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mattys123
15 Jun 2008, 20:20
So who pays the price for that insipid, pathetic effort.
I say Thomas, Brown (needs a rest) and Wellingham.
Ins, Illes, McAffer (off the rookie list), Cook (or cox).
We dropped Marty Clarke early on, and he is now going well, it's time for Thommo to have a run in the 2's.
Swanny36
15 Jun 2008, 20:23
So who pays the price for that insipid, pathetic effort.
I say Thomas, Brown (needs a rest) and Wellingham.
Ins, Illes, McAffer (off the rookie list), Cook (or cox).
We dropped Marty Clarke early on, and he is now going well, it's time for Thommo to have a run in the 2's.
do not agree with ANY of the outs at all,this was wellingham's first shocker and your calling for his head...
Brown?? dont think so he is one of our main backman now!
Thomas??? now this one i cant understand....he has ran into form over the last month he has averaged 20 touches and over a goal a game and you want to drop him??
you are kidding right??
Pies_10
15 Jun 2008, 20:24
Reid never gonna make it no heart and very poor when he doesnt have the ball
Reid never gonna make it no heart and very poor when he doesnt have the ball
dave the man is going to get you back in a few years time.
mattys123
15 Jun 2008, 20:27
Merely suggestions, but ill stick to my thoughts on Thomas, love the bloke, but he needs to get 30 + possies in the 2's and get that flair back into his game.
As i said Brown needs a rest, and wellingham will be in and out of the side this year, but is a star of the future.
I couldve been dramatic and said;
Out; Fraser, Lockyer, Davis (clearly not fit)
same ins as above.
magpietray
15 Jun 2008, 20:28
Reid never gonna make it no heart and very poor when he doesnt have the ball
he has only played a handful of games,was not the worst player today.give the guy a go before you hang him out to dry
Swanny36
15 Jun 2008, 20:29
Reid never gonna make it no heart and very poor when he doesnt have the ball
you are kidding right??
he had 16 touche's 9 marks 4 tackles, a goal assist and 7 inside50's which was the most of any other collingwood player!! he is 19 and he has just played a brilliant game and you're calling for him to be dropped.....FFS he has only played 5 career games...
Pies_10
15 Jun 2008, 20:29
do not agree with ANY of the outs at all,this was wellingham's first shocker and your calling for his head...
Brown?? dont think so he is one of our main backman now!
Thomas??? now this one i cant understand....he has ran into form over the last month he has averaged 20 touches and over a goal a game and you want to drop him??
you are kidding right??
Well i agree but all in all when Thomas has a bad game he really is bad and Pendles shouldnt have played today maybe even Wood for fraser he looks injured still
Swanny36
15 Jun 2008, 20:31
Well i agree but all in all when Thomas has a bad game he really is bad and Pendles shouldnt have played today maybe even Wood for fraser he looks injured still
same with rocca but he is still one of our most important players....
maybe we should drop Medhurst whilst we're at it:rolleyes:
thatday
15 Jun 2008, 20:31
So who pays the price for that insipid, pathetic effort.
I say Thomas, Brown (needs a rest) and Wellingham.
Ins, Illes, McAffer (off the rookie list), Cook (or cox).
We dropped Marty Clarke early on, and he is now going well, it's time for Thommo to have a run in the 2's.
My feelings are that you are incorrect... Very incorrect, if not for your magpie allegiance, I would call you a furburger/dropkick/dickweed etc.
Maybe Brown could have a rest, but not anytime soon, maybe next year. He's young and weary, but he's the only one capable of taking on the big men. (no-one was capable of beating Fev today.)
Daisy and Sharrod, I don't even need to say anything.
Pies_10
15 Jun 2008, 20:32
you are kidding right??
he had 16 touche's 9 marks 4 tackles, a goal assist and 7 inside50's which was the most of any other collingwood player!! he is 19 and he has just played a brilliant game and you're calling for him to be dropped.....FFS he has only played 5 career games...
