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forever green
16 Jun 2008, 13:33
I want to know how good is this kid...
Bourky23
16 Jun 2008, 13:40
will go pick 2, 3 or 4.. I don't see him slipping past Essendon, Fremantle or West Coast's picks.. the team out of those 3 with the first pick are a 95% chance to pick him and if they go for someone else (Hurley) then he'll go to the next mob on the list
Masten2McKinley
16 Jun 2008, 15:19
pick 2 imo
Ryder Is God
16 Jun 2008, 15:32
The question is, would Melbourne take Watts over Naitanui or Rich?
They need a KPF.
delirious1
16 Jun 2008, 15:34
Definatly second, Mature body so hes ready to be out on the park, is not only just in the subiaco side but hes contributing, once he gets into league footy and doesnt suffer a tag for another 1-2 years he will be a gun.
P.S-I rate him higher then Naitanui. seen both of them play. Ild take Rich over naitanui
Demonheart
16 Jun 2008, 16:06
The question is, would Melbourne take Watts over Naitanui or Rich?
They need a KPF.
With a top 3 pick you always go for best available, not who suits you more, so I'd imagine (or at least hope) that our new recruiting guru will go for whoever he thinks is the best kid regardless of position.
But to play the game it would be interesting to see the decision made between Watt and Hurley. At early stages Hurley would be fav but Watt is gaining momentum.
Playing well for Subi in the WAFL. Kicked 4 goals to be one of Subi's best on the weekend in their demolition of east freo. But seems to be struggling with a tag in the under 18's for WA.
bomber69
16 Jun 2008, 19:46
With a top 3 pick you always go for best available, not who suits you more, so I'd imagine (or at least hope) that our new recruiting guru will go for whoever he thinks is the best kid regardless of position.
But to play the game it would be interesting to see the decision made between Watt and Hurley. At early stages Hurley would be fav but Watt is gaining momentum.
No, they dont. Even this year, Carlton took Kreuzer over Cotchin who was regarded as the best talent (just by a nose) because they were in need of a ruck.
marcmurphy3
16 Jun 2008, 20:21
No, they dont. Even this year, Carlton took Kreuzer over Cotchin who was regarded as the best tallent (just by a nose) because they were in need of a ruck.
Not really. Thats was just the idiots on bigfooty trying to rip into Carlton.
Clubs pick best available with top picks. The player considered best available will go pick 1 whether he be a mid, forward, back or ruck.
Masten2McKinley
16 Jun 2008, 20:45
The question is, would Melbourne take Watts over Naitanui or Rich?
They need a KPF.
NitNat will go number 1, and rich number 2,
no one will give up NitNat
delirious1
16 Jun 2008, 20:49
Not really. Thats was just the idiots on bigfooty trying to rip into Carlton.
Keep telling yourself that and it might come true?
Cotchin was the best "player" to pick from, not saying kruezer is in ANY way a bad pick, but carlton needed a good ruckman rather then a good mid.
bLuEbOy1984
16 Jun 2008, 21:09
Keep telling yourself that and it might come true?
Cotchin was the best "player" to pick from, not saying kruezer is in ANY way a bad pick, but carlton needed a good ruckman rather then a good mid.
you know because you where their when the blues discussed who was the BEST player in the draft
delirious1
17 Jun 2008, 14:15
you know because you where their when the blues discussed who was the BEST player in the draft
No, but it was pretty bloody obvious who was the best talent in the draft was, and the other kid who was going to go Number 1.
as i've said kruezer is a VERY good talent, But it is a wide known fact Cotchin was the pick of the bunch.
daddy_4_eyes
17 Jun 2008, 14:37
you know because you where their when the blues discussed who was the BEST player in the draft
A number of recruiters testified that Cotchin was the best player of the draft and had a rare kicking ability, right up there with Hodge & Johnstone.
That's not taking anything away from Kreuzer, who is a huge talent himself. Came down to what the #1 draft pick holder needed.
NitNat will go number 1, and rich number 2,
no one will give up NitNat
i think if freo had pick 1, they would go for rich.
DCFCFAN84
17 Jun 2008, 22:28
He will go number 2 IMO however he is the most talented player in this draft and the most ready to start round 1 2009.
Keep telling yourself that and it might come true?
