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magpies42
15 Jun 2008, 19:29
Umpires stood up for the carlscum when they were needed most, i wonder if the money they get from dick is tax deductable.
Did anyone here BRUCE's YESSSS! when a carlton player (i think fisher) marked and converted in the goal square!!!
THAT MAKES ME SOOOOO VERY ANGRY, given that Eddy was harshly critisized for for his completely objective commentating on collingwood games. What a joke...
Is Bruthh even a gayton supporter?
thatday
15 Jun 2008, 19:31
While the umpiring was shit I refuse to blame them. We should have won anyway.
magpies42
15 Jun 2008, 19:33
While the umpiring was shit I refuse to blame them. We should have won anyway.
i totally agree!!!! im not saying that we lost because of the umpires, but it is the difference between playing poorly and getting away with the win and just losing...it happens way to often
Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite
15 Jun 2008, 19:40
The umpires were shit for both sides. Carlton were robbed in the first half, it evened itself out throughout the game. We were harder at the ball and wanted it more. Stop being such bad losers
biglance18
15 Jun 2008, 19:44
just great to see u guys angry u guys should be top 4 with the draw u have u call carlton cheats take a hard looka at ya self:D
toorakbum
15 Jun 2008, 19:44
Umpires didn't have anything to do with it. Softness in midfield and lack of pride in the jumper cost us. How we can go into TWO games against Carlton seemingly without motivation is beyond me. Makes me wonder whether the club and its supporters are on a completely different wavelength when it comes to Carlton.
However there is always next week. Have faith that we can come out and make amends against the Dogs. I pray that our boys are angry, I really do. Because I am.
Coooooooneyyyyyyyy
15 Jun 2008, 19:45
Umpires didn't have anything to do with it. Softness in midfield and lack of pride in the jumper cost us. How we can go into TWO games against Carlton seemingly without motivation is beyond me. Makes me wonder whether the club and its supporters are on a completely different wavelength when it comes to Carlton.
However there is always next week. Have faith that we can come out and make amends against the Dogs. I pray that our boys are angry, I really do. Because I am.
Doubt it our Midfield and Our Forward Line Will Laugh at Your Players
The Royal Sampler
15 Jun 2008, 19:47
7 frees to 1 in the first quarter.
5 frees to 1 in the third quarter.
Not surprisingly the scoreboard reflected this.
blues4flag
15 Jun 2008, 19:47
The umpires weren't great - but both sides were on the end of some tough decisions. The better team on the day won - it was clear the Blues wanted it more (our tackling and tenacity, particularly early on was first class). If anything, we let you back in the game through poor kicking - we should have been 4 or 5 goals up at the first stage, had we converted our chances.
Doubt it our Midfield and Our Forward Line Will Laugh at Your Backs And MidFielders
We Are a Weird Team Though.
toorakbum
15 Jun 2008, 19:49
Doubt it our Midfield and Our Forward Line Will Laugh at Your Backs And MidFielders
If You Say So :)
(Pay Attention In English)
magpies42
15 Jun 2008, 19:50
The umpires weren't great - but both sides were on the end of some tough decisions. The better team on the day won - it was clear the Blues wanted it more (our tackling and tenacity, particularly early on was first class). If anything, we let you back in the game through poor kicking - we should have been 4 or 5 goals up at the first stage, had we converted our chances.
Credit to your filth, you turned up to play. You should be proud of that.
As for the umpires comment, that is a load of crap. you did outplay us, but what i am trying to say is that sometimes good teams win when they are playing poorly. We cant do this if we get stitched up by the umps at crucial stages...
Trav hit three posts, medders and leon missed from in close. whats your point?
RRRooocccaaa
15 Jun 2008, 19:53
There was a subtle but crucial difference - Carlscum got the free kicks in around the goals.
Look at the snap from Leon where Medhurst and Thornton contest in the goalsquare in the final quarter. Absolutely nothing in it - a fair bump sideways and it is reversed! The ball travels up the ground and Fev legs Harry in the goalsquare without penalty.
It was a 12 point advantage in the space of 2 minutes and the game was never able to regain any balance.