All right i agree maybe its still me being pissed off but he just didnt chase today there was two or three occasions that a carlton player had the ball and he just jogged and didnt look like he didnt want to tackle.
I don't see why Josh Fraser is protected from the axe. He was horrible today and hasn't been in good form (maybe due to his knee) but we have a good young ruckman in the VFL and I think it's time Fraser had the acid put on him to perform and either give him 2 weeks off or send him back to the VFL because at the moment I think Wood and Bryan would do a better job than Fraser and Bryan.
Pies_10
15 Jun 2008, 20:35
same with rocca but he is still one of our most important players....
maybe we should drop Medhurst whilst we're at it:rolleyes:
I didnt mean drop them just he is really bad when he has an off day Pendles was still not 100% and either is fraser:rolleyes:
Swanny36
15 Jun 2008, 20:36
All right i agree maybe its still me being pissed off but he just didnt chase today there was two or three occasions that a carlton player had the ball and he just jogged and didnt look like he didnt want to tackle.
he laid 4 tackles what more do you want from a 19 year old 5 gamer, 195cm forward?? he was probably our 4th best today behind Swan,Medhurst and O'Bree..
Reid played a good game and earned a game next week.
darrenzahra
15 Jun 2008, 20:37
Fraser- Had poor game. 3 kicks 2 ineffective. Got caught numerous times. Needs to lift.
Leon Davis- Didn't play well. Doesn't look right doesn't have normally speed and lateral movement. Hampered by ankle injury.
Heath Shaw- Quiet match. Continues to get tagged in backline. Needs to break shackles.
Dale Thomas- Has become overconfident and is trying to be to fancy. Example check side pass.
Dis we go into today's game with three unfit players in Fraser, Pendles and Davis?
That can be a big mistake.
Pies_10
15 Jun 2008, 20:39
Fraser- Had poor game. 3 kicks 2 ineffective. Got caught numerous times. Needs to lift.
Leon Davis- Didn't play well. Doesn't look right doesn't have normally speed and lateral movement. Hampered by ankle injury.
Heath Shaw- Quiet match. Continues to get tagged in backline. Needs to break shackles.
Dale Thomas- Has become overconfident and is trying to be to fancy. Example check side pass.
Heath Shaw: MM should play him on the wing if he is getting tagged
Big Bucks
15 Jun 2008, 20:43
How insipid whas Fraser, \
Fraser Hackwell
Hide him Mickey Mouse.
Big Bucks
15 Jun 2008, 20:44
Dis we go into today's game with three unfit players in Fraser, Pendles and Davis?
That can be a big mistake.
\
____ Fraser off,
Second round draft choice.
mattys123
15 Jun 2008, 20:47
My feelings are that you are incorrect... Very incorrect, if not for your magpie allegiance, I would call you a furburger/dropkick/dickweed etc.
Maybe Brown could have a rest, but not anytime soon, maybe next year. He's young and weary, but he's the only one capable of taking on the big men. (no-one was capable of beating Fev today.)
Daisy and Sharrod, I don't even need to say anything.
Brown taking on the big men, shit yeah, the doggies have a lot of them, hence the perfect game for a rest, add the break and hes fresh and going for Barry Hall.
Wellingham, as i said, will be in and out all year, but is a future star.
Thomas, not good enough, ill stick to that. (based on his potential)
My Thoughts:
Fraser had a shocker, but he'll come back strong next week. KEEP
Brown was really a victim of the match up. He's too big and slow for Fev. KEEP
Thomas was one of our worst and I think his form hasn't been that good of late. I feel Mick needs to reel him in and make sure he's doing the simple things right. That banana kick on the HFF was embarassing. CONSIDER DROPPING
Didak was quiet specially in the 2nd half, has too much class however. KEEP
Wellingham. Didn't get it alot and fumbled it. Might need a shot of confidence in the two's. DROP
Pendlebury was quiet. I'll put it down to not being 100% fit. Leon in the same boat.