Cotchin was the best "player" to pick from, not saying kruezer is in ANY way a bad pick, but carlton needed a good ruckman rather then a good mid.
You can absolutely put it in the bank that Wayne Hughes and his team believed that Kreuzer was the best available player to pick from. If they believed that Cotchin was superior he'd be in navy blue.
jocko99
18 Jun 2008, 18:21
in the interveiw brett ratten said we picked kruezer because he was the best player in the draft, heard it with my own ears but i think cotchin will turn out to be a brownlow medallist and an allround better player the kruezer
melbourne150
18 Jun 2008, 18:57
I thought this thread was about Rich not Cothcin and Kreuzer.....
Tarquin
18 Jun 2008, 18:59
I thought this thread was about Rich not Cothcin and Kreuzer.....
Every thread is about bloody cotchin, I think he is overrated massively on these BF boards.
carlton 4ever
18 Jun 2008, 20:02
Every thread is about bloody cotchin, I think he is overrated massively on these BF boards.
agreed no doubt he will be good but he gets treated like the next ablett or judd somthing which he hasnt shown any signs of doing
subanwallan
18 Jun 2008, 21:53
r u 2 carlton supporters madd!!!??? i hate watching richmond but Cotchin is a young star and i just cant turn away from watching it he will win a brownlow maybe 2??
Armitage2Riewoldt
18 Jun 2008, 22:10
Blues woulda been idiotic to take Cotchin over Krezuer, as if they need another mid!
I can't say (and I dont think many of us can) who is better, it's not like you can even compare them, they're different players with different roles, and I think both sides will be happy with who they took.
On Rich, wouldn't have a flamin clue, just goin on what everyone else says, whos probly goin on what everyone else says whos probs one guy whos seen him play once. :P
beatlesmith
19 Jun 2008, 01:09
if melbourne get warnock, then they will get watts. If we finish 15th, we will have a decision out of nick nat and rich. Naitanui is a far more risky bet as he could either be an absolute superstar or a disappointment (see j.brennan). Rich on the other hand is an easy bet, as he is more ready for afl and is more refined. We probably need rich more. If Naitanui can prove he can play as a mid, not just as a ruckman then i think we should get him. Naitanui being mentored by dean cox would be a scary proposition. Naitanui has the pace and agility of a small mid, bone crushing tackling, and can leap over buildings, meaning he has the potential to play at other KP positions. If Naitanui can work on and improve his skills, then we should take him
melbourne150
19 Jun 2008, 03:41
if melbourne get warnock, then they will get watts. If we finish 15th, we will have a decision out of nick nat and rich. Naitanui is a far more risky bet as he could either be an absolute superstar or a disappointment (see j.brennan). Rich on the other hand is an easy bet, as he is more ready for afl and is more refined. We probably need rich more. If Naitanui can prove he can play as a mid, not just as a ruckman then i think we should get him. Naitanui being mentored by dean cox would be a scary proposition. Naitanui has the pace and agility of a small mid, bone crushing tackling, and can leap over buildings, meaning he has the potential to play at other KP positions. If Naitanui can work on and improve his skills, then we should take him
We would still take Naita.... And Jack Watts is severley over rated on BF, There is no way he will go at number #1...
DTHitman
19 Jun 2008, 10:58
West Coast will take Rich before anyone in the draft 100% sure
agreed no doubt he will be good but he gets treated like the next ablett or judd somthing which he hasnt shown any signs of doing
You guys would take him in a second. Twice as good as squibbs.
DTHitman
19 Jun 2008, 11:49
Palmer has shown more then Cotchin
and Masten will be better then Cotchin in 5 years time...
Kernel Sanders
19 Jun 2008, 12:41
Palmer has shown more then Cotchin
and Masten will be better then Cotchin in 5 years time...
Just curious, what makes you say that about Masten?
davemills
19 Jun 2008, 14:12
you know because you where their when the blues discussed who was the BEST player in the draft
I saw him at the discussion table, at that time, don't worry.
Palmer has shown more then Cotchin
and Masten will be better then Cotchin in 5 years time...
Palmer is 12 months older than Cotchin and hasn't got anywhere near the tricks and skills that Cotchin has.
davemills
19 Jun 2008, 14:33
No, but it was pretty bloody obvious who was the best talent in the draft was, and the other kid who was going to go Number 1.
as i've said kruezer is a VERY good talent, But it is a wide known fact Cotchin was the pick of the bunch.
