Talking points

[HawkFan15]

Just thought I'd throw up some talking points that have come up over the past month.

1. With our injuries, will we ever get a full strength or close to full strength line-up onto the field?

2. Can we compete in finals with Geelong/Sydney and Bulldogs without our full team and who can we least afford to loose personel wise?

3. Is Tim Boyle having trouble fitting into the foward line and can we play Williams and Boyle in the same foward line?

4. Will Tom Murphy make it as an AFL player and does he have a spot in our team going foward?

5. If you could only have 2 of the following in your best 22 which would you have? Tuck/Ellis/Morton/Clarke/Kennedy/McGlynn


My thoughts.

1. I think we'll always be missing a couple but hopefully come finals we have crawford/croad and sewell all back in the team.

2. No I dont think we can match those teams with quality midfielders and key backs out. Personell wise we can't afford to loose Croad/Franklin or Hodge, also loosing sewell or roughead would be disasterous.

3. Especially with osborne and rioli coming on this year and willo playing more as a crumber and assist man than a lead up foward, I see no reason boyle can't be the third tall and i'd even go a step further and play robbie campbell up foward alot more.

4. I'm still not convinced.

5. Ellis and Tuck i'd take. McGlynn and Morton would be close.

[philhawk]

Good thread.

1) We'll probably get there, but not before Round ... 16?

Remember, there's a split round soon.

2) We can definitely compete with them, particularly if we get our full team back. The more I see our structure, the more I feel we can't afford to lose Roughie.

Buddy is a magnificent player, but it seems like on the rare occasion that he fails, Roughie seems to step up magnificently. With Roughie out, Franklin would just get quadruple-teamed into submission.

3) Yep, he's struggling big time.

4) Definitely. I actually thought he was good yesterday

5) Ellis and McGlynn

[HawkFan15]

I think the bulldogs game for me confirmed in relation to q2, that without guys like hodge/mitchell/sewell/bateman/crawford, if we loose 2 or 3 of those some sides will definatley expose us, and also if we ran into a brisbane we couldn't afford to loose croad.

I think Roughie has become one of those guys that Hawthorn supporters rate highly but externally other supporters probably only rate him as having as good a season as a Tredrae. Roughies 1 percenters are just off the chain at the moment. I think we could afford to loose roughie but not franklin just because roughead at the moment doesn't get double and triple teamed and would if franklin was out, but with roughead out franklin wouldn't come under that much more attention.

Murphy looks good at times, but sometimes his kicking and decision making lets him down and he does get goals kicked on him and struggles alot of times, but most of those times it is when he is playing on some of the best medium fowards in the league so it is hard to judge.

[Gary Shadforth]

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1. No! Our fiece physical style of play will see injuries (in particular soft tissue) prevailing. Mind you, all other 15 teams are in the same boat even if some do not compete physically hard as ours does.

2. The Bulldogs are most likely the team we would prefer to be at near full strength. Our depth can serve us well against Geelong and Sydney.

3. Yes.

4. Murph will need to lift his standards with so much talent competeing for a spot.

5. Morton / Ellis. However, X will need to sharpen up on his decision making. Against Adelaide he was found wanting when the pace of play was very hectic.

[hawkz]

1. A bit hard with the soft tissure injuries. I hope we get CLOSE to full strengh for Geelong match and FULL strength during finals. (fingers crossed)

2. I think we can but it will be a scrappy match like against Adelaide. We CANNOT lose Buddy's presecence, Mitchell hard ball gets, Hodge's leadership, Bateman's pace, Campbell browns hardness, R.Campbells ruck and around the ground abilities.

3. I think Boyle should stay in the team untill he is forced out with injuries coming back. You can tell last few weeks Williams has had a new role going around the midfield which he has done OK so far. Will only improve both of them :thumbsu:

4. I don't think he can, but at the same time i hope he proves me wrong :)

5. Tough one, ill say Ellis and Tuck

[wallyt99]

1. We will be full strength.....just not sure what that is yet.

2. Any team would struggle without their best 22 - Hodge, Franklin, Sammy, Roughead, Guerra C. Brown and Sewell all VERY important guys we need on the park.

3. Tim Boyle is struggling.....there is always gonna be room for a good third tall.....but he aint it at the moment.

4. I think he can definately make it as an AFL player....but may be trade bait (melbourne?) as I can't see him getting into our best 25 any time soon.

5. Hmmmm.....Morton and Tuck. I like Ellis (that 35 metre handball last night was awesome), but I think he needs some Roids or something! ;).

[Mervyn Beasley]

[quote=HawkFan15;11389662]Just thought I'd throw up some talking points that have come up over the past month.

1. With our injuries, will we ever get a full strength or close to full strength line-up onto the field?

2. Can we compete in finals with Geelong/Sydney and Bulldogs without our full team and who can we least afford to loose personel wise?