Also, was very happy with Reid. Definitely earned another game. I still believe their are question marks over his disposal though. Hope its nothing major.
Optimax
15 Jun 2008, 20:53
My Thoughts:
Thomas was one of our worst and I think his form hasn't been that good of late. I feel Mick needs to reel him in and make sure he's doing the simple things right. That banana kick on the HFF was embarassing. CONSIDER DROPPING
Thomas has been our best for the past month.
One bad match doesnt get you dropped.
I agree with the rest, but thomas isnt anywhere near dropping
if we were just going on today's performance, you could name about 10 players, inc Leon, Marty, Johnno, Daisy, Josh, Pendles, Heater. You've just got to put it down to a bad day at the office when your reliable players have a shocker like that. I'd say run Daisy more through the midfield to take some pressure off him, and let Heath play further up the ground - maybe drop Johhno if the MRP doesn't give hime a holiday and run Lonie from defence. Hopefully Leon gets over whatever was wrong with him today and Pendles has a week off the track to freshen up. Give Marty another chance and maybe give Sharrod a rest - bring Cook back in. Josh, ahhh, dunno what to do there.
thatday
15 Jun 2008, 20:55
Brown taking on the big men, shit yeah, the doggies have a lot of them, hence the perfect game for a rest, add the break and hes fresh and going for Barry Hall.
Wellingham, as i said, will be in and out all year, but is a future star.
Thomas, not good enough, ill stick to that. (based on his potential)
Solid Reply. :):thumbsu:
Thomas was one of our worst and I think his form hasn't been that good of late. I feel Mick needs to reel him in and make sure he's doing the simple things right. That banana kick on the HFF was embarassing. CONSIDER DROPPING
Wellingham. Didn't get it alot and fumbled it. Might need a shot of confidence in the two's. DROP
Would be silly to drop either, they've been in good form, both just had an off game.
However, before next game I would lock Thomas in a room and have someone repeatedly yell at him "YOU ARE NOT LEON DAVIS!".
RRRooocccaaa
15 Jun 2008, 21:12
Re: Thomas - you ungrateful bunch of bastards.
He's one of the few that provided some spark and enthusiasm in an otherwise pedestrian performance. He runs, he tries to fly and he has a crack at the flashy stuff because that's how he plays. Two weeks ago he's being lauded for his style and flair - this week it doesn't pay off and you're calling for his head.
FFS, dropping and cutting players from the team is not 'sending a message'. It's just disruptive and petty unless there's some tangible benefit.
Wood is still not playing at Fraser's level, so he stays in the 2s to hone his craft some more.
Wellingham needs more time, not less. If he's brought in occassionally, how does he get a good feel for the game at the top level? He'd suffer from Iles Syndrome if you did that to him.
Brown himself said he's feeling as fresh as a daisy, and if you watched him throw himself around today he'd be proven right. Mick's not speaking crap when he says that 'they'll learn' from today - Brownie needs to work out what he can/can't get away with as a defender (in a now-overly officiated game) and he needs each week to practice these skills.
Is it possible that we can lose a game and then just learn and move on rather than behaving like petulant middle-managers?!?
I wouldn't drop anyone unless Rocca was ready.
I'd say go out and make immense for what you dished up today because you're better than that.
Unfortunately I just wonder if anything will even be said about it because it seems these days that players and coaches move on to next week straight away instead of hurting about the crap they dished up and are left to get themselves up for each game.
Confident though that we'll serve something good up next week because that seems the way with Collingwood.
Lift Pies.
Re: Thomas - you ungrateful bunch of bastards.
He's one of the few that provided some spark and enthusiasm in an otherwise pedestrian performance. He runs, he tries to fly and he has a crack at the flashy stuff because that's how he plays. Two weeks ago he's being lauded for his style and flair - this week it doesn't pay off and you're calling for his head.