I've been watching the decisions in slow-mo just to see if I was over-reacting today, but these stood out as the worst. That, and the ability to pay a holding the ball position despite strong tackling.
I lost any semblance of respect for the Blues and their supporters today - I still don't rate them as a team and I still think we'll have the last laugh when they end up 9th this year.
Brent24
15 Jun 2008, 19:53
Doubt it our Midfield and Our Forward Line Will Laugh at Your Backs And MidFielders
I didn't know you supported Bulldogs now Dave. :thumbsu:
On topic, really the umpires weren't that bad, except for the 2 goal turn around after the Medhurst "push in the back", disgraceful decision. That being said, we lost fair and square.
thatday
15 Jun 2008, 19:55
That non decision when Fev clearly tripped Harry was absolutly disgraceful.
The Royal Sampler
15 Jun 2008, 20:02
^ As was the free goal to Fisher for no reason other than that he fell over.
jonoman89
15 Jun 2008, 20:09
^ As was the free goal to Fisher for no reason other than that he fell over.
Medhurst pushed him out of the contest.
Don't act like you weren't gifted free's either - Daisy's free 40m out from armfield was an absolute joke, as was Didak not giving away 50 for butting Thornton if the face out of play. Not to mention O'Bree Knocking out Cloke.
You were beaten by a better team, deal with it.
thatday
15 Jun 2008, 20:10
Medhurst pushed him out of the contest.
Fairly.
The Royal Sampler
15 Jun 2008, 20:11
^ Medhurst playing on the fullback line? I think you're thinking of something else.
smiddaz123
15 Jun 2008, 20:14
Medhurst pushed him out of the contest.
Don't act like you weren't gifted free's either - Daisy's free 40m out from armfield was an absolute joke, as was Didak not giving away 50 for butting Thornton if the face out of play. Not to mention O'Bree Knocking out Cloke.
You were beaten by a better team, deal with it.
Did you watching the game?
Medhurst was nowhere near Fisher. Do you think Medhurst is a backman?
Johnson was the one who layed the hit on Cloke, not O'Bree. And it was a bump, he didn't K.O him
That said, i don't think the umpires had a big effect on the game. You just struggle to get your facts straight too.
james Dean
15 Jun 2008, 20:19
That non decision when Fev clearly tripped Harry was absolutly disgraceful.
Apart from the fact that he dragged the ball off the ground and 'The Big H' (Looked like a big L most of the day) Tripped over Fev's arms?
Pies_10
15 Jun 2008, 20:21
Fishers Free kick for in the back when he was behind Wakes WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
da_ilks
15 Jun 2008, 20:22
Suck it up boys!!
The pies aren't as good as they think.
Keep talking up your kids....... i think Derek Hine should be having a look at ours.
Gee it hurts doesnt it.
Wow, we lose 1 game and suddenly we are shit? Gee people are fickle and have short memories.
swiftdog
15 Jun 2008, 20:26
Judd clearly drags the ball in, no free kick.
Fevola hits Didak behind play, free ends up with Carlton:confused:
Medhurst side on bump on goal line, free kcick to Carlton
Harry tripped in goalsquare, no free-kick.
Wow, we lose 1 game and suddenly we are shit? Gee people are fickle and have short memories.
Hardly. Losing to the scum in never acceptable.
drewie_rama
15 Jun 2008, 20:29
Apart from the fact that he dragged the ball off the ground and 'The Big H' (Looked like a big L most of the day) Tripped over Fev's arms?
talk about bias..gees
umpiring was awful both ways today, but as mentioned, carlton got the important ones around the goals at both ends
Carlton clearly lift for games against both collingwood and essendon, still always beat the both of us or came close despite them being totally inept for 5 years. I think their kids will fall apart rounds 16-20 when the gruelling season starts taking its toll
BUCKS THANKS
15 Jun 2008, 20:54
just great to see u guys angry u guys should be top 4 with the draw u have u call carlton cheats take a hard looka at ya self:D
Collingwood dont make up the draw you wank, money hungry AFL do and make sure the pies bring them home the bacon, perfect example look where the dees and tigers played today.
