View Full Version : Underestimating Masten
r dub 19
16 Jun 2008, 18:48
I think people are seriously jumping the gun when it comes to this bloke. He didn't have a full pre season and is still carrying an injury. When Masten is playing well (like on friday night) he seems to be taken off or left in the forward line. Wait till he has a full pre season under him. So far this year his average stats are:
15.1 disposals ( 4.7 contested)
4.3 marks
4.5 tackles
2.2 inside 50s
2.1 redbound 50s
1.4 clearnces
70% game time
Compare this to the 4 best midfielders of this season in their first year
Gary ablett Adam cooney Simon Black scott thompson
8.3 disposals 11.8 disposals 12.2 disposals 8.7 disposals
1.1 marks 2.3 marks 3.1 marks 2.1 marks
2.1 tackles 1.6 tackles 1.2 tackles 0.9 tackles
wirra44
16 Jun 2008, 18:55
wow his stats compared to gary ablett jnr first year stats are awesome.on friday his 1st half was awesome but then dropped off a little bit in the 2nd half but iam very impressed with this guy. He's gonna be a gun i wonder what Cuz and juddy's 1st year average was?
its pretty silly comparing stats with players in different years.
not sure why people would be at all concerned with the way masten is going, getting the amount of games he has been in his first season is an accomplishment in its own and he's shown that he can have an impact at the highest level.
like you said, wait til he has a full preseason and gets a lot bigger before we judge how good/bad he's going to be.
r dub 19
16 Jun 2008, 19:03
wow his stats compared to gary ablett jnr first year stats are awesome.on friday his 1st half was awesome but then dropped off a little bit in the 2nd half but iam very impressed with this guy. He's gonna be a gun i wonder what Cuz and juddy's 1st year average was?
cousins judd Kerr
13.8 disposals 15.0 disposals 15.6 disposals
3.1 marks 2.4 marks 2.0 marks
1.2 tackles 2.9 tackles 3.5 tackles
wirra44
16 Jun 2008, 19:09
cousins judd Kerr
13.8 disposals 15.0 disposals 15.6 disposals
3.1 marks 2.4 marks 2.0 marks
1.2 tackles 2.9 tackles 3.5 tackles
cheers:thumbsu:
so that means masten is better than cousins and judd!!!!
wirra44
16 Jun 2008, 19:19
so that means masten is better than cousins and judd!!!!
we wish he will be lol:D
Scotland
16 Jun 2008, 19:25
As usual, stats mean 2/3 of ____ all on their own.
Does Masten burst through packs at full tilt and kick goals like Cooney? Does he have the same freakish balance and vision of Ablett?
If you have to compare his first year stats to another first year player, then compare him to Simon Black, or maybe James Bartel, who are similar types. Even then, the stats don't take into consideration the era they debuted in or the respective teammates they had.
Same goes for Masten vs Palmer comparisons. Palmer's going well, good on him, and is getting more of the ball than Masten. He's also laying half as many tackles. The two play different roles, and for mine Palmer is playing his better to this point in time. I reckon Masten will be alright, but the notion of wanting to call that he will be a superstar or a dud based on 9 games is ridiculous.
Masten_Magic
16 Jun 2008, 19:35
people should just give the guy a chance.
he is a skinny little feller who needs a few presons
he WILL be loyal to our club and possibly a future captain
Black Thunder
16 Jun 2008, 19:42
comparing touches isn't the greatest example because in today's game there are a lot more possessions around the ground. i think there are 700 a game now, as opposed to about 620 10 years ago... and im pretty sure this figure shot up very quickly around about 2005-2006.
but Masten is going along just fine... he's a young skinny kid who's gonna take a year or two to develop fully but for the time being he's not doing anything wrong and given most consider him already in our strongest 22 thats a great achievement for a first year player.
mitchzz
16 Jun 2008, 19:45
people should just give the guy a chance.
he is a skinny little feller who needs a few presons
he WILL be loyal to our club and possibly a future captain
That's basically what the thread is about.... and I have no doubt in predicting he'll be our next captain.
That's basically what the thread is about.... and I have no doubt in predicting he'll be our next captain.
i do. not our "next" captain.
there are others who deserve to be in line before him.
For mine, Cox sooner then later.. and Waters, if he can actually play 22 games without getting suspended for half of them he could be a contender in a year or three.
Crimson King
16 Jun 2008, 20:24
Kerr, Masten and Pick 2 ;) will be leading our midfield in couple of years time with Ebert, Hurn and Scooter helping them out.
I am happy.:thumbsu:
Geez another Masten thread.
The kids a gun, we know it.
Lets enjoy the rest of the season shall we?
Ebert is very good too.