I'm sorry, this is shit. There's no reason to forgive bone-headed mistakes just because he's "trying". He needs to learn that he's not a great kick at this stage, so he should not be trying fancy kicks that have almost no chance of coming off. It's detrimental to the team.
It's a very simple concept really - make the high % play. He chooses the flashy low % option way too often.
RRRooocccaaa
15 Jun 2008, 21:32
It's a very simple concept really - make the high % play. He chooses the flashy low % option way too often.
Patronising crap. Such a 'simple concept' that it becomes easy for opposition teams to predict the flow of the game, and the smart ones (the Stevens, Judds, Pendleburys, etc...) can see it unfold even before the kick has left the boot.
Thomas had _one_ instance where he kicked it awkwardly and it came off badly. But he was sending it to a dangerous spot and giving the forwards a chance.
Didakcular
15 Jun 2008, 22:09
Don't get me wrong Reid played a good game today, but there were a few times when he just stood there when he could have tackled or laid a Sheppard. This is something he needs to work on, as well as his kicking and them I think he has the potential to be in our best 22. However I think this was the case for most of our players today!
adzarani
15 Jun 2008, 22:29
No one pays the price. This is Collingwood remember......we have a lot of young players. We are really looking to 2010 or 2012 or maybe 2028 or something. Just because we showed no fighting spirit doesn't mean we wont be a great side in 5 or 10 years but for now we'll just have to accept that we don't have the players. In much the same way as we apparently haven't had the players for the last 9 years. But the main thing is that the boys turned up and tried to win, or at least play.
There is no accountability at Collingwood because there is no expectation.
This football club is a joke..........now we can all watch Carlton become a force in the competition, the same way we have watched, Hawthorn, Geelong and Footscray overtake us. Oh well, I guess we just need to give everyone more time, another 5 to 10 years for MM to find the right playing list before we can expect to be among the AFL's elite.
We have had no respect in this competition for 15 years, look at what happened today, look at Carlton hustle us out of a 5 goal lead. Judd & Fevola were the difference, we don't have guys that can do what either of them did in the last qtr thats called recruiting, thats what succesfull clubs do well.
Patronising crap. Such a 'simple concept' that it becomes easy for opposition teams to predict the flow of the game, and the smart ones (the Stevens, Judds, Pendleburys, etc...) can see it unfold even before the kick has left the boot.
Thomas had _one_ instance where he kicked it awkwardly and it came off badly. But he was sending it to a dangerous spot and giving the forwards a chance.
Stevens, Judd and Pendlebury do make the high percentage play.
You have to understand, high percentage for one player is low percentage for another, so calling it predictable is rubbish.
For example:
Didak on the boundary 45m out - having a shot is the highest % play. For Dane Swan, not so much. Similarly taking on two tacklers is a high % play for Pendlebury, but not for Scott Burns.
It's about knowing your own limits, and choosing an option that falls within your limits. If you want to be able to do the flashy stuff, improve your skills to the point that you can. I'll never criticise Thomas for going for a flashy mark, because he can jump and he has great hands. I will criticise him for trying shit by foot that he might be able to execute 1/10.
No one pays the price. This is Collingwood remember......we have a lot of young players. We are really looking to 2010 or 2012 or maybe 2028 or something. Just because we showed no fighting spirit doesn't mean we wont be a great side in 5 or 10 years but for now we'll just have to accept that we don't have the players. In much the same way as we apparently haven't had the players for the last 9 years. But the main thing is that the boys turned up and tried to win, or at least play.
There is no accountability at Collingwood because there is no expectation.
This football club is a joke..........now we can all watch Carlton become a force in the competition, the same way we have watched, Hawthorn, Geelong and Footscray overtake us. Oh well, I guess we just need to give everyone more time, another 5 to 10 years for MM to find the right playing list before we can expect to be among the AFL's elite.
