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Ruddiger
15 Jun 2008, 22:11
A sad thought is that 5 years ago to the day this match happened, with a match winner kicking 5 goals in a half:
http://finalsiren.com/MatchDetails.asp?GameID=1667&Code=0f442a3cbec34e040fe7a27496012ec5
Judd has been responsible for getting Carlton over the line in 4 matches this year (Collingwood twice, Port and Freo).
Kerr, Priddis and Cox need another star mid-fielder. Who has the most potential?
Nicoski is starting to get his touch back and will be dangerous again in time.
I was pleased with his game and attack on the ball on fri night.
Eagle87
15 Jun 2008, 22:56
A sad thought is that 5 years ago to the day this match happened, with a match winner kicking 5 goals in a half:
http://finalsiren.com/MatchDetails.asp?GameID=1667&Code=0f442a3cbec34e040fe7a27496012ec5
Judd has been responsible for getting Carlton over the line in 4 matches this year (Collingwood twice, Port and Freo).
Kerr, Priddis and Cox need another star mid-fielder. Who has the most potential?
Rich & Natanui :D
...and for the record, Priddis is the odd man out in your list (by a large margin!)
Black JuJu
15 Jun 2008, 22:56
A match winner required..
Crimson King
15 Jun 2008, 22:59
Staker and Seaby fit the description.
What do you say, JuJu?
Black JuJu
15 Jun 2008, 23:01
We could use the money we get from the glue factory for them to buy a shiney new match winner from somewhere else.
A match winner required..
Actually this is true.
I wouldnt call Kerr a matchwinner to be honest. He is good but hasnt won us a game off his own boot.
Cox is a gun and is a matchwinner but these 2 cant do it all.
Eagle87
15 Jun 2008, 23:06
Actually this is true.
I wouldnt call Kerr a matchwinner to be honest. He is good but hasnt won us a game off his own boot.
Cox is a gun and is a matchwinner but these 2 cant do it all.
Go and check the game v Geelong at Skilled in 2006.....
Also perhaps have a look at Sydney in round 1 of 2007.
Kerr is a matchwinner.
mitchzz
15 Jun 2008, 23:15
None of our players are Rich. :D
Go and check the game v Geelong at Skilled in 2006.....
Also perhaps have a look at Sydney in round 1 of 2007.
Kerr is a matchwinner.
yeah true but those game she had either Juddy or Cuzz to help but he still walked the walk.
Only thing with Kerr is his unfortunate ability to have brain explosions which takes some of the shine off his good performances in my book.
Go and check the game v Geelong at Skilled in 2006.....
Also perhaps have a look at Sydney in round 1 of 2007.
Kerr is a matchwinner.
yeah, kerr most def is a match winner, coxy to, a couple of kids could well develop into match winners also, but they are obviously too young atm.
bigburger
15 Jun 2008, 23:23
Go and check the game v Geelong at Skilled in 2006.....
Also perhaps have a look at Sydney in round 1 of 2007.
Kerr is a matchwinner.
And the 2005 Grand Final. He had about 15 of his 20 touches for the game in the second half and was playing with a broken foot.
Superstar is the word i'd use.
Its a shame Kerr got injured in that RIDICULOUS Dream team game!
He would be very handy helping out.
Crimson King
15 Jun 2008, 23:27
So its settled then?
Kerr is the #1 midfielder going around in the game.
End the thread Darth.:thumbsu:
:D
So its settled then?
Kerr is the #1 midfielder going around in the game.
End the thread Darth.:thumbsu:
:D
Hmmmmm.... rose coloured glasses?
Crimson King
16 Jun 2008, 00:02
Sarcasm, Cuzzy.:thumbsu:
Eagle Ant
16 Jun 2008, 00:02
I dont think we have a EXTRA match winner on our list yet!
Masten, Ebert, Houlihan all have the potentual to be match winners.
Scooter, Arrowsmith, Mcginnity have yet to really be tried.
McKinley, Lecras, Lynch, Kennedy, Hansen have yet to really fire as a forward line. When they do however LOOK OUT it will be Blinding:D
You wont find a match winner from Defence( in the classic term Match winner) and dont Quote me about Leo Barry's 2005 mark as I have erased that from the memory bank!
So unless we trade for a player like F.Ray, B.Prismall, L.Franklin or any other player of this calibre then we will have to draft and hope that our mids from this year eventually make that step.:cool:
Sarcasm, Cuzzy.:thumbsu:
yeah I know :p
Houlihan reminds me of Adkins ;)
..and for the record, Priddis is the odd man out in your list (by a large margin!)
Relentless :)
Total_Juddshanks
16 Jun 2008, 02:11
Agree strongly with OP.
Its not so much of an issue at the moment, but the difference between decent sides and genuine contender sides is often the number of outright gamechanging stars they have. If you look at our 05/06 finals campaigns, we played off in GFs simply because noone was capable of preventing all of Cousins, Judd, Kerr, Cox and Hunter from firing up and having a huge quarter at any one time.