Selwood keeps getting knocked the ____ out.
Good times.
i dont think people are willing to give Masten any time to prove himself, WE WANT RESULTS NOW!!
Mastablingbling
16 Jun 2008, 20:42
Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten Masten
Crimson King
16 Jun 2008, 20:46
i dont think people are willing to give Masten any time to prove himself, WE WANT RESULTS NOW!!
:eek:
A 18 yo kid comes in and shows probably the cleaniest hands + extracting skills since some bald prick and he cant escape criticism? :confused:
On another note, he seems to be developing some nice guns.:cool: He may not have the power through his hips/abdomen/thighs, but his guns are coming along nicely.:D
Lynch takes a mark
16 Jun 2008, 21:04
I compare him to a harder, more inside version of Butler
I don't expect anything from the 2007 mob for another 3 years, 3 of them are inside mids and I don't remember many that had a serious impact until they were 22+
Got to be patient with them, goes for pretty much every draftee
who would have thought Bartel would win a Brownlow before Hodge/Ablett/Ball/Dal Santo ?
Or that Ablett would ascend to superstar status ?
Most would have called Hodge/Ablett/Bartel good solid players in the first 3 years but nothing that special - now look at them after 7 years and they are 3 of the dominant players in the game.
got to be patient
Mastablingbling
16 Jun 2008, 21:09
Very hard to ____ up a #3 draft pick by the way :P
Especially when you are West Coast :thumbsu:
bzparkes
16 Jun 2008, 21:13
Very hard to ____ up a #3 draft pick by the way :P
Especially when you are West Coast :thumbsu:
Yeah I agree with you. If you're Freo or Richmond, it's a different mattter :p
mitchzz
16 Jun 2008, 22:02
He excites me every time he goes near the ball.
:eek:
A 18 yo kid comes in and shows probably the cleaniest hands + extracting skills since some bald prick and he cant escape criticism? :confused:
On another note, he seems to be developing some nice guns.:cool: He may not have the power through his hips/abdomen/thighs, but his guns are coming along nicely.:D
unfortily patience isnt one of my strong suits
kane249
16 Jun 2008, 22:13
i do. not our "next" captain.
there are others who deserve to be in line before him.
For mine, Cox sooner then later.. and Waters, if he can actually play 22 games without getting suspended for half of them he could be a contender in a year or three.
Adam Selwood is also a strong candidate
greennick
16 Jun 2008, 22:14
Very hard to ____ up a #3 draft pick by the way :P
Especially when you are West Coast :thumbsu:
A #4 on the other hand...
kane249
16 Jun 2008, 22:25
A #4 on the other hand...
Or a certain #6 draft pick we got..
http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos/2004/10/01/1_.jpg
wce4premiership
16 Jun 2008, 22:30
Ablett played up forward more.
eagles rule
16 Jun 2008, 23:52
Overestimating-Underestimating Masten
Overestimating-Underestimating Masten
Overestimating-Underestimating Masten
Judge him in 3 yrs time.
Crimson King
16 Jun 2008, 23:56
Close this thread down, before Gunnar finds out we are comparing young Masten with some stars!:cool:
Strider83
16 Jun 2008, 23:58
I'm still undecided as to whether I should get a 38 on my footy jumper, or a 13. Jones is easily my favourite Eagle at the moment but Master is right up there :p
Masten2McKinley
17 Jun 2008, 00:44
to average 15 touches in your first year is asume, thats is almost double of Gazza Ablett, incredible
greennick
17 Jun 2008, 01:30
I'm still undecided as to whether I should get a 38 on my footy jumper, or a 13. Jones is easily my favourite Eagle at the moment but Master is right up there :p
Masten will probably have a different number next year or at least soon.
Eagle Ant
17 Jun 2008, 05:06
Kerr, Masten and Pick 2 ;) will be leading our midfield in couple of years time with Ebert, Hurn and Scooter helping them out.
I am happy.:thumbsu:
CK what about Priddis, Butler, JMac, Rosa and The Harrow Thunderbolt.
Or did they just slip your mind. :D
Masten2McKinley
17 Jun 2008, 12:47
CK what about Priddis, Butler, JMac, Rosa and The Harrow Thunderbolt.
Or did they just slip your mind. :D
who could u forget them, Rosa i rekon will be trade bait
flyinghi64
17 Jun 2008, 13:55
Most of his disposals are kicks as well. Something we need in a midfielder, penetrating kicks at that.
He will be good for us indeed. Chuck on 5-7kg of muscle and 20-30games experience and we have a serious midfielder:thumbsu:. We didn't pick him up at no.3 for nothing.;)
Most of his disposals are kicks as well. Something we need in a midfielder, penetrating kicks at that.