Carlton have cheated with there tanking to get low draft picks and the criminal president has paid Judd under the table to come across, and lets not forget the former pig president.
How many members to you have hot shot
BUCKS THANKS
15 Jun 2008, 20:56
Judd clearly drags the ball in, no free kick.
Fevola hits Didak behind play, free ends up with Carlton:confused:
Medhurst side on bump on goal line, free kcick to Carlton
Harry tripped in goalsquare, no free-kick.
Thought I was the only one that saw these bad decisions
Optimax
15 Jun 2008, 20:58
talk about bias..gees
umpiring was awful both ways today, but as mentioned, carlton got the important ones around the goals at both ends
Carlton clearly lift for games against both collingwood and essendon, still always beat the both of us or came close despite them being totally inept for 5 years. I think their kids will fall apart rounds 16-20 when the gruelling season starts taking its toll
oh thank chirst it wasnt just us that saw these.
blues4flag
15 Jun 2008, 21:36
How about the disgraceful holding the ball decision 15 metres out from goal. Swan had the ball half way to his boot, yet the ump said he was being held without it. :thumbsd:
Umpires stood up for the carlscum when they were needed most, i wonder if the money they get from dick is tax deductable.
Did anyone here BRUCE's YESSSS! when a carlton player (i think fisher) marked and converted in the goal square!!!
THAT MAKES ME SOOOOO VERY ANGRY, given that Eddy was harshly critisized for for his completely objective commentating on collingwood games. What a joke...
Is Bruthh even a gayton supporter?
I have always thought that Bruce was completely infatuated with Didak. The way he raves about the simplest things that he does is quite sickenening and I am sure that his fellow commentators must get embarressed with him regarding this.
cookie monster
15 Jun 2008, 21:50
There was a subtle but crucial difference - Carlscum got the free kicks in around the goals.
Look at the snap from Leon where Medhurst and Thornton contest in the goalsquare in the final quarter. Absolutely nothing in it - a fair bump sideways and it is reversed! The ball travels up the ground and Fev legs Harry in the goalsquare without penalty.
It was a 12 point advantage in the space of 2 minutes and the game was never able to regain any balance.
I've been watching the decisions in slow-mo just to see if I was over-reacting today, but these stood out as the worst. That, and the ability to pay a holding the ball position despite strong tackling.
I lost any semblance of respect for the Blues and their supporters today - I still don't rate them as a team and I still think we'll have the last laugh when they end up 9th this year.
check the replay again mate. IIRC, daisy thomas and medhurst got a few kicks in fron of goal in the 3rd quarter. Carlton got them towards the end of the match, but if you were a truly good side, you shouldve already buried us.
RRRooocccaaa
15 Jun 2008, 21:55
check the replay again mate. IIRC, daisy thomas and medhurst got a few kicks in fron of goal in the 3rd quarter. Carlton got them towards the end of the match, but if you were a truly good side, you shouldve already buried us.
I can't argue against that - we're not yet a truly great side. We _can_ be, but we're not consistently good... even when Geelong has been down this year, they've still managed 10 average wins. We've lost (including today) 3 games in the last quarter where we should have held our nerve.
I still stand by the poor umpiring - for both sides. It's just that The Blues were recipients a lot more times in front of goal.
Collingwood dont make up the draw you wank, money hungry AFL do and make sure the pies bring them home the bacon, perfect example look where the dees and tigers played today.
Carlton have cheated with there tanking to get low draft picks and the criminal president has paid Judd under the table to come across, and lets not forget the former pig president.