We have had no respect in this competition for 15 years, look at what happened today, look at Carlton hustle us out of a 5 goal lead. Judd & Fevola were the difference, we don't have guys that can do what either of them did in the last qtr thats called recruiting, thats what succesfull clubs do well.
Today's loss is directly related to our diabolically bad drafting from 1999 to 2005 as we have no good players in the 24-28 age bracket. This will cost us for at least another few years and even longer if the promise of the past few years drafting turns out to be a false dawn. And to my mind there are still question marks over all those recent draft picks from Pendleberry, Thomas through to Brown and Reid.
In fact Reid is a good example of why I am concerned. Moves very well and provides a target but what a dreadful kick. And being able to kick is arguably the most important attribute a forward, or any footballer for that matter, can have.
Carn Mighty Pies
15 Jun 2008, 22:47
Don't get me wrong Reid played a good game today, but there were a few times when he just stood there when he could have tackled or laid a Sheppard. This is something he needs to work on, as well as his kicking and them I think he has the potential to be in our best 22. However I think this was the case for most of our players today!
I agree. He just doesn't seem like he has a heap of confidence using his body.. Maybe that's it, I dunno.. He's still very young though and he will get bigger and stronger. Give him a couple of years.
As for his kicking.. Yer, let's hope BT can help him really improve that.
Pie eyed
15 Jun 2008, 22:56
I wouldn't drop anyone unless Rocca was ready.
I'd say go out and make immense for what you dished up today because you're better than that.
Unfortunately I just wonder if anything will even be said about it because it seems these days that players and coaches move on to next week straight away instead of hurting about the crap they dished up and are left to get themselves up for each game.
Confident though that we'll serve something good up next week because that seems the way with Collingwood.
Lift Pies.
I'm with you. We played crap and the best way to get over it will be to beat the Doggies next week. If we win that we're back on track.
For what it is worth I don't think we lost the game on the paddock.
I think MM got sucked into to playing with a defensive mindset where we clearly should have gone into the game 100% attacking. Same thing happened last game v Carltoon. The whole week was a bit too much "poor us", "too many big games" blah blah.
MM should be pointing out that "we are Collingwood, we thrive on the big games, it's what we are about.", "welcome to our world Carlton, here's how it's done"
Don't get me wrong, I don't think for a minute that MM believes any of the "Too many Blockbusters" twaddle he was sprouting, he just gets too involved in mind games and sometimes falls for his own spin.
checker
15 Jun 2008, 23:46
todays game sucked, our players sucked.
O'brien - hack, the only time he could stop fev was when he dragged him back and gave away a free kick.
brown - overrated, sure he might be good but he holds no chance against fev, he rarely does good.
h. shaw - he finally had an opponent today instead of playing on nooone and look what happened.
thomas - he is very over confident, tries to be as good as he thinks he is and just cant.
clarke - did he even play today?
fraser - MM needs to turn him into a footballer.
reid- was good, good inclusion.
cloke - needs to stand up.
maxwell - leaves he's man far to much, he looks to be the third man in the contest( which he does a good job at) but leaves h'es man.
r . shaw- our best, shutdown judd.
johnson - doesnt do enough to be a midfielder.
swan - good as usual.
Thomas has been our best for the past month.
One bad match doesnt get you dropped.
I agree with the rest, but thomas isnt anywhere near dropping
Sorry I disagree with your point of view. Sure he looks like he's played well but he's butchered the ball far too often. Didn't see the game last week had an exam but had something like 66% kicking efficiency. Had a mate call him turn over central. The week before he was good but so was everyone. The coasters were insipid. Just seems he hasn't grabbed a game by the scruff of the neck lately.
He needs to work on the basics. He's got the icing, just needs a better cake.
Maybe you don't drop him but his game needs work.