3. Is Tim Boyle having trouble fitting into the foward line and can we play Williams and Boyle in the same foward line?

4. Will Tom Murphy make it as an AFL player and does he have a spot in our team going foward?

5. If you could only have 2 of the following in your best 22 which would you have? Tuck/Ellis/Morton/Clarke/Kennedy/McGlynn

1. God I hope so. Like to think that by Rnd 22 we will have at least 22 of our best 25 avail.
2. We will need to be, as I said, at least close to full strength to compete come finals time. Midfield in particular will need to be at full strength. Defence the same. I am amazed at how much we miss/ed Gu and Dew. Obv need Budd and Rough fit and firing.
3. We can play Willo and Boyle in same fwd line, however will not miss Boyle if he goes down. Willo far more likely to play a cameo I think.
4. Murphy can make it as a player, but maybe not a long career at the one club. Not in our best 22 now, but might be in a couple of years if he improves 10+%.
5. I think Tuck Ellis and McGlynn are in our best 22 so I'm taking 3!!!

[Hedgehodgy]

1. With our injuries, will we ever get a full strength or close to full strength line-up onto the field?

2. Can we compete in finals with Geelong/Sydney and Bulldogs without our full team and who can we least afford to loose personel wise?

3. Is Tim Boyle having trouble fitting into the foward line and can we play Williams and Boyle in the same foward line?

4. Will Tom Murphy make it as an AFL player and does he have a spot in our team going foward?

5. If you could only have 2 of the following in your best 22 which would you have? Tuck/Ellis/Morton/Clarke/Kennedy/McGlynn


1. Probably not but not many teams do. From who is out I hope we get Croad, Bateman, Sewell and Crawford back in the side and firing.

2. Absolutely. If the question is we have full strength team and one player goes down who cant that player be then Buddy is the obvious choice. Takes alot of pressure of the rest of the forward line. Team at the moment cant afford Hodge to go down as we are already missing key mids.

3. Struggling, hopefully can work his way into form.

4. Murphy showed good signs early in the year. Can make it, needs to perform consistantly as his position is one that is still up for grabs.

5. Ellis/Morton, McGlynn unlucky

[Buddy and the Hawk]

1. Need Croady back, Crawf, Guerra, Sewell, Taylor will all hopefully be handy inclusions soon. Should hopefully be full strength come finals.

2. Croad most important, then Hodgey, then Buddy. Need these 3 to compete against top teams.

3. Boyle will be fine, has to get more ball around the 60/70 metre out area and just put it to the square. Anywhere from 65 out he could also have s shot. One of our best kicks for goal. I like willo playing up the field.

4. Murphy is needed because he is a bigish type of back, we don't have many.

5.Ellis and Tuck. Ellis has really stood up and I'm a massive fan of Tuck, good depth to have though.

[hawka4eva]

(1)While injuries suck, there happening now and not round 20, bateman, goo,croad,sewell &crawf will be back before the geelong game. Injuries are better now than finals time, anyway we are still winning minus them.
(2) Boyler is a decoy for buddy and rough, willo pushes up the ground sometimes as does bud, i like boyle in team, he straitens us up, he's to good to leave alone and he take another tall defender away from buddy or rough, although if thorpy gets fit,IF! He may take his spot although o think he'll be a gun CHB.
(3)I think we can but not w/o sewell, croad are the most important in's for us against them in terms of personell they've got. i still think they got bigger match up probs against us, bolton cant play buddy and milburn or mackie cant play rough he's to big. we'll be right.
(4)Murphy to stay in as he is composed and we could use another tall down there. also good for mid range type players like Steve J or nick davis. Keep him in.
(5) Ellis and McGlynn, Ellis is another classy disposer of the ball down back and MM provides grunt and toughness in the guts.

[detox]

Just thought I'd throw up some talking points that have come up over the past month.

1. With our injuries, will we ever get a full strength or close to full strength line-up onto the field?

2. Can we compete in finals with Geelong/Sydney and Bulldogs without our full team and who can we least afford to loose personel wise?

3. Is Tim Boyle having trouble fitting into the foward line and can we play Williams and Boyle in the same foward line?

4. Will Tom Murphy make it as an AFL player and does he have a spot in our team going foward?

5. If you could only have 2 of the following in your best 22 which would you have? Tuck/Ellis/Morton/Clarke/Kennedy/McGlynn



1: As bad as our injuries are, they are happening at the right time. We are 11 -1. That is a DREAM start considering who we have had out at times. Im confident that we will have our best out there come the end of the year, and when we do we will be a tough team to stop.

2: I am confident they will all be out there.

3: Boyle is not going to get alot of it as he is playing the decoy 3rd tall option. When Willo was playing the same role he struggled at time as well. Now i think the focus is to have Willo a floating HFF and Boyle as a decoy to draw leads away from the others. In saying that he needs to assert himself a bit more and lead up if need be.