As a tiges fan who tries to keep a pretty good feel on the pulse...here is my opinion for what it's worth.
Regarding the pick of the bunch, when I watched the young hawk dynamo Rioli strut his stuff against the Tiges. Cotchin had yet to play at this point due to injury. Rioli's skills were so good that I formed the opinion that Cotchin is going to struggle to be as good as this. Rioli looks like a potential matchwinner and a player who could be the difference between the hawks being runners up and the premier.
Kruezer has been ok. In fact he virtually won Carlton a game off his own boot a few weeks back. He is certainly where you would want him to be (or beyond) developmentally for a number one pick. He was the obvious choice for Carltank who have gone for Gibbs, Murphy, Judd etc as on ballers of recent times. Kruezer has undeniable skills.
To this point I had only seen hightlights of Cotchin.
Having watched his first four games, I am more than impressed. I would now take him number one for this Richmond side, and we do lack tall timber a little like Carlton.
I can now see why you say what you said. (That Cotchin was the pick of the bunch.) That said, Carlton did the correct thing by choosing Kruezer, and I am very glad they did. The comparison I made with Rioli faded away with the very first few possesions he had. You could just tell that Cotchin is a special talent, with as someone else described, rare skills.
Like all others however, there is a lot of hard work to be done if he is going to be consistenly one of the best in the business.
trashos mob
19 Jun 2008, 20:31
Just curious, what makes you say that about Masten?
he doesnt like richmond?
Lynch takes a mark
19 Jun 2008, 22:33
Masten will be better then Cotchin in 5 years time...
Just curious, what makes you say that about Masten?
If you listen to the reasoning from Weaver pre draft
something along the lines of
"If you had the choice between Daniel Kerr & Nathan G. Brown who would you take ? "
Tommyneu
19 Jun 2008, 22:41
So whats the latest on Rich. Apparently there were some highlights of him on footy classified that i'm shattered I missed. Apparently he's very quick with a deadly left boot. Can't wait to see this kid and Nat when they play at the dome.
Freomaniac
19 Jun 2008, 23:14
Hmm What should freo get for their best pick? Im just curious thats all. We obviously need young fast midfielders and a Full back.
Ive heard all the hype on Nanitaui and Rich...hmmm. to be honest I rather Get Nanitaui over rich only because of his versatility. Still I still will be happy if we get Darren Rich
mitchzz
20 Jun 2008, 00:10
Hmm What should freo get for their best pick? Im just curious thats all. We obviously need young fast midfielders and a Full back.
Ive heard all the hype on Nanitaui and Rich...hmmm. to be honest I rather Get Nanitaui over rich only because of his versatility. Still I still will be happy if we get Darren Rich
You can get Darren and we'll get Daniel.
TheBigUnit
20 Jun 2008, 00:11
So whats the latest on Rich. Apparently there were some highlights of him on footy classified that i'm shattered I missed. Apparently he's very quick with a deadly left boot. Can't wait to see this kid and Nat when they play at the dome.
Around the 0.45 mark:
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-au&brand=ninemsn&tab=m2399&from=39&vid=318909CA-357D-4476-9BD5-BAB573102CC8&playlist=videoByTag:mk:en-AU:vs:0:tag:AUsport_AUAFL:ns:MSNVideo_Top_Cat:ps:10:sd:-1:ind:1:ff:8A
mitchzz
20 Jun 2008, 00:15
Around the 0.45 mark:
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-au&brand=ninemsn&tab=m2399&from=39&vid=318909CA-357D-4476-9BD5-BAB573102CC8&playlist=videoByTag:mk:en-AU:vs:0:tag:AUsport_AUAFL:ns:MSNVideo_Top_Cat:ps:10:sd:-1:ind:1:ff:8A
Thanks. Was just about to post a link too, he looks great overhead and looks to have amazing pace.
pinkus maximus
20 Jun 2008, 02:16
Hmm What should freo get for their best pick? Im just curious thats all. We obviously need young fast midfielders and a Full back.