How many members to you have hot shot
Over 40,000 mate, maybe not as many as the Pies, but hey, hope you arent too bitter about today! :)
Go Blues!
carlton_forever
15 Jun 2008, 22:48
how can u say that collingwood should have won anyway carlton won 3 quarters of football n u guys only won the 2n quarter. collingwood can be a very good team when they want to be but u got beaten by a team who wanted it more!!! cheers
AND REMEMBER...GO THE BLUES:
thatday
15 Jun 2008, 22:56
how can u say that collingwood should have won anyway carlton won 3 quarters of football n u guys only won the 2n quarter. collingwood can be a very good team when they want to be but u got beaten by a team who wanted it more!!! cheers
AND REMEMBER...GO THE BLUES:
I can say that because I have seen how good we can play. I mean that we should be able to win whether the umpires are shit or not. Otherwise we are just wasting time and making up the numbers in the 8. Carlton deserved to win today, no doubt about that, but technically we should have won, higher ladder position and in we were in better form leading into that game. Carlton played with heart and passion, the Pies didn't.
magpies42
16 Jun 2008, 00:28
Medhurst pushed him out of the contest.
Don't act like you weren't gifted free's either - Daisy's free 40m out from armfield was an absolute joke, as was Didak not giving away 50 for butting Thornton if the face out of play. Not to mention O'Bree Knocking out Cloke.
You were beaten by a better team, deal with it.
free was against wakes! you should be an umpire!!!!
whats about the free hampson received in the square?! he ran off and the ump had to call him back to tell him he had a free kick, he had no idea...
boubba_25
16 Jun 2008, 01:53
i didn't go to the game 2day... but i was told the umpiring 2day was not flash. Was it a factor?
By the way.. Collingwood is a hard working team that lacks polish. Anyone who plays football will know it is impossible to keep this intensity up for 22 + round. No excuse but just a thought.
The Royal Sampler
16 Jun 2008, 01:57
Umpires threads merged.
frantelle
16 Jun 2008, 02:02
the 2 worst decisions i have seen this year
1) in the 2nd i think...judd laying on the...extends his arms...drags the pull in...doesnt get out...5 players standing there shouting ball and its a ball up...obvious judd favouritism there...and anyone who remembers it could not say otherwise
2) the free kick medhurst gave away in the last in the goal square...softest free kick of the day
it denied us a goal and they went forward with that possession and kicked a goal...the game turned from there
2 very very very pathetic decisions and 2 of the worst i have seen this year by far
frantelle
16 Jun 2008, 02:10
Judd clearly drags the ball in, no free kick.
Fevola hits Didak behind play, free ends up with Carlton:confused:
Medhurst side on bump on goal line, free kcick to Carlton
Harry tripped in goalsquare, no free-kick.
that one happened twice actually
not to mention the pure softness of these bumps
i thought medhurst must of sneezed
oh well
no shame in losing to a club that has aimed for only winning against us for the last 6 years
i mean how many years could u possibly tank before u have a good enough side to do anything...not to mention the extra little payments juddy would be receiving under the table
but onwards and upwards as thats the carlton way!:thumbsu:
FOOT OF GOD
16 Jun 2008, 10:26
All I can remember is a carlton wank yelling go the ump well done ump all game...
Still got done they wanted it more....
I dont think there is any doubt that we got the worst of the umpiring, with most bad decisions coming at crucial stages. The fress against Medhurst for the bump, and against fresh air for the free (and goal) to Fisher were particularly bad.
Having said that, we played badly for a large portion of the game and we cannot blame the umpires for our loss.
The umpires were shit for both sides. Carlton were robbed in the first half, it evened itself out throughout the game. We were harder at the ball and wanted it more. Stop being such bad losers
Frees were about 18 for Carlton to 12 for Collingwood at half time. not sure what the full timwe tally was but i'm sure the umps would have paid a few even-up frees when it didn't matter anymore.
Can someone please put those baffling decisions up on Youtube so we can at least try and work out what the umps were thinking?
Cyclops
16 Jun 2008, 12:14
Umps did not win the game for Carlton, just added insult to injury.
We lost to a worse team through laziness, thats the fourth time this year at least.
just great to see u guys angry u guys should be top 4 with the draw u have u call carlton cheats take a hard looka at ya self:D
at least we can put freo away :thumbsu:
The umpiring is the worst its been all year, i can't believe some of the decisions made... However, when you lose by 5 goals you can't blame the umpires, as much as i'd like too...