I'm sorry, this is shit. There's no reason to forgive bone-headed mistakes just because he's "trying". He needs to learn that he's not a great kick at this stage, so he should not be trying fancy kicks that have almost no chance of coming off. It's detrimental to the team.
It's a very simple concept really - make the high % play. He chooses the flashy low % option way too often.
This is my exact thinking right here. Play the team game. Who cares if its predictable the idea is to allow Cloke or Reid or Medhurst to have a contest and back them to win the contest. As long as you get it in quick so its still a 1 on 1 or a 2 on 2.
Invigoration
16 Jun 2008, 00:33
todays game sucked, our players sucked.
O'brien - hack, the only time he could stop fev was when he dragged him back and gave away a free kick.
brown - overrated, sure he might be good but he holds no chance against fev, he rarely does good.
h. shaw - he finally had an opponent today instead of playing on nooone and look what happened.
thomas - he is very over confident, tries to be as good as he thinks he is and just cant.
clarke - did he even play today?
fraser - MM needs to turn him into a footballer.
reid- was good, good inclusion.
cloke - needs to stand up.
maxwell - leaves he's man far to much, he looks to be the third man in the contest( which he does a good job at) but leaves h'es man.
r . shaw- our best, shutdown judd.
johnson - doesnt do enough to be a midfielder.
swan - good as usual.
Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out
checker
16 Jun 2008, 00:35
Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out
that means....... ?
Don't get me wrong Reid played a good game today, but there were a few times when he just stood there when he could have tackled or laid a Sheppard. This is something he needs to work on, as well as his kicking and them I think he has the potential to be in our best 22. However I think this was the case for most of our players today!
Rather keep him in the side so he can learn this stuff. What the hell will he learn back in the VFL when they get pumped by 10 gaosl every week.
If i was Mick i would play Reid for the rest of the year, even when Rocca plays, a third tall forward might be a good idea, we played well with Rusling up there.
Who goes out? Drop Fraser and Leon let them have a rest, this way they get two weeks off.
Drop Maxwell because i have given up on him, bring back Goldsack.
Invigoration
16 Jun 2008, 02:02
that means....... ?
Pretty self explanatory I would have thought. To reiterate though;
O'brien - hack, the only time he could stop fev was when he dragged him back and gave away a free kick.
brown - overrated, sure he might be good but he holds no chance against fev, he rarely does good.
h. shaw - he finally had an opponent today instead of playing on nooone and look what happened.
thomas - he is very over confident, tries to be as good as he thinks he is and just cant.
clarke - did he even play today?
5 of our best under 22's, but in your mind it sounds like they should be playing in the Amateurs Div 4.
frantelle
16 Jun 2008, 02:22
Today's loss is directly related to our diabolically bad drafting from 1999 to 2005 as we have no good players in the 24-28 age bracket. This will cost us for at least another few years and even longer if the promise of the past few years drafting turns out to be a false dawn. And to my mind there are still question marks over all those recent draft picks from Pendleberry, Thomas through to Brown and Reid.
In fact Reid is a good example of why I am concerned. Moves very well and provides a target but what a dreadful kick. And being able to kick is arguably the most important attribute a forward, or any footballer for that matter, can have.
whilst ur right about kicking...kicking is a skill that is very easy to teach to a professional player
at least he gets the ball.....would rather he be a shit kick but get plenty of it then getting 4 great kicks per game
he is still young and getting used to afl tempo...not many players his age continue their brilliant skill from younger days
the hardest thing to teach an afl footballer is where to go and get the pill...fortunately for us that seems to be hardwired into him
frantelle
16 Jun 2008, 02:27
Rather keep him in the side so he can learn this stuff. What the hell will he learn back in the VFL when they get pumped by 10 gaosl every week.
If i was Mick i would play Reid for the rest of the year, even when Rocca plays, a third tall forward might be a good idea, we played well with Rusling up there.
Who goes out? Drop Fraser and Leon let them have a rest, this way they get two weeks off.