Ive heard all the hype on Nanitaui and Rich...hmmm. to be honest I rather Get Nanitaui over rich only because of his versatility. Still I still will be happy if we get Darren Rich
i dont think we will get a choice of either
imo we will finish 12/13th so we may get a crack at yarran or one of the vic boys like suban
TheGeneral
20 Jun 2008, 02:22
i dont think we will get a choice of either
imo we will finish 12/13th so we may get a crack at yarran or one of the vic boys like suban
What's stopping the Dockers going for a KPP like Trengove, Watts or Hurley?
pinkus maximus
20 Jun 2008, 02:35
What's stopping the Dockers going for a KPP like Trengove, Watts or Hurley?
it's not out of the question, but our midfiled is in serious need of a rebuild
palmer and ibbotson are class, then you have hinkley who is coming through, but that's basically it
haselby is an underrated player, but he has a long injury history and wont be around much longer. headland, carr, schammer, crowley and peake make up the rest and they are not good enough to be "core" midfield players
BomberJK
20 Jun 2008, 21:04
Every thread is about bloody cotchin, I think he is overrated massively on these BF boards.
I'm no Richmond fan, but Cotchin dead-set looks like a clone of Ablett Jnr, and given his relentless brilliance for 1 1/2 seasons then that's high praise. His ability in his first few games to swerve and move sideways to avoid trouble, plus his disposal skills on both sides, sets him apart as an enormous young talent. Hencde, the Ablett comparo.
Believe the hype - if Cotchin has remains injury free and maintains the right attitude, he could be a superstar within 3-4 years.
But back to the topic - I think Rich will go 1 or 2, depending on who the Dees take with pick 1 - the Richter or SuperNat.
It was unclear who the better talent was between Kruiser and Cotchin. From what I read it seems like it was a 50 - 50 split over who teams would have taken at 1.
I saw Cotchins first game..... I swear I heard Scarlett yelling out to Cotchin that he was no Kruiser. Cotchin told him not to argue and Scarlo was left red in the face.
it's not out of the question, but our midfiled is in serious need of a rebuild
palmer and ibbotson are class, then you have hinkley who is coming through, but that's basically it
haselby is an underrated player, but he has a long injury history and wont be around much longer. headland, carr, schammer, crowley and peake make up the rest and they are not good enough to be "core" midfield players
Daniel Rich is going to be an awesome player, but he wont fall to pick three, and for some reason I'd rather freo manufactured two first round picks and got two of Hartlett, Swift and Walters.
markm106
21 Jun 2008, 13:09
if melbourne get warnock, then they will get watts. If we finish 15th, we will have a decision out of nick nat and rich. Naitanui is a far more risky bet as he could either be an absolute superstar or a disappointment (see j.brennan). Rich on the other hand is an easy bet, as he is more ready for afl and is more refined. We probably need rich more. If Naitanui can prove he can play as a mid, not just as a ruckman then i think we should get him. Naitanui being mentored by dean cox would be a scary proposition. Naitanui has the pace and agility of a small mid, bone crushing tackling, and can leap over buildings, meaning he has the potential to play at other KP positions. If Naitanui can work on and improve his skills, then we should take him
Don't think Melbourne will show a great deal of interest in Warnock. Unless they can get a good deal. They will take nat for sure. If they werent going to take nat then rich for sure.
It is a general consesus that WCE will pick up Nicholas Naitanui, I have been personally been thinking about this, and to me it seems that they will go for a midfielder before the big NicNat, I say this as they have done ok with big cox as the number one ruckmen, and have big Q as the back up, has Seaby been delisted, because if so, then they will be taking a ruckmen somewhere in the draft, I am having a feeling, especially after the WC story about them rating WA's Stephen Hill very highly more and more life, as they already have ball winners in Daniel Kerr, Matt Priddis and have a young on ball brigade of Chris Masten, Sam Butler, Matt Rosa, Jamie Mcnamara, and Brad Ebert, I am getting a feeling that they may take Hill, as he would add the class that the Eagles are really missing, ala the Judd days gone by, does any one else think this.
Am just throwing the idea out their!!
Dyslexic Emo
29 Oct 2008, 17:00
Thread merged with this one whiched caused comment to no llonger make sense.
Uggh. Don't mean to be rude but that is just an awful post, exspecially as a topic starter. The title is "Daniel Rich" and you never even mention him once. If you took a bit of time to look around the WCE board you would find several existing threads on the issue. And also, the articles on Hill link Freo to Hill.