He will be good for us indeed. Chuck on 5-7kg of muscle and 20-30games experience and we have a serious midfielder:thumbsu:. We didn't pick him up at no.3 for nothing.;)
Its funny with his kicks.
In Games, i've noticed he's getting an equal amount of 'Shocking kick''s as he is 'Now thats a beautiful kick'...
Some of his kicks are quite the charmers. :cool:
Crimson King
17 Jun 2008, 16:07
CK what about Priddis, Butler, JMac, Rosa and The Harrow Thunderbolt.
Or did they just slip your mind. :D
Oh shit, I did too! :eek:
Look at the depth of that midfield! :D:cool:
bzparkes
17 Jun 2008, 16:11
Masten will probably have a different number next year or at least soon.
Don't think so. Didn't he request 13?
Can see Masten in #3 myself. 2011 of course.
Was he a Josh Wooden fan? :)
mitchzz
17 Jun 2008, 19:53
Don't think so. Didn't he request 13?
From what I've read he wanted 3, but he based his game on Ben Cousins' so you never know.
Goldfish
17 Jun 2008, 20:16
I heard he wanted number 9, Cuz was his boyhood idol etc but the club didn't want to put that pressure on him. Hope he gets whatever number he wants. Would love to see the '9' running around again though...
Strider83
17 Jun 2008, 20:37
I don't actually think 13 is that bad! But 9 would be awesome, it would make him even more proud I think. And like someone else said, 2 would be good for Lecras
mitchzz
17 Jun 2008, 22:57
I want Masten in the 9!
SOSBenny
18 Jun 2008, 00:55
Give him a full pre season, then lets see what he can do!
A full pre season to a footy player is like viagra to a 70 year old! Without it, they're performance on the field/in bed is going to suffer, refer to Daniel Kerr and his torn hammy six weeks out!
Oh yeh, lots of red meat and some long weight sessions over summer wont hurt the kid either! ;):thumbsu:
Paitence...
wce4premiership
18 Jun 2008, 19:52
He better never have that number 9 jumper.
I would hate to see that.
He better never have that number 9 jumper.
I would hate to see that.
Get over it. :thumbsu:
Someone else will eventually wear the #9.
Someone with a half a brain and can control his urges no less.
wce4premiership
18 Jun 2008, 20:32
The number 9 should be retired.
Don't want masten running around in it.
He better never have that number 9 jumper.
I would hate to see that.
Like the big man said, time to move on.
Personally I would like to see 9 out there because it would be a reminder of the good to truly great moments of the former owner. Like I would like to see 3 out there.
The number 9 should be retired.
Don't want masten running around in it.
The club would never retire the number 9 based on a player disrespecting the club - numbers are retired out of respect for a player.
We need to give it to masten because he is the future and we have moved on (if he wants it that is)
Masten_Magic
18 Jun 2008, 21:05
keep him at number 13!
i already have it signed on my jumper!
if he was to change i would get a new one!
Nishmann
18 Jun 2008, 21:09
The club would never retire the number 9 based on a player disrespecting the club - numbers are retired out of respect for a player.
We need to give it to masten because he is the future and we have moved on (if he wants it that is)
Someone mentioned on another thread in BF forums that they have a jumper with 13 on it and they got Masten to sign the jumper and asked him if he would ever change and he said and i quote "No way, its my lucky number"
I honestly believe Cuzzy did more good for the club than he did bad...there are so many afl players like him he was just stupid enough to get caught. He is a champion of the West Coast Eagles and any young player should consider it an honour to wear his number.
Nishmann
18 Jun 2008, 21:10
keep him at number 13!
i already have it signed on my jumper!
if he was to change i would get a new one!
And apparently that person was you. Using your info as a source :thumbsu:
keep him at number 13!
i already have it signed on my jumper!
if he was to change i would get a new one!
If he swapped to 9, the signed 13 could be worth more in a set in a few years:D
wce4premiership
18 Jun 2008, 21:43
This isn't about moving on.
I don't think a young player should get number 9 until he's proven himself a bit more.
mitchzz
18 Jun 2008, 22:56
This isn't about moving on.
I don't think a young player should get number 9 until he's proven himself a bit more.
I think he's proven enough as a first year player to show he'll be a great servant.
Strider83
19 Jun 2008, 00:27
I actually don't mind number 13. It's a lucky number in some cultures. I reckon he should stick to it, but if they offer him number 9 I'm sure he won't turn it down!
Speaking of #13 I bumped into ol Josh Wooden today.
His working hard atm abit of a tradey, seems to be doing okay.
Has gone very grey.
Good times.
#3 for Masten imo.