Drop Maxwell because i have given up on him, bring back Goldsack.
i think thats a good point
neon is no where near full fitness and its showing
if he can recover from his ankle in the next 2 weeks it will def. be worth it
fraser doesnt seem to be a footballers arsehole
has neone seen dodgeball? and that guy with the glasses who needs to get angry....this is what that lazy ____en douchebag needs
he has the potential, i no the 'P' word is a dirty word...but he has the potential to dominate a game, seems to be blessed with all the skill in the world but looks as if he is a watcher rather then a do-er
and i no do-er isnt a word but it makes my point
whilst i love our backline it hasnt seemed to be performing and money bags might just help with the rebound seeing as how shaw looks as if he is going to deal with a tag week in week out
btw guys is shaw gets tagged....accept the fact he wont get more then 10 disposals...its impossible for him too....if he does his job simply becomes to stop his opponent becoming dangerous
dave the man is going to get you back in a few years time.
lol, good use of collingwood bigfooty references!
imo, we had a bad week, we always do against carlton. However, we normally come back very strong after bad weeks, I don't think we'll see any changes...
however, in my perfect world
In: Wood
Out: Fraser (looked horrible today, and im praying he's injured)
brspdt201013
16 Jun 2008, 09:20
So who pays the price for that insipid, pathetic effort.
I say Thomas, Brown (needs a rest) and Wellingham.
Ins, Illes, McAffer (off the rookie list), Cook (or cox).
We dropped Marty Clarke early on, and he is now going well, it's time for Thommo to have a run in the 2's.
Jesus Christ..... Thomas has played very very well over the last month. He has 1 game that isn't has good....... Mind you he was alot better that most on Sunday and you want him dropped!!!!!!!! Give him a break!!!!!!!!
sydjackson
16 Jun 2008, 09:50
I wouldn't drop anyone unless Rocca was ready.
I'd say go out and make immense for what you dished up today because you're better than that.
Unfortunately I just wonder if anything will even be said about it because it seems these days that players and coaches move on to next week straight away instead of hurting about the crap they dished up and are left to get themselves up for each game.
Confident though that we'll serve something good up next week because that seems the way with Collingwood.
Lift Pies.
I have been trying to work that one out for about half an hour!
A classic!
Palmer Stoat
16 Jun 2008, 09:51
Jesus Christ..... Thomas has played very very well over the last month. He has 1 game that isn't has good....... Mind you he was alot better that most on Sunday and you want him dropped!!!!!!!! Give him a break!!!!!!!!
Agreed. We play a shocker and some people want to drop our kids. Mindboggling.
IMO if you're gonna swing the axe (and MM won't), there ought to be a LOT of heads lopped off before you get to Dale Thomas.
Agreed. We play a shocker and some people want to drop our kids. Mindboggling.
IMO if you're gonna swing the axe (and MM won't), there ought to be a LOT of heads lopped off before you get to Dale Thomas.
It shows you how little many of the posters on our board know about football. Just because a player dissapointed them in a game they want them dropped.
Daisy played nearly the entire game as a small forward in a team that generally got belted in the midfield. He did try to do a few flashy things that I'm sure he'll regret but his form recently had been good.
hermerl
16 Jun 2008, 10:39
Re: Thomas - you ungrateful bunch of bastards.
He's one of the few that provided some spark and enthusiasm in an otherwise pedestrian performance. He runs, he tries to fly and he has a crack at the flashy stuff because that's how he plays. Two weeks ago he's being lauded for his style and flair - this week it doesn't pay off and you're calling for his head.
FFS, dropping and cutting players from the team is not 'sending a message'. It's just disruptive and petty unless there's some tangible benefit.
Wood is still not playing at Fraser's level, so he stays in the 2s to hone his craft some more.
Wellingham needs more time, not less. If he's brought in occassionally, how does he get a good feel for the game at the top level? He'd suffer from Iles Syndrome if you did that to him.