Cox has about 4 more seasons at his current level before he starts tapering off, so drafting a ruckman in 4 years won't help as they usually take about 4 seasons to mature. A responsible club will draft not only for today's needs, but tomorrow's as well, hence the rationale for drafting NicNat. Taking the best player available usually works out best in drafts anyway.
Headless
29 Oct 2008, 17:10
It is a general consesus that WCE will pick up Nicholas Naitanui, I have been personally been thinking about this, and to me it seems that they will go for a midfielder before the big NicNat, I say this as they have done ok with big cox as the number one ruckmen, and have big Q as the back up, has Seaby been delisted, because if so, then they will be taking a ruckmen somewhere in the draft, I am having a feeling, especially after the WC story about them rating WA's Stephen Hill very highly more and more life, as they already have ball winners in Daniel Kerr, Matt Priddis and have a young on ball brigade of Chris Masten, Sam Butler, Matt Rosa, Jamie Mcnamara, and Brad Ebert, I am getting a feeling that they may take Hill, as he would add the class that the Eagles are really missing, ala the Judd days gone by, does any one else think this.
Am just throwing the idea out their!!
I stopped reading after the first sentence.
Wait, that was the whole post. :eek:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_stop
Macca19
29 Oct 2008, 23:40
Not sold on Rich at all.
Ryder Is God
29 Oct 2008, 23:53
Not sold on Rich at all.
Why not?
It is a general consesus that WCE will pick up Nicholas Naitanui, I have been personally been thinking about this, and to me it seems that they will go for a midfielder before the big NicNat, I say this as they have done ok with big cox as the number one ruckmen, and have big Q as the back up, has Seaby been delisted, because if so, then they will be taking a ruckmen somewhere in the draft, I am having a feeling, especially after the WC story about them rating WA's Stephen Hill very highly more and more life, as they already have ball winners in Daniel Kerr, Matt Priddis and have a young on ball brigade of Chris Masten, Sam Butler, Matt Rosa, Jamie Mcnamara, and Brad Ebert, I am getting a feeling that they may take Hill, as he would add the class that the Eagles are really missing, ala the Judd days gone by, does any one else think this.
Am just throwing the idea out their!!
There are two things which in my mind makes Nat the goer at #2. Firstly, he's grown, so now you'd be reasonably confident at a minimum you'll get a very mobile ruckmen who will get first hands on the ball at contests. Obviously you could get a lot more than that. And secondly, there are enough top rated mids that WCE could be pretty confident of getting two good ones at #18 and #20. Whereas not so much for rucks.
I mean, these guys have all been talked about as pretty damn good: Rich, Hartlett, Ziebell, Sidebottom, Yarran, Blease, Walters, Hill, Swift, O'Keefe, Suban, Robinson and Pearce. Given you'd expect Watts, Hurley, Natanui, Vickery and a couple of McKernan, Trengove, Johnson, Schoenmakers, Cornelius to go top 20 as well, WCE should have a lot of good midfield options later on.
Macca19
30 Oct 2008, 08:41
Why not?
Dunno, just a feeling. The couple times ive seen him hes looked lazy and struggled to find the ball. Hes got great skills and a ridiculously good leg on him, but im just not sure he'll be the unquestionable superstar a lot of people expect he'll become.
yeah maybe, i was just throwing the idea out theire, although looking at the arguments that the Ealges will have enough to choose from with picks 18 and 20 is a good argument, and i suppose the delisting of young James Thomson was writing on the wall, that the Eagles will take big NicNat.
Ok thanks guys.
Cheers.
BadSeed
30 Oct 2008, 14:43
yeah maybe, i was just throwing the idea out theire, although looking at the arguments that the Ealges will have enough to choose from with picks 18 and 20 is a good argument, and i suppose the delisting of young James Thomson was writing on the wall, that the Eagles will take big NicNat.
Ok thanks guys.
Cheers.
James Thomson was a backmen/utility.. not a ruckman? How do you base his delisting on NicNat....
Dave The Man
30 Oct 2008, 15:03
I want to know how good is this kid...
Pick 3 to Freo
bodazoka
30 Oct 2008, 16:56
Pick 3 to Freo
Agreed
Black Ball
30 Oct 2008, 17:00
James Thomson was a backmen/utility.. not a ruckman? ....
Plus he was a soft **** and couldn't play, poor choice by West Coast.