Can't say I heard the ch.7 commentary, and I doubt I'll be looking for a replay any time soon :p
Mars II
16 Jun 2008, 12:39
they got 3 goal and we lost 1 goal inside the goal square. and we only got 1 fre kick after quarter time.
Snag Breac
16 Jun 2008, 16:08
Question - are umps ever held accountable for poor decisions after the game? And I don't just mean by being dropped for a week or so. Is there ever a real attempt to negate the effect of bad umpiring decisions retrospectively?
I'm not suggesting that decisions yesterday cost us the game, but they did appear to affect momentum and morale. Collingwood seems to have suffered significantly through poor umpiring this year, but I've also seen inexplicable decisions go our way. Is umpiring really so hard? Or is there a case to be made for a 4th ump?
they got 3 goal and we lost 1 goal inside the goal square. and we only got 1 fre kick after quarter time.
If I read the herald-sun stats correctly this morning, Im pretty sure it said "goals from free kicks - Collingwood 3, Carlton 2"?!! In saying that, I know there were some shocking decisions made for both teams. By far the worst was Medhurst V Thornton in the goal sq in the last quarter was a shocker! & Im pretty sure I saw Heath Shaw just handball the ball straight out of bounds with about 5 mins to go & not get pinged. I think Schmitt needs a run down in Nar-Nar Goon reserves!!
Godfrey Jones
16 Jun 2008, 16:29
unpiring is terrible throughout the AFL!!!
im as one eyed as the next pies supporter but even i can see this, lets stop playing the "world against us" role...please
paulyb_gopies
16 Jun 2008, 17:51
no doubt carlton earnt the win... and being a completely one eyed collingwood supporter it pains me to say that... but the umpires did effect that game... you cant have 7 frees to 1 in a quarter and say that the umpiring didnt effect the outcome..
the frees ended up 23 to 15... im led to believe 9 of those 15 came in the 2nd quarter.. which obviously leaves just 6 frees in 3 quarters of footy... as if any footy side these days with the soft free kicks that are given could only give away 6 free kicks in 3 quarters.. with fair umpiring that is basically impossible.. another fact is that we have received the least amount of free kicks of any team this year and out of the 12 games we have had more frees than our opponents only 4 times
having said all that we shouldn't have blown that 4 goal lead regardless... and now im looking forward to hopefully seeing some of that brilliant pressure that we know we can produce and knocking off those dogs!
Helfarch
16 Jun 2008, 18:05
just great to see u guys angry u guys should be top 4 with the draw u have u call carlton cheats take a hard looka at ya self:D
Wait...of any other clubs supporters this could almost make sense but having just been pumped and dumped out of the 8 :confused:
go_pies_for_eva
17 Jun 2008, 00:18
The Umpiers Where Shit House Wat Can't U Get A Free Kick If U Make Judd Holding The Ball Its Bullshit The Umpiers Hate Collingwood!!!! And Every Single Time Nup Fev Free Kick In The 50 And Ours Are Allways In The Center Where U Can't Score From There So Its Bullshit Upms Pick On Collingwood Every Week
toorakbum
17 Jun 2008, 00:20
Holy smokes Dave the Man is multiplying!
RRRooocccaaa
17 Jun 2008, 00:43
The Umpiers Where Shit House Wat Can't U Get A Free Kick If U Make Judd Holding The Ball Its Bullshit The Umpiers Hate Collingwood!!!! And Every Single Time Nup Fev Free Kick In The 50 And Ours Are Allways In The Center Where U Can't Score From There So Its Bullshit Upms Pick On Collingwood Every Week
AAARRGGGHHHH!!!! My eyes!!!!
magpies42
17 Jun 2008, 01:43
Umps did not win the game for Carlton, just added insult to injury.
We lost to a worse team through laziness, thats the fourth time this year at least.
The game could have gone either way. The fact that we played poorly(or they played well) to allow them to get into that position is irrelevant. We have every right, just like every other team, to have a win on a bad day! stuff like this happens in all sports, the better team on the day does not always win. The umpires insured that we had no chance of wining!