Watching the Hawthorn/Adelaide game last week was imo a dry run of a serious finals game this season, and a clear sign of why Hawthorn is going to be a real contender- with their best player shut down, Roughhead bobbed up, and then when the chips were down suddenly Hodge played a huge quarter.
As the youngster improve across the board I reckon we'll be back in the finals race as soon as next year, but with our current list I worry we may not have enough genuine stars to seriously contend once we do start to get up the top of the ladder- whether its Rich or whoever else, that's why we need a good draft this year.
eagles06
16 Jun 2008, 09:40
Actually this is true.
I wouldnt call Kerr a matchwinner to be honest. He is good but hasnt won us a game off his own boot.
Cox is a gun and is a matchwinner but these 2 cant do it all.
Round 1 last year too making that amazing tackle. Judd could'nt have done that, he would just have been running the other way.:p
Round 1 last year too making that amazing tackle. Judd could'nt have done that, he would just have been running the other way.:p
Yeah as Eagle87 reminded me - that game he was awesome.
I was thinking along the lines of a matchwinner as in someone who can single handedly rip the game from the other team.
Buddy Franklin, Fev, Brown/Bradshaw, Pav (when he's firing) but as we know not all teams have supreme power forwards.
Im not having a go at Kerr Im just saying midfielders contribute to winning but they dont actually destroy teams.
Cerpin Taxt
16 Jun 2008, 11:36
I guess it comes down to the definition of match winner. If Kerr had played on Friday night, would we have won? I think so. Earlier in the season when we quickly blooded all the rookies, Kerr was forced to do it all alone. In a short space of time, these guys have already found their feet and deserve their spot in the 22 (I speak of Masten and Ebert specifically, McNamara went a long way to proving himself on Friday too). Kerr's game last week proves this.
The continued development of these guys will allow Kerr to again become a match-winner. All the dynamic match-winning midfielders in the game are surrounded by a very strong supporting staff.
Goodes at Sydney, surrounded by Kirk, McVeigh, Buchanon, Ablett, Bolton, Jack etc in the midfield. These guys aren't match-winners, but they do their job.
Ablett at Geelong, surrounded by Bartel, Corey, Enright, Ling, Kelly. Again, these guys aren't match-winners. You could make a case for Bartel, but what I specifically mean is they don't break games open with freakish talent.
I can see the same thing developing at West Coast. Ebert and Masten will both become A-grade midfielders, and in time maybe match-winners. But they currently don't show signs of breaking a game open. Add them to A.Selwood, Stenglein, Waters, and potentially S.Selwood, McNamara, Houlihan and I think there's a similar pattern of hard-working players that will perform their role week-in week-out. With those guys at worst breaking even, Kerr is free to become a match-winner again.
One guy I specifically didn't mention was Hurn. At the moment he fits into the above group, but he has the potential to become a match-winner. Most of the guys in that upper echelon have one particular skill or capability which puts them ahead of the field. Hurn's boot could lift him into that class if he gets the ball more, and in a few more dangerous places.
Up forward, Kennedy has the potential. A couple of our "good" quarters early in the year were sparked by his marking ability across half-forward. If he can start marking it a bit more often and converting them into goals, he's a chance. McKinley - no. I'm not writing him off, but the game is dominated by taller and taller players. He's had a great start and will hopefully have a good future, but not as a match-winner. By definition I'd think Hunter is the best we have in that he has an ability to lift at crucial times and pull in some great marks.
larrikin
16 Jun 2008, 12:48
Tony Notte.
Let's hope so
Masten2McKinley
16 Jun 2008, 13:48
A match winner required..
what do you call kerr and cox dumb ass
Masten2McKinley
16 Jun 2008, 13:49
i think Hurn could step up to be a match winner
This draft will have a lot of gun matchwinners. Rich is definately a match winner. Yarran cuold be one as well. we need to take a few risks with this draft and pick some match winners to complement our side - our structure for the future is almost complete we just need that cream. Hopefully someone like Swift slides to Pick 18 or we try get another first round pick via trade and snatch someone like Yarran.
Dream draft of match winners Pick 2 Rich, Pick 18 Swift, Pick 20 Walters :)
From our current squad of young players Masten, Ebert, Kennedy, McKinley, Lecras and possibly Hurn could be all be that 'cream' potentially.
WCFaithful
16 Jun 2008, 14:14
give cousins his jumper back
Strider83
16 Jun 2008, 15:44
When our midfield is up and running again I think Lecras could be our matchwinner up forward...I think what you really need is a matchwinner in every part of the ground. Up forward, in the middle, and down back. I'd say Daniel Chick was quite the match winner cos he prevented OTHER match winners from firing, or cutting them down. So at the end of the day all you need is a team of players who are well drilled in their positions and know how to play together as a team.