1 ruckman somewhere. If he doesn't want to go though, it will be hard to trade him, we generally don't do that.
We need one more.
greennick
16 Jun 2008, 17:48
We need one more.
If we get rid of Seaby we definitely need one more, I was just pointing out that we already have someone developing for the #2 if Seaby was gone, this would be for the #3.
Actually, that makes me think of an interesting point, we need to get the timeline right on ruckmen so they start getting good at the right time. You don't want a situation where you have a glut of ruckmen competing for the same spot, you need a slow and steady production line of them, with 2 and a half of them AFL ready at any one time. Right now, we barely have 2!
You wont get the proper value for Seaby due: 1) last draft before Gold Coast 2) Not alot clubs needing rucks 3) this years draft is strong in rucks.
Like anything it is the rule of supply and demand. No point trading him.
Gunnar Longshanks
16 Jun 2008, 23:22
You wont get the proper value for Seaby due: 1) last draft before Gold Coast 2) Not alot clubs needing rucks 3) this years draft is strong in rucks.
Like anything it is the rule of supply and demand.Oh wow - thanks for clearing that up.
When in Rome...
OnePunch
17 Jun 2008, 11:24
Seaby will never be a good 1st choice ruckman, he is really not worth much at all. He shows glimpses of some nice things, like a nice mark in the F50, but he is slow, not very good around the ground and does not seem all that footy smart.
We are dreaming if we think we can get anything substantial for him now.
Swooper Eagle
17 Jun 2008, 12:09
Just thinking, if we chose to off-load seabs, or if he chose to move back home (i think he is vic), then what could we get from him
This is not a "seaby must be traded" thread, but a hypothetical idea of what we would and should be able to get if he was to move
Risky proposition with Cox carrying his injury.
I'd prefer to keep Seaby but see if we can develop him into a real marking threat alongside Q in the pocket.
If we get a talented prospect coming through in a year or two then we could think about a change in personnel, but not now.