Brown himself said he's feeling as fresh as a daisy, and if you watched him throw himself around today he'd be proven right. Mick's not speaking crap when he says that 'they'll learn' from today - Brownie needs to work out what he can/can't get away with as a defender (in a now-overly officiated game) and he needs each week to practice these skills.
Is it possible that we can lose a game and then just learn and move on rather than behaving like petulant middle-managers?!?
Great post
So who pays the price for that insipid, pathetic effort.
I say Thomas, Brown (needs a rest) and Wellingham.
Ins, Illes, McAffer (off the rookie list), Cook (or cox).
We dropped Marty Clarke early on, and he is now going well, it's time for Thommo to have a run in the 2's.
Thomas, brown and wellingham are allright.
I would drop peahearts like fraser and johnson first.
These two blokes are as weak as piss.
Johnson#26
16 Jun 2008, 12:20
Reid never gonna make it no heart and very poor when he doesnt have the ball
Yep yep yep.
:rolleyes:Srsly.
thatday
16 Jun 2008, 12:49
imo, we had a bad week, we always do against carlton. However, we normally come back very strong after bad weeks, I don't think we'll see any changes...
Last time we lost to the Blues we got beaten by North the next week.
checker
16 Jun 2008, 12:54
5 of our best under 22's, but in your mind it sounds like they should be playing in the Amateurs Div 4.
sorry i didnt know these 5 werent allowed to be put down.maybe thats the the problem with collingwood.
Chase the Ace
16 Jun 2008, 13:13
I blame Eddie :rolleyes:
Optimax
16 Jun 2008, 13:13
Last time we lost to the Blues we got beaten by North the next week.
you could say we had that game won, until complacency a shit bounce and an errant hand pass though.
Not overly confident for the dog though, will be a hard game
thatday
16 Jun 2008, 13:15
you could say we had that game won, until complacency a shit bounce and an errant hand pass though.
Not overly confident for the dog though, will be a hard game
Mmm, yet another fun game to be at that one lol.
If Didak had of kicked straight.............ahh well. Shit happens.
checker
16 Jun 2008, 15:13
i blame MM's lack of big decision making.
he will never drop players like johnson, fraser, o'brien, thomas, rocca, etc.no matter how bad they play some weeks he will continue to drag the team down because he just wont drop he's favourites.
Chase the Ace
16 Jun 2008, 15:18
i blame MM's lack of big decision making.
he will never drop players like johnson, fraser, o'brien, thomas, rocca, etc.no matter how bad they play some weeks he will continue to drag the team down because he just wont drop he's favourites.
Sack him :mad: and get .................. hang on.................. umm......errr .......... someone else
Snag Breac
16 Jun 2008, 15:27
I blame Strauchnie for not being match-ready. And Christy Malthouse for getting pregnant and distracting her father.
But it's not going to make a blind bit of difference.
So how tough are those Western Bulldogs anyway?
Chase the Ace
16 Jun 2008, 15:31
I blame Strauchnie for not being match-ready. And Christy Malthouse for getting pregnant and distracting her father.
But it's not going to make a blind bit of difference.
So how tough are those Western Bulldogs anyway?
Yeah, them Doggies will be a tough one.
We will need to bring our Cats/Weagles game to the table, me thinks
shawthing09
16 Jun 2008, 15:38
I don't think there is a need for wholesale changes just on the back of yesterdays game. I do however think that
Johnson and Maxwell who have been poor more often then they have been good all year, and even when good have been more on the average side are treading on thin ice.
Thomas is not yet worthy of the axe but is not yet safe either he had a poor start had a few good games and was poor again for the first time yesterday. If he continues to play the way he did yesteday which i doubt he will then he is deffinatly looking at some magoo's time.
Fraser is the other one if he is injured he shouldn play and if he is fit he should not play like that. One way or the other Bryan is our best preformed ruck in the ones at the moment and that is a massive problem