Blueboys11
17 Jun 2008, 10:30
To all the one eyed Pies fans on here... Please consider these facts.
5 free kicks inside 50m to 3 - Collingwoods way.
Fisher mark disallowed in the goalsquare for in the back in the 2nd quarter?? Notice no Collingwood suppiorter has commented on this?? I couldnt even see anyone else in the contest really....
Frees to Lockyer and Thomas and Swan in the 2nd quarter... All very debateable resulting in 2.1.
Umpiring goes both ways...and for what its worth, watch the Medhurst decision and try and tell me he doesnt just shove Thornton right out of the contest with 2 outstretched arms.... Seemed prett obvious in the replay and the Giesch has backed this decison. As for the Fev trip?? He was grabbing the ball and Harry O fell over his arms cause he wasnt commited enough to bend down and pick it up!!!!
da_ilks
17 Jun 2008, 14:03
watch the Medhurst decision and try and tell me he doesnt just shove Thornton right out of the contest with 2 outstretched arms.... Seemed prett obvious in the replay and the Giesch has backed this decison.
Fev was doing the same all day, where's the difference?
Blueboys11
17 Jun 2008, 14:22
Fev was doing the same all day, where's the difference?
Please give me one example of Fev doing this...
Fevs contests were all one on one with both players grappling with each other in battles of strength... Nothing like the Medhurst one....
Now who's one eyed?
He pushed the player out at least four times when he marked... according to jeff Giesham this is always a free kick (when Medhurst does it)
Blueboys11
17 Jun 2008, 15:14
please name the incidents where this occured...
And we are not talking about where he shrugs an opponent off who is all over him.... I want a fairdinkum push example... Ill go to the tape tonight and check it if you can come up with one...
thatday
17 Jun 2008, 18:39
please name the incidents where this occured...
And we are not talking about where he shrugs an opponent off who is all over him.... I want a fairdinkum push example... Ill go to the tape tonight and check it if you can come up with one...
I won't give you one of those as I was sitting up the top level at the game and could only see the bleeding obvious, but do you want to explain to me why it was ok for Fev to pull Harry Os legs out from under him as he was about to run away with the ball? Or why it was Ok for Fev to pull N.Browns jumper in so many contests its not funny? A good example was when Fev dragged Browny to the ground by the Jumper, Fev got the ball and kicked a goal while on his back in the goal square. It really isn't all the ____ing hard, shit decisions went both ways, and for some reason people always forget, it isn't only the frees called, its the ones that they missed and the inconsistency of the umpiring. The umpiring didn't cost us the game but fair dinkum, you call us one eyed.:rolleyes:
Back to Bruth...
I have no doubt after that game that he is a carlton supporter. What about when they were running forward and he screams "That's what we all want to see!!!" WTF??? Just about shot a load i think
Blueboys11
18 Jun 2008, 10:50
I won't give you one of those as I was sitting up the top level at the game and could only see the bleeding obvious, but do you want to explain to me why it was ok for Fev to pull Harry Os legs out from under him as he was about to run away with the ball? Or why it was Ok for Fev to pull N.Browns jumper in so many contests its not funny? A good example was when Fev dragged Browny to the ground by the Jumper, Fev got the ball and kicked a goal while on his back in the goal square. It really isn't all the ____ing hard, shit decisions went both ways, and for some reason people always forget, it isn't only the frees called, its the ones that they missed and the inconsistency of the umpiring. The umpiring didn't cost us the game but fair dinkum, you call us one eyed.:rolleyes:
Was that same contest that Brown had his arm around Fevola and fell into his back as well?? Admitadly i though there was a free kick against Waite just before that for taking Maxwell out of the contest...
As for the Harry o one... Fev grabbed the ball, and incidently caused Harry O to lose his footing as he was trying to toe poke the ball at the same time... Never has been a free and never will be a free...
Snag Breac
19 Jun 2008, 15:12
Back to Bruth...
I have no doubt after that game that he is a carlton supporter. What about when they were running forward and he screams "That's what we all want to see!!!" WTF??? Just about shot a load i think
If that's true, he'll be paid in his own coin.;)