4: Yeah i think he will in time. He was good on the weekend

5: Tuck, Ellis.

[Kebab]

Just thought I'd throw up some talking points that have come up over the past month.

1. With our injuries, will we ever get a full strength or close to full strength line-up onto the field?

2. Can we compete in finals with Geelong/Sydney and Bulldogs without our full team and who can we least afford to loose personel wise?

3. Is Tim Boyle having trouble fitting into the foward line and can we play Williams and Boyle in the same foward line?

4. Will Tom Murphy make it as an AFL player and does he have a spot in our team going foward?

5. If you could only have 2 of the following in your best 22 which would you have? Tuck/Ellis/Morton/Clarke/Kennedy/McGlynn

1. Impossible to say. But you would hope so. Hopefully for the Geelong game, but not necessarily for that game in particular, but I think all the players will need about 4-5 games before finals to get them back to match fitness...

2. Any undermanned team will be found out in finals against good opposition. Hawthorn included. We need our best 22-23 players ready to go come September. Who can we not do without, again hard to say, but I would as I have for the last few years, go with Croad. He is not our best player, but he is our most important

3. Is Boyle having trouble, yes, obviously. Is he still the best third tall option in our forward line, yes, definately. Both he & Williams are in our current best 22

4. Have never been convinced about Tom Murphy. Nothing I have seen has said he is ready to take the next level, however, nothing I have seen says he will not make it. Patience is needed here...

5. Ellis easily, Tuck second, with McGlynn next in line at the moment. Remember Tuck was played early (and played well before his injury - which mind you was only a minor injury, however 10 weeks later.....) before any of these other players even got a look in. He is a step above. McGlynn i think will make way for Morton/Kennedy over the next 12 months.

[Scream]

Another talking point should be our first Quarters! We are really struggling to get into the game in the first quarter, its a trend that has been there throughout most of the season to date. Esp on the weekend!, Adelaide had 15 points on the board before we had even had a clear possesion. It is a big issue, I know we are finishing off games really well, but if we want to succeed against some of the top finals sides, then its an area that needs to looked at urgently!

[markr]

1. Who knows? I obviously hope so, but then every week we seem to lose yet another player.

2. You can cover injuries within reason, but we'll have to be at our best to win finals against the top sides, and that means having our best players on the paddock. Least afford to lose? Franklin is obviously key, although it's funny in a way, sometimes you think we might do okay without him because we wouldn't constantly kick it to him when he's outnumbered 3-1. No Croad against Brisbane would be tough, but Robbie could play on him if necessary. Hodge is the man I want fit and firing at the end of the year.

3. I think he's doing okay but we're not kicking it to him. If we aren't going to go to him perhaps we should just play another mid-fielder.

4. Who else do we have if Gilham or Croad go down? He's been okay, and frankly is the only tallish defender we have in reserve.

5. Ellis and Tuck. Tuck was superb before his injury, Morton has been developing nicely in his last few games but at this point I still have Tuck ahead of him for his hardness. McGlynn needs to seriously tidy up his disposal, Kennedy needs another pre-season to work on his fitness.

[hawks_time]

Just on 3. I think Boyle is copping a lot of flack. The coaching staff have confidence in him and don't forget that just because he isn't getting a lot of the pill doesn't mean he's not helping Buddy or Roughy or Willo. Just needs a couple more weeks I reckon. Look at Youngy, he's been average last couple of games but seems to be bringing his form back.

[Hawk-in-syd]

1. With our injuries, will we ever get a full strength or close to full
strength line-up onto the field?
God I hope so. You don't see teams win the flag without a near full strength side. These hammys are a worry. Is it all the extra running because we've had to cover for injuries with kids that can't play full 4qrts?

2. Can we compete in finals with Geelong/Sydney and Bulldogs without our full team and who can we least afford to loose personel wise?
We can compete but will struggle. All teams would struggle missing as many midfielders. At this stage Hodge and Bob(if Taylor was out)

3. Is Tim Boyle having trouble fitting into the foward line and can we play Williams and Boyle in the same foward line?
It's just not kicked to him. But I think he may be following the coaches instructions to stay out wide. Needs to work on his defensive side. I think we can have both. Maybe if buddy misses It could be a blessing is disguise and we may start kicking a few his way and get him back in form.

4. Will Tom Murphy make it as an AFL player and does he have a spot in our team going foward?
I think so but I'm not 100% convinced yet. Not big enough for KKP. Had a good game againts the crows

5. If you could only have 2 of the following in your best 22 which would you have? Tuck/Ellis/Morton/Clarke/Kennedy/McGlynn

Down to form and matchups between Tuck/Ellis/Morton/McGlynn
Tuck was great at the start of the year. Ellis has been steady, morton getting better each game and McGlynn provides plenty of run and hardness. At their best I'd have Tuck and McGlynn